Manchester United Banter Archive July 10 2015

 

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10 Jul 2015 22:43:19
Imagine If the Schweinsteiger rumour is true. that would be him, deepay and darmien done. If we could possibly finalise Schneiderlin and Otemandi by midweek to join the tour.
That would be a very good window so far. Would allow us to spend the next 6 weeks chasing a.new striker and/or one big marquee signing that we have been mooting recently.

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11 Jul 2015 02:02:17
With Van Gaal in charge he will no doubt get the best out of him with the big hoofs up to Fellaini and the game will just bypass the midfield, pointless signing really.

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10 Jul 2015 21:23:17
BILD are reporting Schweinsteiger has signed. I realise they're a tabloid also but instead of speculating we want to sign him they claim it's done??

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10 Jul 2015 22:00:51
Would love it. as well as Schneiderlin but can't see it. Certainly not that soon.

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10 Jul 2015 21:26:45
12m apparently, great signing.

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11 Jul 2015 01:23:43
Great signing if true will give us lots of experience in the middle.

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10 Jul 2015 21:22:13
Bild reporting schweinsteiger has signed and wish him luck

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10 Jul 2015 21:21:41
Bild report schweinsteiger joined

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10 Jul 2015 21:51:59
I hope it's both him and schneiderlin we get because if it's one or the other then we've made a massive mistake schneiderlin is what we need badly I would go as far to say if we got him we would hv a great chance of winning the league he's that good don't get me wrong schweinsteiger good but he's not a defensive midfielder he's more box to box if we get both wow that would be something let's hope LVG thinking the same

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10 Jul 2015 22:53:54
Nach, BS has adapted him game to be similar to Carrick and MS is anything but a defensive midfielder.

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10 Jul 2015 23:11:04
Schneiderlin is a box to box midfielder. wanyama plays the dm role at southampton. just saying

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11 Jul 2015 00:03:13
I just think we need both because getting schweinsteiger is good for a cpl of years coinciding wae LVG stepping down leaving the problem to the next manager whereas if we get Schneiderlin it pretty much sorts us for the next 8-10 years it makes sense
Let's hope LVGs on the same wavelength as us fans

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11 Jul 2015 00:25:24
On the national team, he plays as a defensive midfielder. Just saying.

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10 Jul 2015 20:27:16
So all things quiet on the Ramos front. No surprise there but no news on either Otamendi or Schneiderlin either? So much for getting everyone in pre tour :(

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10 Jul 2015 19:22:59
Right, I don't want anyone getting too excited, but I think we are going to win the Champions League next season. What reason do you have for this I hear you cry. Well, in 1999 I went on the last holiday with my family before University, destination Florida. In 2008 I got married and went on honeymoon, destination Florida. Now, yesterday I booked our first foreign holiday, since my daughter was born 4 years ago, for summer 2016, destination Florida. Coincidence? I think not. Milan here we come!

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10 Jul 2015 20:11:57
I don't think anyone can argue with this. I'm so happy. And my friend all your future holidays are going to be spent in Florida which of course will be funded by us fans.

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10 Jul 2015 21:59:52
Now this is the sort of factual, evidence based reasoning that I love to see on here :)

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10 Jul 2015 21:42:53
I'm down for chipping in a fiver every year. Just let me know guys.

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10 Jul 2015 22:09:38
Im going to put a wad of cash on it Brendan so if your wrong i'm going to call you bad names.
:-)

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10 Jul 2015 22:38:02
Cheers guys! You wouldn't be the first Herbie :-)

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10 Jul 2015 18:54:14
With new signings coming in and potential new signings who do you think will be the first 11 next season? Will all of our new signings go into the first team? I think but mainly hope we'll finish the summer with depay, darmian, schneiderlin, otamendi and a forward like muller. It's a dream summer but not too unrealistic.
I think if these come in we'll play 433 with valdes in net. Darmian, smalling, otamendi, shaw in defence. Schneiderlin, Herrera and mata/carrick in midfield. The front 3 will mainly be depay/di Maria, Rooney and muller(or other player to come in)

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10 Jul 2015 19:34:09
Would b a great summer although i hope and expect Schweinsteiger to sign. Same starting XI except Schweinsteiger at number 6 Herrera at 8 and Mata at 10

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10 Jul 2015 19:55:01
keep dreaming mate#!

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10 Jul 2015 22:54:37
Ahem cough cough looks like schweni signed

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10 Jul 2015 16:38:30
Hi Ed's - I am a regular contributor to the site as you may know. Several people ask about a fantasy football league each year and I have been part of one for the past 4/5 years, I can vouch for the credibility of it. I didn't want to post on the website without your permission first, this is what I want to post, do you mind?

"I am part of a dream team league, ran by a chap called Andy. I have done this for the past 4+years and it works a treat. You pay £50 upfront and each month there is a prize for manager of the month, the remaining money goes into a pot for the top 3 managers of the year - all registration fees are redistributed to winning managers. I have personally won a few managers of the month and have been paid appropriately. This is just a group of guys coming together and nothing formal/company orchestrated, so if you want to join the league the code is 90970-25762 (it is the Fantasy Premier League). Andy will provide you with his acct details if you join and over recent seasons we have had over 50 people in the league – it was primarily a group of friends but I have asked him if he would mind me opening it up to my “banter buddies” and he has no problem so long as it causes him no issues"

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{Ed002's Note - Sure, no problem.}

10 Jul 2015 16:46:21
Thanks Ed, if anyone has any questions let me know. I can provide you with Andy's direct email but I have no idea how many people are going to take this up (or what timewasters are lurking), I hope this appeals to a few of you.

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10 Jul 2015 16:48:32
Ok if I join matey?

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10 Jul 2015 16:53:15
Sure thing Chris, any of the regulars (whatever their views haha).

I automatically get registered now, so if there is any password etc needed or if you need an email let me know. Hopefully it will be a case of just needing his email once you join and I can put that on the league forum to make the payment. I'll do that now.

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10 Jul 2015 16:17:02
I just get the feeling that Adidas have got more to do with the lack of Stella signings than first meets the eye. If they are coming up with the money they don't want them to be photographed wearing another brand. I expect big things when we change strips

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10 Jul 2015 16:38:25
Its something to think about yes. But why would they ruin pre season and getting used to each other for that?
Last season everyone saw what happened with no real pre season with regards to signings. Look at the first game against swansea a few of them either got shipped out or didn't play much part all season.

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10 Jul 2015 16:42:50
Yeah a few of us have been saying this over the past few weeks. 1st of August apparently is when it all changes, hardly a good pre-season and not in the interests of Adidas or us. How many people do they think are bothered about these press conferences?!

How ill-informed is LVG if this is the case as well, I'd be going nuts if I were him.

Have them wearing non-descript tops for the conferences if it's that important, they will be wearing Adidas every game they play which is when people watch and the shirts people will buy. Too much credence given to this whole malarkey, pathetic Diva type attitude ruining the game and wrecking our pre-season.

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10 Jul 2015 17:09:55
If that was the case we wouldn't have announced depay or potentially announce darmian, I don't think it matters whatsoever. that's almost like saying now that you've signed for UTD you can only wear adidas boots while you play here.

I'm sure adidas were well aware that signing on August 1st could mean potential signings might wear the Nike gear.

I'd be more disappointed with whoever thought it was a good idea to let nikes deal run till August 1st.

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10 Jul 2015 17:23:12
If LVG demanded and got changes to our American tour I hardly see him standing for something like this

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10 Jul 2015 18:36:03
Maybe it was a compromise Bilko!
Can't see us waiting on purpose though.

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10 Jul 2015 19:02:41
Could be Brendan but hard to see him compromising over something like that .

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10 Jul 2015 19:57:43
Do Stella signings have to come from Belgium ?

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10 Jul 2015 20:03:52
Stella signings is that Stella Artois or Stella Cox or Stella McCartney???

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10 Jul 2015 20:40:24
It would seem strange but I guess when your pumping in £700 million u may have a few demands. I'd imagine if that was the case they would just want the stellar signing done after 1st of August

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10 Jul 2015 20:40:52
Will you be buying a new strip Kloot? I thought you hated the replica shirts?

Also I don't buy into this rumour that Adidas don't want us to to sign a player as they won't be displayed in their kit if they sign now. Surely the club would rather ensure they have a signing rather than wait 3 weeks and potentially lose out on them? For example if 2 or 3 teams are in for a player and we want to wait 3 weeks because of a kit deal, it's unlikely we'd sign that player IMO because they'd say clearly you aren't that desperate to sign me?

Also aren't we playing in the USA in our kit from last season? Our whole squad will be wearing that if we are. In that case surely there's more publicity showing our old kit because we have 4 games being covered as well as thousands of fans watching us than the publicity for a player such as Schneiderlin being signed?

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11 Jul 2015 05:27:41
I think it's hilarious that people actually believe we're waiting to change strips to unveil players when we just today revealed Memphis Depay holding the current Nike kit.

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10 Jul 2015 15:19:42
The boss just confirmed the signing of Darmian, but nothing was mentioned about other potential signings.

I doubt we will see anyone else sign before Monday. I was hoping we would get Morgan Schneiderlin in before the tour, but it doesn't look like it is going to happen now.

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10 Jul 2015 15:38:06
Some rumours that Schneiderlin will have a medical this weekend, whether this happens or not who knows.

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10 Jul 2015 15:40:54
I hope so Fresh.

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10 Jul 2015 15:52:01
i see the manager has come out and said the buying and selling process finishes on the 31st august? technically he is correct but i taught he wanted the buying process of man utd finished early and before the summer tour?

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10 Jul 2015 16:11:00
there some news tat Chelsea and psg r intersted in otamendi . hope its not true

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10 Jul 2015 16:15:41
Jock - Ignore the fool, he says one thing then says another. He could say he really fancies a Chinese for dinner, then someone give him potato's, he says yes perfect as they grow Potato's in China.

I'd rather listen to Bjork on repeat than this waste of time.

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10 Jul 2015 16:16:08
He did jock, but then he remembered that Ed Woodward is in charge of transfers

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10 Jul 2015 16:33:53
Beast. Mr. Angry today. Haha. I think lvg does not want to show his hand and he said the window closes on 31st of August. That's all!!

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10 Jul 2015 17:06:50
Hah, yeah I just went with the Mrs to a "Hooters" (how cool is she, I told her they do the best steak sandwich's), and the waitress gave me some lip about how I should tip 20%, she got 5% and a beast glare.

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10 Jul 2015 17:08:24
Managers always have and always will say one thing then do another. Saf was the king if it. Take everything they say with a pinch of salt and it may result in getting less annoyed, lol.

The club are keeping very tight lipped on transfers this summer which is a good thing, so I wouldn't much from what the manager says about transfers during press conferences.

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10 Jul 2015 18:03:24
Ha you lucky sod beast we have to cross the road when there's a hooters about 😭

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10 Jul 2015 19:48:44
Good on you Beast. Give them he'll! !

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10 Jul 2015 15:00:18
Anyone think we might here something surprising in the press conference today. development on transfers?

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10 Jul 2015 15:17:48
Only that Darmaian is on his way for a medical

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10 Jul 2015 15:33:01
Well that will be a no. Can't believe this drama over Schneiderlin. He's worth their valuation can play in our league and wants to come yet we are dragging it out. ed needs to forget this Ramos and Bastian rubbish and get obtainable players signed whilst they are available. Looks like we will be going into the season with little preparations againstnd we all know how well we did last season with those preparation.

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10 Jul 2015 15:45:03
Jaime, I think you are being a little silly there mate. We have a strong squad they will be better by the start of the season. We have added two very good players to that squad who will have an instant impact. Yes, I would love to get the Schneiderlin deal done, but if it doesn't happen, I still think we have enough to mount a serious challenge next season. I mean, I would personally be happy with Herrera, Carrick and Mata in a midfield three.

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10 Jul 2015 16:13:07
And what happens if any of those three get injured especially Carrick get real we NEED two new midfielders but schneiderlin is an absolute must and then go after schweinsteiger and otamendi would like a striker but by the sounds of LVG at press conference d think he's planning on using depay and Wilson as strikers as back up to Rooney would definitely rather try that than buy kane

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10 Jul 2015 16:13:57
Come off the stage Sam, if anyone is being silly here it's the guy who thinks we have enough in a 34 year old who won't be able to play every week, Herrera, and a player who the manger sees as a right winger rather than central mid. More likely our most regular midfield will be Blind, Herrera and Fellaini, not exactly awe inspiring.

If we don't sign a top quality midfield it will be a disaster. At present we have Carrick, Fellaini, Herrera and Blind as recognised cm and dm players. If you think that that's sufficient depth to challenge for a title then you're off in la la land.

With our current squad we will be lucky to hang onto fourth place,


Oh wait, I forgot that WE ARE MANCHESTER UNITED = automatic title challengers

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10 Jul 2015 16:17:05
No depth there though Sam, we need more quality players in to rotate.

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10 Jul 2015 16:30:01
I kind of agree with jaimej79.

Sam, do you not remember how poor our midfield performed last season when ever Carrick got injured? I agree that yes our new signings will improve us massively but we also need to purchase someone who can fill the void in the middle of the park if/when Carrick gets injured.

Just my two pence added.

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10 Jul 2015 16:55:41
Where has it become fact that Morgan wants a move to Utd??

I understand he is less than keen and would prefer a move elsewhere. Why would he want to be mopping up (occasionally) for a poor back 4 without De Gea behind them?? That's a hiding to nothing.

Interview from within Saints this pm states any club purchasing Morgan will pay Saints valuation otherwise he will stay at the club. Morgan is aware of this. And I have suggested the media valuation that has gone £20m/£25m/£27m is speculation and is still some way from Saints actual valuation, so don't get too excited just yet.

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10 Jul 2015 17:46:46
Danny, you have your opinion and I have mine; and I don't think it is as dire a situation as you and a few other posters would have us believe.
I would much rather the club signed a top CM player, but if it doesn't happen, I am not going to mentally implode like some of you lot and declare it a disaster.

We have signed two players already. Both will be excellent additions IMO. Add to that some of the young talent we have waiting in the wings and a squad of players who will be better prepared for the season ahead, and I can only see positive things ahead next season.

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10 Jul 2015 17:50:32
Saint, I am sure some enjoy your input.

Seriously though,you have become a bit of a feeder club of late. That must be grating for you?

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10 Jul 2015 17:57:44
I agree Andy; but hypothetically speaking, the manager might want to blood a few more youngsters.

I highly doubt we won't sign another CM player. I just think it is a bit ludicrous to start writing us off if we don't. I am of the opinion that the team will be better next season. I believe that there is definitely a lot of pressure lifted and we will see the managers preferred system played week in week out; and I believe that system fits that players we already have very well.

Just my opinion mate. I'll get off the stage now. ;O)

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10 Jul 2015 21:26:21
samthered-if you would rather try and wind me up than check out my information feel free. Just suggest you visit the Saints WS and listen to todays interview with Les Reed. Doesn't seem to link in with the rumour that Morgan is having a medical this weekend.
Quite clear to me Utd have other preferred targets and just keeping an interest in Morgan currently. That could be a real problem. So could the fact that Saints will only agree to a transfer within a very limited timeframe.
I believe Saints v Valencia is on the box tomorrow. Will Morgan be in the squad?? Now, that should excite a few people!

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10 Jul 2015 13:40:12
Most people seem to be of the opinion there will be 3-4 players coming in and already with a couple of players away and a couple more to go, I seriously doubt if we would have a squad of enough depth to challenge for Epl and CL. You would like to think quality coming in would be better than quality leaving, but can't help feeling keeping Rafael and Hernandez as squad players would benefit team and there experience would help new players bed in.

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10 Jul 2015 14:35:43
We have a very deep squad with some young quality coming through. I think we will be fine.

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10 Jul 2015 16:31:42
We coped ok without them last season

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10 Jul 2015 17:48:29
Lee, I don't think our CM performed terribly when Carrick got injured. It was less effective - yes; but it was not terrible by any stretch of the imagination.

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10 Jul 2015 13:35:25
What are everyones expectations if the coming season?

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10 Jul 2015 13:53:46
Can't call that yet until we know exactly who we will sign. at current massive fight for fourth place Depay and Darmian will improve us so stronger starting eleven but no quality in depth at current a couple of injuries and we are back to Fellaini and Rooney in midfield.

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10 Jul 2015 14:05:50
Title challenge, decent run in the champions league and fa cup would be a good season considering.
If our signings gel and get some momentum early enough I can't see why we can't go on to be champions

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10 Jul 2015 14:14:22
Depends on how realistically critical we are prepared to be. LVG can do no wrong so if the expectations are a title challenge then a fourth spot challenge will suffice for some folk.

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10 Jul 2015 14:54:28
Jmb ,

I've never seen anyone on here who's of the opinion that LVG can do no wrong , just people like you who think he can do nothing right

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10 Jul 2015 14:54:43
A trophy, top 2 minimum and a CL quarter final would be a good year and good progress.

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10 Jul 2015 15:19:06
Bilko mate it ain't worth it pal, jmb does this, he has these crazy notions in his head that if u ain't complaining constantly about lvg u worship him.

Hes just trying to wake u up :)

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10 Jul 2015 15:36:10
If I had to put my life on it, I say 4th or 5th. Shambles.

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10 Jul 2015 16:00:38
4th r 3rd maximum if v keep playing like v do it can be even 6th . v still not signed the two most important a cb with leader qualities and a cm who can replace carrick

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10 Jul 2015 16:09:29
No trophies but lots of talk about systems and philosophies. Then I see plenty of managers manoeuvring themselves into position as Pep will join City and we will need someone very special to take us back to where we belong

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10 Jul 2015 16:23:27
Champions in April - Depay PFA young player of the year

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10 Jul 2015 16:26:40
I'd be really happy to be in and around contesting 4th place and maybe a good run in capital cup, we are just lucky to be in champions league as we barely snuck in last year. so that's a bonus

With LVG in charge we shouldn't really be aiming higher

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10 Jul 2015 16:44:03
Jesus. What's with the downbeat stuff. We've bought one player in depay who could turn out to be a gem. We're buying the Italy right back. And we're in negotiations for others. So chill out.
JMB no one on here is saying the sun shines out of lvg's arse. I've been critical of his tactics last season. But against the top teams, we did very well. This bodes well for the future. We had a horrific injury run to boot.
So let's give the manager and the team a chance. Let's see what the club are going to do in the transfer window and then if we're not challenging, we can moan. Come on guys, cheer up for christ sake! !

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10 Jul 2015 17:14:08
What a light hearted read this thread was 😎

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10 Jul 2015 19:14:24
2nd or 3rd in the league. At least last 8 in UCL, at least semi final of FA or League Cup

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10 Jul 2015 19:47:44
Treble!

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10 Jul 2015 13:07:23
hello ed did i done anything wrong why my msges not getting posted .

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{Ed023's Note - I've just edited your one asking who United's second signing was and as far as I am aware others got through too so are you looking on the correct page?}

10 Jul 2015 13:49:11
thx ed

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{Ed023's Note - Glad to help}

10 Jul 2015 13:14:14
Everything you need to know about Man Utd's latest signing Mateo Darmian a player profile on the Italian International.

http://www.italianfootballdaily.com/player-focus-matteo-darmian/

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10 Jul 2015 16:19:53
Unfair that Ed, with rafael on your picture

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10 Jul 2015 12:25:46
Has anyone done the fantasy football stuff this yr . Ajh are you going to take everyones prediction for this year?

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10 Jul 2015 12:54:12
Hey Singh

Yes I will and I'll add a couple of things in to try and ensure we have a clear winner. However, it got a tad out of hand last year and I don't want to hack the Eds off so I'm seeing if a Google form might work this time. The season starts before the window shuts so I think we need to leave it as late as possible, probably the week before the kick off. Probably go for top 6 in order, bottom 3 in order, top scorer, and PFA Player of the year. That should give us enough variation.

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10 Jul 2015 16:03:41
can i know how can i join ajh

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10 Jul 2015 16:39:33
Thanks ajh and a great idea about the Google forms.

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10 Jul 2015 12:13:38
Noticed somebody below mentioned Cavani's stats and just wanted to say I have never really thought of him as world class but I am starting to think that's down to my own ignorance. He is not one of the major names when people discuss the top players but i too checked his stats and I have to say I was blown away!! It seems like he's always been looked at in falcaos shadow for me and others i have spoken to for some reason but the boy can score. A LOT! Last season he hit over 30 goals and he was forced wide for most of the season. His goal to game ratio is amazing and its certainly opened my eyes to him a lot more. I would be happy to have him at UTD and think before the Muller saga he seemed the most likely. i'm interested to see if any of you have seen him the same as i did

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10 Jul 2015 12:55:34
We've been liked a while now and and although more people are coming round to the idea of cavani there's still people who don't want him. He's world class look at his goals record and then look at his work rate a lot of people completely under rate him I'd prefer him over kane every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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10 Jul 2015 12:58:27
I think Cavani would excell in the EPL, strong, pretty quick, good in the air and consistently gets goals. Would be more than happy with him. However, Muller is more of a LVG type player.

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10 Jul 2015 13:34:15
Obviously like Microsoft with an extra l

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10 Jul 2015 13:59:47
Cavani stats mean nothing for no players stats outside the premier league are worth much. The premier league is a different monster. when I've seen Cavani play against English opponents in the champions league he's looked poor. For the money he would cost I think there are much better options, hard though as Rooney will be guaranteed starter when fit so another striker must be happy to play second fiddle, and not many top drawer strikers will do that

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10 Jul 2015 14:01:02
What Danny said. I think he's a great all-round forward. I still think he might be the 'big name' signing.

Lewandowski would be my first choice, but unrealistic. The same with Bale.

I'd be more than happy with a Cavani/Depay/Di Maria front three. Talk about a fluid, mobile, interchangeable forward line!

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10 Jul 2015 15:39:32
I was surprised to read that after the first million euro French league players have to pay 75% tax. I expect a lot of stars from the French league getting out. Cavani, Lacazette, Verrati, maybe Moura (ADM deal?). Who knows, but the tax is ridiculous over there.

Maybe Cavani is the the one to come in.

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10 Jul 2015 18:50:38
Good responses guys I immediately asked a mate in work the question and the first thing he said was he's a bit like falcao ha its crazy that so many put them both in the same box. Have any of u guys ever thought of him as a second rate falcao?

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10 Jul 2015 18:59:47
Jaime i might be wrong but i think cavani has only faced premier league teams twice both against chelsea. One when he played for napoli and one for psg. he scored on both occasions

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10 Jul 2015 19:09:17
My mistake he played against city too and scored an amazing goal haha seems like he's got prem teams boxed off

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10 Jul 2015 11:34:23
Is it true that Ed is the only one doing our transfer dealings? If so it's no wonder things are taking a while especially as it's the spine of our team being recruited for. I really hope we don't dally over Schniederlin and Otamemdi in hopes of 'superstar' names like shweini and Ramos cz personally I'd prefer the saints and Valencia men in anyway, unless of course we're in for both of the others too. Maybe we will get some info at the depay press conference.

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10 Jul 2015 11:49:16
10 days into the transfer window isn't exactly a long time when we basically have 2 new signings already with up to 3 more being close.

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10 Jul 2015 12:25:15
No I agree fresh, I've said that myself and I believe we will get deals done i'm just pondering that things may take a little longer with one man in charge and I hope we don't target others over players that are keen to join. I'm actually pleased about the secrecy of our business.

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10 Jul 2015 12:33:55
Yes he does it all himself

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10 Jul 2015 13:05:57
I really do think we are in for a fantastic transfer window.

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10 Jul 2015 12:43:42
2 i though we signed only depay . who is the other one

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{Ed023's Note - I assume he is referring to Darmain}

10 Jul 2015 14:03:07
I agree Welsh hope we tie up Otamendi and Schneiderlin and then go after big names. Hope we aren't risking missing out on these players for the chance of a Ramos or Bastian

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10 Jul 2015 17:22:33
Yep he has to clean the toilets on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays too. Where does he find the time!

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10 Jul 2015 10:50:01
Hey fellow reds.

I'm just trying some up our options and the chances we have of signing them, and what I believe to be the bet scenario for each position, so here goes.

Goalkeeper: David De Gea future looks very uncertain and is he going? Is he staying one more year? Who knows. But we got to remember even though he is past his best days Victor Valdes is a class keeper and I'm sure he has the credentials to keep 10+ cleans sheets this season if he had a good run in of games. He is not all by means our future, but for this season, and the experience he has, I don't see nothing to bad about that. (Obviously hoping for De Gea to stay)


Right back: it looks like Van Gaal has found his man in Darmain, haven't seen much of the lad but Van Gaal wanted to add height to the team, which he has done with a promising and solid right back.

Centre backs: smalling even though he had his ups and downs he is turning into a solid player. Haven't seen much of otamendi at all! I have head mixed comments on him and to be honest the price being thrown around makes me think is it worth it! Now the talk of Ramos excites me! He has been consistently one of the top 3 centre backs for the past 5 years or so, and can give what he is given. Him and Costa will be at each other, he won't let him have a inch of space.

Centre Defensive Mid( number 6 role): Carrick is a player I admire because of his ability to pass the ball and dictate play. However, at the age of 34 can he carry on at the intensity we need him to? I think not, not for the whole season anyway. Scheiderlin is something we are craving. Energy and not afraid of a tackle, schweinsteger for 10 mil? That's a bargain, we won't be buying him to play every game but having All 3 to rotate at the role looks solid.

Striker: I didn't think we needed a world class striker until I did my counting after the RVP sale, we are light, and being in the champions league we need someone who rises to big games. Who stands out for me? Thomas Muller, full of quality and still only young, countless times he has scored vital goals.

I could of went in forever but didn't want to bore you guys. Just saying my suggestions would love use to expand on the post with your opinions.

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10 Jul 2015 11:54:38
Trev,

Think that is a good summary of where we are at, spoke to a mate this morning and said if we could get 3-4 of Otamendi, Ramos, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Kane, Muller we will challenge for the title next season. I have a feeling we will only get 1-2 of them and possibly somebody totally out of left field. At this stage last season we had no idea ADM and Falcao were possibilities, so who knows what might be coming soon.

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10 Jul 2015 09:31:08
So now RvP is off, along with Falcao and presumably Hernandez. This leaves us with just Rooney and Wilson who are natural strikers, and to be honest I think I maybe stretching that a little with Rooney. But at least he is a player with extensive experience of playing as a striker.

So it looks like a striker is now a dead cert to sign this summer, but the question is who?

Well to start with need need to understand what it is LvG want's from a striker. Here we can look to Rooneys comments earlier in the season. LvG want's someone who only touches the ball 10 times a game but scores twice.
This is very revelling into how LvG wants his team to play. LvG is a possession man, as such he sees conceding possession as THE cardinal sin. Unforgivable.
This leaves a problem when it comes to strikers, as the very nature of a striker is to concede possession, a striker is there to score. End of. But in shooting regardless of whether you score or not you concede possession. LvG solves this problem by making sure the striker only touches the ball a minimal number of times. A striker in LvG's system will only have 3/4 shots a game. The rest of the time it is all about movement and threat which will drag and pull the opposition defence out of position creating space to carve open a scoring chance. And then and only then when you have a clear cut scoring chance do you shoot.
Pep Guardiola who is also a possession man solves it a different way, he gets rid of strikers altogether and plays with a false 9, strikers give the ball away too much so he doesn't play with one. Apparently LvG has toyed with the idea of playing Januzaj as a striker in a similar way.

So the kind of striker that LvG will want is someone who is multifaceted, someone who can hold up the ball, run off the shoulder, run with the ball, be clinical when given the chance and above all else someone who can use clever movement for the benefit of the team. His ideal striker will do loads of running and movement, touch the ball only a handful of times and score a couple of goals a game. Much like how Neville mentioned Rooney's performance against Man City, the silent dominator.

We also need to bare in mind LvG will consider himself to have 4 players still in his squad who can play as a striker, Rooney and Wilson but also Depay and Januzaj. Three of those are either young, untested in the league or untested in that position or a combination of all three.

Imo we will probably see another striker come in, but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if one didn't.

I see us signing a RB which looks dead on to be Darmian, a CB most likely Otamendi and a midfielder most likely Schneiderlin. Then I see us signing a superstar player a player to make a statement.

For me there are two possible options here, either sell Hernandez and bring in one of Muller, Cavani or Benzema. Or the other option keep Hernandez and sell Di Maria and bring in Bale.

That would give us either Di Maria, Depay and one of Muller/Cavani/Benzema as a front three with Rooney dropping into midfield or Bale, Rooney and Depay as our front three.

Either way it looks like it might be an exciting summer.

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10 Jul 2015 09:58:11
I'm not disagreeing with any of your points Shappy, but don't you find it a bit contradictory of the manager that he prizes possession above all else, but plays Rooney in midfield?

Also he signed ADM, aka Mr Giveaway, Herrera who he bitches about for giving it away, Rojo aka Mr. Punt and then uses long ball tactics for Fellaini which is often a bit of a lottery!

It's just all a bit messy and doesn't seem to be a cohesive plan. The only consistency last season was our pointless possession, which wasn't moved quickly so the plan of pulling teams out of shape or tiring them out didn't happen, hence 90% of our games being dull affairs.

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10 Jul 2015 10:03:13
good read that mate, if that is what you think LVG is looking for then i'd give Hernandez another shot. He hardly ever has anything to do with the build up but he knows where the goal is for sure. under LVG i could see him being deadly.

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10 Jul 2015 10:11:09
I agree Shappy and the two scenarios that you stated are right.

For me, it will be sell Hernandez and try to sign Muller. I have no doubts in my mind that Muller is the one LVG wants. Signing Muller to be honest could also see Di Maria sold as well as Hernandez as we would have Depay, Rooney and Muller as a front 3 with Young, Januzaj and Mata waiting in the wings.

But he definitely wants a striker who is as comfortable playing wide as he is through the middle.

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10 Jul 2015 10:12:32
As with all your posts I completely agree shappy, all the way through the first bit of the post I was just saying that's either benzema or muller then.

Hopefully we go for Muller because I'm a massive fan and he really is world class, however, I can't see him leaving bayern, ever. He is to Bayern what Scholes/Giggs were to us, it's likely pep will be out before he is shipped on.

Benzema is also in a different class and him and ADM work brilliantly together but he doesn't want to leave, we don't want another situation where we have a player on a big wage who just looks unhappy all season, he's quite lazy already.

Cavani I've never really rated but I heard a stat the other day that he's scored 30+ every year since 2010, that doesn't happen by chance, I've never really watched him properly and when I have he's been average/never had a final product, but he definitely works hard.

All 3 would likely to cost anywhere between £35-50m, as would Kane who could eventually work into the same mould as the 3 mentioned but it would be a massive gamble as he's only had that one year, if we end up with either him or Cavani I wouldn't be delighted but I'd be satisfied, as we still have Rooney and Wilson, who I think could be a 'poacher' for us, especially with him learning off the likes of RVP, Falcao, Rooney and Cavani all in the past year.

A summer of Depay, Darmain, Otamendi, Schneiderlin and Cavani/Muller/Benz/Kane would be almost perfect for us.

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10 Jul 2015 10:22:04
Anon, I agree.

Darmian, Sergio Ramos, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Depay and Muller would be ideal.

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10 Jul 2015 10:44:44
That's fantasy football right there fresh let's hope woody makes it happen

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10 Jul 2015 10:53:46
Always a pleasure reading your posts Shappy. Very insightfu. I noticed you didn't mention Fellaini, who was used to goot effect last season up front and will be a good plan B in the coming season. I am still gutted that we didn't go in for Vietto. I do note rate cavani one bit, if we are to get a superstar signing then Bale or if nothing at all then Benzema. don't think muller will leave.

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mbd              

10 Jul 2015 10:57:48
It is fantasy! But it's 50/50 at the moment and could well happen.

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10 Jul 2015 11:09:38
Loved the analysis on how LVG plays Shappy, you could find yourself up there alongside Neville if you continue. A hell of a lot more articulate than Carragher, lol.

There is no doubt in my mind that we will be signing another striker. I doubted it before we sold RVP, i thought he might possibly think about putting Depay up there with Rooney for certain games and have RVP and Wilson as a backup. But now no doubt whatsoever and I believe it will be a big name. Quite exciting

At least a centre back to be brought in. Nobody really knows the story with Ramos. I see pictures of him hugging the president 'the love lost' seemingly not evident in those pictures as everyone was all smiles but who knows. I am enjoying the fact that the press have no idea, usual semi reliable journalists like Mark Ogden have no idea and that is quite telling. Otamendi could be the one to come in and I would have no issue with that. Very powerful, no nonsense defender, can play a bit too and was the main reason for Valencias fantastic season.

At centre mid, there will definitely be one, i believe that to be Schneiderlin and a bonus would be the signing of Schweinsteiger.

All in all, it is looking very exciting and the next week or two will be very important. The longer it goes on the more anxious we all will get as fans but more importantly it means less time for players to settle in and to have the ability to hit the ground running come the opening few fixtures.

Let's hope we are here next Friday discussing the arrival of a CB, CM and Striker.

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10 Jul 2015 11:18:56
I agree beast.

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10 Jul 2015 11:32:34
Thanks Shappy. insightful as ever. Funny thing is I read first paragraph without seeing the,author and instantly said 'this Is Shappy'. Obviously a distinctive writing style!
I personally think we will address the defense and HM. And then it could be a long wait to see if we can attract one of the big names you mention. Things change quickly and who is available could change too. Would not be surprised if someone unexpected to the club becomes available and.we go for them.
Beast. i getvyour points on how we played last year but I think.k it was an.exceptional year all about Lvg working with players and the system was.about getting CL nothing more.
I think we will see there's Lvg talks about this year

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10 Jul 2015 11:38:54
What about everyone else JMB?

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10 Jul 2015 11:42:07
Sorry guys but Shappy retains his best poster title for a little bit longer. I appreciate Beast's counter points too though that we have in Rooney someone who is quite poor in terms of ball retention and yet looks assured his place in the team regardless. I believe we are looking to Rooney to be the sole out and out striker with Wilson as cover and indeed succession plan. The other forward players we will look for are what I term winger-forwards a la Bale and Ronaldo who have pace to burn and can therefore play on the wings to the world class level that a Premiership or Champs League winning team required but can equally as effective when switching into the out and out attacker position. Either tactically within games, or to cover injury.

Some of the best football we've played was back in 08 when we effectively had an interchangeable front 3 of Ronaldo Rooney and Tevez. That time was largely set up as a fantastic counter attacking side though and I'm not convinced LVGs 'posession above all else' style will see a return to that rampant fast free flowing attacking football.

I appreciate folk have their doubts about LVG based on brand of football seen thus far but do believe we have one of the very few managers who can do the United job. His credentials speak for themselves though. Given a few transfer windows and the right financial backing that he appears to have I'm confident we will return to winning ways. Something I would've never said within a decade if Moyes were in charge.

We have the right man for the job, more spending power than most and seemingly an appetite to spend it too to ensure we return to the top table of both English and European football.

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10 Jul 2015 11:55:29
JMB,

You got that on Auto type?

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10 Jul 2015 12:00:04
I think it's set every time Beast posts GDS

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10 Jul 2015 12:15:37
I would be looking at Pedro from Barcelona. He may not be as classy as Sanchez but he could do the same job as Muller. Massively underrated and seldom played for the past 2-3 years.
Being a barca academy player he would be good at passing and would be tactically better suited to any formation, given he played a lot under Guardiola.
The only problem I feel is he that is as tall as messi, but that shouldn't stop us from signing a quality player.
Silva worked out well for City and so did Santi.
I have no qualms if Pedro wouldn't.
Barca rejects generally turn out to be cheap and have solid seasons elsewhere.
See Keita, Toure, Bojan, Fabregas, Sanchez, Valdes, Ibra.

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10 Jul 2015 16:53:56
Beast if these players you mentioned are all rubbish at keeping possession,and lvg has bought a load of them, so how do you explain the possession stats we had last year??

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10 Jul 2015 09:11:17
Good morning Football Rumours community. I was having a chat with my Brother about Rooney with the discussion point being is now the right time to sell Rooney?

I would like to hear your thoughts.

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10 Jul 2015 09:29:58
Dear God, let's not do this again. I'm hoping you are just being mischievous

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10 Jul 2015 09:34:00
Not unless we are buying Muller and Kane to replace Rooney and RVP.

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10 Jul 2015 09:47:58
No that time has passed. A couple of seasons ago may have been the ideal moment but only if the team was invested in in a similar way to it was last season.

I think having Rooney puts us in a awkward position, in that Wayne doesn't have a clear best position. But he is paid as the clubs best player and the one you should be building around, but how do you build around a player who has no definitive position.

For me Rooney's best position is as a second striker. He needs someone playing as a striker in front of him making space for him to work in. But he needs to be closer to the goal than a traditional No.10 and less involved as his short passing and first touch let him down when he plays deeper.

So in order to have Rooney play at his best he needs a world class striker playing in front of him to make space for him, he needs two box to box midfielders behind him doing all the midfield work, and with no creative midfielder playing centrally he needs two great wide players who can create even when doubled up against. He would be amazing if we played in our traditional 4411 with him playing as the one between the midfield and the striker. A midfield with the likes of Keane and Scholes bossing it so he doesn't have to drop deep and help them out, a striker a head of him of the class and ability of RvN and wide players like Giggs and Ronaldo. He needs players of that quality and those kind of players to play at his best.

Maybe Schneiderlin and Herrera could do a job in midfield, Maybe Di Maria and Depay could be those wide players but we need that striker as well. But are they as good as Keane, Scholes, Giggs, Ronaldo and RvN? No. Also playing that way in very one dimensional, and easy enough to cancel out. Press high and double up on the wide areas.

Rooneys best assest is his ability to play nearly any position and still give a solid 7 out of 10 performance. He is a world class squad player, not the corner stone of a great team.

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10 Jul 2015 09:51:22
Last season I would have said yes, but thankfully we didn't because of the lack of goals in the striker department.

However I believe we need to keep hold of Wazza for another season or two whilst we transition into a new team. He is a reliable goal scorer and is probably one of our best players. If we can bring in a player with potential to be better than Rooney (Kane) then it can be an easy transition to switch them over.

However I do believe Rooney will retire at United and will go down as a club legend, despite is poor form the past season or two.

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10 Jul 2015 09:53:41
I have wanted him sold for 4 year's, but now isn't the time with us unloading so many in his position. If we sign a world class striker, then I would sell Rooney and bring in another squad player striker or a rotational striker. Rooney has to be the main striker for the good of the team, as the manager has said he will always play and in midfield it is like having 9 men.

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10 Jul 2015 10:14:07
yeah let's sell RVP, Rooney and get rid of Falcoa all in one window ! that would be far too much change in one position

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10 Jul 2015 11:02:17
yes let's sell our best player

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10 Jul 2015 11:19:12
We are spb, DeGea is going to Madrid.

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10 Jul 2015 15:41:44
It isn't 2011 anymore SPB.

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10 Jul 2015 16:12:58
Sell the money grabbing little toad. Over rated and over hyped by the british press he was a wonder when he was a kid but where as Messi and Ronnie moved on he lost all that made him special his power and pace. Fergie recognised this and was getting rid of him. Moyes bottled it and it cost him his job.

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10 Jul 2015 09:09:50
LVG need strikers who can create chances for themselves and for others sometimes. Both RVP and Falcao are not good in doing that and they are isolated from game which leaves us effectively with 10 men. Muller, Benzema, Bale can do that. I feel LVG is right in selling or not making them permanent, keeping faith in his philosophy.

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10 Jul 2015 08:51:43
I don't get all these RVP being betrayed etc posts. He had an excellent first season, but since then he has been injured as much as fit to play. By some accounts he may have caused trouble during Moyes' season, which like the manager or not you should give 100% for the fans and those who pay your £200k wages. He could have sat here and earned huge wages plus picked up a bonus next season that he was entitled to, apparently, and who could have blamed him? But, he wanted more first team football which he was obviously told he might not get here, probably as we need players who we can count on week in week out, not ones in the physio room. For him as a player he has made the right choice I think, apparently his wages are still very good too, so he loses the bonus but he's not on the breadline. He'll be a huge fish in a small pond coming to the end of his career, I don't blame him or the club, I think it is right for both at this time.

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10 Jul 2015 09:07:57
Far too sensible Brendan, get some of Ronnie's pills down your neck.

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10 Jul 2015 09:12:40
He was a short term signing by SAF to win the league . He's only had two injury free seasons in his career and his new club shows where he's at now . Fair play to him for his first season with us when he was class but like you say Brendan we can't guarantee him first team football , so it's best for all concerned .

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10 Jul 2015 09:31:28
He was like that beautiful woman you met on holiday who made all your dreams come true but when you got home you liaised it was just a fling. His 1st season with us was one of the best I have seen from any player, unfortunately, he has been unable to do it again.

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10 Jul 2015 10:08:51
Up until Xmas his first season he was brilliant. His form after Xmas has been the same for the past 2 and a half years. It was his tremendous start that makes people think it was the whole season he played well.

He had 4 months of being class, it just so happened the season before he was awesome for Arsenal as well. Kind of like ADM had 4 games of looking class and had the season before at Real Madrid - by October he was shocking but a lot of people give him the first half of the season.

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10 Jul 2015 10:37:37
RVP was always a golden handshake for SAF he knew that, he's done his job, maybe he just thought he'd have another year with SAF and that's why he's looked so disinterested for 2 years.

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10 Jul 2015 11:16:16
AJH - my sister and her two mates said they " have had you "on holiday 3 years ago!😆😆

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10 Jul 2015 08:33:59
Since Ed Woodward has learned to keep most of our transfer targets very secret. How many of you think there will be some shock signing. And also it has been circulating that we will also sign a top class player. So a shocker top class signing. Who will that be?? Since we have been linked with every top players, who do you think we may sign which is not linked with us till now.
Reus for me :)

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10 Jul 2015 08:57:40
Thomas muller or Gareth bale for me

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10 Jul 2015 08:59:11
Has to be Ronaldo or Messi for me, I think either could get into our first team.

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10 Jul 2015 09:07:23
I'm slightly worried it will be the wrong mega signing. Falcao was a last minute deal that didn't work and I think ADM was bought as a statement as opposed to us needing him (still not convinced he will deliver). If there is a shock, let's hope it is a good one and not another statement that doesn't help the team. Bale is the obvious one but if rumours of Benzema to Arsenal are true, not sure they will let Bale go as well. Here's one for you, I was told a couple of years ago that a deal had been agreed for Iniesta but it never happened. I know he's getting on but what a difference he would make to our team.

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10 Jul 2015 09:10:35
I have my money on Bale or Muller

Front 3 or Depay Wazza Bale/Muller
Little bit special

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10 Jul 2015 09:55:09
I have a gut feeling Harry Kane is going to be that mega money signing.

I like the lad but I don't know if he will be worth the quoted "£50 Million" by the media.

But still would be a great signing in the long term.

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10 Jul 2015 11:50:17
We will definitely paying £50m+ as a statement signing. Given we could be letting last years statement signing go for a £17m loss though I'm hoping this one a) performs and b) stays!

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10 Jul 2015 13:25:48
Benzema will be the big signing. Utd have trump card in DDG, particularly now Cassilas going to Porto.

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10 Jul 2015 02:47:06
Hey eds/all,
Just wondering with rvp off is it possible united will move for kane?is the interest in him genuine?i certainly don't think he's a 1 season wonder and could flourish in our new system with better players around him.we all know levy has a price too.united are certainly clearing out a lot of wages so must have something planned?any of the eds confirm anybof this?thanks

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10 Jul 2015 08:27:22
There certainly will be a mega signing IMO. I hope we sign kane but he is nowhere a Mega signing. We will have enough budget for wages without violiating any FFP

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10 Jul 2015 08:32:54
hope not for 40 million.

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10 Jul 2015 08:46:37
Am sure Kane would do a cracking job but the trouble is that he is in love with spurs and is in no rush to leave and secondly levy would refuse to sell him anyway. let's not spend a summer chasing someone we are very unlikely to get regardless of how much money we are prepared to offer re fee/wages.

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10 Jul 2015 09:09:12
If Benzema is available for £18M, I can't understand why we would send £40M on Kane. He's had a good season but he's still a huge risk

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10 Jul 2015 09:36:31
No way on this planet Benzema would go for £18m, it would be a minimum of £30-35m.

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10 Jul 2015 06:32:48
Article on Manchester United youth system.

http://goo.gl/taSZm5

what are every ones views ?

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10 Jul 2015 01:53:18
Anyone else think i Am KLOOT is John magnier? His hatred towards SAF iss what I'd expect of John so I won't be surprised if he was

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10 Jul 2015 10:17:21
Kloot is entitled to his opinion.
History will record Ferguson as a truly great manager and fantastic judge of players. But he ain't whiter than white. Nor is any very successful person regardless what their endeavour is.

He's a God most of us tho. Just not Kloot!

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09 Jul 2015 22:27:34
I believe one of the Eds has taken up the KLOOT role to keep us entertained!!

Although whether it is or not, it's working!!

😅😆😅😆😅

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{Ed001's Note - no mate, we don't have time for that sorry. It seems someone else had that idea though.}

10 Jul 2015 07:28:39
It's not Kloot, of course it's not lol the "I'm just trying to wake everyone up" quote stunk of someone else.

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10 Jul 2015 00:37:27
Banter plz

KLOOT, and my esteemed united bredrins

I just believe the Glazers are what they are, have done what they've done. They aren't oil rich like kloots envious comparisons. We are not a toy, we are a business. A huge sporting brand. I believe that to a certain extent, they have bled our club, but have also gave back in this constant branding and worldwide sponserships.

I am related to a guy (through marriage) who was part of FC UNITEDS set up when this all started, I, like he and many of you stitched goatee bearing voodoo dolls matched with permanent markered glasses. I waved the green and gold.
After time you have to ask yourself What now would we achieve in Mutiny? We are gathering strength. Yes they are money grabbers, cash cow strokers. But they are doing good business. What will become of citeh and chelski should their owners become bored?.
I don't hear KLOOT saying anything about that Racehorse Rock of Gibraltar? Arguably, if Magnier and MacManus weren't to get upset by Fergies greed. We coulda/shoulda/woulda? It's six of one half dozen of the other.
I, like my former FC UNITED peer, have licked my personal wounds and got over it. I got sick of being a dog chasing it's tail, round and round, never getting anywhere.
Remove those harmful blinkers boys and gals. MUTINY HURTS HARD NO MATTER WHAT.

PEEEAAACE✌✌✌
💚💛💚💛

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10 Jul 2015 07:32:25
Yes u r right. Nothing we can do about the glazers and we are getting money in the club whether it's there's or not. I agree with KLOOT though they are not good for the club! Waving a few green and yellow scarves isn't going to help imo.

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10 Jul 2015 00:21:37
I would love Van Persie to stay; I think he's still a top class striker. He never relied on pace, and his technique is superb. Plus, we will be playing a system with one striker this season by the way things look. Therefore we need a a proven goalscorer striker as second choice to Rooney who is clinical and is happy to be second choice. Van Persie possibly fits that bill better than anyone else, especially given that he is not able to play 50+ games a season, and therefore not able to be first choice all the time anyway. If we do sell Van Persie, then we will have to spend serious money to sign a striker of similar quality, probably £40 million plus to get one of Benzema, Lewandowski, Muller, or Lacazette. Whatever happens I wish RVP all the best, and thank him for #20.

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10 Jul 2015 07:32:43
I'm not happy rvp has left

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10 Jul 2015 08:22:47
I would also love for him to stay but I don't imagine he will accept the bench role. moving to a less strenuous league and playing more football would be best for him I think.

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10 Jul 2015 09:03:05
RVP deserves a massive thank for helping to deliver our last title, let's be honest we couldn't have done it without him. However last season he didn't contribute a lot and didn't give the impression of being happy about losing his position as premier striker. Have read somewhere that he says he felt betrayed.
This time last year the 2 players almost every fan wanted out were fellaini and young. Come the end of the season through shear effort and determination to prove the doubters wrong these same two players had made themselves 1st picks every week. I wish RVP well but am disappointed he is choosing to leave rather than stay and fight for his place especially as he probably has maybe 2 more seasons left in him at premier league level.
At the risk of contradicting myself i did post a few weeks ago that i wouldn't be unhappy at falcao and rvp leaving as it seemed ridiculous to have 2 people sat on the bench earning best part of £500k per week between them. One must assume that the club is confident of landing a big fish to replace them although whom is a separate debate that i won't get into here

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09 Jul 2015 23:16:57
I understand it's still very early but I'm feeling all this hype that we supposedly had massive war chest 150-200 mil to spend this summer just isn't ringing true . We re haggling over a few million over Morgan and linked with likes of schweinstger . I just very much expected big arrivals to come and more intent. I'm hoping as I said that it is still early and big name arrivals will come .
Other point i'd like to make is why didn't we sign Clyne ? Younger cheaper english homegrown player why have we gone for an more expensive Italian who rated of a similar calibre ??? We ve always had British players in our club and slowly slowly becoming a club/team of foreigners .

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10 Jul 2015 02:11:43
hate that word "warchest" you sound like the daily star mate!!!

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10 Jul 2015 02:30:28
Maybe we didn't want clyne and feel Damian is a better fit for what we need? The scouts will have done their homework.

This time last year there was a lot of posts like this, I am excited for the next month.

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10 Jul 2015 06:11:04
This is what gets me GDS people going on about our top targets we have literally no idea who our top targets are if the rumour of us having worked on the Darmain deal for four months are true then that suggests he was the top target.

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