10 Nov 2011 22:54:39
Now the Pogba situation is obviously a vital one to sort out. He is the long term solution to our midfield problem. I've been looking at our fixtures between now and january and feel there is plenty of oppertunity to play him the fixtures are:
Swansea(A), Benifica(H), Newcastle(H), Palace(H), Villa(A), Basle(A), Wolves(H), QPR(A), Fulham(A), Wigan(H), Blackburn(H).
Now out of those games the only ones i feel he shouldn't be involved in in some way are Benifica and Newcastle. I'd give him a sub role at Swansea for 20-30mins depending on the situation. Then he has to start against Palace and Basle(aslong as we've beaten Benifica) with a sub role at Villa sandwiched between the two. Then start him at Wolves and if he's done as well as i hope he'll do then he should be first choice for the rest of the year.
Shappy {Ed002's Note - So SAF is happy to be blackmailed then?}
Manchester United Banter Archive November 10 2011
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10 Nov 2011 21:48:02
eds, im sure i read earlier on the banter page that kaka could be a possibility for us in January (on loan) but after going down the page i can't see anything on this.. has it been deleted? thanks
keightley! {Ed002's Note - No idea.}
10 Nov 2011 22:49:50
King Kenny is throwing his toys out of the the pram again. Liverpool are just always so hard done by, aren't they?? ;)
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10 Nov 2011 22:19:46
Alessandro Del Piero reveals his passion for man utd and is looks likely to leave juventus at the end of the season maybe he is on his way to united hopefully {Ed007's Note - He is 37 now, you have got to be kidding surely, or drunk?}
10 Nov 2011 21:42:43
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Is that £100M or £100M plus VAT, or £100M including VAT and Agent fees and VAT on Agent fees?}
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Off course, Vat works both ways! If you sell Torres for £50 million plus Vat then buy Suarez & Carroll for a combined fee of £59 million plus Vat, then you would be entitled of Vat repayment on the £9 million. So if KK net spend is £30 million then a repayment by the HMRC would be due back to Liverpool football club. Solely on the transfers
Again the Vat charged on Agents fees would also be reclaimed as it is an expense.
Where as if Liverpool were actually selling players for more than they are buying other players they would have to pay
Vat.
The Irish Rover
10 Nov 2011 22:02:44
ed. any chance of us signing modric in january? {Ed004's Note - Very little}
10 Nov 2011 21:29:51
I know we need people to make the differance now but i was wondering what everyone thinks of two young english lads i feel could be worth signing. The first is
Wilfried Zaha, for those who don't know him he's a 19yo striker, but it's his vision that stands out for me, he's got a great shot on him but he is best playing just off the front man in "the hole" as he sees everything and has a knack of picking the right pass at key moments. Certainll not the finished artical but someone who could be picked up cheaper and moulded into a top player at United.
The second is
Sammy Ameobi, He reminds me of a 18yo Ronaldo. Very tall and gangly with great talent and bags of pace. He's not got that magic Ronaldo has but can be a top player if you take the time to round off the rough edges as he is very raw. He plays as a left winger/forward and being a left footed winger would be a great asset to us as they can be hard to come by and he's english.
Well let me know what you guys think.
Shappy
10 Nov 2011 20:20:03
Ed002 - Doesn't a player have to be 17 to sign a professional contract in England? So it would have been March 2010 when he signed a professional contract. Did he sign a two year deal til 2012 or a three year deal til 2013?
Would a two year deal be likely Ed? Surely a three year deal is more likely isn't it?
Sydney! {Ed002's Note - The deal is that under the age of 18 the maximum contract is 3 years and the player is still a child so a parent or guardian must still sign. I have no idea about the length for Pogba but our database shows it runs to June 2013 although I am well aware of speculation it runs out this year. Our database his not always accurate for youngsters as I have said.}
if the above is right and pogba's player profile on the man united website is right , which says he signed oct 2009 if he was only allowed to sign a 3 year contract would that not mean that the papers have got it right and that he is in the last year of his contract
jred
10 Nov 2011 19:45:54
Anyone watching Gabon v Brazil?? My kids school fields in better shape than that.... HERBIE
10 Nov 2011 17:58:49
VulcanDaily Mirror today. EXCLUSIVE: How Man United overtook Coca-Cola to become the world's SIXTH biggest brand
The glitzy address shows just how far Manchester United has come in the past seven years... as a money-making champion.
For while Sir Alex Ferguson has guaranteed glory on the football pitch, the suits behind the scenes have helped turn silverware into pure gold.
Little highlights this transformation better than the club’s London offices, housed in an anonymous Mayfair building, a stone’s throw from the Ritz hotel and with international hedge fund wheeler dealers as neighbours.
Old Trafford remains the centre of football operations, but this suite of offices is where the Red Devils cash in on the likes of Wayne Rooney and Nani’s superstar status.
An investigation into how the club has transformed itself into a £1.2billion franchise shows why the much-maligned Glazer family, who bought the club in 2005 and saddled it with huge debts, have hung on.
Only Google, Apple, the BBC, Dyson and Facebook are better known brands, marketing experts revealed recently, making it a bigger draw to advertisers than Coca Cola and Microsoft.
The numbers involved are staggering. The club’s estimated worldwide following is 333 million with 92 million in Asia, which is why the team often heads to the Far East for money spinning close-season tours.
The club’s turnover has crashed through the £100million barrier and experts estimate the value of the United brand alone as £412million, up from £197million in 2005.
It now has more than 20 “official partners” from US sportswear giant Nike and German car manufacturer Audi to Turkish Airlines and Chilean wine brand Casillero del Diablo.
But United’s business success is summed up by the shirt sponsorship. US financial giant AON has paid an estimated £20million a year for four seasons, 9,900% up on the £200,000 Sharp electronics paid back in 1992.
Just last month, a two-year £2million tie-up was announced with Du, a mobile phone firm in the United Arab Emirates, where an estimated 500,000 fans live.
It all began in earnest when the secretive Glazers moved in, convinced that United could be bigger than huge US sports brands such as the New York Yankees baseball team.
Since then, revenue has more than doubled, helping annual profits rise to £110million in the 12 months to the end of June this year.
Manchester United Ltd has a whole floor off Piccadilly, London, with a 70-strong sales and marketing team who are adept at striking lucrative sponsorship deals.
Commercial director Richard Arnold said recently: “We’ve only just started. There is a lot more to come. United has huge future potential.”
Firms are willing to pay big money to get in bed with United. Parcel giant DHL is spending a reported £40million in a four-year deal to sponsor the team’s training kit – for good reason.
When Wilkinson Sword launched a Manchester United-branded razor in Japan it sold 1.6 million units in just six weeks.
Tim Crow, of Synergy Sponsorship, which helped broker the deal, said: “United appeal to a huge number of people around the world. They have a bigger following then anybody else.
“Where we have used Manchester United, it has been extremely successful.”
Mr Crow said another key difference about the club is the quality of its power brokers, highlighted by a deal it clinched with another sponsor, Betfair.
He said: “We negotiated with another top-six club and their behaviour was absolutely terrible. They were completely disorganised.
“With United, you are dealing with a religion. You’ve got all that history in the club, that is what makes it worth what it is and that is what United understand.”
Dave Chattaway of Brand Finance, which calculates the value of brands, said: “Like them or hate them, it’s hard to dispute the business success story of the Glazer reign at Old Trafford.
“One of the key factors is the fact they have Sir Alex Ferguson. The Glazers have given him the resources for him to deliver consistent on-pitch success, which feeds the off-pitch expertise.”
The next stage in the Glazers’ plan is a rumoured stock market flotation that could value the club at £1.8billion. Reports have suggested they are willing to sell 25% of the club via a listing on the Singapore stock exchange, rather than in London.
Critics claim the Glazers will use income from the sale to cut their personal debts, rather then plough it back into the club.
Figures for Red Football Joint Venture, the Glazer company that controls United, show a loss of £108.9million in the year to the end of June.
At the same count, the club itself still had net debts of £358million and paid out £43.5million in interest alone last year, much to the disgust of fans.
Andy Green, a fund manager who writes a United blog called Andersred, keeps a close watch on the club’s finances.
He said: “The brand is being tarted around continuously. It’s ridiculous when you see an official wine partner, an official office supply partner. There has to be a limit to the number of brands you can hitch on to the United bandwagon.
“How far do you take it? Will there be an official washing powder? It just gets silly.”
Hostility to the Glazers’ ownership has waned, but Mr Green said fans are still angry at the debts dumped on the club and are anxious about what the future holds.
He said: “Yes, there is less hostility, but it doesn’t change the fact that, so far, it has cost more than £400million in interest, debt repayments and bank fees.
“That is enough for every fan to go free to every game, all season, for four years. It is a staggering amount of money.
“You need to ask why the club has had enormous success off the pitch in the past five years. Because it has won stuff on the pitch. Has it won stuff on the pitch because of the Glazers? Of course it hasn’t.”
Such criticism and concerns from fans are unlikely to deter the Americans. When you own one of the world’s biggest brands, it’s almost a licence to print money.
10 Nov 2011 17:40:21
Stop trying to be difficult, you cannot compare to players from two different positions. Is Cech a better player than Drogba?
Sydney!
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dear sir sydney-knew-it-all,
in their prime,both of cech n drogba is great in their position.it's hard to compare bcoz they r both good.but if u ask me who is better between anderson n casillas,it will be casillas.n i think u also will choose casillas.who is better,ronaldo or carrick?can u answer that question?if u can then u r hypocrite coz both of them play in different position.but if u can't answer that question,then u r fool bcoz everybody know that ronaldo is much better than carrick.
p/s: it always hard to compare 2 great player even if they play in same position.in their prime,who is better,casillas or buffon?
SinCaraMask !
10 Nov 2011 17:16:31
Stop trying to be difficult, you cannot compare to players from two different positions. Is Cech a better player than Drogba?
Sydney!
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dear sir sydney-knew-it-all,
in their prime,both of cech n drogba is great in their position.it's hard to compare bcoz they r both good.but if u ask me who is better between anderson n casillas,it will be casillas.n i think u also will choose casillas.who is better,ronaldo or carrick?can u answer that question?if u can then u r hypocrite coz both of them play in different position.
SinCaraMask !
10 Nov 2011 17:16:03
any news on davide petrucci he is 20 would have though he would be in the first team by now..
10 Nov 2011 17:01:10
Tomasz kuszczak... The best paid slave in history
10 Nov 2011 16:40:46
What do people make of Jordi Alba's comments today? When asked if he knew about the United rumours, he replied;
"I cannot say anything as I am focused on playing well for Valencia," he said.
"My representatives are there to handle everything that happens at a higher level. I am not thinking about these things because I do not know if they are true or not.
"I am very happy here and I only think about maintaining and then improving. Anything else is for my representatives to deal with."
Alba is reportedly being lined up for a new contract at Valencia, as they attempt to fend off the interest in his services, but he is remaining tight-lipped regarding his future.
"I have heard these rumours, but I don't know," he said.
"All I want is to play and to do as well as I can on the pitch. My representatives and Valencia will speak when the time comes."
Sydney!
10 Nov 2011 15:00:13
Lewis Holtby and Douglas Costa would be affordable signings in January and Holtby is available in the Champions League but Costa is not.
MUMBAI_BOY
10 Nov 2011 14:14:51
Might be out of context with todays postings but been on my mind... been reading a lot lately of how sir Alex is a prime example of why managers need more time. This is false and undermining. If the other managers had what he had they would have had more time. The qualities of the man, his ability both with his job and with those around him bought him more time in those shakey years before the first trophy. What he did at aberdeen was truly incredible and one of the greatest football achievements in history. Without the quality of the man there would have been no patience. I hope everyone recognizes how great and that it will be in the mindset of the man to build another great team and to stop bleating on about the failings of our midfield, when slowly but surely changes are being made and with sydney I agree that it isn't just pick a target and send a taxi for him. If it takes three years to find build grow from within a mid that will last ten years then I'm patient I know those who work with him had and have faith and so should we, that the mid is not if but when. If i'm wrong i'll go support blackpool ..constantine..
10 Nov 2011 14:10:44
What about sandro from tottenham, good young player, champs league experience, could use ferdinand as a make way. Then we can invest in Subtic from dortmund, maybe use berba in that deal.
aaallj5
10 Nov 2011 14:03:19
But do I believe he will be as important or more important now? Probably not simply because Rodwell will do the jobs which will go unnoticed to fans, much like Carrick has done for the past few years at United. People remember the flair of a player like Wilshere or Cleverley, but no one remembers the breaking up of play that Carrick or Rodwell will do. Is that a fair enough answer mate?
Sydney!
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do u remember 1 player with the name Claude Makalele?he is so good in breaking up play even the role he played is name after him.so my point is if u r good enough,no matter which role u play,people will always remember u.
SinCaraMask
10 Nov 2011 13:58:31
Did anyone else read that Mail article on Vidic? If you want a laugh, you should have a look at it. Apparently, SAF will 'offload' Vidic to Real Madrid because he's not 'committed' enough to Manchester United. The man who was recently named captain, isn't committed enough. The man who recently retired from International football to concentrate on his club football, isn't committed enough. The Mail even offer Jaap Stam's transfer away from United as an example of SAF's willingness to let top CB's leave. Even though Sir Alex has said, on more than one occasion, that getting rid of Stam when he did, was one of his biggest mistakes. I guess the International football week is to blame for articles like this. The papers have nothing else to write about.
Matthew...
10 Nov 2011 13:47:33
syd,
i think i remember quite clearly that u said rodwell is a better prospect than wilshere.u still think the same?
SinCaraMask
10 Nov 2011 11:49:11
a question for sydney
i remember that u once said that rodwell will be better n important player for england than wilshere.do u still think the same now?please be honest.dont be bias just bcoz wilshere is a gunner.
SinCaraMask
10 Nov 2011 11:48:36
Can anybody put my mind at rest about pogba,EDS anybody
ste73 {Ed002's Note - I have explained what I know about the approaches made to to two French clubs by an "associate" on several occasions - feel free to test out the search function.}
10 Nov 2011 10:59:33
doesnt anyone else think we should use this 40 million on wilshere instead of sneijder? imagine a midfield of wilshire, cleverley and morrison in 2-3 years, we'd have quality in the middle then. then add nani, rooney and young up top. we'd also have a good bench with valencia, hernandez, pogba etc. what does everyone reckon?
likkle duggo
10 Nov 2011 10:41:51
Seydou Keita out of contract in the summer what do we think? 31, but good experience and half decent, if its for free
aaallj5
10 Nov 2011 10:36:29
How many of u all think that chica is just good with finishing and just cant hold the ball,... everytime he gets d ball he falls down and pleads that "it was foul ref",even his passing somtimes is not good.. plzzz prove me wrong
10 Nov 2011 09:55:16
Does anyone know about 18yr old BEN DAVIES from DERBY COUNTY??? HWZ this lad? {Ed001's Note - the lad who joined them in January from Notts County?}
10 Nov 2011 08:43:08
I see that Mateo Kovacic's and Sotiris Ninis' contracts are set to expire at the end of the Season. Do we think there are possible moves on the Cards here, I remember a while back we had claimed some interest in Ninis and Kovacic would be a great buy for the future!
Sanshine
10 Nov 2011 06:41:11
HI GUYS...
i ll like to suggest some names that wud be cheaper and prove good.. some of them are FWDS which we actually dnt need but still have a look...
1.Kevin gamerio
2.Michel BASTOS(28yr old but still can fir well)
3.RASMUS ELM
4.MOUSSA SOW
5.Leandro Damiao
6.VIDAL
7.FARFAN
10 Nov 2011 00:48:05
Over the next two windows i'd love to see us sign:
Alba/Izaguirre, Khedira/Asamoah, Brek Shea and Van Wolfswinkel
With Evra, Giggs, Fletcher, Park, Macheda, Diouf, Berbatov, Owen, Gibson and Kusczcak leaving along with possibly Carrick Anderson and Ferdinand depending on form over the rest of the season.
Shappy