Manchester United Banter Archive October 10 2013

10 Oct 2013 18:34:15
Is Pogba on the move again? Juve have said that they won't be able to keep him if a big offer comes in. I think he was right to leave the club given the treatment of him and I for one would welcome him back if we could sort out his differences with the club. With a new man in charge who is handing opportunities to youngsters I think his head could be turned back this way.

10 Oct 2013 19:08:45
Fresh mate you need to read everything. They are currently negoitiating a new deal for him. What was said was that with the current state of Italian football that it would be hard for Juve to keep hold of Pogba in a two or three years time. And he pointed out AC Milan had to sell both Tiago Silva and Ibrahimovic to PSG.

So I wouldn't get your hopes up.

Pogba will go where the money is. I see him at City sooner or later as a long-term replacement for Yaya. I suspect there will be at least one more big money move first.

Nani and 20m?
Very unlikely, but Moyes bringing him back would be great publicity for him and Pogba is a good player and what we need.
I can see him leaving in the summer if Juve need money but his most likely destination will be Monaco or PSG for their 'project'

I understand what was said Shappy. I'm just speculating and hoping.

I agree Fresh, when he left I was gutted, It was obvious he was quality and even at the age of 20 is much better then Fellaini. Would be nice if he did come back but I think he is a mercenary type player and doubt he will be anywhere other then PSG, City, Monaco or Madrid within the next 5 years.

I don't think Pogba will come back, a player only gets 1 chance at united and they look at the player as a person, if he did what he did before he left contract wise (united fault really letting it can so close to the end of the contract) I don't think moyes would be interested as its the whole package not just what he does on a football pitch (which in theory is a shame) i.e. if bolatelli was the best footballer in the world united wouldn't sign him as what he is like as a person

i feel pogba has had his chance which is a shame! what do you think eds? {Ed007's Note - I can't see him returning to Utd. I rely on you guys to keep me up to date with up and coming youth players at Utd and I hadn't seen much of Pogba at all until his move to Italy. I can certainly see why most of you heaped so much praise on him.}

Best player to walk through the ranks since scholes IMO and should have been thrown in despite what many in here thought.

10 Oct 2013 22:18:39
Fair enough Fresh mate. We all need to keep hold of hope. But I just don't see him ever returning. I expect him to stay at Juve for another couple of years at which point he'll either move to one of PSG or Monaco or he'll head to Spain with Real Madrid. I don't see him returning to England and if he did I can only see him going to City unfortunately.

I think we need to learn our lessons with Pogba.

First off we need to be giving minutes to exceptional lads in our academy. We may need to trim the sqaud in order to do that. But ultimately we don't need players who aren't good enough or players who offer very little taking playing time away from talented young lads who could be special.

Secondly I think its madness that we only give these young players like Pogba and Januzaj a three year contract upon joining our academy. At the end of the day we've gone to a lot of trouble to bring these lads in, its obvious that they are going to take a year or two before they are going to be ready for the first team. At which point they only have a year left on their contract and we get stuck in this awful position.

I understand why the club maybe don't wanna give then a long term contract in case they don't turn out to be all that. But maybe a three year deal with a two year option for us to automatically extend it would be a better idea.

Shappy
under 18 you can only sign a three year contract

11 Oct 2013 10:48:29
Cheers Jred, I actually remembered that after I posted last night.

I think we need to do more when they turn 18 to give them a longer contract. Even if that means lining the pockets of a few agents.

Apparently Pogbas agent got 5m for getting him to sign for Juve, I say apparently as no ones knows exactly how much he got. But one thing is for sure, Juve gave the agent more money than we were prepared to give him.

The result being that we lose Pogba to Juve where he's now valued at over 20m and we spend 27m on Fellaini.

If we just gave Pogbas agent the 5m Juve supposedly gave him than we would be 22m better off and have Pogba playing for us week in week out instead of Fellaini.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but nothing can be done over Pogba now. But knowing what we know now would you rather us give Januzajs agent 5m and get him tied down to a 5/6 year contract or do we want to spend another 25m on a player who probably won't be as good?

I know i'd rather tie him down now. Even if things didn't work out for the lad I could see his sell on value would being more than that as he is quality. But the loss of Pogba was a big deal and I know he would have been immense for us if he was given the chance.
Paying Pogba's agent 5 million and giving him game time would have been a tricky situation. We are known to dislike dealing with greedy agents so that would have been the biggest stumbling block. That and Pogba's lack of patience.
If Pogba was still at united now he would be getting game time.

11 Oct 2013 22:03:01
Whilst he is a good player, I hope we never go back for him. IMO he is trouble and as Ed02 has pointed him leaving had nothing to do playing time.


I agree with syd he will go where the money is and we will never be where the most money is. City, chelsea, monaco, PSG is where he will end up. Does Anelka ring a bell for anyone?

10 Oct 2013 12:01:34
My Italian mate has been on at me to look at a young Brazilian lad called Allan currently playing for Udinese.

I've looked up about as much as I can about him, his stats seem interesting. They show him to be a solid passer, who atempts many dribbles from midfield, and he puts in a lot of tackles and interceptions. He could be someone who could maybe add some drive to our midfield.

So i'll start watching him and see what he's like. I was just wondering whether anyone on here has watched much of him, and if so what they think of him?

Allan is a player I've had my eye on ever since he moved to Udinese last season.

Technically speaking, he is a superb player. He likes to get his head down and dribble past players which is something we lack in our midfield atm.

Unfortunately, he tends to be dispossessed more often than a central midfielder should and could be hazardous. And his passing in the final third isn't the best.

If I was to compare him to a player, it would be to Chelsea's Oscar.

He is neither a great tackler nor a great interceptor but he works extremely hard and covers a lot of ground. And his best attribute, imo, is his long range passing. He hits 30 yards passes and switches play at will.

All in all, I don't think he is creative enough to be a number 10 but if he can sort out his decision making in midfield and know when to dribble and when to pass, he would become a world class player

10 Oct 2013 19:00:10
Cheers Mick, I thought you'd probably know abit about him. It seems if I don't know about a player then you do. I think we should be part of Moyes new scouting set up. Between us we'd know about most players of interest anywhere in the world. Lol.

Perhaps you guys should send In your CVS, I reckon the Eds would give you a reference.

Well what's comforting is that we can't do a worst job than the current scouting team now can we?

Shappy is your mate champ manager?

11 Oct 2013 08:53:47
Mick the red fireman, I doubt he plays games like that but its not completely out the question. But he was always more of an out doors kinda guy.

I have several friends from different countries due to me spending several years of my youth living abroad and going to an international school. We were all brought together by our love of the beautiful game and we all adopted each others teams. that's why I have a fondness for Juve, Dortmund, Ajax and River Plate.

But this does mean that I have several friends dotted around the world who obviously watch a lot of their own league football. Then when we talk we speak about up and coming players in our own leagues. That where I get tips on players from.

Shappy, you don't need to justify yourself to anyone on here, mate.

At least you make an effort, rather than just come on bitching and moaning about who we haven't signed this week.

StevieK

10 Oct 2013 08:36:56
Who thinks Lingard, Henriquez and Michael Keane will break through 1st team next season? That's 5 new youngsters including Zaha and Adnan already capped a little bit of 1st team football. I'm excited to see how Zaha and Adnan will fit into the first team this season, but surely next season will have much more to watch and be excited about! Hope Varela gets his loan spell sooner and gets his chance next season too.

Henriquez is 2 years away from being ready to be starter and is more likely going to be used as cover for Van Persie if Chicha decides to move ( and who could blame him ).

Lingard needs a premier league loan ( hopefully in the second half of the season ) and should be ready to be a first team player, but not a starter.

Michael Keane did great at Leicester and needs a premier league loan, hopefully in January since Rio is still here for cover, and with Evans, vidic, Jones and Smalling, we don't lack defenders.

Zaha and Adnan should already be first teamers and replace Valencia and Young in the squad.

10 Oct 2013 01:59:16
Some weird, hopefully just coincidental trivia

In 1988 Liverpool won the league by 9 points.
In 1989 Liverpool had the title snatched from their grasp by a last minute goal.
In 1990 Liverpool strolled to yet another league title.
Liverpool then replaced their successful Scottish manager with another Scottish manager.

In 2011 we won the league by 9 points.
In 2012 we had the title snatched from their grasp by a last minute goal.
In 2013 we strolled to yet another league title.
We've replaced our Scottish manager with another Scottish manager.

Sulei {Ed007's Note - LFC replaced a Scottish ex-Celtic player (KD) with a Scottish ex-Rangers player (GS) and Utd have replaced a Scottish ex-Rangers player (AF) with a Scottish ex-Celtic player (DM).

So what your saying is we are going to go through the next 20 odd years without a league title :(

That is incredible Sulei.

With Moyes in charge, there is every possibility!