Manchester United Banter Archive February 12 2012

12 Feb 2012 22:51:25
After watching the City game they really are in a slump and were lucky to get a win against a very poor Villa team. Its a great time for you to try and get a lead up over them as much as it pains me to say it. Also was impressed by Welbeck against us yesterday. Compared to his performance against us in the FA cup he was like a different player. So I was thinking can we have Hernandez?lol. Intresting to read how many of you feel you need a RB I think Rafael looked very good again and is a hell of a lot better than Clyne. Nice to be talking about football again and its good to now we are in for Isla at Udinese he's a great player and would really improve us. Also had to laugh at the mascots at the Villa game today already having a bad effect on children.
JFT96
Smithy

12 Feb 2012 22:04:15
So Liverpool and Suarez have finally succumbed to an apology but just for not having the handshake. This was likely an attempt to save the club from further embarassment. This morning the New York times reported events directly mentioning the owners and connecting it with their American franchise, this may well have prompted the owners to act. Whilst any apology is appreciated, the belief within Liverpool and its supporters of Suarezs continuing innocence means there will be nothing further. There is no point expecting anything else now, so let us just get on with it, look forward, concentrate on our own situation and win games.

However, it would not surprise me if Evra , on a personal basis, does not consult his solicitors over the statements from Liverpool about him. Let me remind you, Liverpools original official statement said, it is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations. I am no lawyer but could that be defamation of Evra? Whilst I think we have seen everything we are going to see from the clubs, I would not be surprised to see Evra look at that and other statements further.

In a way I hope he doesnt as we all need to move on, but it would not surprise me if he did.

Red Man

12 Feb 2012 21:56:16
Did any of you see this in the City Villa match this afternoon. Thought it was absolutely brilliant, although it did show the bad effect football can have on youngsters.

Aston Villa mascot snubs Man City mascot

www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hstik457FJE

Welsh Dragon

12 Feb 2012 20:02:45
Well said FT. A lot of people have not come out of this looking good. Af and PE especially.
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When are you Liverpool fans going to come out and admit that Suarez caused all the controversy yesterday? I can't believe you had the audacity to come on here and say that. Suarez is now the most hated footballer in the world.

G.A.G.U.S

12 Feb 2012 20:17:51
I think either this summer or next summer Ronaldo will move to City with Aguero going in the other direction.

Sydney!
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In my opinion, Ronaldo would never join City. He wouldn't do that to us. He wouldn't do that to Fergie.

G.A.G.U.S

12 Feb 2012 18:25:07
Can someone please confirm this for me. I have read Dalglish's and Suarez's statements. Where is the apology to Patrice Evra and Manchester United.

And even more confusingly we have issued a statement accepting them.

Mike the Moston Red

12 Feb 2012 18:15:25
I'd like to know who people would like to have or think will be the next united manager as I think it will happen the summer after next but this summer wont be beyond possibility.
My personal choice only based on the fact that he says at his next club he would like to stay a long time would be mourinho.I think he'd instill a fear factor in the players we will already have let alone aid the portugese speaking players we still have since we had queiroz.
Another relevant question is when Mourinho does leave Madrid whenever that may be he will come to the premiership would he go to city with the influx of ex barca board members going there?
I presume they think they may be paving the way for guardiola to go there though.
In the long run hopefully Ole, giggs, scholes etc will come through to take the reigns of our great dignified club.
Any thoughts anyone?

Supasub

12 Feb 2012 17:45:47
What with all the kerfuffle of the handshake the best part of the whole programme was Neville talking about the rivalry and the whole tunnel / celebration thing.. I love his enthusiasm for all things football and bringing a great insight to how he feels
How he said he loved the rucks in tunnels and wants to see the passion our football brings and not the sterile crap in spain and italy

Pardoe

12 Feb 2012 17:20:51
Say that we have £50 - £60 million to spend in summer (which i think is the rough figure) what do we want to see, this is what i want:

Luka Modric: I think that Redknapp will likely leave Spurs, and i think that Totenham told him last summer that they want one more year out of him, then he can go (like Fabregas, Ronaldo etc). He will be available in summer. I think that Ferdinand may be used in a deal however.

(Second choice would be Nicolas Gaitan).

Nathaniel Clyne: For a nominal fee there is no risk in going for this boy, he is better than what we have in our academy in the full back position and i think under SAF he could well flourish.

Inigo Martinez: Everyone has talked about Hummels and Subotic, but this guy is more likely and is the real deal. He is also a BALL PLAYING defender which we like.

Lastly i full expect to see a new striker, not sure who though. I'd be happy to be honest to see Berbatov stay on, see how Macheda and Keane do. That would be enough.

- First choice i must say would be Ronaldo, don't need anyone else if we signed him lol.

UnitedForever

12 Feb 2012 17:04:52
A few points on the last two days.

Evra's reaction at the end was childish and tarnished the dignified manner which he had been dealing with the matter. Fergie is clearly unhappy with him, and we can only assume he'll privately get the bollocking he deserves.

The chants from certain sections of old trafford were pathetic and those involved should be ashamed. The fact that some Liverpool fans sing about Munich doesn't excuse it in any way.

The reaction of a lot of Liverpool fans to the whole incident has been baffling. From the unflinching support from Suarez, to the attempt to try to blame Evra for the handshake, to the belief that the whole footballing world is conspiring against their club.

However, the reaction of Liverpool fans on this site to Ed002's suggestion that Suarez's position may have become untenable takes the prize. I have never seen such self-righteous anger and sheer vitriol directed at anyone posting here. And to think that's just the stuff that could actually be posted. The people involved have shown a distinct lack of respect and class, their a further embarrassment to their club.

For me it's about time that us United fans forget about Liverpool for the rest of the season. We don't play them again and they're not a challenge to us in the league. Like any tantrum throwing toddler, once they've shouted, kicked, cried and thrown all their toys out of the pram for a week they'll be back to their task of securing euro-league football.

Danny Pughnited

12 Feb 2012 16:27:04
And the great saviour that is Wesley Sneijder makes his 7th app of the season for Inter in a 1-0 home defeat to lowly 10 man Novaro. Is this really the man so many want to revolutionise our midfield?

12 Feb 2012 16:21:39
Liverfools everywhere,how did the humble pie taste?

12 Feb 2012 15:37:09
As a Liverpool fan, I'd like to apologise for the way my club and some of its fans have behaved. Don't get me wrong I'm 100% loyal to my club and I have tried to stay loyal to the players. But Suarez yesterday was bang out of order. There are somethings bigger in football than rivalry and this is one of them. Whatever the two players feel about eachother is irrelevant, for Suarez to not shake Evra's hand, which would have been a small gesture for him would have been hugely significant in the fight against racism and reducing the tensions between the two teams. All it showed was immaturity and petulance. Bitterly dissapointed with Suarez, dissapointed with Dalglish's reaction. Normally can't stand Fergie but he hit the nail on the head. We're a proud club with a proud history, and Suarez is dragging our name through the mud.

12 Feb 2012 14:52:21
so now there's been an apology so now are all these liverpool fans on here going to admit they were wrong or come up with some fresh rubbish

12 Feb 2012 14:31:30
So suarez issues a statement apolgiseing for not shaking evra,s hand admiting he got it wrong and saying he has let his manager and club down t long last sense has prevailed now can we put this behind us and can the liverpool fans on here stop trying to blame evra for not shaking suarez,s hand as even suarez says he was to blame the best thing now is for veryone to accept this apology and move on let this be an end to it
onecut

12 Feb 2012 14:21:08
Hopefully Suarez's apology will put everything in the past. Let's get back to the football.

=v1=

12 Feb 2012 14:14:39
afternoon lads,

A very satisfying performance yesterday. I'm paying for it now tho!!

Evans was a machine at the back and seeing rio put in some great challenges made me shout "Big Boy Tackle" at the screen a few times.

Giggs seemed to give the ball away a few times and watching scholes' passing, sometimes you have to wonder how a guy can have technique like that, especially as his eyes arnt 100%.
carrick went bout his job efficently as usual, no frills.
I thought wellbeck was immense in the first half. Held the ball up really well.
Toni frightened enrique, tore him apart.

Quick question - did we actually make any subs in the game?
Was too busy taking the piss out of my scouse mate in the 2nd half!!

Brilliant result. suarez just annoys me. looking at him annoys me. But how people defend him, like he is a victim makes me laugh. this is a guy who will bite people on a pitch. Only wish keano was playing, sure suarez would have got "bumped" back into the real world!!

Jamesmack8

12 Feb 2012 14:05:21
whats the fuss with paddy's celebration? As fergie said liverpool is our biggest derby. Throw in the abuse he took at anfield a fortnight ago its understandable. He was thanking the stretford for their support. I like how some scouser says we shouldn't have sung songs about suarez. Really? So they didn't chant at evra at anfield?

12 Feb 2012 13:25:13
But your team did this way back then, but your team did that blah blah blah, shut up. Im here to talk football, yesterdays game was great, we out played pool in every aspect all over the pitch. the much criticised (by scousers) Scholes, Giggs and Evans bossed Pool. Within 5 mins of the first half they were 2 down and they crumbled because they knew they was beaten which highlights the mental weakness of queen kennys expensive squad. I would like to highlight we was in asimilar posistion at stamford bridge though 3 nil down and what happend there? All in all yesterday proved we are the better team and we ill be for the forseeable future. Well done lads.

JWalk

12 Feb 2012 11:51:01
Impartial Wembley FC Fan here.

I havent read most of what has been posted on this page but just thought i'd share my thoughts with you all, being relativley impartial.

Firstly Man Utd and over achievers, they have been for the past 5 or 6 years, this will not continue, there is only so long you can rely on Giggs and now Scholes. Serious investment needed.

Liverpool just aren't the same since they havent been in Europe, its looking like they won't be able to challenge for a Champions league place for a while yet.

On the Evra/Suarez race row.

Clearly Suarez is wrong and is one of the most repugnant players in the league. However utd hardly shower themselves with glory in this situation. Evra needs to act with a little more dignity. He has been in a few scrapes himself so behave like a professional!!

Why do Man Utd players.. particularly Rooney feel the need to mouth off about everything on twitter... In particular im referring to Harry Redknap for England manager. Rooney... this is none of your business.. stay out of it! It is the FA's job to decide who gets the job. How will a new manager feel if its not Harry? Knowing that the players see him as 2nd best. Also.. you will never be England captain... not until you start behaving yourself on and off the pitch anyway.

The season will go to City, Utd will finish second, you won't win a thing this season.. can't imagine Fergie cares too much about Europa league.

Lastly.. all this I'm hearing about obscene chants/ songs from Utd supporters... maybe you forget that even though fortballers and overpaid and arrogant they are still human beings. You wouldn't behave like that on the street so why in the terraces?

I could go on... but I will leave it there for now.

Wembley Mick

12 Feb 2012 11:37:14
Liverpool fans have been coming here with the Dalglish defence of blame everyone except Liverpool. It's been the media, Evra, Sir Alex, our fans etc. The fact is the situation wouldn't have been as bad if Suarez had shaken Evra's hand. Patrice Evra is no saint and has his previous as do other United players past and present but it's as if Liverpool fans regardless of what he does see Suarez as the innocent party. Since coming to Liverpool he has dived constantly, been banned for 8 games and also thrown a finger up at opposing fans. So while I say Patrice is no saint, have a look at Suarez.

In terms of the game it was a great win which keeps the pressure on City and we showed we are a far better team than Liverpool. Getting players back from injury, building momentum it's our time of year to kick on now.

Rjmanutd

12 Feb 2012 10:47:36
Matthew I'm judging Evra on how he behaved at the world cup, lying in his statment, the things he admitted saying about Suarez and the way he has acted since playing in the prem. Most people in France hate the guy and he is supposed to be what I described him as. Also you fail to answer the main points of my post about your fans disgusting behaviour and how the media will not mention it. Mumbles the majority of pundits aren't former lfc players at all just the ones that get on the big shows. I'm talking of people like Clark Carlise giving his bias opinion. Thanks to the lad who agreed this sought of chanting is disgusting and needs to be stopped and you are the main culpurates for it.. So to quote matthew your embarassing yourself..
JFT96
Smithy

12 Feb 2012 10:09:02
I dont believe I have commented on the Suarez situation as yet however after yesterday I am going to make a couple of observations.
I was not aware that Suarez had not shaken Evra's hand so that played no part for many of us during the game. However in a volatile atmosphere Suarez behaved in a way that could easily have incited a riot, on this I agree with SAF. The Rio tackle, a fair one, resulted in a set of histrionics from Suarez which frankly were uncalled for and were yet again the its not fair on me scenario. I believe what he did at half time when booting the ball deliberately at the crowd was incitement and the FA should look at that. He had to be surrounded to protect him and personally seeing the response from the crowd he was in danger of inciting them. That is the point where he should have been dealt with by the referee and remember the very strong response from the crowd as he walked off was down to that incident as many didnt know about the handshake. I was actually surprised to see him come out for the second half.
This has been badly mishandled by the Liverpool manager over a long period, it is a PR disaster for their club. I agree with Graham Taylors, the PFA heads comments on this although have felt it for a while.
The error with the T shirts, the stance of support even carrying it on last weekend when Dalglish suggested he should never has been banned has led to Suarez feeling he had the moral high ground and had nothing to apologise for. It is this attitude I have to criticise in the great club which is Liverpool. I may want to beat them more than anything but I watched through the 70 and 80s and had respect for them. Maybe Liverpool dont care about other peoples respect, however I feel the sponsors and particularly the owners may well be sat very uneasy now.
Let us be straight one handshake is not the main problem here it is the continual denial by Dalglish of the problem and the lack of leadership by the Liverpool owners that led to the focus on that handshake being key to moving forward. The move forward should have happened weeks ago with acknowledgement of what had happened and an apology. It didnt and the short sighted approach of defending the player has spectacularly backfired.
Suarez could easily have incited a riot yesterday and that needs to be dealt with by the FA. Liverpool need to take a good look at themselves and a player who let us not forget has history, particularly in biting someone. Evra also cannot be proud of his lap of the pitch but in some aspects I can understand why he did that, given the venom at Anfield, the lack of an apology and then the handshake or lack of it.
Liverpool have become a smaller club in my eyes as a result of their handling of the Suarez situation and it needs to be put right before he does something else at someone elses ground. Will he do that? Very likely he will do something given he has been given the message he has done nothing wrong. He already had a one game ban for the incident with the gesture. Is the message to Liverpool not clear enough?
I am just glad that is not our club being dragged through the mire. Yes Cantona did what he did but he paid the penalty and accepted the guilt.
In a way I expect the next event to be claims from the Liverpool manager that it was Evra that didnt shake the hand or it was anything but Suarezs fault. However I expect some leadership from their owners and the shell shock Dalglish showed in the interview was telling.
They need to get Evra and Suarez together , with a proper apology to move this forward but I cant see it.

Red Man

12 Feb 2012 08:39:57
fergy on the europa game
"i am treating this seriously, were going to have a go. The thing is its European football its still a good standard. The great thing is we don't have a game on Saturday so i can play my strongest team-I will play my strongest team"
jred

12 Feb 2012 02:19:53
Thought Redknapp made himself look a pr**k today (see the smirk on his face after making out rio had taken suarez's foot first). Well done Nev, Put him straight!
Saurez's delayed outstretched arms just for extra effect didn't quite win the referee over.

Supasub

11 Feb 2012 23:25:02
RFT, I thought you were banned mate? Your posts have been deleted on here and our page, on numerous occasions. But since you asked, who am I? I am just a humble LFC fan, who loves my club. I'm confused, some of you are calling me bitter? You know I ain't bitter. I was the 1st one to post on here, that you were the better side, we were awful and deserved what we got. Scroll down RFT and have a peak. No complaints about the result whatsoever.

What has really annoyed me, is this drunken clown Slur Alex. Who does he think he is, deciding who plays for us? Dosn't he get it? Do you Mancs not get it? Everytime Slur Alex, media or anyone else ridicule our great club, it brings us closer together and makes us stronger.

If Slur Alex would have taken the same stance when Schmeical called Ian Wright racist names. You wouldn't have had the best keeper ever to play for you, at your club for long. But he did nothing and now has so much to say, considering how he kept saying about the Suarez/Evra situation 'We have no comment, ask Liverpool they have a lot to say'. Now you know why us LFC fans, have no respect for this drunken fool.

Today Slur Alex came into his own and what sets him apart from other managers. His manipulation of the media, is 2nd to none.

Some of you say that Slur Alex is the greatest manager ever? He's not even the greatest manager ever at your club, Sir Matt is.

Hope that answered your question RFT?

Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96