Manchester United Banter Archive May 11 2018

 

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11 May 2018 21:20:36
Looking at Herrera last night he is improving with the few games under his belt. He made numerous covering tackles last night. Hope he plays in the final next week.

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11 May 2018 14:12:17
On a more positive note from y'day, Lindelof seems to gradually be getting better, started playing well as the season's gone on. CB options of Bailly, Toby, Jones and Lindelof would be pretty decent for next season. He also seems to be quite comfortable on the ball, unlike jelly legs Smalling.

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11 May 2018 16:08:59
Smalling has to go . Jones also could be shown the door they just can't be trusted. Sorry to say it but there are better players to fill their positions at the club let alone with other teams . 😆😆.

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11 May 2018 18:06:56
I like Jones, injuries have hampered him more than anything, would still like him as an option rather than selling him.

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11 May 2018 18:25:44
if Smalling doesn't make the world cup squad then i reckon he would want to leave.

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11 May 2018 19:05:29
Smalling seems to be jose’s Number 1 cb of late. He needs to go he is good for a few games but has a mistake in him. But seems Jose is a fan which is infuriating.

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11 May 2018 20:37:40
Bailly will be gone in the summer, Jose has had a miki rift with him apparently.

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11 May 2018 22:10:30
Sackable if he sells bailly. A blind man could see he is head and shoulders above any of our other cbs. We have been crying out for a player like him since Vidic and losing him would turn all the fans against him. I don’t think he will leave but it is very baffling why he isn’t playing.

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11 May 2018 23:11:32
A lot of murmurings many players will be gone. Andy mitten has alluded to players being un happy with the restraints put on them.

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12 May 2018 08:51:37
Good the sooner these unhappy players leave the better. Some of them are useless anyway.

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12 May 2018 10:30:45
Rumour is bust up with bailly .
When was the last time so many players wanted to leave a top club like United.

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12 May 2018 12:36:54
When was the last time a United squad put in a title challenge.

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12 May 2018 17:41:37
I seem to remember some very lazy defending against Stoke which led to Choupo-Moting's first goal and probably cost us 2 points. For whatever the reason - injury, illness, psychological, relationship - Bailly has failed to impress this season. Meanwhile, despite Rojo being absent most of the year, Jones being out a fair amount, Lindelhof finding it difficult to settle at the beginning, and having to rely on Smalling, along with Darmian, Shaw, Young and Valencia as fullbacks, we have the 2nd best defensive record in the league.

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11 May 2018 12:42:56
Anyone else see John Toshack blame Mourinho for Swansea's relegation? Then get a Sky Sports headline saying 'is he right'? And they wonder why Jose gives them s**t replies in his conferences, they really do hate him🤬.

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11 May 2018 14:14:56
Media is crooked. Toshack did not blame mourinho he just pointed out that after mourinho's praise Swansea went on a really bad run and the manager and team got complacent due to the praise.

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11 May 2018 15:14:53
I didn't bother reading the article after seeing the headline CSM.

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11 May 2018 11:55:48
Morning. Haven't posted for a while, try to only focus on 1 area when I do but a few things have come up on here and in the media which I'm going to throw my 2 pennies worth in to now!

1) Transfer targets - I'm seeing we need a LB, RB, CB, CM, LM. Last night showed we need a 2nd striker. For everyones comments that Rashford and Martial should get a chance through the middle, I simply cannot see past them as wide left players. They need to be in 1 v 1 situations with space behind the FB to run in to and use their pace. Or cutting in off the left to strike with their right foot, Henry esque (Not comparing them to Henry before people jump on that! ) Through the middle they don't dominate CB's physically, don't hold the ball up and quite simply, aren't intelligent to make runs in behind whilst staying on side. They are best coming in off the flanks and in behind the FB's. Sanchez drops to deep and that was hindering us last night. We need an out and out striker who can play as an understudy to Lukaku. Who? I'm not sure realistically there is but when Lukaku is not playing, we have a problem.

2) Sanchez got dug out by Neville last night for dropping to deep and his analysis was correct but I can't be over critical of Sanchez because for once it was refreshing to see a player wanting to get on the ball as much as he did rather than hiding. It's just a shame it caused us problems when he did or ball went wide as we had no one in the box which reiterates my point 1, the need for a CF.

3)Martial - Sell or keep? My issue with Martial is not his ability or potential but his desire. He has been given chances and shows flashes of what he can do but now in his 3rd? season, he has to be more consistent. I just don't believe he has the mentality and desire to knuckle down, show some grit and start dominating games. Ability is not in doubt but mentally came he cope with a club of Manchester United's size and the focus they are consistently under? Not sure? This leads on to number.

4)Jose selling Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku. The worry for people is that these three were all sold by Jose and now look at them. However, Salah didn't leave and become and overnight success, he went to Italy for 3 seasons and done well in a lesser league, at smaller clubs which probably helped him develop, would he have developed like that at Chelsea? We will never know. De Bruyne, went to Germany, a lesser league, to lesser teams. Lukaku stayed in the Premier League but developed at lesser teams. Point being, sometimes players 't handle the pressure of being at a big club, being under constant scrutiny by fans, pundits and the media so a move away where there is less pressure and players can develop at there own pace is good for them. Look at Depay now. Players who weren't developed at big clubs but are brought in at a young age don't know the pressure, the expectations, the standards that massive and successful clubs have and therefore, essentially fail but being nurtured where there is not this pressure can help them. Maybe Martial needs this the same as the other 3 did?

5) Rashford - I think he has got the mentality and desire, but needs that chance and needs to bring some consistency. Personally, I think a loan could be good for him but I would like to see that loan to a club in Germany, Dortmund being ideal! Look and Jordan Sancho, best move that kid ever made. Think that could be good for Rashford for a season.

Anyway, that's might thoughts for what they are worth. 2nd place and potentially an FA Cup win. 2 FA Cups, a European Cup and a League cup in 3 years, some teams would beg for that! I know we should expect better but sometimes you need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture. I certainly feel we are moving in the right direction.

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11 May 2018 12:23:34
Good see you post again Ports. I agree with all of that.

It is possible Rash could develop as understudy striker, but Lukaku has to be rested to do that. He really need to work on his hold up play to be the main central striker.

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11 May 2018 12:47:17
we need at least 2 centre midfielders

our squad dept is not good enough.

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11 May 2018 13:17:06
People need to get the facts about Salah and KDB. This is getting seriously tedious. Saying Jose sold Salah is like saying Sir Alex sold Pogba!

Move on.

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11 May 2018 15:28:09
The only way to know with martial is sell or my preference loan him. He needs to go somewhere to play consistently like he was before alexis’s arrival. If he doesn't do well then the club know to sell. But if he does and joses leaves he may still have a way back at the club. It also stops everyone from saying he could go on to be the next salah or kdb. Its obvious jose doesn't fancy certain players that us fans would like to keep.

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11 May 2018 17:24:25
One of the best posts i seen in a white Ports. Well done.

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11 May 2018 10:49:49
Just quick post in appreciation of Michael Carrick, who plays his last game for United on Sunday.
I've loved watching him play throughout his career.
Calm and fluid on and off the ball and an intelligent footballer.
I'm glad he's staying on at United in some capacity. He's an important link to our last European success and Ferguson's last great team.
I know he's had some bad days at the office, who doesn't, but he obviously loves the club and a great example for young players coming through the ranks.

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11 May 2018 11:25:20
Carrick has been great for us in the post Scholes/ Keane era. Very underrated but read the game so well defensively and gave us rhythm going forward. We have missed his poise in recent years.
I wonder whether his type of player is one of the pieces we are missing. Link the back 4 to the midfield in a Pirlo way (not a direct comparison)
Whether that could be with a Kroos or a Veratti type I just think we have a solid HM in Matic but need the rhythm player.
Not seen anything of players linked like Savic or Fred to know if they are the type.

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11 May 2018 13:32:13
I agree, he is very underrated.

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11 May 2018 13:37:08
Carrick made countless stops in the penalty box by making great recovery runs to cut out crosses and cutbacks, something he never got enough credit for.

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11 May 2018 14:48:54
Lol tony.

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11 May 2018 15:08:02
I knew someone would post that AJH. Still made me laugh though.

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11 May 2018 10:19:24
I know people want to give Rashford and Martial chances but when they do get them and put in performances like at Brighton how can Jose or anyone justify playing them regular when the likes of Sanchez and Lukaku work rate alone warrants them being picked.
All season we've had rash and martial Not taking their chances unfortunately, how long do you persevere for.
DDG, Toni, young, Bailly, Matic, mctom, Herrera, Sanchez and RedRom, who else plays their heart out for the cause, not enough imo.

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11 May 2018 11:19:24
If we are to stick with Jose, then I’d sell all players who are inconsistent or who just don’t try hard enough.

Martial, Pogba, Shaw, obvious candidates to go

Then, if they don’t get enough success, José will ha e no excuses.

Style of play aside, he’s done pretty well to get second place given inconsistencies displayed throughout the season.

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11 May 2018 11:29:49
Wrd both martial and rashford are young, they are not going to be consistent. I saw this tweet yesterday these are the dates last time rashford or martial played 2 consecutive games
Rashford - November 25.
Martial - January 20.

How exactly are they suppose to take chances when mourinho doesn't give them chances consistently, it is always stop start.

On the other hand take the 500k man, he has had 2 good games rest utter trash, but he runs around a lot so all is forgiven, but for rashford and especially martial if it ain't a world class performance then he is rubbish and not good enough. Martial's worst performance is nowhere near the rubbish that Sanchez served up against Tottenham away but he some how keeps his place for next few few games unlike martial who would have had to spend his next month on bench for that.

You talk about Brighton, what about yesterday or against westbrom neither started those games, is it fair to criticize only those 2 if they don't take their chances when older higher paid players are performing worse.

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11 May 2018 11:53:49
CSM - Same thing with Shaw. Regularly one of our best players when actually played, despite the fact he is messed around something chronic. Of course it's easy to jump on the weight bandwagon, but Rooney was similar and managers knew they had to play him regularly to keep sharp. Shaw on the other hand is having his weakness abused by the manager. It's an easy one to get the fans onside with as well if you are Jose and carry a grudge.

Everyone knows a footballer should be fit - but every footballer has a flaw, Shaw's is he struggles to keep fit, Martial's is he looks unbothered, Rashfords is he has poor decision making, Pogba's is he seems like he would rather pose for pictures than play with passion (there are many more of course) . Good managers identify the weaknesses of their players and work on them, our manager seems to relish highlighting their weaknesses publicly then using their weakness against them to justify his sub-par performance.

I'm sure many of our players would up their game if they knew their manager had their back, rather than seeming more pre-occupied with sticking the knife in. He only really does this with the easy targets of course, or if a big players kicks off publicly when he has no choice.

Most of our players know that they can play amazing and be dropped in preference for the big money boys next game, disgrace and no wonder many of them lack heart/ passion/ energy - they are on emotional rollercoasters and not equipped mentally to handle a supreme master at bullying and self preservation like Mourinho.

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11 May 2018 12:49:27
you do know that since jose has took over rashford has played the most, weather be from the bench or starting.

so he can't hate the kid that much.

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11 May 2018 13:25:27
Neither of them have attitude problems, it's pretty simple - we signed a player to solely play the position the two had been rotating in the first half of the season. We signed said player for no other reason than he was available. Prior to said player taking up his position on the left wing against Tottenham, in the 24 PL games we played "outfield player of the year" Lukaku had amassed 11 goals and 5 assists in 1,994 minutes of action. That's pretty good going. Meanwhile, "disappointment of the season" Martial mustered only 9 goals and 4 assists in 1,087 minutes of action. Absolutely dreadful I must say.

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11 May 2018 13:27:25
Oh god, a post from Beast I 100% agree with.

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11 May 2018 14:41:35
They’ve had chances weather consecutively or not and haven’t taken them, i don’t buy into the they play every game they will be amazing and look much better, someone said last week about players such as Solskjaer and Butt, they didn’t play every week yet did their job, tried hard and wasn’t sulking about, they played well, Martial and Rashford need to remember where they are playing and try giving it a go once in a while instead of not trying a leg. If they can’t take Jose having a pop then they need to man up quite frankly and prove him wrong, he’s given chances for them to do that and each time they’ve not delivered or when they have 1 game later they are back to normal, if your good enough, your old enough, be mid 20’s and people will be saying ‘still got youth on their side’ lol, time for them to step up.

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11 May 2018 16:18:02
Jose doesn't hate Rashford he wants him to be a worldie and with patience and progression he will get there. Learning from Sanchez Lingard and Mata will maybe see him turned into a wider option . He has everything including time 😆😆.

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11 May 2018 17:00:49
So wrd you are saying that only martial and rashford must consistently perform even if they get an inconsistent run but same standards don't apply to older players like Sanchez or Lingard or young.

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11 May 2018 17:28:53
Bully 🤣🤣🤣. This isn't high school football Beast. Yhese guys are paid 100s of grands per week and should know how to take thubga on the chest and prove the manager wrong.

The only player i would feel a little sorry for is Shaw but none of us what goes on inside the ub for Mourinho to or the past 3 managers to treat him in the way they have.

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11 May 2018 18:03:56
No where did I say that, but Rashford and martial have consistently underperformed when they’ve played. Sanchez isn't playing badly tbh and works his ass off at least if not playing to his best, Lingard last night was the bright spark and always tries his best, Herrera, Valencia, Young, Matic, Lukaku, all play well or if not try there best by leaving it all out there, sadly the same cannot be said for Rashford and particularly martial. We aren’t the best team to watch atm but if nothing else look like your trying and give a damn like the above named gentlemen, I’m sorry cz I know lots will disagree and I really hope Rashford comes back stronger, but these pairs perfomances are sub par mostly and that’s why they aren’t regularly in the team. They both have the ability in them I just question their attitude and application, again martial in particular.

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11 May 2018 18:43:01
WRD yes but if any of us had the opportunity we would run through a brick wall to help the team. It doesn’t mean any of us would be any good.

Yes we all like to see players busting a gut for the team and Kante is a prime example of that type of player, but he has end product to his game. Just trying and putting in 100% isn’t really a defining characteristic of a world class player.

Would you prefer to have a striker/ winger that puts in 100% and scores/ assists every 3 games or one that appears to only put in 80% but scores/ assists every 2 games.

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11 May 2018 19:09:46
Wrd besides the pointless running around how exactly were performances of martial and rashford any different from Sanchez and lingard's.

Heck you could atleast accuse martial of not working hard, rashford can't be criticized of that just that he has terrible judgement and bit of selfishness something Sanchez can accused of as well. You are just making things up as you go along here.

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11 May 2018 09:00:21
"I will play some players that didn't play on Thursday, " he said of his selection for Sunday's game. "I play [Sergio] Romero, I play Daley Blind, I play [Eric] Bailly, I play Rashford, I play Martial, I play [Juan] Mata, but I have every player apart from [Marouane] Fellaini and [Romelu] Lukaku available and I don't go to the young players. "

Would have been nice to see Gomes and Chong get some minutes but it looks like they will not be making an appearance.

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11 May 2018 08:50:09
Just a few reflections on last night. Firstly Shaw had a good game but he cramped up late on and still looks to be "chunky". I really do think he needs a run of games to get properly match fit. Young was left out but will surely play in the FA Cup. Jose is not wrong when he says we have had a decent season. Not great but definitely better than recent ones. For all their great football Liverpool and Spurs are lower in the league. Going forward it may be that if we can find a Cantona like player he could help inspire the team. Zlatan was that player when he came. His presence lifted the whole team. City have de bruyne and Liverpool Salah. Barcelona have Messi and RM have Ronaldo. The problem is finding such players. Lastly if we want to be fair to Jose we need to judge him when he has the players he wants and they play with the mentality he has.

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11 May 2018 10:42:40
Agreed shaw still looks chunky but I thought he was one of our better players last night. Not that anybody particularly stood out. You would expect pogba to be that Cantona type of player. We’ve paid big bucks for him and it’s time he starts consistently leading this team and taking games by the scruff of the neck. He’s shown he can do it but it’s too fleeting unfortunately. Tactics don’t help him but it’s time he stood up and be the star man of this team that we need so dearly. The lack of leaders is a serious problem in this team and it’s so evident when we are under pressure.

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11 May 2018 11:31:30
I can remember less than 5 games where Shaw hasn't been one of our best players if played. The manager clearly doesn't rate him, but whenever I watch him play I always tend to come away thinking "why is he not playing as he did nothing wrong and a lot right". Just imagine if he was allowed to gain match fitness!

Shaw is a bit similar to how Rooney would have turned out had SAF had a grudge. Certain players have problems keeping the weight off and need to play, sure as professionals they should keep fit, but everyone has a vice, their's is just easy to spot. I can't help but feel a different manager would have used Shaw to their advantage not as a scapegoat. Shaw puts in the effort, plays with heart and attacking intent - but he carries timber. Much rather that than most of our players who lack heart!

Literally every time Shaw plays he is in the top 3 performers for us and that is despite rustyness! He brings 10X more to the table than Ashley Young.

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11 May 2018 11:42:28
Shaw has done well every time he has played .

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11 May 2018 11:49:56
Good post beast agree with all that. Loved seeing shaw pile drive into 4 West Ham players to back pogba up after noble tried to scratch his face. Always plays with passion and desire. I am still baffled as to why Young gets picked over him. Decisions like these are the reason why fans doubt Jose. I firmly believe if shaw moves elsewhere and gets a run of games he will be in the top 3 lbs in the league. I can see us signing a lb for next season and young being played rb. Yes young has had some good performances but he shouldn’t be anywhere near our first team if we have aspirations of winning the league.

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11 May 2018 07:41:55
"We played well, and the important thing is not that it was an exam, it was an opportunity to play and they were part of a very positive performance. "Jose

At least Jose was happy with the performance .
Was it any better than last week? Good job rash and martial weren't playing last night.

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Review Of The Day 11th May 2018

11 May 2018 06:51:36
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