Manchester United Banter Archive May 10 2012

10 May 2012 22:12:41
arsenal fan here,i met a manc friend of mine today,we chatted about this weekends fixtures,he was on a bit of a downer,then he sprung to life "we are going to clean up next season thats for sure",before i even had time to rise to the bait he proclaimed"have you not seen our new shirt,its a tea towel.i googled it when i got home BL--DY HELL!
trev the gooner

10 May 2012 21:35:09
Who I think we will sign:
Clyne 3m
Kagawa 10m
Sigurdsson 12m

Who I would like us to sign:
Am-Hazard/Erikson/Ganso/Muniain

Cm-Martinez/M'vila/Vidal/Sahin/Banega

Lb-Izaguirre/Baines

As I understand things United have around 25million to spend.. I reckon this could be streched if hazard wants to join us, although this is very unlikely.. There will be stock sold on the singapore stock market, in the autumn i think, which will give us extra cash for the transfer kitty for 2013.. I could be wrong and some of these funds may be made available this summer but when have we been pleasantly surprized by the glazers.. If any of the glazers is reading: Give us money ya miserable auld b*****ds!

10 May 2012 21:10:47
Alright lads/eds, wondering if anyone can help me? Have any official images of the Utd home kit for next year been released yet and is it going to be that awful checkered thing that was leaked a while back?

10 May 2012 21:06:20
Reserves just won 3-1 on pens the keeper has made some magnificent saves and keane really looked the part.


Anon

10 May 2012 19:07:35
Yeah. Lets sell Nani and buy Hazard. Someone with no work ethic and is unproven in our league for our third best player, who tracks back and is great on his day.

The thing about Nani is that for Portugal and when he's at his best, he's playing in the floating role, going where he pleases. When he's stuck rigidly on the wing and his less favoured left wing, he's not as effective.

Hazard have the consistency of Nani, he could be a flop, or he could be utterly world class. Are we willing to sell one of our best players to get him? I don't see why we can't have both. Being our first choice right and left AM/wingers.

One last thing, shame on you Moon. We all expect players to be loyal to the club yet just discard players who show that loyalty at will. He's one of our best players and loyal, nobody should be arguing. But it's like they say, the grass is always greener.

Percy

10 May 2012 18:48:37
If we did go 4-33 and we had around 50 million to spend i.d go.


DE GEA
Rafael smalling vidic cissokho

modric
cleverley kagawa
valecia nani/young
Rooney

kagawa-7mil
Modric-30mil
cissokho8-10mil
=around 47million

sell berbatov 7mil,

40mil spent!

TRUMORS {Ed004's Note - Modric as a holding midfielder would be suicidal}

10 May 2012 18:36:08
I hear that there's an alleged investigation into Bebe's transfer to United?!
We should be investigating into why we bought this useless pile of crap in the first place!

10 May 2012 17:05:48
ed if you're the expert, can you give us your ideal and likely team for next season? thanks! {Ed004's Note - I haven't a clue what our likely team will be and I don't really have an ideal team as I keep flirting between the ideas of using a 433 formation or a 4231 formation. I am not sure which team formation would suit us more. In a 433 we have more midfield domination and in a 4231 we are building the team around our best player - Rooney...}

10 May 2012 16:56:57
Why is everybody saying "If we sell nani" or "we should sell nani"

He has the second most assists in our team behind valencia and has been our most prolific midfielder infront of goal this season... Love him or hate him he gets the job done even if he is a little inconsistent.

He is an integral part to our team and I know I dont want to see him leave and im sure fergie doesnt either.

fearny

10 May 2012 16:58:45
This is something that i have touched on before, but feel like going into it in more detail, see what you guys think. Its a formation and system change, to that of Barcelona as i think with a couple of additions we have the squad to do it. The formation would be a 4-3-3 with two wingers playing either side of Rooney, someone sitting deep in front of the defence and then two slightly more attacking minded midfielders ahead of the person sitting in the hole. Most of the players would need to have a good work ethic. For me, in this formation, this would be the dream team in terms of what we have already with very expensive/gettable additions:

_______________De Gea
D. Alves__Smalling_______Vidic__Alba
_______________Martinez
_________Eriksen_______Sneijder
Sanchez_______Rooney_____Hazard

Now before people start saying that would never happen, WAIT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS IN ANYWAY POSSIBLE. I think that at the very least we could get a central midfielder and a left sided player to fit that formation, however i'd also like a left back and a DM.

This is realistic:

______________De Gea
Rafael___Smalling____Vidic___Alba
___________Carrick (Martinez)
_______Cleverly____Kagawa/Sneijder
Nani_______________________Hazard
______________Rooney

That would mean that we shell out on a left back, a central midfielder and a left winger with the other option being a defensive midfielder. Rafael and Alba would provide good width getting forward, and Carrick could sit (If we can't get Martinez to play there, we could get Fellaini). Cleverly would be more of a box to box player and then someone like Kagawa or Sneijder would be creative and float a little more. The front 3 could move around and cause problems for the opposition defence.

Equally players like Valencia could come in and give us constant width in some games, Young would fit in as would Welbeck. Hernandez too as for me he is in the super-sub mold. That all together would cost £60 million or so (less if its Kagawa and not Sneijder). That would bring us closer to the days of attacking play with Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney that we all enjoyed so much.

Thoughts?

RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - I agree that 433 might be the way to go in the future as it offers us more domination in midfield area. If we were to go with that formation I would try and get Izaguirre as I feel Alba is going to Barcelona, Martinez, Kagawa, Ozil/Eriksen and Rodriguez and sell Nani if we needed funds to buy those players but we would already be recouperating quite a bit if we sold Anderson, berbatov and Evra.}

10 May 2012 16:22:39
Out of curiousity say a bid of around 30-35 million came in for Nani and the option was there to use all of that money to buy Kagawa and Hazard would people on here sell Nani or would they keep him? I am not sure whether I would take the money and buy two quality players with it or keep Nani. I rate Nani highly and he speaks of our great club with a huge amount of respect and he speaks of the manager highly and is seems to be working hard to become a regular first teamer. Yes he has poor games but when he finds his consistency I think he will be world class. You also never hear of any attitude problems with him. So I am not sure, my head says sell but my heart says keep him....
The Red Manc
ps This is a question as to what you would do in this situation?

10 May 2012 15:48:26
just a comment on the articles doing the rounds today about how much s****y have spent to get where they are.And the fact that the only club currently in the prem who are not in debt are wolves. Everybody i talk to thinks the state of english football (financial state )
is all down to chelski and s****y these two clubs are certainly contributing to the ongoing mess everyone finds themselves in trying to keep up but they are not the causeof the mess were all in. That honour in my opinion must go to the club that got relegated on monday Blackburn Rovers and the original Mr sugar Daddy Jack Walker. He proved if you throw enough money at players they will sign and if you get enough of them you may just win something them. Getting relegated proves that eventually when the outside money is no longer there then dependant on the amount of debt your left with sooner (ie Leeds/Portsmouth ) or later (blackburn )
your club will not survive so if either s****y or chelski ever have to stand on there own two feet they will be in deep sh*t. So for everyone out there that wants a suger daddy be carefull what you wish for! I,d just like someone to own us who would rid us of debt and take sensible dividends/bonuses whilst allowing us to stay competitive in the transfer markets thus allowing us to be sucessfull on the pitch
Onecut

10 May 2012 15:14:32
it scares me the ammount of speculation along with suggestions from other man utd fans that we want leighton baines. he is mediocre. along with this i think we need to understand we dont have that much money so strengtening the important areas such as cm is far more important than signing a brilliant winger (hazard). if we was to spend the same as last summer (around 60 million) then i think the following signings should be made..
Tiote-20mil
Clyne-2 mil
Kagawa-7 mil
gaitan-15 mil

then maybe a player such as eriksen.munain DEPENDANT on if nani stays or goes.

10 May 2012 14:31:08
have city bought the title

i think there best team is
hart
richards
lescott 22
kompany 6
clichy 7

nasri 22
barry 12
yaya 24
silva 25

tevez 25
aguero 38

total 181 mill spent

united
DDG 19
jones 17
smalling 10
ferdinant 29
evra 6

valencia 16
carrick 18
young17
scholes

rooney 27
hernandez 6

total spent 165 mill spent
jred

10 May 2012 13:21:49
Anyone have any other forums/websites that I can use to chat to other United fans or read transfer gossip?

I'm tired of having to scroll through 70% of the page to even get to something relating to transfer gossip or similar.

I, Personally, have no interest in reading petty bickering between United and Liverpool fans. Over half a page of replies comparing how sh*te our players are, to how sh*te Liverpool players are? Not for me, sorry.

Used to love this site, it does my head in nowadays. I just want to read about United, I get it, it's a Banter forum, hence I'm requesting any other suggestions?

RED_SKY {Ed002's Note - I completely agree that the Manchester United and Liverpool fans seem to be going to considerable lengths to wreck the site. Too much nonsense is getting through so we will be figuring out a way to stop it. I spent quite a while clearing up a lot of mess from last night.}

10 May 2012 13:00:00
So ed, any realistic transfer moves going on for man utd, kagawa rumours look genuine would be a good signing, just feel man utd are going to stick with what they have to be honest! Any Thoughts? {Ed002's Note - No thoughts.}

10 May 2012 12:19:42
Blair -

the Fickle debate:

Well, honestly I think we're both as bad as eachother. I've criticized 99% of the United squad and the only people I've never criticized are SAF and Vidic for two reasons; SAF put us in the position we're in and without him we would still be midtable, why would I turn against the man who put us in the position we've been in for the past half a century. As for Vidic, I've just never really seen him have a bad game.

And while we're on the topic of buying rubbish, I think we've both bought some terrible players in our past. Personally I don't think we can judge players like Cleverley, Shelvey, Smalling, Kelly, Jones, Henderson, Carroll, etc. because they haven't really been given the opportunity to show what they're capable of on a consistent basis. who knows, next year Cleverley might be the best midfielder in the world, or Carrol might score 100 goals. I mean I'll banter about the price tags but I wouldn't exactly judge them on a season or two.

If we're looking at terrible players and paying over the odds we've got to look at players who have played and gone or are about to go. players like Babel, Djemba, Bellion, Robbie Keane, Diouf, Poulsen, Veron, etc.

I also believe that for every 1 awful player we've both signed there have been 2 or 3 really good players that we've signed for value; Reina, Vidic, Roy Keane, Crouch, Enrique, Lucas, Smalling, Coates, Hernandez, etc.

So, you've bought some rubbish, we've bought some rubbish, we've bought great players for value and you've bought great players for value.

Have a great day guys!

The Moon.

10 May 2012 11:19:14
my take on City and Hazard:

what City and Chelsea done to English football should see majority or football fans and pundits alike left in a state of disgust!......Instead everyone is biastly backing the horrow show of Man City for some reason. And its clear for all to see that any players they buy now are of the money grabbing, big headed and quite simply stupid kind. Why anyone would choose that club over other clubs I dont know.......your a footballer so Money shouldnt be the SOLE reason any move happens.

Players are treating it like business from their point of view now too and thats ridiculous. If Hazard joins City over other clubs just because of an extra £30,000 a week more then clearly the other clubs are better off!....why would you want a player that has no loyality and only wants your cash!?............Toure's revelation about wanting to go back to Barca ASAP proves that....he has been their best player and the reason they look like winning the league.......how can you respect that?

lewis.no.9

10 May 2012 10:51:40
There is an excellent article in the Telegraph today about what it has really cost City to win the league and it is closer to 950 million. But the point I am making is not to criticise City but to awaken people like Sydney and GDS to the fact that if the Glazers had not taken over we could have bought an 80 million pound player every season and still be in profit. In the past 5 years you would struggle to find teams that have a less net spend than us. Please don't anybody be stupid enough to believe that UEFA's fair play rules will come into effect and stop City. They are just laughing at them and will ride all over them. They will keep adding the best players in the world to their squad whilst we talk up youth players and players who are well past their best. There were always too many supporters out there who turned their heads away from the long term effect of the Glazers ownership as long as trophies were in the cabinet. People had a go at me banging on about the long term damage these sperm of the devil were doing to our club. Well I wonder how many of you now are thinking you know something he may just have had a point. Lets look at facts City are only going to get stronger. They are trying their best to land Jose by making him the highest paid person in football and a bottomless transfer kitty. He has turned them down this season but for how long. And would he really want to come to us with our squad knowing that he will not be allowed to bring in world class players unless they will accept 1st division wages. We can only prey that there is someone out there with an obscene amount of money who can buy us without putting us into debt and then return us to where we belong. I personally think at this point we are the furthest we have been away from a great side since 1992. This post is only for United supporters. Any of you plastic scousers reading this and thinking of adding some childish comment. Don't you get it we just don't care what you think. I AM KLOOT

10 May 2012 07:42:06
considering teddy's comments about sneijder..

yes it was irritating last year with all the will he come..will he not bulls**t..

but for a moment..if united sort out all the stuff with inter and agree personal terms with him..
wont he be a good addition to our squad? will all the stuff thats happened he would still be a good fit in our midfield..

i for one would be more excited to see him play for us..rather than worry about the wages and fee he commands..

thoughts?

Rudi

10 May 2012 01:36:36
Well I am coming round to the Blair way of thinking. I used to think he was deluded, but now I am beginning to see his point. He keeps telling us that all Liverpool players are so superior to those at United, yet Liverpool are 34 points below United. So the same logic would indicate that a team 34 points below Liverpool would be full of stars of total supremacy to those at Anfield. Unfortunately the Liverpool points tally is so pitiful, that this is not possible, and you have to cheat by 7 points, - but surely this is a mere technicality. What you then see is that every Wolves player would automatically walk into the Liverpool team. Are you beginning to see his point too now? They probably would. You see, the fact is clear now that he has pointed it out - Queen Kenny has done an amazing job to keep them from relegation, in the same way as SAF has worked wonders to get United level on points with a club blessed with a rather large benefactor, and not having had the injuries that United have.