Manchester United Banter Archive November 11 2012

 

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11 Nov 2012 21:58:06
All we need in my opinion is a good defensive midfield player. Scholesy and Carrick play deeper yes, but both are not naturally defensive players and they're not getting any younger! We need someone who could nail that position down long term with Cleverley next to him in a more attacking midfield position, sort of like a new Keane/Scholes combo. I like the lad Sven Bender from Dortmund, he is strong, gets about the pitch really well, he's a good tackler and his positioning is very good too. I also don't think he would cost much more than £15m, if that. Kevin Strootman would also be a good signing.

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He's got a brother and they both play in the same area in Germany, the Rhine. I dont know if they are close or not but if they are like Rafael & Fabio I'm not sure he'll want to leave Germany. Also if I was a Dortmund player I wouldn't fancy leaving, they look like a real force now.

A.R

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Lars Bender in my opinion would be a great buy if we could persuade him to come to Manchester.....He is a class defensive midfielder.

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Lars Bender, Arturo Vidal or Jaou Moutinho.

ALDUtd

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11 Nov 2012 21:45:26
Evening Ed.

First time poster here on the United page. Just a point regarding David De Gea. We all know he struggled at times last season, especially at the start, but also saved us on many occassions too. This season he has been largely pretty good, with only the odd small error.

I find it really annoying that any goal United concede when he is in goal, any pundits or commentators seem to disect it and try to find some blame to put on De Gea, it's almost like the want him to fail. I think it's a shocking attitude to have, the lad is clearly improving, and maybe that's part of the reason for them doing it, they don't want to be proven wrong.

Is it just me who notices this or has anyone else caught on too?

SC93 {Ed004's Note - Evening and Yes I have noticed it as well. It is really annoying}

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Like yesterday's 1st goal they said he should have stopped it, there was a defender blocking his view completely 6 yards in front of him. He's not superhuman

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I would think it's just a case of lazy jurnalism since he was labelled as a mistake maker early on. I'm convinced as he keeps improving they will have no option but to recognise his talent. I'm glad to see the progression of certain youngster's this season, especially DDG, Rafael and Hernandez

Gav

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11 Nov 2012 21:15:34
What would you think if we signed bale, personally i would love to have him as a replacement for giggs.

The devil {Ed004's Note - I don't think and don't want us to sign him unless it is as a full back. I am hoping we are adapting to more technically gifted players.}

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I would rather see us sign Iker Muniain from Athletic Bilbao. He's a very good player at the moment and would probably cost half of what Bale would, and has great potential to be one of the best player's in the world in my opinion.

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Muniain is an excellent player and has similarities to Iniesta in the way he plays. I would also look at Isco who in the brief view I had of him impressed me. I agree with your point about them trying to find fault with De Gea, he is developing and I for one am very happy he is our keeper.

Red Man

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I made a post on Bale a while ago mate - the gist of which was, I love him and always thought he would be a natural successor to Giggs, however I also thought, as Ed says, that unfortunately, unless he wants to go back to being a fullback (which he won't, and we shouldn't spend a fortune just to play him there), then he just won't fit in to the fluid, interchanging attack that we're looking to create. Sadly it's a case of great player, but wrong time.

StevieK

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Bale is far from being a 'great' player. Never read such nonsense.

Sydney!

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If bale is far from being a great player, which united players do u think are great players.
Jred

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Answer - Cleverley! :)

StevieK

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11 Nov 2012 20:08:21
We wanted to keep him, make no mistake about it. He will be world class. Late on a couple of occassions.... how often are any of you guys late for work?!

Whistler.

Whistler mate, the difference is that some of us who are late for work the odd time, tend to work 40+ hour weeks and have to be up at 5.30 in the morning.

I reckon it's not too much to expect a guy to make it in on time for a few hours training in the early afternoon, especially when they're getting paid a small fortune - if they can't even manage that, it's usually symptomatic of other attitude problems.

StevieK

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12 Nov 2012 01:34:17
Fair point I agree with you, but the fact is, we don't know the circumstances and he was just late. Not everything needs to be sensationalised. He was dropped, end of the matter in my opinion.

Whistler.

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12 Nov 2012 14:18:50
"I never had the intention to show up late. That I was late for training was down to some trivial things. I made a mistake.

"I realise that I was wrong though, and I will do my utmost to make sure I do not make the same mistake again. I will not be late again in the future. The matter is closed now as far as I'm concerned."

Ha Ha, as if by magic..

Whistler.

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11 Nov 2012 20:01:35
Congratulations to Solskjaer on another title win with molde.
True legend
G.N.G

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11 Nov 2012 19:57:37
Having paused for breath and then watched the highlights on MOTD I'd like to make the following points:

1. Well done to Dimi who has settled well into his new club where he is the 'leader'. I wish him every success.
2. To all the Carrick/Scholes haters...we got it back to,2-2 having swapped Young for Hernandez. Not saying they are brill...just trying to give the haters some perspective.
3. Valencia was patchy, but still carried a threat. To suggest the ineffectual and frankly infantile Nani is a suitable alternative is ridiculous?
4. DDG actually cleared some crosses with what looked like confidence. Sacre Bleu!
5. Hernandez has rediscovered his mojo, long may it continue.
6. Rooney is...frustrating....

Finally, for all thw whiners....we are top of the league having won 9 of 11 games and have won all 4 inEurope. Chill...

AJH

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He speaketh sense.

DodgyBanter

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I think the problem with Rooney yesterday was that he had obviously been told to play as a striker rather than drop back like he usually does into the midfield. It meant he didn't get the ball in positions where he could do anything.

Welsh Dragon {Ed004's Note - It also may have restricted RVP's space to run into.}

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11 Nov 2012 19:55:17
For the second year in a row, Molde won the Norwegian premier league ( tippeligaen ). For those who are not familiar with the team, its the one coached by ole gunnar solskjaer. And he guided them to their first league title ever last year. I think a move to a lower premier league team should be on the cards.

QPR seem too risky, I think Sunderland would be his best bet. Oneil seems clueless atm and they are playing really bad.

Would love to see him as our number 2, but it not the best thing for his career imo

Mick

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11 Nov 2012 19:24:50
Joe Allen is so over rated its a joke, I've seen more effective players in the Irish league!

Caolán.

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Joe has been poor his last couple of matches caolan , hope he pulls his socks up , or hes in danger of diping down to micheal carricks level..............lfc {Ed004's Note - Are you serious, he was shocking today}

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Hope your not stalking me ed004 lol , but your right , joe was very poor today , to be honset we need a fully fit lucas back into the side to give more balance in midfield mate.............lfc t

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Lfc, it says a lot when you're all crying out for the return of a player that not so long ago you were all wanting rid of!

But he was always good for me in FM as a wonderkid, so I knew he would come good :)

StevieK

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Well said stevek , i have always rated lucas myself mate , but then i am very smart.............lfc

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Joe Allen was so good at Swansea coz he was playing next to Leon Britton, he complimented Allen's play so much it's easy to see now he's at Liverpool.

ALDUtd

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11 Nov 2012 19:24:35
TOP 3 STARS IN WORLD FOOTBALL
1/ lionel messi
2/ cristiano ronaldo
3/ luis suarez
ps, o dear i dont see any utd players there , i bet you wish you would of have signed luis...............lfc

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Or course...we'd much rather be in the bottom half of the league instead of top and unbeaten in the Champions League you muppet {Ed004's Note - Is it me or does LFC's banter seem to deteriorate on a weekly basis?}

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I was gonna come up with something insulting, but your name says it all.

Mick

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The reason Suarez looks so good is because the rest of the Liverpool team look so bad.

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No place for the horrrible weasel at The Theatre Of Dreams thats why he is with you lot
ARB

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The thing is you actually believe this as well.

Where's van Persie on your list? The guy who scored more last season and so far this season than your racist striker?

GDS

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Listen , i am just telling it how it is , i tell the truth , and unlike david de gea , i dont pull my punches lol............lfc {Ed004's Note - Ok yet again it just gets worse. No surprise lfc came on this weekend, Liverpool didn't lose}

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He's real role model for the children of Liverpool... Oh no wait, he isn't.

DodgyBanter

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What about iniesta & xavi you scouse person

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He's not even the best player in Liverpool, would rather have Fellani.

DodgyBanter

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Suarez is the number 1 most overrated player in the world, that's for sure.

1. Ronaldo
2. Messi
3. RVP

Best 3 right there...

SC93

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Oh hi lfc how are your "amazing" team doing in the champo... oh wait europa league? Accorington Stanley > Liverpool.

19-20 MUFC

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Suarez will never be considered a World Star until he starts scoring goals at a big club. A mid table EPL team doesn't count!

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1. Messi
2. Ronaldo
3. Falcao
4. RVP
5. Ozil
and the list goes on suraez somewhere in there at about 15 to 18 playing ability. when you add character he is somewhere in the 500 or below tier.

Shahram

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That isn't the real lfc ... it is an imposter the real lfc's 3 best players would be like this

1.Suarez
2. Allen
3. Henderson

19-20 MUFC

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11 Nov 2012 19:04:57
Just like to congratulate ole on winning molde's first league title in 100 years!


Anon

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He done that last season ??

Walrus

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Is this a really late post as he won the title with molde last season. Bookedredmole

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Didn't he do that last year?

G.A.G.U.S

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11 Nov 2012 19:02:29
I just would like to say congratulations to Ole Gunnar Solskjaer for his second league title with Molde.

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11 Nov 2012 18:55:31
Well done OGS for winning the league for a second consecutive time. Could he be managing Southampton or QPR in January?

Sydney!

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Nah Syd why go to a club almost certain to go down?

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QPR are way too risky. He would be like avb at chelsea.

Mick

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11 Nov 2012 18:48:04
Thank you Liverpool.

Never thought I'd say it, but thank you. I like your rat looking forward a little more, but I still hate him.

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11 Nov 2012 18:41:03
hi eds n others
where can one find videos of the academy and the U21 players / matches. for those who dont ve mutv it s very difficult to see our youngsters in action.
Trident! {Ed004's Note - I am not sure mate. Try firstrow when the games are actually be played?}

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11 Nov 2012 18:40:34
would people be happy with signing lewis holtby ?
sparky

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11 Nov 2012 17:47:24
Henriquez could be the next young player going out on loan
jred

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11 Nov 2012 17:17:03
We need someone to play as a defensive shield in midfield, last season we were conceding lots of shots on goal through our centre and it has continued this season.

I don't buy into Sir Alex's claims that you don't need one in modern football, Barca have Busquets, Madrid have Khedira, City have Garcia/Barry, Chelsea have Mikel, Juventus have Vidal, Dortmund have Sven Bender, Bayern have Gustavo, AC Milan have De Jong.

These are the top teams in world football and all of them have a player who's job it is to shield the back four. We alone seem to be the only top team without such a player, they may not be needed in every game but they are a vital part of the squad.

So we need a player of this type but who should we go for? My top three choices are:

Lars Bender, he is the slightly better twin of Sven Bender. There isn't much in it but Lars has more to his game and is a better reader of the game. He would be my top choice.

Second would be Sandro, he has prem experiance and imo is the best DM in the prem.

Third is Etienne Capoue, M'Vila is probably the better player but Capoue is solid a dependable with less inklnation to abandon his post and wander up field, plus M'Vila has one of the worst attitudes in football. If Sir Alex had another ten years left in him to keep M'Vila on the straight and narrow then i'd say fine but seeing as we don't know who the manager will be in a year or two's time then i see M'Vila a too big a risk. That is why i feel Capoue is the third best option for us as a DM.

I've explained M'Vila abscence from my list, the other name i would expect to hear in light of recent events is Wanyama. He played well against Barca but lets not judge a player on one game. Overall he looks a good young prospect but he very raw still and is a couple of years away from being good enough for our first team, if we are to chuck a youngster into our first team then i would rather it be Tunnicliffe as he represents less of a gamble.

Is there anyone else who you guys feel would be a great signing for DM?

Shappy {Ed004's Note - Vidal if he is available. Say we did sign a dm, shappy do you feel we have someone good enough to dictate the play of the game, ie an Alonso, Pirlo, Xavi, Schweinsteiger, Yaya, and Gundogan that all the top teams seem to have}

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Read somewhere where Mvilla has been banned for selection by the french federation until after the world cup in Brazil. Sounds like a complete head case and no way any of the top teams will touch him.

Shahram

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Ed, i feel short term Carrick can do this job, with Cleverley/Powell taking over long term. I feel we should be looking at playing 4231 with high pressing from the three, this would give Carrick the space he needs to dictate play, but we need someone sitting in the middle to cut of the risk of counter attack as if we play with such a high line we would be susceptable to being caught on the break.

Shahram, i hadn't heard that but it wouldn't suprise me, he is a loose cannon. Such a shame as he has such talant but he looks destined to throw it all away.

Shappy {Ed004's Note - I have high hopes for Powell but isn't be better as one of the 3 in a 4231? Also I think we need someone now. Would love to see Cabaye signed. Very good passer and gets stuck in}

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Shapps

I would put fletch DM and buy Cabaye ;-)

Jono

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I agree with a lot of the things you said. Sandro would be my first choice ( the way he handled yaya is impressive ), bt he has already came out and said he dreams of playing for barcelona, so if he is to come, and improves, he is likely to want to leave.

You say that capoue is a good bet but wanyama is still raw. Well, since i get to watch him virtually every week, i can tell you hes not any less raw. He is 24 and wanyama at 21 is just as good, if not better. I would take any of the two over carrick tbh.

But i think its a bit weird that noone mentions sebastian rode. He plays for Eintracht frankfurt ( who are atm 3rd in the bundesliga ), 22 years old, and might as well be one of the best defensive midfielders in the league, with an average of 2,2 interceptions per game ( busquets : 2, carrick 1,6, vidal 1,7 ), and is an impressive dribbler.

Also in the bundesliga, Roman Neustädter is proving to be a great player. He plays for schalke and in terms of stats is the best dmc in the league averaging 3 tackles and 3,6 inteceptions per game, but he is not as good technically as the afromentioned rode.

Mick

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Shappy, I read the french under 21 team that got knocked out by Norway and supposedly the he was the ring leader and took a bunch of them out on a night out before the game.

Shahram

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Jono, i don't think Fletcher will be able to fullfil this role long term, he can play some games but he is unlikely to return to the player he was and due to his on going medical problem he is unlikely to be able to play two games a week every week for a sustained period.

Ed, i can't see us getting Vidal, he is key to Juve now.

Mick, my german friends have mentioned Seb Rode a few times. They really rate him. I normally watch alot of Bundesliga but haven't been able to so far this season, but i intend to fix that asap. I feel Capoue is more refined than Wanyama at the present time, although Wanyama will probably be the better player in 2/3 years time. I think Capoue has progressed as far as he can in Lique 1 and has to move to continue to improve, where as Wanyama still has alot to learn at Celtic.

Shappy

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11 Nov 2012 17:12:53
Sydney you talk further down about Jones at the base of a diamond against City in a few weeks. If we're going for less porous midfield do you think Jones has the discipline to sit in front of he back two?

I'd prefer Fletch sat in there, with energy from the likes of Jones, Clevs, Ando, Rooney even Kags in midfield ahead if him.

I have a hazy memory of Jones playing DCM last season and being rash in the tackle and ill disciplined in terms if bombing forward?

DodgyBanter

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Fletch is the only player we have who would track City's midfield runs effectively and so should play...if fit.

Jono

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Dodgy, as a sitting DCM he would be a fantastic asset. As a b2x DCM he is positionally suspect at times agreed.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - So do you think Jones is good enough on the ball and off the ball to play as a defensive midfielder in a 4231 beside a playmaker?}

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Ed004, as a 4-1-4-1 like Jred said (I think), then yes I think it will work.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - So who would you play around him? I assume you would have RVP up top on his own? Due to his lack of speed do you not think teams would push up on us and put extra pressure on Jones?}

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11 Nov 2012 16:37:31
Just wanted to see which forward you rate the most out of these. If United were to sign one which would you prefer and why
Benzema, Higuain, Lewandowski, Balotelli, Dzeko {Ed004's Note - Benzema or Lewandowksi as they would inject pace in the forward line. Rooney and RVP aren't the quickest in the world.}

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No thanks... Stick with what we've got up top. Spend money on midfield and defense for next few windows.

DodgyBanter {Ed004's Note - I would rather a midfielder signed but if we were to sign one it would be Benzema or Lewandowski}

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Falcao any day. But dzeko will be good. Can we give citeh nani in ex change!
NoMidfield

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Ed004: take it you would get rid of Welbeck then?

How would we keep Benzema, RVP, Rooney and Hernandez happy?!? Plus Heriquez and co from youth?

I'm happy with our strikers for now, Lewandowski out if that group would be great... But I think Hernandez will be better.

DodgyBanter {Ed004's Note - I am fine with what we have at the minute. If we did play the diamond formation you would have Benzema/Lewandowski, RVP and Rooney as first choice and Welbeck and Hernandez as cover but both would get plenty of game time}

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We don't need a striker. We have RVP Rooney and Hernandez with Welbeck also filling in and offering something different, We then have Henriquez and Will Keane coming though at youth level.

But what baffles me most about your post is you've not mentioned the two of best strikers in the world, whats wrong with Falcao or Cavani?

Shappy {Ed004's Note - I only chose those mentioned in the list. I would have Falcao ahead of any striker in the world at the minute.}

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Well i just wanted to see which striker you guys think is better of these as I think these all are in the same bracket but am always confused which is the best amongst them. I rate Falcao and Cavani above them.
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11 Nov 2012 16:13:02
Q how many liverpool fans does it take to change a lightbulb? A zero, they just sit in the dark and talk about how good the old one was.

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Watching the Chelsea/Liverpool game and I have to say just how poor Liverpool are. Chelsea have opened them up on every occasion going forward and if it wasn't for poor finishing it could easily be 4.0 at HT. Torres of all players walking through their midfield, but will Chelsea rue their missed chances or will they put away their chances in the 2nd half and win by 4/5? Liverpool decided to play with three at the back and not one of them marked Chelsea's most dangerous player from crosses. Based on the 1st half I would say Liverpool are showing exactly why they are 13th. Hope they can get a win/draw mind.

Hang on a minute, is that a flying pig?

Sydney!

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Pigs do fly lol. 1-1 Chelsea has been so wasteful and Liverpool been useless. I do hope liverpool win believe it or not.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - So do I!}

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Bertran looks like a pretty good left back. Sterling has not had a sniff today.

Shahram

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Ha, liverpool.

Mick

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That was a strange game as Chelsea could have been well clear at HT. I will say that we have learned that Chelsea are still pretty far away from where they need to be and Liverpool are light-years away from a top four finish. Got to be happy with a draw. I think the fact both Chelsea and Liverpool dropped two points is better than one dropping three and the other gaining three.

Sydney!

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Chelsea are just a top striker away from being a very good team, hope they dont get falcao for xmas
jred

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11 Nov 2012 16:09:19
Who is on there way to Old Trafford? Wesley Sneijder the Dutch playmaker maybe on his way to Manchester United. Sir Alex who has failed to buy Sneijder more than on more than one occasion is confident that the Inter Milan midfielder will be heading to Man Utd. Other news such as the Brazilian attacking midfielder Lucas Moura could be one of Man United's winter signings this season. Already linked to teams such as Real Madrid and PSG the youngster is hoping to make an impact to his career. A United favourite who maybe leaving Old Trafford is the Portuguese winger Nani. He's lack of first team football is frustrating and maybe on his way to the French side PSG. {Ed004's Note - Lucas Moura has already agreed to go to PSG}

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Maybe check the date before a copy and paste next time?

Hoppy

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11 Nov 2012 15:46:10
Mancini claims "today is the first time we have shown the spirit of last year". Who is he trying to kid? City have made comebacks on a few occasions already this year but he is so desperate to claim this as a "turning point" in a bid to boost his players. Well, I'm sorry but I just don't buy it. City are just as, if not more, likely to drop cheap points this season.

TK-Red

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They were pretty good if you want to be unbiased. I genuinely believe their entire team revolves around Aguero and Silva.

When those 2 guys are fit and playing they are a handful for most teams.

Shahram

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U forgot Yaya toure too. Joe hart is not a bad keeper. They do also have dzeko, tevez and kompany who are not to shabby!
NoMidfield

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Those are all very good players and they are generally a pretty solid outfit and don't leak a lot of goals.

Their offense struggles and they tend to draw a few games and drop points when either Aguero or Silva are out.

Shahram

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That may be the case but todays performance showed no more spirit than that against WBA. Hardly a sign that their form will dramatically improve, and that has nothing to do with bias.

TK-Red

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11 Nov 2012 15:37:11
Percy, the difference is the manager wants Valencia, Nani is surplus to requirements and has been for two summers now. I actually like an on form Nani, but a 'typical' Nani is not worth close to the salary he is asking for. The club nearly sold him in the summer for 27m euro, but he was very unreasonable with his demands and the deal collapsed.

Sydney!

You claim to have no inside information yet you make statements like the one above. So what is it? Do you have inside information, or are you speaking out of your arse and just regurgitating media stories? Incidentally, I think he's worth at the very least the same amount as Young, which is speculated as being 120k.

Percy {Ed004's Note - Manutd agreed to sell Nani at the end of the summer}

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How do you know this? I thought Ed002 was the only one in the know?

Percy {Ed004's Note - Because I nag Ed 2 on a frequent basis for any information on united. I am worse than Sydney for it}

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Percy, like you I think Nani is amazing but there is no way he is staying at United after this season. It will be a shame and who ever buys him will have a great player with them but Nani has literally dug himself a hole which he is unable to get out of.

-JakeW

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Fair enough, I sill have an inkling that he'll say, no idea why. I think Young could be on his way.

Percy

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I think Nani needs a change of club as much as anything. He needs to feel relied on and he needs to play every week, his best form with us has come when he has been played every week and relied on to win the game. Unfortunately he won't play every week for us and with other players around him like Rooney and RVP he isn't relied on to win games.

He is a good player but not a great one, great players will ALWAYS do something to win the game in 95% of the games they play in. Nani doesn't do this so he is a good player who occasionally has a moments of brilliance. His problem comes with when he isn't playing well he offers nothing to the team.

Valencia hasn't played well this season but he does alot of covering defensively, he always offers an outlet and he will more often than not keep the ball if he can't get a cross in and make the right decision. The fact is Valencia hasn't been in great form but he is still keeping Nani out of the team, even Young was played ahead of Nani in t vital game agaisnt Chelsea and this was with Young only just coming back from injury.

Nani is a gonner, i'd like to thank him for all he has done for the club and i wish his success and happiness in his future career. But the time has come for him to leave.

Shappy

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Well apart from the fact Zenit's president/chairman said the clubs agreed a deal and that Nani's wage demands ruined the deal backed up by Ed002 saying the exact same thing at an earlier date. Have you been living in a cave Percy?

Sydney!

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I also wonder what impact Nani's alleged attack on Petrucci will have had. SAF is not known for putting up with that sort of thing

Red Man

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Well depending on the circumstances the whole Petrucci/Nani thing will spell the end of at least one of their Man Utd careers. What gets me with that is neither of them seem the type to get into a training ground scrap.

Shappy

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I judge Nani for his performances on the pitch. He has not performed at anywhere near Manchester United level for some time, therefore SAF has a judgement call. Does he give him a new contract or sell? Does SAF think he has earned a new contract? He has been so inconsistent and frankly poor at times gifting possession away, squandering opportunities at key times I cannot see SAF keeping him on. A new deal could see him carry on the poor performances for years sat on a big contract. If we can't give him a new contract then it is time to sell and get the left footed player the team badly needs. I think there are a few questions over Ashley Young as well but I feel he will get more time. Nani's time is up, he has not developed , we have three similar players who can play right side and no natural left sided player, that has to change and Nani appears first in line to be sold. I for one will not be sad because he has let us down too many times.

Red Man

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11 Nov 2012 15:32:35
BANTER please ed

would anyone else be happy with this in the summer..

INS:
rodriguez
ogbonna
baines
wanyama

OUT:
Nani
giggs
scholes
macheda
(buttner: loan)


team:
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__________de gea___________
rafael_smalling_ogbonna_baines
_________wanyama__________
_____kagawa___anderson_____
rodriguez____RVP_______rooney {Ed004's Note - would prefer Hummels and am not sure if another midfielder is needed}

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Would like to see a Matta type player along side a wanyama.

I would like to see Varane instead of Ogbonna. i like the rest of the selection.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - A Mata type player might leave us too open. Same with Sneijder I think unfortunately.}

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Think SAF has already said Giggs will play another year

Pardoe

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Ed004 we are open as the grand canyon at the moment lol. I know where you are coming from but someone like Sneider firstly does not give the ball away cheaply and has enough pace to track back and defend.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - So do you reckon if we signed Sneijder and played him beside someone defensively minded such as Wanyama or Vidal along with the constant support from Rooney we would be less open as a team and have a more solid foundation in midfield?}

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I think he gives us another dimension as a team that we don't have. He can play LM and better than what we have at the moment and will also open up the right flank for Valencia as we pretty much do everything down the right at the moment.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I think Kagawa will be played there out wide left. Thats why I think if Baines is signed we could see a partnership similar to Peinaar and Baines, then maybe if we signed Ozil or Rodriguez we could see a similar relationship on the right hand side.}

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11 Nov 2012 15:30:18
Sandro is exactly what we need at united! fergie sign him up....

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Spot on.

Shappy

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11 Nov 2012 15:13:07
If we keep performing like yesterday we might score a 100+ goals but still lose on goal difference. Also is it considered a disgrace for the wingers to learn their basic jobs from full backs? If not then why don't Young and Valencia learn to beat their man and cross a decent ball from Evra and Rafael.

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11 Nov 2012 14:35:51
You have got to admire Smalling as a man. When interviewed yesterday and asked whether he should have got a foul from the Benteke challenge he said "no, I got suckered into it and the goal was my fault." A genuine bloke with a great career ahead of him. To think he was out for five months and has just slotted straight back in, give him a couple weeks to get his Mojo back and we will look a different team. I think we have missed his runs forward and his passing forward which means we are not so boxed-in in midfield. I think with Cleverley, Anderson or Kagawa ahead of him will all benefit and not have to come deep so often. Is Jones ready to make the slot next to him his own? I am not convinced, but if we do offload Vidic in the summer I would love to see a Hummels and Smalling partnership with perhaps Baines and Rafael as the fullbacks.

Sydney!

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I would love to see him along side hummels, be great partnership.

JK92

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I could not agree more mate. He has been very good after being out so long and to be honest I thought he was unlucky not to get a foul when Benteke went into him but he looks far superior to Ferdinand to say the least. {Ed004's Note - Did anyone else spot how many headers Smalling one yesterday. I lost count of how many he cleared and I thought he was brilliant yesterday. He is also quite quick he was keeping up with bentele yesterday whereas rio hadn't a hope in hell of keeping up with him}

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Evans and Smalling. Both great in the air and both great on the ball. Future partnership if you ask me.

Percy

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I want to see Rio get a few games rest now and I want to see Evans & Smalling play together. If these two are the future (not necessarily the partnership) then it's time we seen if they can be great together. I think a few games rest for Rio is warranted too due to the amount of games he has played so far this season.

Sydney!

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I think it's about time we gave Smalling and Evans a run in the team together. It didn't work too well last season but i feel both have grown and matured since then. I think with Vidic out then these two are our best CB combination. My only concern is neither are very vocal, this is why maybe it didn't work before.

Rio should be off in the summer as he is only taking games away from Jones who is at about the same level as Rio is now but will get better where as Rio will only get worse.

I feel next season our first choice CB pairing should be Smalling and Evans with Vidic and Jones as back up. Playing Jones next to Vidic will help him as Vidic can guide Jones through games and teach him alot.

Shappy

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Jones and Vidic wouldn't work IMO, both attack the ball and can be a little rash. I think Rio or Smalling need to play alongside Jones, to an extent Evans too.

Sydney!

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11 Nov 2012 14:29:31
If we were to buy a CDM in midfielder and with all the obvious names cup tied why not look at Mulumbu? Strong fast good engine and can pinch a goal.

Caolán.

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11 Nov 2012 15:13:04
Sandro has been pretty impressive today and i don't think he would be cup tied.

jamie9

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Moussa Sissoko?

Supasub

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I mentioned Sandro A while back and still think he could do a job and Mulumbu I was thinking of yesterday watching MOTD and he is a good little player that puts in a shift....

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11 Nov 2012 14:22:47
do city ever fill their stadium?

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Don't you have to claim housing Benifit to go there?
It is a council house after all.
Mike

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I think when a game is sold out you can't sell anymore tickets and I think you will find every home game for city in the league has been sold out maybe if city have a few more successful seasons maybe there ground will become a tourist attraction like old Trafford Mancunian blue ( like most blues) {Ed004's Note - There is two things wrong with that statement. The first being the City ground has obviously not been sold out if there are more than half the seats empty with no one sitting on them. Maybe it is your owner trying to increase your revenues? Also statistically united have the most supporters in Manchester.}

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You say there are two points wrong with my statement then make the statement that over half the stadium was empty please state which league game this applies to and after that statement anything else you said lost all credibility Mancunian blue {Ed004's Note - Haha love the fact you ignored the part were there are more united fans in city but the champions league games have definitely not been sold out and I am sorry I don't pay much attention to other teams and have the urge to post provocative things on their page and tbh stupid things aswell. It is blatantly obvious city are struggling to fill out their ground this year and there has been empty seats a lot of time this year}

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11 Nov 2012 14:18:17
If we continue to play a 442. I would like to see jones and anderson paired together in the centre of midfield. Could be quite interesting

James

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11 Nov 2012 14:00:02
yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh tottenham just scored a goall. go tottenham go tottenhamm . MANN rubbishTY showing its colours

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U just jinxed it . I'm blaming you if city win by a point this year.lol
Jay-c

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11 Nov 2012 13:57:05
I know I will get the same old grief that i always get but once again Rooney's distribution was woeful. Time after time he gave the ball away. And how many people like me who have criticised Anderson in the past where begging for him to come on at half time to introduce so pace and urgency to the team. It was so horrible to see the ginger prince be harassed and closed down by an average player like Ireland. To see Scholes give the ball away so many times was shocking and surely must make him think about calling it a day. As for Evra and Young I won't comment until the anger dies down. I AM KLOOT

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Are you ever happy. You would pick faults out if we beat Barca 5-0.

Dave

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I agree Kloot. He keeps trying to do everything and be 11 men when he is one and he has this new problem where he is constantly trying to flick it first time or dummy it and he loses the ball all the time and then he has been slow on the ball too getting it stuck in his feet.

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I'm sorry Dave but if people are happy that we snuck away with a victory against the worst Villa team since the PL was formed, then they have some seriously misguide expectations for the club.

Kloot is right about both players. Rooney was very poor yesterday, and to be honest we have to start asking ourselves is he worth his place in the first 11. RVP and Hernandez are bang in form, and with RVP's willingness to drop a bit deeper, there's no reason why they shouldn't play together. That leaves the left wing or centre mid, and Rooney lacks the pace for the wing or composure for the middle. Rooney looks like a confused player at the moment, not prolific enough to play up front, too wasteful to be a focal point in the middle.

Scholes on the other hand is past it. He set up a goal but he just doesn't have the legs. You can't play in a two man midfield if you can't get up and down the pitch. For Villa's second goal Rafael was suckered away from his wing, but the reason for this was that Ireland was in acres of space because Scholes had gone forward and had no legs to get back. It's depressing to see one of the best players to have graced our team look so lost against such a weak team.

Danny Pughnited

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Its reeks of the performances a couple of years back against the likes of Blackpool where the tactics the used were just pressure the CM's and we fell to bits. It had to take individual bits of genius I get us out of problems created by SAF team selection yet here we are 3 years later and still the same older bodies to pick from in the middle.

It has gone far further than embarrassing IMO.

Jono

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Rooney picked up his injury due to a very poor 1st touch he lost the ball and got clattered trying to win it back
johndenton

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At least the manager can rest him now by not sending him to the England camp.

Sydney!

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11 Nov 2012 13:48:27
I think we need a new Left Winger. Young is quickly becoming average and Nani's future is up in the air. Isco or Munian but I wouldn't be surprised w/ Ince.

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Young was very poor yesterday and my opinion is hes not good enough for utd,very predictable and easy to work out.not sure about ince yet but saw his goal for blackpool yesterday and it was a very good individual effort.
johndenton

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11 Nov 2012 13:32:28
6 goals in 6 for Hernandez, I said it from the first game of season , he has to start games!

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11 Nov 2012 13:15:34
Would love to see this team line up

_________DDG
Raf___Small__Vidic__Evra
___Ando_Fletch_Clevs
___RVP__Hern__Rooney

Width provided by the forwards, by midfield runs from in to out (Ando/Clev) and from our naturally attacking fullbacks (covered by CDM)

Options

For me, Hernandez form gets him picked in my "best 11" ahead of Kags, who I've yet to see prove that he can play in the middle three... Unless we had a real, strong and pacey CDM instead of Fletch. (In which case Two from Kags, Ando, Clevs would play with an out and out CDM)

Jones can be excellent in Ando/Clevs role, his driving runs on the break make him a candidate in tight games against top teams (see his England performance against Spain for ref) -But he should start to specialise as a centre back.

Tunners - can he be our missing all action CDM? Is he disciplined enough? Can he pick threading forward passes? (I've not seen him enough to comment)

The rest are options to change the game (eg real width from AV et al), solid squad players (Welbeck, Evans, Carrick) and youth to develop.

So why both writing all this? Because I think spending all that money on Rodriguez could be wasted. Far better to find the right kind of DCM, get an upgrade on Evra, and then if funds allow maybe look at Vidic's fitness... Jones will not replace him anytime soon, and look for a world class box to box creative midfielder... But I think Kags, Clevs, Ando and Jones can keep us going till some youth is ready.

Anyway, sorry for long post, enjoy a super Sunday... We're sitting pretty atop Prem and Champs league tables, and our rivals have tricky ties to negotiate :)

DodgyBanter

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Also... Call it MOTD fever if you want, but he has been mentioned on here a lot... Sandro could be a candidate for the CDM position.

DodgyBanter

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Evans should be starting.

Percy

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Smalling and Vidic are our two best CB's. I think Smalling and Evans should play until Vidic is back.

Sydney!

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That's my thinking too Syd... I agree that on current season's performances Evans plays ahead of Vidic. I'm assuming Vidic recovers to his best form, then he has to play for leadership alone, smalling's pace and height coupled with good ball playing skills put him above Evans in my eyes.

Evans might make long term replacement of Vidic, but I suspect he is destined to be our Wes Brown... One of the best 3rd choice centre halves in the league. Still getting 30 or more games a season though.

DodgyBanter

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As good as sandro is playing you know it would be mission impossible trying to get him at a reasonable price if at all from daniel levy.
johndenton

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Dodgy, completely agree.

Sydney!

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11 Nov 2012 12:56:49
Well yesterday again we gave a side who realistically we should be putting away with relative ease a chance to take points off us. Yes it's great watching us comeback so often but let's face it we can't do that against good sides. Positives were obviously Hernandez, Rafael again showed he's looking like the right back we knew he could be and even though RVP was quiet he showed that at anytime he can turn a game with a bit of quality like his effort which hit the bar and his delivery for Hernandez winner.

Negatives were what I think is one of our main problems, consistency. 2-3 weeks ago Valencia looked like he was back but yesterday he looked clueless when faced up to a young defender making his prem debut. Valencia is IMO a bit like Bale give him space to run and he will tear you apart, get tight and he isn't effective at all. Scholes and Carrick in cm doesn't work at all. While both good players, the lack of mobility between them surely noticeable to the management and coaches? Cleverley and Anderson will hopefully be given a go to show the form they did for the first 2 months of last season. Rooney also had a good run a few weeks ago but For me he had a mare yesterday. Evra struggled to contain Weimann which tells you how far he has slipped.

IMO Fergie knows Rooney will be injured for the next game as he said Hernandez will start next week and he very rarely makes statements like that. So with that in mind I'd love to see this lineup next game since we're at Norwich who will be up for it and energetic.

De gea
Rafael
Rio
Smalling
Evra (because there is no one else)
Valencia
Cleverley
Anderson
Young
Hernandez
RVP (playing off Chico)

Hopefully in January there will be one or two signings and we don't get anymore defensive injuries.

In
A winger to replace Nani
Maybe Herrera ( prefer to wait for Lars Bender in summer though

Out
Nani
Players who aren't needed like Macheda etc

Rjmanutd

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Hernandez picks himself because of his form. Fergy is making the statement to every player from top to bottom of the club... If you get your chance and play that we'll, you get picked. I would actually be in favour of dropping Rooney for him anyway... Make them both play better and send a message to all the fringe players.

DodgyBanter

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True that if you are playing well you should play but its surprising to see Fergie come out and say he is starting a week before a game. It just isn't like him to say something like that in normal circumstances with everyone fit. Rooney was poor yesterday anyway so I agree Hernandez should start whether Rooney is fit or not because he deserves a start.

Rjmanutd

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11 Nov 2012 12:44:18
After seeing the line-up before the game yesterday I knew Stephen Ireland would have been licking his lips. Scholes as much of a legend he is needs about four touches before he shifts the ball. Carrick needs even more touches so whenever they released the ball to the players ahead of them the players were already marked and Villa had their formation set ready to defend. We needed to play at a higher tempo and when I seen Scholes come out in the 2nd half I was heavily critical of the manager, even my Villa supporting dad questioned whether the manager has lost it. IMO he should have been replaced 20 minutes into the game and the manager should have said he picked up a knock or felt a tightness in his leg to protect his reputation. Truth is he got murdered out there and that is because he dwells on the ball for far too long. Some games Scholes will suit and he could still play in a 3-man midfield, but personally I thought the game was crying out for a Anderson or Cleverley.

I think the manager will concentrate on the midfield this summer, he has got his RvP who would have eaten up a lot of his resources during last summer. We do have Jones coming back soon and I will be interested to see where he plays. It could be at RB to give Rafael a rest or as a defensive midfielder and IMO that is where he should be played with big games like City coming up in the next five weeks. If we can shut-up shop and stop leaking goals then we have the attack to beat any defence. So Jones at the base of a diamond with the midfield packed or in the centre of a midfield three I think we can keep the game tight and when we get chances we will have the players to take them.

Sydney!

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Sydney u come out with probably the most sensible posts, Ur not like others trying to cover up players faults.

Youve got so much knowledge You urely must be in the coaching industry.

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I get the feeling you are being sarcastic ;)

Sydney!

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11 Nov 2012 12:41:30
Great result last night, good to see the never say die attitude still works. Much love for Chicharito, such a humble guy, he waits for his chance and more often than not takes it. I was thrilled with the signing of RVP but was worried as to whether Chicha would get games. Right now he is proving all his critics wrong. He has dramatically improved his all round game, he has started to hold up the ball properly and his link up play is coming along nicely.

Does anybody think when Kagawa is fit we should try him behind Chicharito? I feel his through balls and nice dinky little passes will work well with Chicharito's blistering pace and ability to play on the shoulder of the last man. Just food for thought.

All in all good result for me, made a nice early 20th birthday present (today).

Also, lest we forget! Heart goes to all those brave soldiers who lost their lives in battle.

RED_LAD

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11 Nov 2012 12:24:27
Everybody talking about the defence not keeping clean sheets.. But where was our midfield for the the two Villa goals ?

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11 Nov 2012 12:20:39
Great to see a spirited performance coming back to win from 2 down but let's not forget this was against a young inexperienced team who are perennial relegation fodder.

Do we really see us winning games where we have given the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern, Dortmund etc a 2 goal start?

In key areas we are quite simply too old a side now. A midfield of Scholes and Carrick is too pedestrian either defending or going forward. Ferdinand and Evra have clearly lost a yard of pace which just exacerbates the defensive frailty stemming from a slow midfield.

Bottom line is the Premier League is getting weaker hence even with our crumbling defensive qualities we may still be able to win it. Europe will again be a different matter though.

We've done well in Europe thus far but playing nobodies.

I believe the major clear-out we all expect to happen at some point must happen this summer: Scholes and Giggs retiring from playing but going into the coaching side. In addition I expect Ferdinand to seek one last big pay packet in LA.

And with Guardiola and Mourinho coming to the Premiership in the next 12 to 24 months surely we are counting down the months now before our greatest ever manager moves to Lifetime President or other such upstairs role.

I think Van Persie has been a revelation since joining us. A class player who looks a bargain at £20m for a 29yo now doesn't he ? I think the Van Persie purchase was the Glazers sanctioning for Fergie 'one last crack' at European glory. Its a shame that our midfield is not strong enough to make that dream a reality.

Halesini

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11 Nov 2012 11:44:32
Lads, Valencia is not the problem and his form is not entirely his own fault. We are a very, very unbalanced team right now, we have a very strong right hand side with Rafael and Valencia - however the left handside is weaker. This means that route one is get the ball to Valencia, so he is getting marked out of the game - this is why he is standing still and passing backwards. If we had more of a threat from the left we'd see the best of Valencia. This is why we need to sacrifice Nani and bring in Rodriguez.

Fresh!

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Good post. Valencia has been out of sorts early doors but I agree we have little threat down the left flank. The now woefully slow Evra doesn't help the situation (seems ok getting forward but then leaves a gaping hole in defence if possession breaks down and teams counter).

Rodriguez is the player we should have gone for in the summer. Using Nani as part of the deal if possible. Its been obvious that Nani is surplus to requirements and I fail to see why we haven't moved him on. Oh no, I've remembered, we will be seeking too high a price tag for him (as usual!).

I appreciate 4-4-2 is not going to be our usual formation these days but where it is adopted we need to have the right personnel in place. Not sure whats happened to Young. I thought he had some great games for us last season - particulary in the early part. His poor Euros showing has maybe affected his confidence? Either way we now have 2 'left wing' outlets neither of which are showing / have shown enough to be first choice in a Manchester United shirt.

Nani has to go. Personally I would give Young another chance but a left-winger is definitley required unless Fergie sees Kagawa as able to fulfill that wider role when he's back from injury. Welbeck has looked out of sorts out on the left so its either turning to the new youngsters such as Powell and Henriquez to try them out there (not ideal for either especially Powell) or look for a direct replacement.

This glosses over the fact that central midfield not left wing is actually the priority (and has been for 3 seasons!).

I believe we are 3 key players short in terms of challenging in Europe:

Centre Half - Ferdinand way too slow and injury problems of Jones, Smalling and more worryingly Vidic are well-documented

Central Midfield - Moutinho or Cabaye please report to OT immediately ;)

Left Wing - Rodriguez or Muniain would be more than welcome


Halesini {Ed004's Note - Didn't united agree a fee with zenit for Nani?}

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11 Nov 2012 11:40:55
I know our midfield has a bit to be desired atm but I honestly think Rooney will be a massive creative lift when he finds his form. Lets not forget the way he dragged us through matches last year with Valencia. If we can get RVP, Chicha, Rooney and Valencia firing on all cyclinders as well as tighten up at the back, we will be unplayable.

Dan

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11 Nov 2012 11:39:29
For however poor valencia has been this season 4 assists so far is still good and that doesn't count his cross for hernandez's second

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That's because i was Rafael who crossed.

Percy

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11 Nov 2012 10:29:09
Omg.. United in pole position for fellaini ( spell). Gill is busy with his assistants to prepare a strategy to bring him to united as early in jan or late by summer.
When i say stretwgy it means whr to start bidding.. Wht to improve.. How to approch..player demands and all that.
He is confident to lure him even though chelsea is in running. My source has Given regular digestive information but i m very aurprised to see this.
I asked for logic nd he said fellaini at holding while ando and clevrly can roam ahead free.
Ao next ywar system is changing to 4 3 3 barca style.. Is it mean pep is also comming?

Rodio17

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Dont believe it for a second.

Fresh!

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Mate if you're going to make up a load of BS at least make sense. You can't be in pole position for someone when you haven't even made a bid!

Red Joe

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It's not going to happen. Average defensive midfielder and not good enough to play as a 2nd striker for United. For £10m-£15m he would make a great squad player, but paying £30m for a player that does not fit our system is ridiculous. It will not happen.

Sydney!

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How do you lads decipher this type of post?

Puzzled

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Lol! Except for Berba Syd? ;)

DodgyBanter

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Incredible player, exactly what we need. Strong, unstoppable in the air and creative!

Percy

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Am i forcing any1 to believe it?
Its what i hear i guessed i have made it clear.
Not my own generated rumour. Just feeling like passing on so i did..
Rodio17

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Red joe.
If u think nd ur knowledge tells u that one can be in pole posion only after bidding than grow up man! We r almost in same codition with hazard without bidding.. And rest of the story.. U kno as i do.
Rodio17

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Syd.
I respect ur view here.
But probelm is if saf wants him.. It wil happen no mater who feels what.
Only question is if saf wants him?
Me nd u both kno very well that both carrik nd evra r playing week in weel out. No mater what me and u post abt them here.. Iant it?
Rodio17

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Am i the only one that sees Fellaini isnt a defensive midfielder anymore, He has stated he wants to play behind the front man, and thats not what united need.
Yeah he is tall, strong, good in the air, but he doesnt have much pace and can be a little clumsy at times. Fergie wont bring in anyone else who will slow down play, He already has Carrick and Scholes who will do that.
Just stating what i think, Fellaini hasnt played as a DM in a while an prefers to play higher up the pitch!

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Dodgy, Berbatov didn't fit our system, but Fellaini is nowhere near the quality of Berbatov. Fellaini is a target man and the last time I checked we were not Stoke City FC. If Fellaini was to play in midfield then I would want a quicker player, like Carrick he dwells on the ball for far too long. If the manager is serious about playing his quick tempo football then players like Fellaini, Scholes and Carrick like Berbatov do not fit the system.

Sydney!

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I heard Barcelona re going to be coming in for him :)

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Yeah they want to try and turn another midfielder into a defender}

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11 Nov 2012 09:21:41
10 Nov 2012 21:51:54
lets be honest valencia has been woeful all season. cant see him coming back from it and tbh he neva had bags off skill like nani, jus relied on pace and defenders know how to deal with him now. nani is better when on form but cant see him comin bk to best either...in my opinion as much as i like them both non are good enough and should be sold at end ov the season

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I wish you left a name. Valencia went through a phase when he was poor a few seasons ago and I saw the same posts. Since then he has been fantastic up until this season. He has not been effective but we have only played 10 games. Is everyone forgetting the amazing run he did down the right where he took on 3 players showing speed, strength and agility.

How anyone can say after a few bad games that a player will never get back to top form is beyond me. But I guess that's why I sign my posts and you don't.

GDS

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GDS
He has been an amazing servant for the club!
Let's be honest, this season is below apar. He's not playing well.
The problem is, that people here always make excuses for him. He's a good player and nobody can deny it but right now, I personaly don't see ANYTHING special on his performances so far.

Nick86

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I think at times when the team is lacking imagination through the middle, and without a natural left winger, our entire strategy seems to be to work the ball out to AV.

If this is our strategy, Rooney should play wide left and get into box back post, with RVP and Hernandez in the middle this should be effective!

But Tony needs to play more quality early balls into the box, like he was last season when Rooney was scoring hat fulls.

Currently he either drills a pull back low, or floats a fairly ineffective cross for the keeper to catch.

I think he's improving in recent games, and will surely get many assists with those three to cross to! Just feel he should mix it up and whip a few early balls in aswell.

DodgyBanter

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Players cannot perform at a WC level always, the only two on the planet that can do that is Messi and Ronaldo and that is why they are the two best players on the planet. He is not performing well at the moment, but his form will change. Saying that even a below par Valencia is still a big threat. Personally I think he should play RB and try Rafael at LB and play a diamond.

Sydney!

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The hypocrisy is incredible here. Surely the exact same goes for Nani? Yet it's all "We should sell Nani,he's useless!". For example, Nani showed his class the other day with a goal against Chelsea the Valencia couldn't score in his wildest dreams. I'm not saying we should sell either of them, but I certainly think that Nani should, if his contract can be sorted, be allowed the patience that Valencia is getting from manager and fans alike.

Percy

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Please not the diamond i really hope we have seen the last of it
jred

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Percy, the difference is the manager wants Valencia, Nani is surplus to requirements and has been for two summers now. I actually like an on form Nani, but a 'typical' Nani is not worth close to the salary he is asking for. The club nearly sold him in the summer for 27m euro, but he was very unreasonable with his demands and the deal collapsed.

Sydney!

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11 Nov 2012 09:17:03
from de highlights of yesterday's match i realised rooney was able to track all de way back whiles carrick and scholes were gaspin for breath doin same,what i mean is we had a flat midfield yesterday,i think we should play 3 in midfield in our next game without wingers and stick with hernandez and rvp up front a 4-3-1-2 with ando,clevs and fketch in midfield and rooney as an a/m and rvp and chicha up front ,javier hernandez ,lad where ever you are,lad take a bow

adofo red

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11 Nov 2012 09:01:41
IMO i'd choose nani over valencia every time nani does lose the ball more but valencia rarely beats a player unless there open bit of grass to boot the ball into and chase the his crosses either dont beat the first man or they beat everyone but he helps out defensively more than nani frusrating watching valencia play

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11 Nov 2012 08:41:22
I think it is so blatantly obvious where we need to strengthen to finish this team off...

We lack a threat from the wings this season. Out of the 3 wingers we have, Nani is the only one prepared to try and beat a man. Young gets it and crosses it in, and if Valencia can't find a gap to cross it in he can't do anything with it. In fairness Valencia in the second half was a bit better but we need a new winger (preferably left wing). James Rodriguez is the obvious choice, but what about Willian from Shakhtar, every top team in England seems to be interested but us, I think at £20million that is a steal for a very young talented flair winger that we are missing.

Defence. I would have originally said left back, but the immediate problem is centre back. Ferdinand is finished, his positioning is awful, apart from the first goal where it was Smallings fault, the amount of times a defender had to bail Ferdinand out for his poor defending was unbelievable. One of Subotic or Hummels is an absolute must. Subotic being the cheaper option with the Serbian link to Vidic and is most likely out the two.

And finally, get ready for it...........Centre Midfield. Yesterday was a prime example of Fergie being over reliant on Scholes. Yes he set the first goal up, but he can't start a game, our build up play was slow and we lacked any penetration from the centre positions. We need someone to drive with it, we have Anderson but we need another. Strootman is the obvious choice there again. Another cheeky option when we lack creativity is Wesley Sneijder, reportedly fallen out with Strannochia and wants out, cheap option as Inter would look to accept offers of £15million

RedKnight

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Love the Sneider thought as most teams are loading the right side and having Sneider on the left with kagawa, RVP,Rooney interplay could be something incredibly good. This is all assuming captain fantastic vidic is back for the second half of the season.

Shahram

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Amazing that people on here STILL can't spell Sneijder... You keep dragging these rumours back up over and over again... At least spell his name right!! Arghh!

Am I the only person on here who doesn't want Sneijder? I just feel his attitude would destabilise the club.. He'll think he's bigger than the club, I can't see Fergy going for him. I also think he flatters to deceive, he plays a lot if "nearly balls" that look great but do nothing. Scholes has been 10 times better than him.

DodgyBanter

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Amazing a year and half ago everyone was over the moon he was coming for 28 mill and now you don't think we would be a better team with him.

He is absolute class player and solves our issues on the left as no one seems to play there effectively.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I don't think he is suited to left side of midfield tbh. However with his passing range on him and the fact he is a hard worker off the ball would there be much point playing him were Scholes is playing but play a true DM beside him like Wanyama?}

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Ed004 in the Euros he played out on the left against spain and another team .and was one of the few players who actually played well for the dutch team

I do realize he also likes to cut inside and come towards the middle but his pace, ball control, passing and work rate is by far superior to anyone we have in our squad. Another 28 year old dutchman, could be interesting :)

Anyway just a thought and will probably never happen.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Do you think with his work rate he could adapt a position further back. He definitely has the passing range for it}

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Ed004 if your question is could he be a better central midfielder than what we currently have i.e. Cleverly, Anderson,Carick, Giggs, Scholes, and Mr. Rooney then absolutely yes. I would rather have him playing passes to RVP/Hernandez and the wings than the current crop.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Ok then suppose you are right about that. Is there better options out there then?}

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There are always better options like Goetze, Ozil, Fabergas, Marchisio but do not believe we will get any off them.

Shahram

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11 Nov 2012 08:24:40
It's been said before I know, but the last couple of games have highlighted our lack of leadership on the field. Why is it necessary to wait until half time (or until the floodlights fail) to be told that we need to change our playing style?

In the days of Robson & Keane that would have been sorted as we go along.

What's more, those players who weren't performing would have been told by the captain, in no uncertain terms, to pull their fingers out.

DL10

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11 Nov 2012 07:10:50
i loved ferdinand a lot but he is losing his pace now i dont think he will be able to match the pace of other strikers beyond this season. he is nearing his end
but m very relieved to see smalling back into the squad
we all must have noticed yesterday that how brilliantly he was dealing with the air balls into the penalty box
his 6'4" height is a boon . all i hope is to see vidic and jones back asap, and all our defensive problem will be over

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We still need a experienced ans skillful center back to replace ferdinand.. When we talk about europe..
Vidic is also at the end of his good years.
I nwver rate evans as good..forget great. So i would insist a tall hard working defender with plenty of experience
Rodio17

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11 Nov 2012 01:50:53
Great comeback today glad to see Hernandez playing well rate him highly.

For me though there is a worry and that's the left wing we don't have a quality winger capable of changing games or scaring fullbacks it's clear to see it prime example is today when young got taken off because he wasn't affective we had no decent replacement to bring on so it led to Rooney playing wide left the same as when we put welbeck out there, neither are wingers and both mainly Rooney come inside to much leaving the wings bare...

Young is average and for me we need a top quality winger for me

James Rodriguez should be priority I know he's expensive but it's to be expected I can't think of many more because the game has changed and teams mostly use attacking midfielders instead such as hazard rues gotze a player that can change along the front but still effective when out wide.

Another point for me is Rooney I seem to think he steps up when he's relied on for example last season he didn't play particularly well but still managed a shed load of goals but now we have rvp Rooney is not the same he is trying to much fancy stuff and trying to take more long range shots, you don't see him getting in the box for headers and poachers goals as much as you used to... Don't get me wrong we would miss him if he weren't there but I just think he thrives on being needed and having to step up...

What do you guys think? Also any other choices for left Wing?


Munkydunc

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I agree about Rodriguez, shipping Nani out and bringing him in, not bad really is it!

I disagree about Rooney though, he's playing a deeper role now which means he can take shots from further out and thread balls through, but it also means he wont be getting into poaching positions as much. What do you expect really?

T14

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Possibly Affelay or Isco

-JEB-

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Muniain is my first choice.

-JakeW

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