Manchester United Banter Archive June 11 2014

11 Jun 2014 22:13:13
Hearing rumours of a 50+ million bid for Cavani? Is there any truth in this or any interest at all in Cavani?

11 Jun 2014 21:46:23
I saw the Strootman or Song debate that people had the other day and I've thought of one that could cause discussion fit the posters/eds, how about Konoplyanka or Depay, both players could flourish should they sign for us

Konoplyanka. Serious talent.

11 Jun 2014 19:26:41
Hay guys, there's a lot of big names bin chucked about by the media, there's not many players we ain't bin linked with. But none of them are realistic, the likes of cavani, muller, fabregas, hummels, ect. ect. I don't believe these players are attainable. We need to be looking at realistic targets to get us back in the champs league. This is my opinion on realistic targets.

Luke shaw. This guy is a must! I will be devastated if we miss out on this gem, 30million could be a bargain for the next big star,, don't concern your selfs with wages bin quoted in the papers. To get the best you have to pay the best

Strootman. He isn't a world beater but is miles better than anything we have, the big problem is the injury, it could take the season to find his form, and can we afford that time? Maybe one for next year.

Kroos. Great player, he is available, but the problem is REAL MADRID! But this could open more doors if Kroos goes to Madrid,,, this would see modric, isco, khadira, all become available

Miranda. 29 years of age, will be 30 come the start of the season, I've not paid much attention to this one because it seams like agents after more money. But would be a short term fix, witch is what we need or we could turn into spurs, Liverpool,, we need to get back into the top 4 ASAP

12 Jun 2014 00:01:26
Shaw costs 30 million + and is severely overrated because he's English. Chelsea have signed Diego costa for 32 million who is world class, shaw is far from it.

He will also get payed 100 k a week which will only raise as he gets on

Bad deal all round imo

My Lee Sigh Russ

Diego Costa has one good season and is world class? explain that to me please.

Luke Shaw is still a month away from his 19th birthday and will be representing his country at the world cup! He has Prem experience and has the potential to be a main-stay in our team for years to come.

30 Million for him would be very good business. Wages would be a lot lower than the papers 160k pw.

12 Jun 2014 09:40:39
Marmite-mclovin I bet you are terrified at turning in to a champions league team mate, hope we get you in the champ. oh

Don't worry Russ it isn't your money.

12 Jun 2014 10:29:15
MLSR,

What a load of rubbish, guessing you aren't a united fan? You have no idea about the deal, why say it is 30 million + when you don't know what it will be?

We are in desperate need of a top class left back, he would be that player, so he is worth every penny in my opinion. Hopefully we get that wrapped up and there are more to come.

11 Jun 2014 21:04:11
Big congrats to Anders Lindegaard; he got married today! :)

{Ed007's Note - Poor sod.}

Haha classic that Bond, his life is over!

He will be having a good night though :)

11 Jun 2014 22:32:22
Aye, Syd. His last one for a while.

11 Jun 2014 16:30:27
Hey guys, I know we have a few Irish followers on here so was just wondering if you, or indeed anyone else, watched the Portugal/Ireland game last night? Aside from our fairly poor showing, I was very impressed by Carvalho. Probably the first time I sat down and watched him since before Christmas. Great engine and his first touch and movement in a congested midfield have improved a lot.

11 Jun 2014 17:10:45
You been standing up and watching him most of this year mate?

Brilliant GD.

He did his bit had a decent game the defensive midfield postition never really grabs attention he looks suited to Portugals 3 man midfield

11 Jun 2014 20:56:36
Haha GDS.

I don't think youcan judge someone after a game against Ireland as they are pretty rubbish.

11 Jun 2014 15:25:19
So with Barca wrapping up Rakitic, and Madrid in the process of tying up a few deals, it looks like Salgado's insight about the transfer strategy of the "big clubs" was right on the money GCU. From where I'm sitting it looks like United are the only 'big' club struggling to secure their targets.

Also, Gan the Penguin king, what happened to those certain signings? You weren't just blowing smoke up peoples' backside were you?

Danny, there is one little nugget of wisdom in there for all of us. Barca and RM have always had money available to SPEND, haven't found "no value" in the market, closed deals with minimum fuss. If we (United) don't shape up, we ship out.

Deeps.

Exactly Deeps, there's a reason that the big clubs stay big clubs, and if the club doesn't back up its talk with actions this summer it will be a hard slog back to the top echelon.

There is a lot of time left, but honestly I am a litte tired. Last season we had the excuse of Moyes coming in late and not getting a chance to assess the squad etc. This year Van Gaal - WC - Assess the squad again. I find it hard to believe that good established managers have no clue what re-inforcements we need. Woody has spoken like an person all along about how players are willing to come etc etc, if he does not back that up and I believe he may have the Glazer's blessings, we are in trouble mate.

Deeps.

Deeps

Real have done nothing and it all will get pretty busy after the world cup or as teams start gong home and players are back to reality.

Danny

You can be as immature as they come. I would think it would be interesting for people to hear what a top international who has won every medal has to say.

You can be an ignorant little sh. t and to be honest I could not care what a pimple on a rabbits ass thought, when you think one so so transfer by Barcelona is contradicting what he said.

No one of any major significance has moved anywhere but only the press speculating and guys like you blowing their load before you even get started. It is called pre- mature ;;;;; and I recommend you go see someone about it.

Shahram, I have no comments about the timing of transfers. For Real and Barca, it is whenever they want. My problem is with how we dither. Time and again we have commited the same old mistakes in the transfer market, so much so that now it looks scripted and orchestrated by the Glazers. Real and Barca are light years ahead of us and there is a reason behind the same. I agree with you that the transfer activity post the WC will intensify, my issue is that I don't have any faith in Woody. Look at Shaw, I am sure we will get him, but if this was a team like RM, they would have wrapped up the deal by now.

I firmly believe Moyes was short changed in terms of transfers, it looks eerily similar this year as well.

Deeps.

Deeps

I will agree with you come end of august and if we look like we have f. ked it again.

I think the press reports is what is getting everyone riled up and many of the players being mentioned are not our targets, whether we think they should be or not. Look at the number of teams and players and we have had 2 players move that you would consider of any significance.

I think we will see major players moving from, Bayern, Real, Barca, PSG, Juve, City, Chelsea, Athletico which will set in motion a series of big names moving clubs. I am pretty sure we will be in there for players but given we have a new manager it is impossible to guess what he is after.

I had a pretty good Idea what Moyes was after but now will wait and see I guess.

GCU, I'm glad I got a rise out of you at least.

But my point, as I said at the time, is that United don't behave like a big club in the transfer market. Big clubs aren't going to wait until after the World Cup if they want to sign a player, they just go out and do it: like Chelsea with Costa, PSG with Luiz, Barca with Rakitic, and when Real inevitably sign Kroos.

Big clubs target a player, and if the player wants to move they usually wrap things up quickly. United for the last few summers, on the other hand, target players but faf around until the deal goes cold. We finished 7 last season, lost our captain, and I don't think any top club in Europe is in such a drastic need of a rebuild. Yet, the club seems incapable of securing a single target.

Plus the I also wanted to point out that Salgado is about as useful a source for transfer info as Jonny Twitter.

Gcu. Re comment that you knew who moyes wanted. I'm not sure moyes knew who he wanted so how would you know? He was useless and thankfully he's gone.
Re transfers, I think the point Danny and deeps were making is us dithering in the market and unfortunately that has been the case.
Ps. No need for all the personal insults. Enjoy your summer and chill out!

11 Jun 2014 14:54:35
hi all,
based on what we know for sure, cesc sanchez pedro konylo. pogba shaw kroos, mandzukic, depay isco claisse, griezman, indi, garay carvalho reus Miranda appear to be available for the right price although many of these guys will have multiple options some more attractive than us at the moment I don't know for sure if we have expressed an interest in some of these
Other players Ed002 has confirmed we have an interest in but may not be as readily available for a set price are Barkley, koke vidal, cavanni, hummels Kheidra and schweinsteiger

reading all the press reports today it appears that Madrid are favourites for Kroos and possibly veratti, Do they also want vidal Modric and alonso?
so that leaves PSG our main opposition for Pogba
Chelsea our main opposition for cesc /kheidra
Barca for Hummels and reus. Ed002 says BD want to hang on to hummels so I can't see barca getting both if reus goes perhaps Kagawa going back to BD to replace reus would help us get Hummels
Juve out top oppisition for sanchez 50m + nani or chich for vidal is something that nobody else would be prepared to match my guess is sanchez would also come to us if vidal were here.

On this basis perhaps the most achievable to us could possibly be shaw schweinsteiger, Hummels, sanchez and dare I say it Vidal if we offer the right OTT terms to players and sellers alike.
3 from the 5 above + maybe a couple of the more talented younger players from the Dutch squad would be a fantastic summer.

{Ed002's Note - You are making a lot of this up Ken - wishful thinking or clutching at straws I don't know.}

11 Jun 2014 15:34:17
Ken,

I was a bit bored today, so I made a list of everyone we have been linked with and used the rough transfer figures being banded around and worked out that should we get all of our transfer targets, it would cost circa. £762m. Ed Woodward better get his ass in gear!

11 Jun 2014 15:41:46
perhaps a bit of both Ed :), although a lot of it is based on fact and my own personal opinion however I must admit I am fascinated and I am intrigued by all the posturing and rumour/counter rumour.
However I am very comfortable with our new managerial appointment and I am 100% certain that he will dramatically improve our style of play and results no matter who comes in or not whatever the case maybe. He will upset a few (no harm there) he will also rekindle the careers of a few.
Anyway the WC kicks off tomorrow and I'm looking forward to it, I'm supporting 3 teams Chile Columbia and Belgium. let's hope we all have something better to talk about over the next few weeks than all the ifs buts and maybe's of the transfer window.

{Ed002's Note - I remain nervous about van Gaal. It will take three windows to get the team really well placed going forward. Good luck with your picks - I obviously have to keep an eye on the USA results.}

11 Jun 2014 16:11:17
Ed, do you mind me asking why you are nervous about LVG? I know he is not everybodys cup of tea but he is a top class coach and gets the best out of those that believe in him. He has his run ins but that's a trait that SAF had in abundance. Personally I think he is the perfect man at this time. He has inherited a squad who need someone to look up to someone to believe in and someone who can show them out of trouble. The ones he chooses to work with will be putty in his hands as for the rest, 'well they won't matter' that's his way.

{Ed002's Note - Not worth the grief me explaining again Ken - the vegetables are back out.}

11 Jun 2014 16:13:05
tough group for the USA but they are a tough nut to crack for any team and they may sneak through. just maybe. ;o)

11 Jun 2014 13:23:38
Quick question for eds. Bit of a change as well. But do you know if there is any interest from other clubs in any of our current players? Or which of the current squad are available? Appreciated as always.

11 Jun 2014 12:12:14
Hello eds, do u know anything about cavini are we interested in him?

{Ed002's Note - There is nothing worth saying at this time.}

11 Jun 2014 12:04:27
I'd love to see us sign Bruno Martins Indi, just so we can have a central defensive of Indi and a Jones. Lol.

Very good mate as long as Jones doesn't play on the left side of the pairing

Could we not then get Anderson back in the midfield to act as Short Round!

11 Jun 2014 10:11:36
Hi Ed's

Is it true Thomas Muller has signed a new contract at Bayern?

Thanks

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}

Thanks Ed, will this have any impact on the futures of Kroos or Schweinsteiger?

{Ed002's Note - Kroos will almost certainly leave.}

11 Jun 2014 08:24:19
So we are interested in Fabregas but he sees Chelsea as a more attractive destination. I think it must be the same with Kroos and Real Madrid. To me, that could be the only possible scenario. Van Gaal may have his systems and tactics but players like Kroos and Fabregas will ofcourse be of interest to him, especially looking at the state of our midfield.

Maybe we would bite the bullet and pay a huge sum for Vidal or Pogba? It all seems difficult right now with respect to midfield, although the transfer window is not open yet.

Thing is all this is fueled by no nothing reporters and fake personter ITK's, truth is there are few trustworthy reporters out there that actually know much, Ogden and Drucker appear the best.
Lets face it who can believe red tops about anything?

London was always going to attract Cesc and his family more than Manchester. Unless MU offer significantly more than Chelsea in wages for Cesc, he will move there.

I believe they still have an house in London which his missus stays at quite regularly. If that is the case then money plus location plus UCL football is going to beat just money.

If we miss out on Kroos then that is poor business by us. If reports are to be believed we could have got him a month ago, but we messed him around. Would be a real shame.

{Ed002's Note - You need to move on Syd.}

Move onto who Ed? Who's next on the MU wishlist? Is it true that we have an interest in Veratti?

{Ed002's Note - Marco Verratti's move to PSG in the summer was unexpected as all indications were for a move to Juventus. If he were available there would be plenty of clubs interested, not least Juventus. There has been some interest at various levels from Inter, Arsenal and Monaco. Whilst PSG were looking to have him sign a new contract they are prepared to let him go to Juventus as part of a deal for Pogba or for the significant offer that Real Madrid are now negotiating.}

Thanks for that Ed, do RM want both Veratti and Kroos or will it be one or the other in your opinion? Also what does that mean for Modric? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - It means nothing for Modric. Sami Khedira and probably Isco will be making way.}

Whilst we are a huge club with a big pull for signings it is frustrating the amount of players we have potentially lost down the years by not being in the London area.
I guess the flip side is that players who do come in genuinely want to be here.

Ed, are Chelsea interested in Isco AND Cesc or will it be one or the other? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Obviously there is interest in Fabregas. If Oscar is to leave Chelsea will be interested in Isco.}

Does Jose see Cesc as a Pogba, Vidal, Khedira type midfielder? I thought Chelsea wanted a more defensive type midfielder to partner Matic and/or Ramires?

{Ed002's Note - I have zero interest in fantasy football and tactics Syd.}

Yeah it is frustrating. Obviously it must be down to families and some ignorant education, because what difference do clubs & pubs make to pro footballers that take their career's seriously? Probably more and better golf courses outside of London as well. Also safer to bring up families outside of the city.

I can't imagine too many footballers want to move to London for the arts & heritage of the city, so it's just a typical naïve attitude, saying and doing it because it's what people expect. Fine when retired but no point when you are a pro footballer.

Maybe I am missing something though.

I hope to God we don't go for Khadeira.

11 Jun 2014 13:11:45
Ed002 - would we be interested in Oscar do you know? I think maybe some sort of deal with Rooney could be viable, as Mourinho clearly still is greasing the wheels with comments here and there.

IMO Rooney doesn't fit the new assumed United system too well and Oscar would be a far better option.

{Ed002's Note - You are clutching at straws.}