Manchester United Banter Archive November 12 2012

12 Nov 2012 22:41:00
REDCORE - post from earlier, thought I'd start again ignoring contentious Rooney debate ;)

You say we should play 442, that we need a proper left winger (Rodriguez or Isco) and that we need a stronger midfield pairing.... But then say you miss Kagawa?

Where are you thinking of playing him?

I presume as a second striker?

I think we would be better with a different formation to get the best out of Kags... He needs movement ahead of him, better with at least 2 of RVP, Rooney, Hernandez ahead of him.

You could have slotted him in left wing... But obviously Rodriguez or Isco would need to play.

DodgyBanter

I like the Chelsea system 4231 but it is like 3 number 10's... We could have Kagawa.Rooney.Rodriguez behind RVP.

12 Nov 2012 22:23:11
I know I am probably a bit blinkered as I am a Rooney lover but I really think that people underestimate his importance to our team.
People saying he isn't world class cos he's not as skilful as messi or ronaldo, not as prolific as rvp but tell me this.
Can you name me one player in the world who would probably be in the top 5 whilst playing at left wing, lone striker, second striker, attacking midfielder, could probably play defensive midfield, can play left back and I also hear he's a decent keeper
And more importantly is willing to play in any of those positions for the sake of trying to accommodate other players and never moans about it.

Until rvp came he was in danger of becoming our gerrard, ie the only world class player in the team and the only player that was single handedly expected to carry the team.

Karllap

Agreed. U only had to see transformation when he came on in 2nd half v spurs. Should have win that match comfortably. Rooney is world class.
NoMidfield

12 Nov 2012 21:15:32
If ever you want to explain Irony to anyone just show them this: So kip ur childish talks to ur self.

Stanod...................I AM KLOOT {Ed004's Note - Was thinking exactly this when I posted it}

Ha ha good one !

Devil Dust.

12 Nov 2012 20:30:08
Watching under 21's one question, how is bebe a professional footballer? He is terrible!

Caolán.

He's not a professional footballer. He's a clown

Red Snapper

Still better than Downing. Expect Liverpool to make a bid in the next couple of years.

Mick

12 Nov 2012 18:47:12
Zaha anyone?

Mothra

I think he is going to be a decent player but Angelo Henriquez looks better imo

12 Nov 2012 18:16:07
I'm sure I saw Valencia's left foot touch the ball on Saturday. Can anyone confirm this?

Andrew B

Yes 1 pass. Thats 1 more touch than last season!

Caolán.

Actually 2 more, he attempted to cut in and shoot against braga if i recall correctly. Safe to say it was the worst strike of the game.

Mick

12 Nov 2012 17:46:34
Getting a big annoyed at the folk on here criticising Rooney. If you watch Wayne & say he isn't a good footballer you should give up cause you're clueless! He's world class, plain and simple. Yes, his game has maybe changed and he won't score as many goals, but that's a GOOD thing, as too often in the past we have been over reliant on him in that regard. Wayne Rooney will go on to break Sir Bobby's goalscoring record and will go down in history as one of Manchester United's greatest ever players. No doubt about it.

SC93

Excellent argument SC93, you really built up a bullet proof case there. Perhaps you should read what people are saying before ranting about something that not a single person has said here.

Nobody has said Rooney isn't a good footballer, not once. What people have done is question whether he should be an automatic first choice.

You say Rooney is world class. In what position is he world class? He was a top class striker a few years ago but he clearly doesn't like playing up front. Do you think he's world class in the number 10 role ala Cantona, Zidane, Rivaldo? Is his passing, first touch, control, vision world class? What exactly does Rooney do better than everyone else?

You see I think Rooney is a top class player. He is good at a lot of things, but the only thing he really excells at is scoring goals. That's the problem, at his best Rooney is a strong, direct striker. He's excellent at bullying defenders, getting on the end of a cross and finding the back of the net. But Rooney doesn't want to play up front, he wants to play in the space between the opposition's midfield and defense. However, he isn't world class in this role. His touch, passing, pace and vision are not good enough here.

Danny Pughnited

Rooney has a great touch very sat and has good vision!

Caolán.

I honestly love him and he has been the player to drag us through game after game on occasions.... But I think it is about time to sell him this coming summer as we can not run the risk of his contract running down and I honestly believe whatever funds we will have add the sale of some deadwood, Nani and Rooney would mean a top class left winger like Rodriguez, a central midfielder or two I would like Lars bender and Wanyama and then a striker maybe Lewandowski then we should try for Papodopulous and Baines.

Danny Pughnited.... I agree with you on the point of what position is he as I do not think he is a great out and out striker he gets frustrated when he doesnt touch the ball etc and then in the number 10 role I think Kagawa is better as he is far superior with the touch and creativity side of things I just think if he is sold we could be better with the money available spent on Rodriguez, Lewandowski and Lars Bender.

12 Nov 2012 19:13:23
get real danny pughutd, you havn't got a clue, rooney is an all round world class footballer, the lad will and can play anywhere on a football pitch, even in the nets, just ask his team mates, he gives everything for the cause for club and country, he has controlled our midfield when put there by the boss and will continue to do so aswell as score important and sometimes brilliant goals for us, so put your dummy back in and get behind him like the rest of us die hard fans, come on wazza stick it to the canaries at the weekend.

SC93 The same point I make every time. Next time he plays count how many times he looses possession and then watch Xavi or Iniesta and watch how many times they do. World Class? Only in the opinion of an English media looking for a hero. Has he ever been a star in any of the competitions or dominated a big game for United? We saw his best years from 19 to 21 It never got any better. To mention him in the same breath as Charlton is laughable. Imagine Bobby playing on these pitches without butchers trying to hack him down and balls that are so light and move in the air so much. Brilliant with both feet and could just ghost past a player. World cup winner European cup winner European player of the year. I AM KLOOT

12 Nov 2012 20:34:48
KLOOT, u r always sentimental in ur comment. Xavi, iniesta wont play as strikers and wont guarantee u 20 goals a season. Rooney is a fantastic all round footballer. His work rate is second to none. I am also sure xavi and iniesta doesnt make a 100% pass accuracy in a match. So kip ur childish talks to ur self.

Stanod

If we had a stronger midfield rooney wouldn't be playing there its a bit harsh to judge him against xavi
Jred

Danny

I think his passing and vision are wordclass. First touch not world class but certainly not bad.

KLOOT

The same point again, answer this. How many goals have Xavi and Iniesta scored?

Deeps...

I am amused by the work rate argument what does that mean. We are talking about what is he world class at? a midfielder, striker, no 10. I say there are footballers better in all those positions today.

Did you ever think the reason he actually stood out last couple of years is that the rest of the team midfield/strikers were so average and long due for an overhaul.

same argument applies to Suarez who looks like world class in the liverpool team is it Suarez or is the rest of the team that is rubbish.

Shahram

So Deeps, you believe that Rooney's passing and vision are at the same level of the likes of Xavi, Inestia, Pirlo, Silva, Scholes in his prime, Zidane, Cantona? When someone talks about world class creative players this is the level we're talking about. There is a huge difference between a striker having a decent range of passing and the level of skill a world class player has. Rooney isn't even the best passer in the team, let alone anywhere near the best passers in the game today.

I'm not sure what games people who think Rooney is some form of creative tour de force are watching because they aren't the ones I'm seeing. I can remember when Cantona used to play in the number 10 role and he set the pitch alight week after week, the same way Zidane did, or Rivaldo at his best. These were players that scared the s**t out of defenders because they could turn the game with a moment of genius. They created space, could split defences with a pass, and funnelled everything through them. Rooney for all his industry and effort isn't, and never will be this type of player.

Danny Pughnited

The only player who comes close to scholes passing range is Rooney.

Ste-Utd

12 Nov 2012 14:18:37
Been very impressed with Rafa this season. He is clearly maturing and developing into one of the best right-backs in the Premier League. It won't be long before he's up there with the best in the world. I remember the first time I saw him play, against Juventus in a pre-season friendly at OT, and he was immense. I said to my Dad he would be the best right back in the world. Now, for a while it looked like my analysis would be way off, as he was very rash and inconsistent. But now that he seems to be gradually ironing out the mistakes, and putting in consistently brilliant performances, I may not be far away after all. He's grasping when to go forward and when to sit back, while his hunger and desire, as well as his bravery, have always been there.

Hopefully he keeps it up and he goes on to become a United legend. The sky's the limit for him.

SC93

12 Nov 2012 13:44:44
After doing a lot of thinking I came up with something for everyone to have a little think about. A lot of you are on here saying Rooney isn't the same player and he can be replaced without too much difficulty. Rooneys' game has suffered from Sir Alex's reluctance to strengthen the midfield. I can say that Rooney has played in every position in front of the back four this season and out of the 6 positions only 2 are his "preferred" positions. You don't know what job he is being asked to do he is a forward being forced to play midfield because ours is so weak. He isn't being allowed to play with freedom because our midfield is so soft he constantly has to track back or defend. He is in a way being used as an attacking O'shea although a much better player. Judge him playing his preferred position it's not his fault we didn't strengthen the middle. He links well with all of the forward players and can cross a ball better than our wingers which is a shame. I personally say sort the midfield and give the front players freedom to express themselves then judge him right now it's not fair to judge anyone or want them sold... Except for Nani his time is up. The whole team is suffering because of the midfield the defense is exposed which in turn exposes De Gea so really fix the biggest problem.

Someone was on here saying support the team no matter how we play I do support them but winning when playing bad does not help our cause. It gives Fergie more reason to stick to ideas that don't work now. We either need a hammering or the light bulb has to come on. We are in a great position in 2 competitions if we strengthen the areas that need strengthening we would be a force. I am a United supporter but I don't wish us to continue this trend of scraping wins and looking fragile when we should be destroying teams with the forward line we have.

Darren-Bermuda

I pretty much agree with everything you say Darren-Bermuda. Some good points!

Simmo

DB

I think that is a valid point, which quite frankly a lot of people just don't see. There are lots of players who are not setting the world alight playing in their respective positions. Yet Rooney selflessly does the "Donkey's work" and his performances are compared with the best in that position. You can't score 184 goals if you are sh!t. You can't provide almost an assist a game(this season), if you are bad. All this concidering, he is mostly being played out of position. I guess this topic can go and on. But each one to its own view.

Deeps...

He is and always shall be over rated!

12 Nov 2012 12:54:41
Look at Suarez's face when he turns around to see noone celebrated with him!

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2883/1352655651923.gif

A.R

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Fresh!

I noticed that! In the background you could see the liverpool team running back to start the game and none of them are even looking at Suarez.

Andrew B

Just posted your link on the Liverpool banter site. Cue scousers.......

Andrew B

12 Nov 2012 07:38:47
Quite a few media outlets are reporting Marko Marin may be on his way out of Chelsea, no doubt due to game time etc. I wouldn't mind a sneaky bid at all to be honest, he's got bags of creativity. Not too sure about his pace though?

Andy! {Ed002's Note - Marin has been injured and only back in training for 10 days.}

No thank you. Used to be a considered a potentially big talent in the making in Germany but he never lived up to the hype, hence why Chelsea got him for £7m. More of a hopeful punt than anything else.

rpc

12 Nov 2012 02:47:03
I know KLOOT goes on and on about Rooney but he has a point. Rooney has lost his pace and the ability to burst past players that he once had. His first touch is just too inconsistent. He gives away unnecessary fouls. He is not good enough to play in midfield, and hasn't got the pace to play upfront or on the wing.Yes he does a lot of tireless work, but we expect more at Manchester United, especially when you get paid that much. I wouldn't mind selling him this summer and getting a good price and replacing him with Muniain.

4-4-2 should still be our formation in the premier league. The problem is that we simply don't have a midfield combination to play that. It requires two box to box CM, which brings lots of movement and energy and pace in the midfield. Its painful to watch as teams run through our midfield and the defense is woefully exposed. Carrick/Scholes should only play in a 3 man midfield. A Vidal/Wanyama is needed badly.

A lot of people are having a go at Valencia, and yes he should cross it first time a bit more. But he had at times upto 3 players marking him. The opposition could afford to do that since our central midfield provide no movement or threat. We simply don't shift the ball quick enough and not once did we manage to get Valencia one on one with their full back, which was frankly shameful for a Manchester United side which prides itself on a rich history of wing play.

We need a left sided midfielder badly. Its as if teams know we pose no threat from that side and simply concentrate on the right side of our attack. Rodriguez is the obvious choice, expensive, but quality doesn't come cheap. Isco could be an interesting option too.

Enough of the bad onto positives. Rafael is improving every game and is becoming top class. Sir Alex's "maturity" comment really motivated him i think. A consistent run has helped no doubt.

Hernandez's movement is probably the best in the world right now. He is lethal. While the opposition is concentrated on RVP they cannot get tight on Hernandez and crowd him out, and he is really benefiting from it.

But the most impressive of all were De Gea's commanding of the penalty box in the last 10 or so minutes. How many of you had your hearts in your mouth when they were whipping those crosses in? He punched every one of them away with a determination. A lot of his criticism is down to the media constantly pointing out mistakes and commentrators blaming him for non existent mistakes.

REDFAITH

P.S. I miss Kagawa.

It's a big summer for Rooney and Rooney fans as he will only have two years left on his contract from June and the club will not risk it being run down any further like last time. I think there is a great chance he will leave next summer as I feel the manager sees him as a midfielder and he may well want to keep playing as a striker. There is no doubt him and Nani would fetch £60m+ so it would give us plenty of funds to raid Dortmund for a couple players. I would love to see a partnership of Lewandowski and RvP with Kagawa in the hole. I think it may well be time to cash in on Rooney and if PSG or someone offer £50m+ for him I see the club accepting it in an heartbeat.

Sydney!

Syd

What is the guarantee that the "Dortmund raid" would be the answer to everything? Do you really think players like Rooney can be replaced.

For the purpose of stats, United have won everygame he has started ever since he came back from injury. Almost won the Spuds game, when he came on second half. He has 8 assists and 3 goals from 12 games after coming back. I guess i will never be able to understand the Anti Rooney tirade that goes on. I genuinely think we will slump ala Liverpool if he is sold. 3 or 4 games without him, we looked absolutely inispid. no desire no effort. Even with RVP being there that is. Admitted he had an average game against Villa, but who except Messi turns in Match winning performances week in week out. Not even Ronny IMO.

He is the heartbeat of the team, drives us on. We would look average without him. All these positive Chica comments that just surfaced, all credit to him, but i think he is an impact sub. His role outside the penalty box is not major and hence is better as a sub and not a starter.

Again these are my opinions but others may know better. It would be a huge loss if he is sold.

Deeps...

Deeps who said it is an Anti Rooney thing. I think you overestimate him.

Its the england disease, where everyone thinks that without him they can't win bt in all honesty they perform pretty much the same with or without him. Beat lesser teams and come undone by better teams.

There are a lot of quality players out there if the club had 50 t0 55 million to spend and will actually improve us.

No one doubts that we are a better team with him than without him but take Ozil and Vidal instead of Rooney and I believe we are a better team.

Shahram

Deeps, I am not Anti-Rooney in any way, shape or form. I rate Rooney highly, but I do think we have already seen the best of him. I also think you are vastly overrating him as a player. United would be fine without Rooney as long as we bought a player of equal quality or strengthened all other areas of the team.

Whatever anyone feels about Rooney the fact remains this summer will decide his fate one way or another, that is a fact.

Sydney!

Shahram

I am not Brit. Honestly i dont care how England perform, neither do i have any comments on Rooney being England's messiah. I will only speak based on what he has done for our club. Am sorry mate, but i think you really underestimate him. Clubs will always have an option to sell their best players and cash in. (E.g - Arsenal). Same logic, we sell RVP our best player to RM or Barca for 60 million and re invest.

My point is why can't we bring in Vidal/Ozil and then have Rooney and RVP. Wont that make it one helluva team? All your posts, you are pretty intent on selling him. Even you can't deny the fact that, last 2 seasons without Wayne, we would not even have made the CL. You don't sell a quality player to get another one, especially with some traits that Rooney has which are irreplacable. Anyways thats my opinion and i guess you have a different one. We will see how we go along if and when Rooney aint around.

Deeps...

P.S- Comparing Rooney's impact on England to Rooney's impact on United is frankly funny.

Deeps
I'm with you on this we are a better team with rooney in it .
Why would anyone want to sell one of our top players.
I would love vidal/ozil but I would love it more if we bought them to play in a team along side rooney.
People seem to think its easy to replace a player "we should just buy such and such" it not as easy as that we are still trying ti replace ronnie kean scholes giggs.
As a club we make enough money that we don't need to cash in on our top players
Jred

Deeps why is Rooney so special? We've seen much better, "more important" players walk through the exit door at OT and we've always moved forward. I find it ironic that you think we will go Liverpool's way if we sell him when, if anything, we risk going Liverpool's way if we don't with Rooney playing every game regardless of form, the team becoming reliant on play going through him aswell as the players ego growing immeasurably. Sound like a certain S.Gerrrard? I'm not saying we would be better off without him but Rooney shouldn't be allowed to drift well into his 30's whilst being first choice at the club.

TK-Red

I am in no way anti rooney. BUT i am merely stating the obvious. He has lost his blistering pace and ability to burst past players that made him special. Yes his drive and energy is key to our game. But he is by no means someone who cannot be replaced. If we get 40-50mil for rooney, and all of it is reinvested in finding a replacement/s we will be a just as good or better team with younger players. Don't Goetze, Muniain run their socks off for their teams? Aren't they the heartbeat of their teams?

I am not saying we SHOULD sell him. But i won't be disappointed if we did and brought in a good replacement.

Wouldn't the team be great with Muniain and Rodriguez bought with a DM? I certainly think it would be. I have my doubts about Lewandowski though.

REDFAITH

Deebs

I would rather keep him and get the likes of Ozil and Vidal but as you know we will never have those sort of funds to buy bunch of top quality players and seems like we can afford one per year.

I am not intend on selling him but for 55 million it is a no brainer. You keep talking about where would we be without him the last couple of seasons and I say we would have gone out and bought top players.



Shahram

Rooney sees himself playing in the role occupied by the likes of Cantona, Zidane and Rivaldo. This type of player is given freedom in the understanding that they will be the creative hub of the team. It requires technique, skill and above all imagination. Rooney doesn't have this. He's a tough physical grafter with a good eye for goal. His passing game is decent but he doesn't have what the above players have. He would have been far better aspiring to the level of Shearer, and we saw his best a few years ago as the lone striker. But because of being hyped up since a teen the lad thinks he must be more than a striker. Rooney is a top class player but he isn't and will never be a Cantona style number 10. The problem is that he is so resistant to staying up front that we can buy (and in Kagawa we may already have) younger, better players for the number 10 role.

Danny Pughnited

Redfaith
If rooney has lost the pace that made him special why would anyone spend 50 mill on him
Jred

TK mate..

Yes we have moved forward with other "important" players, but the times were different then. We did not have the Chelseas and the Citys of the world pricing every good player out of our hands. What makes you think that the Rooney funds wont go wasted(Ronaldo?).. Why do you think if we buy a class holding midfielder like Vidal, Rooney cant play up top with RVP? No one has answered one question, why did we struggle when he was not around? Can't we continue getting the better players with him being there, or is it imperative that we sell our better players to buy? I would agree with you when he gets into the team merely due to reputation, hands on heart, is he not contributing massively? He has 4 years to get to 30 and i think we may still see the best of him. And the liverpool analogy, honestly TK, where would we have finished the last couple of seasons if he wasnt there?

Syd

I am not biggin him up just because i am a die hard fan. The stats back me, and i dont think we need to sell our best player to buy, simple. I know you are not Anti Rooney, but why do you think that he will be sold? Anyways thats your opinion, just like i think Cleverly isent the messiah but deserves his chances.

Jred
I completely agree, its not FM, you just cant sell then buy and the player is replaced.

Deeps...

I think the main draw for most of the Rooney followers is he is the best English player and all have him as the heartbeat of Utd. If we are truely moving to fast paced one touch football then we could easily replce rooney with another younger player more suited to this play and make some money.

The fact he is English and should be in hie prime is a big draw to keep him at the biggest English team but for whatever reason he seems as though he could be past that already and the old SAF would have no problem geting shot in the summer with his contract ending in view.

I think it will be very interesting how it plays out this Summer.

Jono

Shahram

How is it a no brainer mate? Please help me understand this. For a player you say isent good at either being the playmaker or the striker, why would a "BIG" club pay 50 million plus. Are they really gullible? You keep saying his play baffles you, dosent have a good first touch, gives the ball away cheaply and no pace to play as a striker. Why would a PSG/Madrid come running for him with a 50 million bid. I think you are contradicting yourself. You rele thought we would have bought good players if he wasnt around? LOl, The Ronny money went like floo powder mate.

Deeps...

There is no denying that Rooney has been important in recent seasons but Giggs and Scholes have been important in the past too, it doesn't mean we should be starting them every week. The trick is to let players go when they have given all they can to a club and whilst Rooney is ok as things stand, in 2 years we should be looking to replace him as he doesn't have the technical ability to change his game and change position. Rooney is 27 and at his footballing "peak age" and I have seen nothing to say he will go on to become a better player than he is now. As for question of "where would we be?" let me answer that with another question. Is sentimentality and appreciation of past contributions enough to keep a player on when he is past his best? I point you to Ryan Giggs. As great a player as Gerrard has been for Liverpool, I know plenty of fans who think that he should've been replaced 3-4 years ago. Since then he has been a shadow of his former self and has had too much influence over the team. I wouldn't like to see that happen to us.

TK-Red

The fact is we wouldn't get any where near £50 million for Rooney.Barca & Real not interested PSG also not interested not sure about the bitters so unless he wants to go to Russia than im afraid he stays.I personally think he will be finished at 31-32 he hasnt the body to carry on like Giggs or Scholes
Blackpool Red

Tk
In 2 years time we can't sell him cos his out of contract.
His only 27 should we of sold scholes, giggs etc at 27.
Should we sell all of our players once they get to that age.
If rooney is happy to sign a new contract in the summer would you really sell him
Jred

That's exactly my point jred. Rooney's contract is up in 2 years. So we can either hand him another fat contract to keep him at the club until, say, 32 at which point he could be well past his best or we can sell him and improve other areas of the team. The fact that he is 27 has nothing to do with it so your point about Giggs and Scholes is irrelevant. When saying he is 27 I am also saying that his body certainly isn't going to get any fitter and he will have to rely on his technical abilities. That is a worry for me as he is nowhere near as good technically as some of the worlds best. Giggs and Scholes were kept on beyond 27 because they were both technically very good and were able to change their game; something I don't think Rooney is good enough to do. At 19 Wayne Rooney had the world at his feet and was one of the most effective players in the world IMO but the last few years have shown little improvement in him as a player. I fear he is as good as he is ever going to be, and he is no Messi, so if we could get £50million for him and the money was guaranteed to be combined with other sales etc and invested in other players (Hummels, Vidal and Rodriguez to name a few) then yes I would sell him in the summer. As much as I have defended Rooney in the past and rate him as a player I think we have to look at the bigger picture and what is best Manchester United in the long run.

TK-Red

....and there's nothing to say that we can't hand him another contract anyway and keep him for 2 more years but then in 2 years time we should be looking to bring in younger, more suitable players.

TK-Red

Tk
But we could spend 50 mill and keep rooney.
I think its to early to sell him his only 27 I would give him an other contract and asses the situation in a couple of year
Jred

Jred isn't that exactly what I have been saying? IMO in a year or 2 there will be much better options out there for Rooney's position and we cannot allow him to do a Scholes and Giggs and keep talented younger players out of the team just because of his name, reputation and wages.

TK-Red

Tk
I think a lot of people are talking about selling him this summer
Jred

Deebs

if someone is stupid enough to offer 50 to 55 million it is an absolute no brainer. We sold Ronaldo at his peak for 60 million so how do you argue Rooney is worth keeping if that kind of offer comes in which is player clearly in decline.

The whole discussion is about if you had a choice of taking 55 million for rooney to invest in new players or keep rooney.

Shahram

It depends on circumstance jred. If we were able to bring in Hummels, Baines, Vidal and Rodriguez without having to sell Rooney then brilliant but in truth that is unrealistic so if we were to get an offer of £50million or above for Rooney then we would have to look at selling considering the improvements it would allow us to make to the rest of the team. Let me put it this way, if you had a choice between Rooney staying and us signing say Mats Hummels or Rooney leaving and we bring in all of the players above, which would you choose?

TK-Red

TK-Red

Tk
If we sell nani and have 50 mill like the last 2 year we would be fine, like I have said united make enough money not to have to sell to buy
Sharham
We sold ronnie for 80 mill and fergy says it was not enough
Jred

12 Nov 2012 00:37:55
The Baby faced assassin has won the Norwegian League twice in a row. I know Phealan has done nothing wrong, but wouldn't it be nice if Solskjaer joined us after Xmas as a no.2.

Jan 5th 2013 Solskjaer could be announced as No.2 after a well deserved break.

2013/14 season Solskjaer still No.2 with Sir Alex in charge for the last time.
Scholes & Giggs retire & joint coach the under 21's.

2014/15 Sir Alex retires, Solskjaer announced as Manager & Giggs No.2. Scholes head coach of the under 21's.

This would be the best for our club.
You may say Solskjaer lacks experience.
BUT........... what he lacks in experience he oozes in this....

He is LOVED by EVERYONE at United. Is a European goal
scoring HERO. He knows our HISTORY, our policy ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK. He knows the YOUTH SET UP. He seems to be a decent guy off the pitch and has never seemed to upset the apple cart. What I'm saying is he would hang our dirty laundry out in the public eye. Also he seems to work interviews & pre-match talks well. We all know how good he is on the bench watching the game, tactics, strategy, game play, looking for weaknesses in the opposition.

A big game Manager would just buy for the sake of it. Make his own team & destroy Fergies legacy.

If Solskjaer was no.1 in 2 seasons time the Keane twins, Moller Dealhi, Powell, Januzaj, Henriquez & Petrucci will be
the NEW GENERATION OF STARS.

Who's with me for Olè Gunnar Solskjaer?

TJ

Massive fan of Ole, really am. His time at United was excellent for him and the team and so far, in his management career, he has done exceptionally well. However I couldn't disagree with you more about Giggs and Scholes, they haven't even shown leadership on the pitch for 2/3 seasons now...it would be a huge mistake to give them a responsibility like coaching the u-21's, let alone as number 2 for the first team! Jurgen Klopp as manager and maybe Ole as number 2 for the first team would be something i'd like to see.

Andy!

12 Nov 2012 07:45:28
My only concern with Solskjaer is he is yet to have to over come adversity in his managerial career. You really find out how good a manager is when the chips are down and everything us going against you. Do you come out fighting with spirt and intelligence or do you wilt under the pressure? And the thing is you can never judge what someone will do until they have lived through such a situation. There is huge pressure managing us, and things will go against you alot of the time, until Ole has proven he can handle it when things go wrong then I don't think he is ready for such a high profile job.

Shappy

I think SAF has been planning for this to happen, Making Solskjaer the Under 21 coach? Then him moving on to another league and gaining valuable experience, now all we need is to see him become the new number 2.

-JakeW

Yeah just what we need another assistant who will be to scared to question SAF baffling team selections and out off date tactics
CardiffRED

I agree with OGS becoming number two but tbh I do not agree with him taking over just yet. I couldn't agree more with the idea of Jurgen Klopp to take Fergie's place and have OGS as number two. What they have both done with Dortmund and Molde is unbelievable, both teams field young players and play the best football in their leagues respectfully.

I know I'm probably gonna be slated for this but everyone who wants "The Special One". In my opinion, he can only operate with an open check-book and huge financial backing. Everyone will argue that he won the Champions League with Porto but are they not the biggest team in Portugal and they won it through building momentum and therefore confidence (smashing the league).

ALDUtd