Manchester United Banter Archive June 12 2014

12 Jun 2014 20:59:33
What are we doing?! We have signed nobody and everyone else is doing business. If we had signed all the players the other teams had signed imagine the team we would have. Woodward is a disgrace, LVG should be doing more than he is. Costa and Fabregas should have been the 1st 2 signings. Add in Shaw, Hummels, Kroos, and Sanchez and we would be making progress but no, nothing, nada, zilch. Why has Pogba not signed? And Cavani? Why has Strootman not signed, or Vidal, or Schweinsteiger? It's an absolute disgrace. The only think that would place me now is if we sign Scheydjer. Aaaaarrrgghhhhh

I can't believe it that we haven't bid for Ronaldo and Messi. We should have signed them before the transfer window opened.

12 Jun 2014 21:46:49
Yes I fear it's going to be a let down, why can't we get deals done, strange other teams do.
The best players will be having a good long world cup, then have a holiday , then we will be on pre season tour,then th bidding war, and whoever we get joins late and has a slow start

12 Jun 2014 21:52:22
Nah! It's all right!

I think we will sign maybe sanchez or pedro but that will be as big as it gets.

The players we do sign will just be promising young players around 20-23.

If you think about it that is what we have been doing the last few years as we can't compete with the moneybag clubs, apart from the few exceptions (rvp, mata etc) of course.

12 Jun 2014 22:12:02
Love people who take you serious Tony.

Great post.

I don't think anyone took it serious but nobody feels like laughing at the moment.

13 Jun 2014 00:05:43
Damon,

Lighten up mate, the World Cup is on, we will get our signings I'm sure and the players will be better under LVG anyway.

Maybe the players you listed are just not interested in playing for us? Which is understandable. You can't expect us to sign players such as Vidal, it's just never going to happen. Adjust your expectations. I'd be happy with Shaw, Classie, Bruno Martins Indi and Schweinsteiger. Why is everyone optimistic about us getting Sanchez? It won't happen. If we sign a winger it will be someone young and cheap like Konoplyanka or Depay. Hummels won't sign and neither will Miranda. Come back to this post in September and we'll see just how right I am.

Cant believe how many you snared that time AJH :)

Conditions are not ideal for us. New manager with unfinished business to do first, no CL hook to reel players in, and Woodward. We will be better anyway when the players play for LvG, but I can see it being the usual summer spree of 1 star player and 3 or 4 young hopefuls. As each day passes, a supposed 'target' signs for one of our rivals, who seem to have no trouble sitting players down to sign up. We have to hope that deals are being done, though it's hard to guess who, with top players signing up elsewhere. It's hard to believe LvG is letting Woodward sit at his desk counting paperclips.

13 Jun 2014 08:00:12
Damon,

Are you 100% sure nobody took it seriously?

I started reading the post and then stopped and checked the name. There are some very gullible people in this world, either that or they just don't come on often and don't understand AJH :-)

I recall similar digs at the posters who were concerned last summer, and look at how that turned out.

I am sure we will all be laughing come what next May, when we have won sod all and finished 6th. That said, we would have finished higher than this season and got Europa cup football, as long as one of the big (cough) boys do us a favour.

13 Jun 2014 14:29:55
Sam,

Explain to me who gave a dig? Last summer was a shambles, but whether you moan about it, worry for months or just let it happen and see where we are, we will still be in the same position, so can you see why some people don't worry about it non-stop for 3 months?

Haha perhaps not 100% mate.

Yeah I agree we will be better under Louis it is just frustrating the last few years now how poor we are at clinching deals.

It always seems to be a saga with us

12 Jun 2014 20:36:37
A question to Ed002.
Sorry it's a day late.
Doubts were expressed about the choice of Van Gaal as the new manager. Is that because he has never managed a club in England? All too many successful managers in Spain or Italy have failed in England. Is it because he is autocratic and risks losing the dressing room? Is it because, yet again, he can't take up full time managerial duties until the middle of July?
We have reached the start of the World Cup and the only significant player movements have been out of the Theatre of Dreams, namely Vidic and Ferdinand. Chelsea and Liverpool have both secured signings that will complement their already powerful quads, yet Utd has not. I'll applaud the management team when the essential reinforcements have been announced. We all agree the positions that need to improved urgently. Until then, I have too many doubts.

The absence of CL is clearly a major handicap and with apologies to many posters, OT is not the attraction it was when competitors like PSG were not a threat and the income from Sky was so much less that less successful clubs needed to sell their best players to survive. If Lallana is sold, then I fear that the likelihood of selling Shaw is much reduced. Money in the bank doesn't win matches, your best players do. Too many of the supposed targets have faded away and tomorrow is Friday the thirteenth.
Red Setter

{Ed002's Note - I explained all of my doubts - but it had to be removed because of the abuse.}

12 Jun 2014 18:39:42
Everybody should look up Louis Van Gaals real name you will be surprised

Is it Hertz Van Rental?

PMSL Betty

I see he's got a lady name in there. And his nickname is suspiciously like Louise. Are you suggesting our new glorious leader likes to wear a taffeta ball gown of an evening? ;)

So long as brings attacking flair football to United I don't care lol.

Aloysius Paulus Maria van Gaal.

12 Jun 2014 17:53:27
Hey ed, I know you hate talking money but was a price ever quoted for William Carvalho? I hope we pursue him, top quality player, going to be a real star.

{Ed002's Note - I am not interested in discussing money - it will do nothing but confuse you.}

Problem with quoted numbers is the same as house prices. you always start high and the purchaser starts low.somewhere in the middle is the sale price and it is just whether both teams get to that happy medium.

I was interested in an actual figure I was just wondering whether they'd actually said a number or wanted us to value him ourselves?

{Ed002's Note - Yes, a figure was provided.}

12 Jun 2014 20:38:31
From reading back through the posts, Ed002 said in March that Sporting were staying put at the release clause (45 million Euro) and there was little room for negotiation. I assume that is still the case, it really is an awful lot of money to pay for him if it is.

12 Jun 2014 17:11:57
We have a new poll up asking who you think will be the WORST team at this year's World Cup? To vote just click here.

12 Jun 2014 16:43:25
Well, that's another rumour put to bed! I must admit it's great to see Fabregas back in the Premier League, would obviously rather it wasn't with Chelsea but there you go. He will be a great signing for them.

I am pretty envious at clubs doing their business just now, but let's not be bitter, we don't even know if we were seriously interested for sure. The transfer window isn't officially open, so have patience, I'm positive we will get the players LvG really wants to build his own team.

Keep the faith!

That's another dream of mine gone too, Vidal, Carvalho and Fabregas as our midfield.

12 Jun 2014 16:21:06
So Fabregas is gone to Chelsea, they'll be a serious unit next season!

Lets hope we talk the talk in this window!

12 Jun 2014 13:29:49
Does anyone know what's happening with young angelo henriquez?
I kno he went on loan last season but don't kno how he did, and he doesn't seem to get much of a mention on hear so was wondering if anyone new what will likely be happening with him.
Came with great promise and high hopes. I wonder if the emergence of wilson means possibly his days are numbered.

12 Jun 2014 19:27:04
Don't know what the plan is for him but I did read a report towards the end of the season that said after a promising start and a few goals he tailed off dramatically. I think he may have got injured at one point and as far as I know struggled to win a place in the team later on in the season. He's still young but not sure what the best route is from here? Other poster's may have watched him play and have a more knowledgable view.

12 Jun 2014 23:28:25
Cheers

12 Jun 2014 11:49:24
United's first pre season tour game takes place in the US on the 23rd of July, world cup final is 13th of July. Does anybody know if we plan to take a full squad from the off for van Gaal to work with? or does it depend on the players elimination during the world cup? Can only see De Gea and Mata having a problem to be honest, although if neither play much part at the world cup then they may be expected to travel to the US anyway.

{Ed002's Note - Players in the later stages of the world cup will not go.}

I'm looking forward to watching Wilson destroy some defences.

I would imagine all fourteen of our players who are at the World Cup will miss that game. From there they will probably join up with the squad at different points in the pre-season, depending on their respective countries point of elimination from the tournament. I wouldn't expect to see DDG & Mata until very late on, I expect them to make at least the semi-finals.

Yeah I hope so believe, although Spain have it tough, I also hope Holland don't get past the groups so LVG can get cracking - we need a very good pre-season to right the wrongs of last year and all our business done ASAP.

I'm a little bit torn on that, The Beast. I thought that to begin with as well, but then part of me would like to see how for LvG can take this group of Holland players which isn't the greatest at the moment but has a lot of potential. However, I don't think they will get out the group anyway. Spain will win it for me with Chile second.

Exactly the same but the other way around for me. I wanted him to do well, but then thought who cares if they do well or not, we are stuck with him irrespective. So if he does well, we have less prep time for the new season.

A big plus though is if he does well, maybe more players will want to join a world cup winning boss and will forego the lack of CL football for one season (clutching a bit)! Although any player that stupid to decline Utd for one year without CL football we should tell to bugger off anyway.

12 Jun 2014 09:53:29
Been browsing all the other sites as I like to do, I'm seeing a heck of a lot of Rooney hate. Quite a bit of it is ABU BS (someone said he was 'atrocious' and shouldn't even be in the England squad), and some of it is constructive and understandable.

We are obviously the harshest critics for Rooney but the argument I keep hearing is that he hasn't scored at a World cup yet. Now I agree he needs to step up, he hasn't been at his best at tournaments but what I don't understand is why when we talk about Rooney in an England shirt we are happy to ignore all of his goals in qualifying!? Do they not count? As far as I'm concerned his 7 goals (next best in our group was 4!) are the reason we are at the bloody World Cup!

I'd love to hear some of your thoughts lads? As unbiased as possible please.

12 Jun 2014 10:55:55
His goalscoring record for England says it all really. Unfortunately he has gone into a couple of tournaments on the back of injuries and we know more than anyone he needs a run of games to be at his best.

Hodgson knows this as well and that is why he started all the warm up games. If he scores against Italy he will go on to score 3 or 4, his career goals have always come in spurts, and hopefully he will have one starting Saturday.

{Ed007's Note - There's a joke in that last sentence somewhere...

12 Jun 2014 11:31:48
Nothing like a bit of innuendo on a Thursday morning.

Rosie, it has come to an extent where some of the keyboard warriors would be confused whether to be happy or sad if Wayne Rooney scores 30 goals next season for United and leads us to PL glory. Same goes for his performance with England. It is actually sad, I read this somewhere that "Rooney hate" is an Internet Meme. I personally can't wait for him to shut these ABUs up by firing on all cylinders this world cup.

Deeps.

There are definitely people on this page and other places who actually hate Rooney. Some simply cannot forgive him for 2010 and last season. Me, I couldn't give a monkey's what Rooney is being paid. There are people who hate him and there are people who believe he is in a decline and has been since 2009. I personally think he still has a lot to offer us and I am glad he signed a new deal, but I am also not blind and can see that he isn't the player he once was and that we have seen the best of Rooney. He was an early peaker and therefore will have an early decline. He has also played a lot of football already in his career and there's only so much your body can take. So there are Rooney haters out there, there are many in fact, but there are also people who want Rooney at Manchester United, but understand we will never see the Rooney of 2009 ever again.

12 Jun 2014 12:24:02
By the end of his career he will likely be the all time top scorer of his Country and Club (The most successful club in English football history). People may not like him but there is no denying he is an excellent footballer.

I agree to an extent Syd, but not sure what it is he did last season? We can only go by what we know, and SAF said he wanted to leave at he end of the 12/13 season, Rooney said he didn't. So we are no further forward. Rooney scored what? 30+ goals in the 2011/12 season when played as a centre forward? Only to find himself playing second fiddle to RvP the following season, I'd be annoyed at that as well. He rolled the sleeves up and was a rare positive for us in the 13/14 season. He was obviously offered a new deal that reflects his worth to the team as well as the business, otherwise they wouldn't have given him it. His wages are just an easy stick to beat him with for the haters but the arguments hold no real relevance to anyone, imo. I agree we will never see the same player as he was when young and fresh and full of pace and energy. But that doesn't mean we won't see a player equally as effective but in different ways. I've seen him have great games but people come on and pick on the two bad touches he had in the game, he can't win. He is still a vital part of our team and will continue to be until he retires.

Believe, if only we could buy an 18 year old Rooney again. While we are at it a 23 year old Keane, 21 year old scholes, 23 year old Ferdinand and Vidic. 24 year old Evra. 25 year old Van Persie and a 23 year old Van Nistelrooy. 18 year old Ronaldo and of course a 21 year old Giggs :)

12 Jun 2014 14:11:29
What a team that would be!

If only Syd!

He used to be an excellent footballer, and used to have the potential to be the very best footballer. Alas he has not fulfilled what we all thought he was destined for imo.

So what if he is Englands or Utd's top scorer. He has played so many games, been given such a free role to the detriment of others that I would expect nothing else from a player that had one quality season and many so-so seasons with a few key highlights covering the general tepid performances. His goals recently have been penalties, free kicks or tap-ins against nominal opposition and normally they haven't mattered. Scoring a freekick doesn't mean you played well for 90mins, but it does ensure your name is in lights in the post match write ups, especially if you're English.

Even that tap in for England against Ecuador the other day got more headlines than anything else - he was anonymous all game but "he is getting back to form" "major confidence booster, hit that run of goals now just in time", its horrible how everything else is ignored by the press because it's seen as anti-Utd (a large percentage or viewers) or Anti-English to call out Wayne Rooney.

He is far too inconsistent and gives the ball away needlessly, more than any other top rated footballer, (top rated by a lot of people that is).

The contract for Rooney was so we could get more from a sale imo.

So what he has 39 goals for us, hardly any of them came against good teams, have you seen the teams we played against
in qualifying
i will list them for you to see how world class "our" Rooney is
1 goal against Macedonia (2003)
1 goal against Liechtenstein (2003)
1 goal against Estonia (2007)
2 goals against Kazakhstan (2008)
2 goals against Belarus (2008)
2 goals against Slovakia (2009)
1 goals against Kazakhstan (2009)
2 goals against Andorra (2009)
2 goals against Bulgaria (2011)
2 goals against San Marino (2012)
1 goals against San Marino (2012)
only 4 goals against good teams 2 against Brazil, 1 against Holland and 1 against Argentina

Ok I may not be the best mathematician, but that doesn't total 39!

more like 21.

What about the other 18 or do they not count as you don't like him!

I am flabbergasted at the criticism Rooney gets. He was our best outfield player last year. So if your saying he wasn't good enough then I have to assume you want us to sell all 25 of our squad and start from scratch.

Syd, I think the point that you made about "Rooney haters", well let's just say that The Beast has absolutely lived upto your assessment. Look at his post, its so wrong that its funny! I have never heard drivel like that in my life. Atleast the likes of Brendan, Syd, Danny have points that you can argue on, but this is from some other planet.

Deeps.

RedDevil, so you don't want Rooney to score against opppsition from the same qualifying group? May be you wanted England to qualify from the "South American" group, just so Rooney could play and score against those big teams.

Deeps.

Deeps, Rooney has been a good servant and has only annoyed me once and that was not last season, the season before. He threw his dolly out the pram because RvP was the new main man, turned up to training overweight etc etc. But that is just one season in 10/11 seasons. It was only footballing reasons that p1ssed me off with Rooney and couldn't care less about his salary. I did think he would be sold last summer, I genuinely believe that was SAF's plan. I think SAF wanted him in midfield as Scholes' long-term replacement, but when he refused he saw a chance to sell him and buy a Scholes replacement. I also think he wanted to flog Rooney before he retired. I would have only sold Rooney if we had bought Baines, Cesc & Reus first and we sold him to PSG. Like I have always said he is a top player, but I do genuinely think we have seen the best of him. He has slowed down and I do think it's the right time for him to make the midfield his own. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he was in midfield next season.

Rooney is a good player mates just not what he was but I can see him being fit and playing well next season because as we all know Van Gaal takes no prisoners

12 Jun 2014 19:39:19
I've stayed out of the Rooney debate largely because I understand and agree with points from both sides of the fence. My opinion on him is not far off what Syd described though, well explained mate. The only other issue of note for me is that he causes some headache in terms of style/formation as he is not that flexible so the team has to be built around him. No denying what he's achieved in his career though and he's still a very useful asset.

No problem Syd, I have a lot of time for people who can get into reasoned debates over Rooney. But for people who can't look past their hate for him, are even ready to see United fail if it meant they could ridicule him, these are the ones that get on my nerves. Half of them are so obsessed, they would count his miscontrols/missed passes for the entire game. I bet they let a groan out when he scores for us. Some of them even flip their beer mugs over in disgust. let's hope he shines this WC, because to be frank this is his last shot at a major international tournament.

Gav, this site has lately been missing level headed reasoned debaters like you. You should have never quit posting :).

Deeps.

Pink - you are the one that has blinkered vision. You put every one that doesn't rate Rooney into one pot and then spout your own nonsense. Trying to get those that sit on the fence or ebb and flow to think you are reasoned yet you throw out abuse saying I am on another planet. I just say what many people are starting to come around to, and maybe it is extreme to some, but we all need to forget the name and look at the performances.

At the end of the day I support Rooney in a Utd shirt, I just don't think he is all that and I definitely believe his presence in the team has major side effects, many of which led to our poor displays last season.

People say he was our best player, but everything is built around him and he was vying for a new contract. Where was he when it mattered, what did he do in any important game last season?

He plays well occasionally, but it is a team game and he effects the team for the worse when he plays most of the time.

Work ethic is all he has now to separate him from most players and he only has that when he gives the ball away which becomes more frequent by the game.

Level headed is all about perspective. I'm sure we would agree on a lot of things Utd related, but because you are still living in the pre 2010 Rooney era you are behind the times I'm afraid.

I hope to eat humble pie, but I am not wrong.

"So what if he is Englands or Utd's top scorer. He has played so many games, been given such a free role to the detriment of others that I would expect nothing else from a player that had one quality season and many so-so seasons with a few key highlights covering the general tepid performances"

I am sorry, but you spout this nonsense and expect this to be treated as a "reasoned argument", you are asking for too much son. As far as the "sitting on the fence" lot is concerned, well I have had debate/discussions/arguments with them long before you signed up on here. So thanks, but no thanks. I am sorry but it's not worth getting into an argument with you, it's a waste of my time. I will not reply to whatever it is that you post. That settles it!

Deeps.

P.S - Sorry if the "from another planet" comment offended you

12 Jun 2014 08:59:05
Obviously the transfer window isn't open yet, but does anyone think we're struggling to get the players? other teams seem to be announcing signings and "pre-agreements" already.

12 Jun 2014 00:39:10
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