Manchester United Banter Archive July 12 2011

 

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12 Jul 2011 23:41:38
tried to post this before but take it ed thought i was mad now im not in denial or wishing or anything like that but the interview the boss gave yesterday seemed strange to me when he said nasri was unlikely to join united i think he has agreed to go somewhere else now fergie normally gives it straight to the point over transfers you either get no comment or were not interested but it was all i think and unlikely as if there was still a slight chance in his mind or maybe just trying to call the players bluff that if he his taking his time about a decision fergie is not going to wait around i personally think he will end up down the road at the united stadium(bit of arabic translation there for you lol)but why i don't know thought he wanted to win trophies so was just wondering what everyone's opinion was on the interview did it seem strange to you that the boss was not giving a definitive anwser like he normally does he could of come out and said he won't be joining instead of unlikely but like i say he didn't seem sure now im not still wishing or not accepting he will not be a united player but i got mixed signals from it all so what do you guys think?

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12 Jul 2011 23:24:15
okay this will be the last post of the night. People seem far too kean to slate our current players and i think its just to back up their hopes of a big signing as we "need" one. But our midfield has in the last 5 years won 4 premier league titles and been to 3 champions league finals and would have won all 3 had it not been for facing proberly the best side to ever play football. Not bad for a crap midfield hey? I know scholes has retired and he'll be a loss but he's not been a regular for a few seasons now and the same for hargreaves. If we don't sign anyone then we have experience in carrick giggs and fletcher and talented youth in jones anderson and cleverley so i feel we would still be good enough to be challenging for everything. We could of course sign world class players like benzema ronaldo di maria ozil khedira alonso and diarra to over come barcalona the way that madrid has just brushed barca aside is awe inspiring. There is no players out there who could garrentee us to beat barca especially diarra who didn't help madrid beat them or sneijder who madrid moved on because he wasn't able to do it. Lets hope we sign someone who will improve us but isn't "big" name and trust in our younger players and most importantly Sir Alex.
Shappy

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12 Jul 2011 22:22:11
*****BREAKING NEWS*****

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Fergason is to partner Wesley Sneijder with either Yann M'Vila or Bastian Schweinsteiger in a 60 million plus center midfield partnership that will rival any other club including Spanish Giants and European Champions Barcalona.

Source - Munich teletext (im working over here fixing tram lines through the day and working behind a bar through the night)

Ant Hollond Pies JNR {Ed007's Note - Look, how many times have you tried to post this? I see your IP number when you post in, you are 100% not in Germany, if you keep trying to post like like this you will be banned}

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12 Jul 2011 22:09:49
It may be a bit of a poorly kept secret, but Manchester United striker Frederico Macheda has let out a leak from inside Old Trafford that Wesley Sneijder's unveiling could be imminent.
The Italian took to the social networking site to say he hopes to see Inter Milan's Dutch playmaker joining the club on their US tour very soon... before hastily deleting it again.
An official confirmation will be with us before the weekend, says Goaltastic

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12 Jul 2011 21:39:47
Everyone needs to calm down over these Inter quotes He is not going to come out and say that they don't need Sneijder and are looking to sell because if he does stay then he would be unhappy. Give SAF some time and he will male the right choice. I still have a sneaky feeling about Nasri though

MUFC 19

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12 Jul 2011 21:23:32
Scholes

I have been watching his situation with interest.

He suddenly has opinions for a start.

I am wondering what his role is going to be? Coach, but coach of what? I read an article about it and even Scholes doesnt know yet.

Scholes has expressed a couple of opinions about the youth team and interestingly about Morrison. Reports say Ravel has been training with the first team and impressive at that, Scholes has also commented on his physical strength.

Is Scholes lined up to develop the key members of the youth team , to bring them on to first team standard , to mentor the potential of Ravel.

Now I dont always read everything into SAF comments but the little point tagged on to his comment on Nasri could be telling us something. "The next few weeks could help us in that respect. Someone could emerge out of the youth team and we carry on"

When Ronaldo stood out at 17 SAF didnt hesitate, from what I read Ravel is now outstanding in the reserves and training, I have a feeling Scholes is being assigned to bring him on and who better.

This is not to say we wont sign someone but if and that is a big if Ravel is showing SAF a talent like Ronaldo did then is it Ravel time and is it time to play him?

From what I have seen Ravel has a lot of talent, if he has come back this summer and has taken that step up then perhaps just perhaps we are seeing the start of a great and the whole time will Scholes be there to guide him , to bridge the gap straight from the youth to the first team as well as the other major talents from the youth?

Red Man

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12 Jul 2011 21:02:58
"It would be impossible to get another Paul Scholes, but if we can get a player along similiar lines in terms of the quality of his passing and vision, then yes, we'd have to do something."

- Sir Alex Ferguson

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12 Jul 2011 20:31:56
To Shappy,

Wasn't that pass against everton?

=v1=

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12 Jul 2011 20:30:47
Looks like nasri wnt be signing for united bit of a shame an sneijder is also doubtful united rli need a CM maybe tom cleverly shud be moved up to the first team

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12 Jul 2011 20:22:05
Anybody see this premiership team on Goal.com is all top team for premiership... I know I'm a united fan but seaman in goals, no keane, stam, ronaldo, Rooney... Ah I suppose we had to give the other teams a look in lol

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12 Jul 2011 20:20:34
Any idea on when Fletch will be back to full fitness?
I think we missed him towards the end of last season and especially in the big games where he does so well.
I think if Sneijder does come then Fletch will be perfect to do the defensive role in midfield.


Red Daz.

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12 Jul 2011 19:49:50
Everyone's slating Anderson for not being able to pass long but i think your looking at it the wrong way, Anderson can pass long but he always looks to do the tidy neat short passes and looks to either beat his man with pace or pass around him rather then lug it over him. Now as far as i can remember it wasn't Barca's long ball tactics that beat us but their posession football that was full of short passes and change of pace to beat players, so surely if we are looking to play more like them then we need players who are more inclined to keep the ball either by carrying it forward or by short passes not players who keep looking for the defense splitting long ball that only works once in every ten attempts with you giving the ball away 9 times outta 10. I not saying Anderson's the answer but he was awesome in his first season especially in the Arsenal game where he dominated fabregas then he kept picking up injuries and didn't get a run of games to get his form back, then towards the end of last season he got a run of games and stared to look like the player we thought/hoped he could be. Now lets just keep our fingers crossed that he gets a good pre-season behind him and has an injury free season then we'll see the best of him and be better placed to judge him.
Shappy

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12 Jul 2011 19:33:44
Couldn't agree more mate. United will always have a scapegoat in the squad, someone plastic fans can take their anger out on. It's really sad.

Sydney!

The ultimate armchair, mouthy plastic fan who has the absolute cheek to call any other fan plastic. You are the biggest joke of a fan on here. Never go, always got a dismissive comment for those you don't agree with...you berk

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12 Jul 2011 19:16:38
Glad I got lots of responses on my posts about Anderson earlier today. I think a good healthy debate is what is needed and not just everyone agreeing and sticking up for our players all the time.
I really hope Anderson shows what he's made of this season but I will be surprised if it happens and I can't see SAF picking him that much.
Anyway let's not abuse each other we all support the same team and want the same things.


Red Daz.

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12 Jul 2011 19:14:22
"Latest from sky sports news marco branca inters technical director has said 'no deal' has been agreed to sell snijder and he is 'untransferable' looks like another summer when we don't sign the players we need guys......"

What would you like them to say? "Sneijder's for sale, come and get him". They're saying he's not for sale to drive up the price. Whenever an Inter director is asked about Sneijder they're always very careful how they word their responses. It's quite clear that they're open to selling him. Sneijder himself, won't even rule out a move.

Whether he comes to United is another matter.

Matthew...

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12 Jul 2011 19:12:37
i believe we will need a striker this window a new goalscorer. i think we will lack the goals next season because of our personel up front. apart from rooney, berbatov will not have a look in and hernandez will have a very difficult season, due to the gold cup and copa america, also when he came no one knew who he was so they didn't know how to play him. next season people would of sussed him out, also there will be more pressure put on from his great for season. i can see owen getting more involved next season but i believe we need a constant goalscorer, somene like rossi or falcao what do you think.

aaall5

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12 Jul 2011 18:56:25
been told were looking to beat AC milan and Juve to the signing of Danilo Luiz da Silva or just Danilo as he's known, he's an 19yo DM/RB who plays for santos, were trying to use the good relationship we gained with them when selling them Possebon to try and push through a deal. If he signs it's expected that he'll go on loan to FC Twente for a year or two to acclimitise him to european football and to gain a work permit.
Shappy

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12 Jul 2011 18:36:01
Something occurred to me. for the the neg attitude on Anderson. I'm thinking this. bear with me

brown oshea hargreaves scholes gone. berbatov became more peripheral, van der saar has gone. A lot of the old team out. so, the youngsters grow in standing. more so than in any other season. brings on maturity. sure of it. Put yourself in that dressing room and picture it. The youngsters ; anderson, to some degree rooney nani, to some degree valencia, now step up, will feel the difference. More responsible. and to be clear Alex didnt last this long by grounding players over night. They go through stages. out with the old and in the with the new thats already there. This will bring more out from Ando

can start feeling like its his team not theirs. you'll see it in his play.

judging too easy in my opinion young players against the likes of the one offs like sniedjer was in his youth goetze kagawa our own twins making instant impacts.
There are less youngsters making waves so early as there is talent that can achieve very good levels of playing. Noticing youngsters more in strongish teams but not so much in the elite teams.

The lesser teams bringing them through quicker trying to keep afloat while pushing up, higher turnover of playing staff, so they mature quicker right? i mean there are plenty youngsters that have there potential brought out slower but still reach optimum at peak age.

fletch is good example for those who know his ability .
Standout youngsters, not just down to ability that gets them noticed. Its the variables. Anderson has the ability to be equal with erikson and kagawa and goetze and all the others currently in the limelight but the variables have brought them on quicker. and who's to say they will sustain it? look at kaka, serious drops in form it isnt always great to bring them on quick. Xavi was a late one but still sustaining now. Then seedorf and maldini and the likes, Alex is a huge fan of the ac milan model of sustaining players longer
to finish
Nani Ronaldo, plenty of people saying they should have gone b4 they were consistent. im going with sydney and ngiak's views on this. Ando will be fine, more responsibility, more belief in his part in the team and saf has cannily, don't think unwittingly, played him out of position when he peaks he'll be adept at both attack and defence.

Believe me you got every reason to get excited about what he can bring to the team. And that goes for many of the youngsters coming through.

anyone missing the point that our youth are some of the best in europe, from anderson to pogba aint gonna see the impact coming. but you'll be witness to some of the best football ANY united team has produced in spite of it, its going to hit you. and for those of us that see it coming. well, lucky us ;) my thesis over. damn, I just cant write short. Constantine Red

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12 Jul 2011 18:29:55
Latest from sky sports news marco branca inters technical director has said 'no deal' has been agreed to sell snijder and he is 'untransferable' looks like another summer when we don't sign the players we need guys......

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12 Jul 2011 18:25:49
"It would be impossible to get another Paul Scholes, but if we can get a player along similiar lines in terms of the quality of his passing and vision, then yes, we'd have to do something." WESLEY SNEIJDER ? ? ?

- Sir Alex Ferguson

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12 Jul 2011 18:13:06
Can anyone name a more one footed fat arsed gets knackered after the first ten minutes of each half than Anderson. He has the turning circle of an oil tanker. If chasing girls round Manchester at 3 in the morning or partying was an olympic sport he would be a gold medalist. Some people are saying Anderson is the answer to our midfield problem, The only answer Anderson is is who ate all the pies....RAINFISHTROMBONE

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12 Jul 2011 18:13:05
So now goal.com have a source close to the negotiations and he says inter and united have yet to agree a fee. But inter could agree for as low as 30 mill pounds....
1. What do they mean by as low as 30?
2. I dont trust any site after the nasri thing ..especially not goal.com
but deep down in our hearts ...we all want this to go through if fergie can do the deal for about 27-30 million....dont we ....
DJ

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12 Jul 2011 17:57:54
The Sun claimed today that Sneijder will sign for United this week for £35 million.

An interesting quote was that Sneijder had been in contact with Dutch team mate and Man City midfielder... Nigel De Jong and asked where the best places are to live in Manchester.

If this quote is true then I think Sneijder is definately coming.

Interesting transfer window this season. Must admit.

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12 Jul 2011 17:49:58
Heard BEBE is signing for luton town for half a dip dab and a lollipop stick. You heard it here first.

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12 Jul 2011 17:44:02
Manchester United are reportedly interested in signing Wesley Sneijder for £35 million after a senior member of Sir Alex Ferguson's staff said the Dutchman would be "perfect" for the Premier League champions.

I'd be the last person to criticise Ferguson - he's my sporting hero, along with Jennifer Capriati - but it's a shame he hadn't reached that conclusion about Sneijder two years ago when Real Madrid offered the player in part exchange for Cristiano Ronaldo. United could have pocketed £65 million and acquired a 25-year-old who was set to have the season of his life. But no, they took £80 million for Ronnie, signed Antonio Valencia (good), Michael Owen (five league goals in two season) and Gabriel Obertan (not good enough) while the Dutchman joined Inter Milan, starred in their Champions League-winning campaign and went all the way to the World Cup final with Holland.

Two years on from the Ronaldo offer, United could be on the verge of splashing a club record fee on a player they could have got for less than half the price when he was two years younger. That's bad and it's happened too often in recent years. For example, why did United not sign Dimitar Berbatov from Bayer Leverkusen when he would have been a third of the fee and two years younger (sound familiar?)? Why did they not get Michael Carrick when he left West Ham and would have been a third of the fee and two years younger? Why did they not snap up Gareth Bale and Luka Modric, two players they are reportedly interested in, before they'd made their names at Tottenham. If Spurs' management and scouts have the foresight to uncover top talent why don't United's?

Of course, there have been successes, the discovery of Javier Hernandez - a snip at seven million and a good bet to be Premier League top goalscorer at 9.4 - but there haven't been too many in recent years. Nani had a decent season last term but you'd be hard pressed to say that he and Anderson have justified their large fees. Berbatov is 1.85 to leave this summer and, if so, would anyone really be able to argue that he had been a truly effective £30 million signing?

For every Hernandez there has been a David Bellion, an Obertan, a Bebe; for every Roy Keane, an Eric Djemba-Djemba, Neil Webb, Liam Miller; for every Nemanja Vidic, a David May, Henning Berg, Mikael Silvestre; for every Van der Sar, a Ricardo, Fabien Barthez, Mark Bosnich. And they're not producing many young players either.

It's easy to be wise after the fact, as some bright spark will undoubtedly point out in the comments section below, but fans rely on Ferguson and his expensively assembled team of scouts to see things that the rest of us (journalists included) don't. The most successful manager in the club's history bows to nobody in terms of his ability to bring trophies to Old Trafford and that is the most important thing. But at a time when the club is in potentially toxic amounts of debt, it would surely be wise for his scouts to identify player's talents sooner rather than later.

Just seen this, how right, fergie only buys proven premier league players generally.

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12 Jul 2011 17:42:11
If you're going to use the childish reasoning that because one team beat another they must be better then why not go as far as to say that Leeds United are better than Manchester United because they beat us in the F.A. cup the other year?

You could even go as far as to say that as Stevenage Town beat Newcastle United last year (and are therefor a much better team by your logic) who in turn beat Arsenal who are a better team than Manchester United (as they beat us in our most recent match) then Stevenage Town are our superiors. Who would have thought?

Grow up.
T0MB0Z"""
dear mr tomboz
guess your retort was really adult-like ngiak assumes you think so
by the way, it was just an example to counter an unnamed mr know it all who said sneijder was class but had a WHOLE bad season
and that anderson never played a single good game and was crap for 4 seasons which he gave examples?
maybe if you were "grown up" enough, you would have tried to comprehend the reason why this retort was made by ngiak and the threads prior to this.
but maybe you have no time to do so much, other than typing long highly mature retorts with a "moral advise" at the end of the berating?
its ok, ngiak understands... you dont have to run and hide in shame..
gan

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12 Jul 2011 17:32:45
Change of track here, theres been loads said about midfield signings and i don't think there is much more people can say about who it'll be and their thoughts on them. So what about a potential striker signing? Personally i doubt there will be one, i expect Berbatov and Macheda to leave but i expect Welbeck Diouf and Owen to be given more games next season as back up for first choice of Rooney and Hernandez. But if we were to sign a striker who would you want it to be?

For me it'd be between Hulk and Falcao, but i think Hulk shades it being abit younger and scoring and assisting more goals last season.

So which striker would you like to see at united?

Shappy {Ed007's Note - I'll stick with Higuan, Shappy}

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12 Jul 2011 17:13:31
How many people have subscribed MUTV to watch our pre-season games in the US, five games in the US, one in Wales for the opening of Llanelli's new stadium. There could be one against Napoli too. That's 6-7 games for £6. Subscribe it now, then in one month cancel it, you cannot moan at 6-7 games for £6.

A chance to see Lindegaard, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, De Gea, Welbeck, Diouf & Young all in action. US Stadiums with 80k-100k capacity filled. It's a great occasion for the lads and we can all have an opinion on the players before the season kicks off. Come on RedMan, trust me you won't regret it bud.

Press 'Agree' if you will be watching the game tomorrow night @ 11:30pm?

Sydney!

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12 Jul 2011 17:11:04
I think as a supporter you should be able to have an opinion on each and every player be it good or bad (but still support the player)
I think Anderson has a lot of potential and this could be his year , however i said that last year.
Carrick , Park , fletcher are all good players but are they really great players and this is where the problem is.
I think we have a great squad but only a good team
i know we won the title and got to the euro final which is an amazing achievement for any club , but where not any club , for some teams ( ourselves Barce, madrid millian) because of the traditions of the clubs its not just about winning.
Before you start shouting glory hunter i started supporting man united in the early 80s when a FA cup final was like winning the world cup for me.
I think we have had better starting 11s that won nothing that where better than our current starting 11. look at the 98 team specialy the midefield Schmeical
Nevile, Johnsen Stam Irwin
Beckham Keane Scholes Giggs
Sheringham Cole
I'm not saying we have a poor team far from it , we have a very good team , but its not a great team and it wont be untill we change some of the players or players like Anderson make the step up.

let the abuse begin jred

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12 Jul 2011 16:57:21
Well Sergio Ramos just signed a new contract for Real and one of Inters sporting directors has just come out and said Sneijder is not going anways unless they receive a "mega-galactic" bid for him. So is 35 mil mega-galactic? I guess well have to see... is he worth any more than that... I am not sure.

source ESPN Soccernet
Tom.

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12 Jul 2011 16:40:43
i'm sensing SAF is up to something...all this reports/news about nasri@sneider is to throw people off...i think he's gonna buy someone that no one ever thought he would buy..most of the time if he makes a statement about buying a player, all the other big money club will also start going after same player, man city in specific...for example ozil@robben@essien@benzema@di maria@silva and now sanchez....i remember SAF had eye on these players but they end up at other club with financial being the issue..
another thing....spend 35million for a 27year old star?thats not SAF...lookout for hazard, sissoko, mueller...just a thought

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12 Jul 2011 16:27:12
Napoli have just offered Man United 1 million euro to play a friendly... Also, Anyone else think SAF is just playing mind games regarding his Nasri comments? Or do you think he has agreed to sign for another club? If so, Which club? Finally, Would you be happy if we signed sneijder or Lass Diarra?

A.S.H.W.I

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12 Jul 2011 16:10:11
Gan, you are starting to chat a bit of nonsense today mate, anderson has never been given a real chance but he should do this season, we can judge him then.

He has been injured a few times in his career and that will have affected his game but if he stays fit and learns to shoot he can be a star.

Dont forget he was the star player for brazils youngsters when we signed him, you dont get that title from being poor.

1redarmy""
dear mr 1redarmy
sorry to point it out to you so blatantly dear sir
but that was exactly what ngiak meant
thanks
gan

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12 Jul 2011 16:07:23
Ngiak apparently does not know the difference between Inter and A.C. Milan or believes that Sneijder plays for the later. Tottenham Hotspur knocked out A.C. whilst Inter and Sneijder fell to the might of F.C. Schalke. Perhaps they don't show the Champions League in America?"""
dear sir
ngiak sincerely apologises
the great schalke midfield, that our midfield did not even break a sweat, let alone get out of walking pace, destroyed and overran sneijder and his hapless inter midfield
ngiak would certainly think with 35 million, we could get the whole schalke midfield? rather than a player who was dreadfully outshone?
gan

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12 Jul 2011 16:04:39
That is a poor summary of Anderson, he can pass, it's actually one of his best attributes, he can tackle and he is great at intercepting play. He is very strong in midfield. But he cannot shoot and he does have a lard @rse. Two things he can work on, he needs a decent run of games IMO.

Sydney!

you call him a lard *** huh...yes he actually covered a distance of 9.8 kilometeres in the shalke game.....and my assesment was poor
and i meant passes as in picking out 30-40 yarders like deep lying playmakers do...like our scholesy did, like giggsy does when played thru the middle, like wayne does..like modric , xavi, pirlo ect do.no short passes...he is very good at them i knowsomehow my point wasnt understood....
he was called the next ronaldihno wasnt he?...so was ronny a deep lying defensive mid or was he the one who got in the little spaces behind the strikers and pick out passes + score goals......ando is almost the same player (tactically) though he lacks the trickery of ronny, in modern day football that is so fast specially the epl...players have no time for showboating nyways...
p.s...sweet and simple..my point is we are underestimating Ando... he can be very very good..
DJ

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12 Jul 2011 16:04:07
If you ask me , i don't think we should buy sneijder cos he's 27 , way past his peak and his pay is too much ... we can spend the same amount and buy Paulo henrique Ganso.
He's young , fast , left footed and needs about 2 years of european football to become an elite player MONTY SHARMA m/

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12 Jul 2011 15:36:12
A different week, a different player being criticised by his own fans who claim he is not United quality. Young, Carrick, Anderson...who next I wonder? I guess there is a big difference between a Manchester United fan and a Manchester United supporter.

TK-Red

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12 Jul 2011 15:05:04
Now I'm not in denial and like the boss said it looks unlikely nasri will come to united. But why didn't he come out and say 100% no chance is fergie playing mind games with him to sign making him make his decision soon it was all I think and all I can tell you which is not like the boss he normally give a straight yes or no so it just got me wondering what everyone else thinks like I said I would be suprised myself now if he did sign but there were a lot of rumours saying he did prefer united and no definitive no in the interview so there may be still a slight chance

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12 Jul 2011 15:04:39
Any comments about anderson are completely unfair, he hasn't had a proper run in the team due to the players around him, he has had injuries and he probably lacks confidence due to losers like some of you mocking him, same goes for gibson but he is going now.

Yes he cant shoot but he offers physical presence and if someone can teach him to get in space in the box he will be a hell of a player. Shooting can be taught to a player but he needs fans behind him if he is going to succeed.

1redarmy

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12 Jul 2011 14:54:06
Well well dear mr expert of watching football
ngiak would have to disagree with you that anderson has had average seasons everytime he was free of injury
and you did contradict yourself that class is permanent yet sneijder had a WHOLE bad season
and if you think that sneijder was better than anderson last season...
again, a HUGE difference in opinion
guess we are not watching the same games
by the way, you seem to insinuate that the italian league is of equal standard to the EPL?
not even close.
sneijder was less than average in a very poor league (compared to the epl) with a team that was eliminated by TOTTENHAM HOTSPURS in the champions league?
and you still say sneijder is better than anderson last season..
hmmm... very astute of you ngiak has to say.
ngiak really has never watched soccer for sure...
gan
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Ngiak apparently does not know the difference between Inter and A.C. Milan or believes that Sneijder plays for the later. Tottenham Hotspur knocked out A.C. whilst Inter and Sneijder fell to the might of F.C. Schalke. Perhaps they don't show the Champions League in America?

I will agree with Gan that Sneijder had a poor season in comparison with the one which proceeded it (although that may have been down to burnout after a fantastic world cup) but also fail to see how Anderson has shown himself to be a better player. Whilst he has shown glimpses of brilliance he has not yet begun to justify his transfer fee.

In regards to whether the Italian league is comparable to the EPL I would again have to disagree. Serie A may not be as popular as the EPL but it is one of the most competitive leagues in Europe and has some great players plying their trade in it. The game is played differently over there so I don't think it's fair to draw direct comparisons with other leagues in terms of that.

I'm sure you can reel off the names of a bunch of players who have come over to England from the Italian league and failed to adapt to our style of play - but there are probably just as many (if not more) who were able to and made a big impression. How many English players can you think of who've started out in the EPL and gone and made a difference over in Italy? (I can only really think of Robbie Keane who even tried in recent times and 0 goals in 9 appearances kind of proves my point)

In the past 9 years Italian clubs have won the Champions League 3 times - which is as many times as Spanish clubs and more than English clubs have. Perhaps I've been a little selective by choosing that stat but as far as I'm concerned it proves my point well enough (although I'm sure somebody will end up giving me the EUFA country coefficients to counter it).
T0MB0Z

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12 Jul 2011 14:47:39
lol never trust what fergie says in press confs, with how he works i prob now think hes more in for nasri than lets on, he was never gona say yes nasri a possible deal as press would be on&on so done the normal say something for them to back off, he never said no we dont want or were not in for nasri& with doesnt expect or thinks will sign for somebody else isnt saying anything, it may well be we dont get nasri but i woudnt rule it out yet, at times its no were not signing anybody then we next week get deal done, during season its no such a player is out on the fri aftern then come sat hes in starting line up

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12 Jul 2011 14:06:43
I have read in several places that Inter are keen to sell Sneider in order to raise funds for Pastore. Personally though probably even dearer I would rather have Pastore than Sneider, that is just my opinion, but I think bar lacking in pace, Pastore has everything else to be one of the best.
If, as it appears to be, all these Sneider stories have truth in them. Is Ferguson possibly signing a marquee player for:

a) An instant replacement/hit for Scholes (though irreplacable)
b) A mid term solution, also possibly to nurse and pass on experience to the likes of Pogba, Cleverly and Morrison over the next 3/4 years?

Although as already mentioned, Sneider wouldnt be my choice, he is a top player. What I cant understand though, is if we have this interest, why apparently did we not show interest in doing a deal for the player when we sold Ronaldo to Madrid and he was at the club at the time? He would have been probably half the price he is now.

Invisible Stuey

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12 Jul 2011 13:47:29
To be fair SAF has been insistent on playing Anderson in a deeper role, every time he has given Anderson license to attack in the CAM role, he has took full advantage of it. Have you forgotten the Blackburn, Schalke & Valencia games? He was superb. I expect he will be star player of the US Tour along with Smalling & Chicharito.

Sydney!"""
dear mr Sydney!
clearly, you, like ngiak, do not watch soccer
and clearly you, like ngiak, does not know the strengths of each of OUR OWN TEAM'S players
and clearly, like ngiak, you seem to not be overawed and star struck by fancy, expensive, poor league players with fancy european names.
according to some star struck teenager over here, we must be watching the wrong games.
gan

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12 Jul 2011 13:24:10
Cant see Why People call anderson "bad/slacker/anything bad"
well i wont defend him...but can you all plz give me 1...yes JUST ONE game where he was run over by someone in midfield?
also reading somewhere that sneijder would show a thing or two to ando bout passing?...
well anderson is not the player you expect he will be, he is an attacking cam that lover to run with the ball and he is not a deep lying playmaker that looks for passses.....Anyone remembes a certain home leg of the champions league semi final this year..hmm?

(ps.. sorry if im infuriating the ed's by posting again and again...its just that im boored as college is yet to start and i cant find any good material on nuclear engineering *sigh*)

DJ {Ed007's Note - No worries DJ, post away to your little hearts content}

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12 Jul 2011 13:05:10
He has been at the club 4 years and produced nothing as far as I can see.
His shooting is woeful and I have never seen a Brazilian with such a bad first touch.
Really don't know how he got a new contract.
I would sell him today if somebody would take him.
Really hope we get Sneidjer so maybe he can show Anderson how to control and pass a ball.

Red Daz."""
dear mr red daz
"as far as i can see"
hmmm... ngiak wonders if you do realise how many negative retorts can be manufactured on that line of your alone?
maybe Jynda'sjaen would have been your choice of spelling for his name with double the amount we actually paid for him?
he is 22. he has played some really huge games for man united against many big teams.
injuries have actually stunted his development a little
but he came on strong end of the season.
"as far as you can see" dear sir
what did you think of sneijder this season?
did you see him play? did you?
what was your opinion, please?
he was less than average, just on "seeing" these two players last season, without the name spelling or reputation or past achievement,
it would certainly be anderson, HANDS DOWN
gan
ps... you know what? anderson can only get better while sneijder is already passing over the crest of his peak

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12 Jul 2011 13:07:32
what about Bebe's replacement?

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12 Jul 2011 13:01:36
There is a lot of people saying we shouldnt sign sneijder cos he plays deep like rooney. but by signing sneijder rooney can play as a proper forward, and i reckon u remember what happened last time he did that?
09/10 season 34 goals

TRUMORS

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12 Jul 2011 12:58:14
I had my doubts about the source, but thin are looking good. He told me that United had bid £30m last week for Sneijder. I think he could be right regarding Sneijder, but I have a feeling we will see Kagawa end up at OT, just a feeling with no foundation.

Sydney!"""
dear mr Sydney!
now thats a very good feeling
add to that either goetze or hernanes it would be better
more realistically, ngiak also fancies the bannan or parker stories.
we shall see.
hope we dont get the expensive overrated guys..
gan

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12 Jul 2011 12:51:25
Just wanted to come on and say what is all this rubbish about how Anderson is a great player and will step up next season and is Scholes' replacement.
He has been at the club 4 years and produced nothing as far as I can see.
His shooting is woeful and I have never seen a Brazilian with such a bad first touch.
Really don't know how he got a new contract.
I would sell him today if somebody would take him.
Really hope we get Sneidjer so maybe he can show Anderson how to control and pass a ball.

Red Daz.

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12 Jul 2011 12:51:04
ngiak is amazed
sneijder says he will be very disappointed if he leaves milan
pastore wants to stay in italy
sir alex says nasri going elsewhere
modric says its ONLY clelsea for him
sanchez dream move to barca
yet people here are still "re-interpreting" such simple words to mean something else
well, unlike the majority of the clearly younger generation on this site
and their "opinions" that these are world class and the "third best" in their position etc
ngiak is quite happy that these have been reported today and yesterday.
gan

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12 Jul 2011 12:37:32
Scholes was a legend, but we have been playing without him for a while now.

Sydney!

Dont know what that line means but the point i wanted to make was i agree he wasn't up to his best but it would be cynical to say that that he wasn't important to the team
but i agree scholsey was and always will be a legend for us
DJ

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12 Jul 2011 12:26:34
Everyones talking about Scholes' replacement.

If any of you watch the youth team you'll realise that Pogba could play that holding role he also scores a couple of screamers. RYan Tunnicliffe is a good shout as well. ALong with the famous Ravel Morrison.

We just need a player with experience in a deep lying play maker role like Bastian Schweinstiger.

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12 Jul 2011 12:13:09
Why does everyone continue to bring up the resale value on Sneijder? What's wrong with him ending his career with United. At 27, he can play until he's at least 35, that's eight solid years. Paying 35 mil for the third best creative midfielder in the game ( only behind Xavi and Iniesta in my honest opinion) for six plus years is a great deal. Hope we're able to snatch him up by the week's end.

SpartyOn

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12 Jul 2011 11:13:54
I thought SAF was a bit vague regarding Samir Nasri, he doesn't think this or does think that, surely he would be totally in the know over transfer activity at United

So.. either he is playing the classic mind games over this or he never had any interest in the player in the first place

So now everyone is back to the Sneijder rumours, personally I would take the sun newspaper with a pinch of salt.

Remember when does SAF ever go for the player you think he will?

Welsh Red Devil

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12 Jul 2011 11:10:07
Now looking at recent comments by Sir Alex it would appear that we won't be signing Nasri, i must admit i'm a little sad at that but Sir Alex knows whats best.
It looks like his comments about young players stepping up are meaning Anderson and Cleverley and i would much prefer to see one of these lads prove themselves to be world class next season then us spend a fortune on a player who could potentially flop.
I don't think we will sign any of Modric Schweinstieger or Sneijder simply because they are all 26/27 would all coast over 30m and would all be on very high wages and have no resale value if they didn't do as well as hoped. Once biten twice shy springs to mind. And on top of all of that none of them hits me as a typical united signing.
I feel the new midfielder will be someone who's talented and ready to make the step up to the next level, someone who isn't a big name now but in a year or two's time will be. That way we get much better value and if they don't turn out like planned then we haven't spent a fortune on them.
I've got six potential Signings who i feel would suit us best for what i feel we need, so this is just my opinion not definate targets(although most have been linked at some point).

Arturo Vidal- for me has it all and is a potential worlds best one day. His vision is very good as his 12 assists last year will show and his 13 goals shows that he knows where the goal is. He's brilliant defensively and a hard worker, has played in germany which is proberly the closet league to the prem in terms of style and at 24 is the ideal age as he won't get in the way of the youngsters coming up through yet still offers his best years to us.

Keisuki Honda- surprised he hasn't been mentioned more often. at 25 is a good age. He has the best vision of all the players on this list and is proberly one of the most adaptable, he can play as a deep-lying playmaker an attacking midfielder a second striker and on the left wing. He also has an awesome free kick which is something we've been missing for awhile. His being Japanese would also do us well in the asian market as park isn't getting any younger and proberly only has two more years left with us.

Steven Defour- Is a great all rounder with very good vision and passing, at 23 is a good age. The only potential problems with him is he's never played in a top league(but neither had Hernandez) and is possibly abit injury prone(two big injuries in the last 3 years and he' s not exactly old).

Sami Khedira- Is the player i feel we missed out on more than Ozil last year. I think he's much more dynamic than Ozil and is a better all round player in that he's able to both attack and defend where as Ozil's defensive qualities have a question mark over them. My only concern is that he hasn't done great at Madrid alhough that doesn't bother me enough to not make a move for him. Also he is available as he hasn't settled in spain, could be a great player for a good price.

Moussa Sissoko- Has great pressence and is as good defending as he is going forward. His vision isn't the best and he's the one on this list that needs the most devloping but that's hardly surprising as he's the youngest at 21(although he will be 22 two days into the new season), but i feel that could work against him as we have young players who need devloping we need players who can make the differance now, also he would get in the way of our youngsters coming through.

Ever Banega- The last on my list, at 23 is at a good age and starting to show how good he is. Of everyone on this list i would say he has the best passing as well as decent vision although he doesn't get as many goals/assists as a play of his quality should be getting. The negitive points are that he's has problems with Alcohol and has been a disruptive influance in the dressing room. Also it took him along time to settle in spain and the Prem would really test him and it could take awhile for him to adjust.

So that's the list in order of my personal preferance, let me know what you guys think and what players you feel we should go for.

Shappy

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12 Jul 2011 10:48:43
Am i right Ed,

Morrison, Pogba and Tunnicliffe are been sent on loan, so they are not going to be a part of united team this season?

RedArmy7

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12 Jul 2011 10:53:57
yet again we snooze and lose nasri prob staying at arsenal and then leaving for man city--modric head turned by chelsea if he doesnt leave now he will next year and sneijder a few years too late when we could have snapped him up before he went to madrid for about £10 mill either players are good enough or not -isnt that what scouts are for? if the scouts say this player is really good we should invest surely it makes sense to invest while they are young and learning and relatively cheaper and then sell on if not working out? not saying that sneijder isnt worth it but £30-40 million for a player who we will probably get 5-6 top years from before he retires back to Holland? we miss out on too many top players to ever compete with Barca or Madrid i'm afraid--suarez and sanchez another two that come to mind

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12 Jul 2011 10:47:02
I think the squad numbers which are given to 3 new coming players are just temporary, Although De Gea will be No 1, ..but i doubt for Jones and Young.

Check the united first team squad, they are changed to 0, 0, 0 for all three.., , , May be the permanant squad numbers will be given before the season kicks in August..
We know there will be 3 or 4 players possibly leaving, ..
Gibson, Kuszczak, Berbatov, Obertan, (NANI)..

And there could be new arrivals as well..

OOZ

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12 Jul 2011 10:36:34
No value in the Market

Can't see sneider so get ready for our youngsters like Gibson stepping up, yep fergie stops Gibson transfer as there is no value in Market ......

Believable2 Unbelievable4

12 Jul 2011 10:33:34
IF we do sign Sneijder what number do people think he will be given?

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12 Jul 2011 10:27:13
i said this weeks ago and no one believed me, man utd are going to sell carrick and berbatov for shweinsteiger, and buy sniejder for 33m, so thats are new midfield pairing with fletcher and park back ups. i heard this from an insider at the club, but i cant say names as he has trusted me not to.

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12 Jul 2011 10:13:16
said all along nasri to stay

the transfer muppet

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12 Jul 2011 09:59:06
Good morning Guys
This is just a thought but could it be possible that after Fergies comments about Nasri that he will stay at Arsenal this season and we will get him for nothing after that.On top of that if we do manage to get Sneider this season the prospect of both of them playing the following season is mouth watering.

Bazza

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12 Jul 2011 09:34:11
for those people who think bebe is awful can do one. he is a good player just not been played enough to be better. he has been put on loan for a reason.. to improve so next season he will be better. then hes only 19-20 years old soo hes still a baby so SAF will involve him more in the teams like play him in all the cup games and some PL games so he can pick up his performance. in 3 years time he will be a current name on the team sheet playing a striking role or a winger. hes got great high and good feet.. dont lose faith in him

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12 Jul 2011 08:59:42
Can I just ask why do SO many Liverpool and s**tty fans come onto this site {Ed007's Note - Because it is a banter site}

Believable2 Unbelievable0

12 Jul 2011 08:43:47
Don't think Nasri will go to City. It would be better for Arsenal to sell him to Utd as City are Arsenals rivals for 3rd/4th place.

City are a team that have a few problems too, not all players are happy they play well then have a bad run play well have a bad run. Players dont always play in their best positions. Nasri is guarented to play in middle. Id offer £25 million for him

Believable4 Unbelievable0

12 Jul 2011 08:38:37
SAF says Nasri not going to United ..shame that

Pardoe

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12 Jul 2011 08:14:42
Ed, what do you make of SAF comments thy in the media today? What do you think he means by it? Mind games? Or conceding that we won't sign him?
WS + SN {Ed040's Note - it wouldnt surprise me if we do still sign nasri fergie been playing games like this for years but if its not nasri it will be someone else trust me we havent finshed in the transfer market

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12 Jul 2011 08:13:17
We have nobody too replace scholes? IMO the only person who would come close to replacing him is Iniesta.

however, realistically we have Anderson who is very similar in style too a young Scholes and then we also have Cleverley who can be a mix of both the deep and attacking version of him.

The Moon

Do I be watching the same games as you people. Anderson is nowhere near United quality. Having 5 good games a season doesn't constitute a future world beater and comparing him to a young Scholes is an insult.

Scholes in his pomp as a forward could finish, could strike a ball with two feet better than anyone, for a small fella he was great in the air and had pin point accuracy with his passing. The most important thing you need to be world class is a footballing brain.

Now Anderson can't pass a ball 5 yards let alone 40. I'v seen my granny take better shots on goal and she's dead and I'v never seen him head the ball. He does have good points, he'll get in your face, breaks up play well, decent tackler and has got a great turn of pace but comparing him to Scholes in any way shape or form is a joke. To be the only thing the had in common was they played for the same team.

Mumbles

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12 Jul 2011 08:00:00
bad news: modric signed for chelsea:(
but, why don't we get a right back?
we've got loads of centre mids(young, rooney, park etc.) but with o'shea going the only right back here is rafael-but he gets sent off a lot. ramos would be nice but a bit expensive, dani alves but even more expensive, maicon or even zanetti would do.

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12 Jul 2011 07:41:34
# in reply to everyone's fav line of the day
"scholes wasnt as good as he used to be in the last 3-4 years"

i mean ...wow do people here even watch football?
Honest replies plz...
Just to remind you guyz of a few examples...
Who scored the winner at the eastlands ...with a header?..a game that was soo important right at the end of the season?
Maybe you guyz dont remember that...well u sure would remember the last time we beat barca?
Who was the scorer? A 12th min thunderbolt in the champions league semi final?
Ohh i dont think scholes did all of this apart from dominating the midfield in each and every game he played in
DJ

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12 Jul 2011 07:16:54
So we now hear Fergie stating that he thinks Nasri has agreed to go elsewhere... is this not typical Fergie playing mind games? Classic If Nasri is allowed to leave I still feel we have a chance in getting him. Anyone's thoughts? {Ed040's Note - i agree

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12 Jul 2011 07:13:19
Thats it for us in the transfer market then? Unless we bring in someone, starting 11 will be De Gea Rafael Rio Vidic Evra Valencia Fletcher Young Nani Rooney Hernandez...If SAF does bring in a new mid though, I think it will be another Chicha-like signing...a player who is not known but is in essence a fantastic player & therefore good value for money...these big names-Sneijder, Modric, Nasri, Schwensteiger etc are too expensive IMO. IN SAF WE TRUST :)

One United

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12 Jul 2011 06:52:55
- SAF has ruled out signing Samir Nasri from Arsenal

- Sneijder seems like a possibility but i'd prefer someone
younger (200£+ a week is too much for a guy who's
27)

De Gea

Rafael Rio Vidic Evra

Fletcher

Valencia Sneijder/Unexpected Young
Buy

Rooney Hernandez

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12 Jul 2011 03:36:06
Has anyone thought that the reason SAF has recently stated that we prob won't be getting nasri is that he could replace sneijder at inter IF we were to buy him

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12 Jul 2011 02:49:00
"It really does depend what conversations went on between Levy and Modric. I wouldn't be surprised if the conversation had been something along the lines of - sign a new contract at £45k, we're in the Champions League, if we qualify again next year, we'll take you up to £xxx, xxx and, if not, and someone big comes in, we'll let you go. Bear in mind that it was Spurs, not Chelsea, who leaked news of Chelsea's £22m bid to Sky. Levy has previous, remember.

DarkLard08"

My point is DarkLard08 that if Modric signed a new contract on "verbal" assurances then he and his agents are plain stupid, which i don't think they are. If some assurances were given they would have been in terms of a buyout clause which clearly isn't the case.

The fact still remains that he signed a long term contract, rather than a short term one. He was clearly aware that it would be very difficult for Tottenham to qualify again for the CL. Now, that he has signed a new long term contract he should take responsibility for his actions and be prepared to say rather than calling names to Daniel Levy.

It clearly seems to me that Chelsea have made their interest known after he signed the contract and that is what has turned his head and i rather feel he is the one trying to manipulate the facts and not Levy. And even if verbal assurances were given then its Modric's being naive that is to blame.

REDFAITH

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12 Jul 2011 01:51:12
with fergies tactics to usually buy young players with high potential i think that he may target sandro to play in the middle he has some prem experience and became an important player for spurs very quickly knocking both palacios and huddlestone out of the team. he would be a natural defensive midfielder which we havent really had since keane and he would allow the rest of the midfield whatever it is to go more attackive.

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12 Jul 2011 01:03:37
If Andy Carroll cost Liverfools 35 mill then paying 35 mill for Sneijder is a bargain

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12 Jul 2011 00:44:45
Nasri's potential move to Man City really highlights how players are more bothered about a good salary rather than silverware, anybody who's anybody knows United are one of the most successful football clubs in the world, who win silverware on a regular basis, may I remind you Scouse muppets 19-18, and we got to another Champions League final, what do Man City have to show in recent years, a poxy F.A cup and naff all else, at the end of the day it's Nasri's lose, the sign of a good player is that he chooses his club on it's chance of winning trophies rather than getting stupid wages. But if thats how Nasri is going to decide his future then thats his problem.

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12 Jul 2011 00:28:37
seems samir isnt going to be coming but i wouldnt rule it out. fergie said it was unlikely. lets say nasri wants united and not city then i think it would bend wengers hand into selling him now for 20m or losing him for jack all to us next year. also wouldnt wanna see nani go in the p/x with sneijder. still a possibility sneijder is going to come. many have stated he is too old blah blah and tosh like that but look at xavi. he has blossomed even more as he has got older. i am not saying he that sneijder will be the same but he is clearly a quality player and if this was just after the world cup u lot would be screaming for him to be signed. just because he has just come off a difficult season does not mean he is bad or losing it. the same could be said for the rest of the inter team. and that is the same team that won the champions league. remember form is temporary..class is permanent, and sneijder fits that bracket.

park-3-lung

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12 Jul 2011 00:27:00
"Whatever Moon, Essien has been mediocre for the past couple of years. Probably one of the most boring players to watch in one of the most boring positions.

Sydney!"

You're right there mate. The last two years he's been a shadow of his former self. Three years ago he was a brilliant box-to-box player. The complete midfielder. Since the recurring knee injuries he's offered very little to Chelsea.

Moon, to call him the best midfielder in England is just bizarre.

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12 Jul 2011 00:05:59
Has anyone thought of if Nasri goes to City what the hell are they gonna do with Yaya Toure? He has played the central Att Mid last year and exceeded what I was expecting of him. I think they will try and use Nasri out wide an make another waste of a good talent.

Whatever they do... more fool Nasri IMO.

Jono

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