Manchester United Banter Archive August 13 2011

13 Aug 2011 23:04:19
why do you guys ask if utds going to sign someone, only 1 man knows that and he aint telling anyone off this board, just wait for united to make a statement, when that hapens then you will know

13 Aug 2011 22:35:29
@ REDFAITH

After considering ow long I could make my repl I really cant be bothered. I have said before umpteen times about WS ability and how he could improve our first 11 nd even turned Syd's head to him playing in CM and so on.

The only con I see is the total outlay of money not specifically wages or sell on amounts but the package as a whole.

I agree about we need a dominator in CM more than a creative one thats why I was so keen for us to go for Vidal but also Scholes dominated teams wih his ball retention a skill WS has in abundance aswell.

I made the point earlier about if we are going with youth then we wont sign anyone but WS as there is no point buying a Gotze,Kagawa etc as with their age they wont teach our younsters anything and they are likely to hinder our youngster more than WS would.

Anyway we will have to agree to disagree and we will only be proved right or wrong if we do get him.


Jono

13 Aug 2011 16:57:36
As for the olden days being more entertaining, yes they were, but not as successful. The cavalier approach was a mistake in Europe and we lost out time and again agonizingly. We need to change with times, and with the new approach to Europe, although not as exciting, look where we have got. Semi Final, Win, Final, Quarters with a harsh exit, Final. I prefer this approach more.

REDFAITH
Redfaith, we need to change again to overcome barca. We will not do it by playing Giggs in midfield (what was SAF thinking ?) and having no cover for Fletcher (who would have made a huge difference by breaking down a lot of the Barca attacks). Pogba may be the solution, but he will probably not be fully ready for 2/3 years and we need someone now (M?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢Vila?).
Keep up the various analysis?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢ Redfaith. It makes a change from posters only saying we are buying ?¢‚ǨÀúx,y & z?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢, but not giving an opinion on who ?¢‚ǨÀúz, y & z?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢ will replace and where they will fit in.
J Bones.
P.S. Ed?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s, what?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s with anonymous posters here today giving abuse to regulars? Is there any way ye can assign some type of nickname to their IP address so we can get an idea of who says what?

13 Aug 2011 20:45:08
I've been reading this site pretty actively this summer. Now I tought to post what I was thinking about Sneijder and Nasri situation.

SAF have been keen on Sneijder (obviously) and have tried to sign him. Supposedly transfer fee and salary have been the biggest obstacles. If Sneijder have about 32 million price tag and asks about 200,000 week and those amouts are too steep why wouldn't we go for Nasri? He could be available 22 - 25 million and salary 160,000 week (what City supposedly have offered). Isn't that worth trying? Sneijder have that World Class status but couldn't Nasri help our team also? He would be cheaper (if the money is the issue in Sneijder deal).

Is Nasri worth that much when his contract is running out and is he worth that much per week? That is debatable but no one knows for sure if you don't try. I think Nasri would be good addition to our middlefield and might give us that 15+ goals per season. He would give attacking options and creativity. I really think he would be worth trying.

This speculation might be vain now that SAF has indicated no more signing will be made. I know that Cleverley looks to be very good and Podga is coming but I think Nasri would be very good signing for us.

Table

13 Aug 2011 20:05:52
Let's see what you say this time next year after we have spent another season watching our midfield being overrun by the likes of Bolton, West Brom, Wolves etc.....

Red Daz."""
dear mr redraz
which team were you supporting?
we happen to support the champions of England and the second best team in Europe. by the way the same team that walloped the team that happened to wallop sneijder led team 5-2 at their home ground.
ngiak can't wait for your answer dear mr red raz...
gan

13 Aug 2011 19:42:01
There seems to be alot of fellow fans who are gutted that it appears that we won't be seeing a "big" signing. They also seem to be rubbishing Cleverley and Pogba by doing so which i think is abit disrespectful to the young lads. Just because their young it doesn't mean that they can't improve our midfield. Alot of fans would love to see Wilshere sign but who would have wanted him at the start of last season for 30m? But last season in his first full year for arsenal he was proberly their best most consistant midfielder, and certainly against barcalona he was. So if sir alex feels these lads are ready to be given a chance then lets give them a chance. Who would like to have rossi and pique still in our squad? Both 25-30m players now who left because they weren't getting enough games, so lets not let these great talents slip though our fingers. You never know this time next year these lads may be regarded as as good or even better than sneijder. Have faith in the best manager in the world and proberly ever.
Shappy

13 Aug 2011 19:04:01
@redfaith
Ask yourself, when were we "buying top names for big cash"? Veron was a top name at the time, yes. Apart from that, who? The only players we have signed for big money are the ones who have been proven in the EPL Rooney, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Cole, Yorke, Keane to name a few big moves, but they were all EPL proven players. We have never trusted in buying players for big money from other leagues. Of those names, only Berbatov and Yorke were players who were at their peak into the 27-28 when we bought them. We never were in for the biggest names in world football, possibly in premier league football, but not in world football.

ferdinand was the biggest transfer for a defender and i think still is
veron was a major transfer
kean was a english record transfer
and dont forget shearer, we were prepaired to go 20 mill which would of been a world record at the time
you can be in the EPL and still be a big name.
my point was in the past when we have really needed a player eg ferdinand fergy has been able to go and get the player he wants even paying over the odds, 30milli was and still is a lot for a cb.
or even when fergy just thought a player would improve us eg berb 30 milli was a lot for a player we never really needed.
i might be wrong but i think our days of "buying top names for big cash " may be over and like i said in my last post this might not be a bad thing ,my only worry is when the next Rooney comes along will we be able to bet him
jred

13 Aug 2011 18:24:10
Wes Brown was arrested at Anfield today. He was caught with 100m worth of Liverpool "talent" in his pocket all afternoon. He was later released as the "talent" was judged as worthless.

No ID...mysterious

13 Aug 2011 17:00:48
I'm fairly certain the Liverpool fans will be pretty quiet this weekend now lol.

Rjmanutd

13 Aug 2011 16:14:15
what is the code for the fantasy football league

13 Aug 2011 15:36:55
Ed anyone else having trouble getting onto fantasy.premierleague site wont let me log in {Ed001's Note - their server has crashed.}

13 Aug 2011 14:36:39
I'm really positive that we won't be signing Sneijder. No denying he's a great player and personally would want him at United. The reason is we can never agree to his wage demand which is as high as United's top player, Rooney who has serve at top level for last many years. If we did, it would create psychological indifferences among our top players. I don't think he deserves it.
But having said that, i'm sure this is not the end of our transfer window. Fergie has said repeated said "no more signings" and would rely more on our teen playmakers, Cleverly, Pogba, etc. Thats a good sign for our young upcoming stars. We all agree that the present squad is good enough to win the EPL title, but deep down even Fergie knows that its just not enough at the European Level.
I wouldn't be surprise if we have the like of M'villa or Goetze before the window closes, as they are much cheaper and more logical as compared to Sneijder.

GoEzManUnited

13 Aug 2011 14:06:49
Just had a thought...

If (God forbid) Rooney had a severe injury, say a leg break or something like that, and was out for over 6months, would people be particularly happy with the strike force of Berba (if he stays) and Chicharito?

Don't get me wrong, I rate both these players very highly, but they do have tendency to go missing in games sometimes, and for this reason i think the signing of another proven premiership striker could be a good idea? I never understood why we haven't considered Darren Bent....

UNITED_LEGENDS

13 Aug 2011 12:25:27
"I think sneijdr was being bought with the intention of playing him behind rooney as a front two in europe, which i think would of been a world class front two .
i no rooney and the pea r a good front two but i think chicharito needs another year at the top level.
so if we played that in europe sneijder could then drop back in the middle in the league to give us some much needed flair, a point that has been missed by a lot of fans.
ive been going to watch united for a long time and to me there is no doubt this team is not as entertaning as teams off old , although that could just be my prefrence of stlye off play.
one last thing i posted a while ago i never thought we would get another player , i think we tried most of last summer to get "the new scholes" but theses type of players cost big money are united prepaired to spend it ,i honestly think the days of united buying top names for big cash are over (i'm not saying its a bad thing)
jred"

@jred

Ask yourself, when were we "buying top names for big cash"? Veron was a top name at the time, yes. Apart from that, who? The only players we have signed for big money are the ones who have been proven in the EPL Rooney, Ferdinand, Berbatov, Cole, Yorke, Keane to name a few big moves, but they were all EPL proven players. We have never trusted in buying players for big money from other leagues. Of those names, only Berbatov and Yorke were players who were at their peak into the 27-28 when we bought them. We never were in for the biggest names in world football, possibly in premier league football, but not in world football.

The others were all young players who were starting to come through and make a name in the english game. Haven't we continued that policy? Valencia, Smalling, Young, Jones? On the top of that De Gea and Hernnandez from foreign leagues too.

Back to Sneijder, i believe that our first choice was Modric and we would have been ready to stump up big cash for him, because he is EPL proven and closing in on his peak but he chose to remain in London. We were then exploring the possibility of Sneijder, when suddenly Nasri became available, we made a first bid, but he was swayed by the wages City offered him, we already have had a discussion on that. And then we again turned our attentions to Sneijder, but his wage demands are simply over the roof, neither does he make too much tactical sense as i mentioned, but he would be a good asset to have, but we are not DESPERATE or in serious NEED of him.

That is the reason we do not give into his demands. If he wants to come, he will lower his demands and will be here.

As for the olden days being more entertaining, yes they were, but not as successful. The cavalier approach was a mistake in Europe and we lost out time and again agonizingly. We need to change with times, and with the new approach to Europe, although not as exciting, look where we have got. Semi Final, Win, Final, Quarters with a harsh exit, Final. I prefer this approach more.

REDFAITH

13 Aug 2011 11:51:54
squad numbers reveiled. source manutd.com
(1) De Gea
(3) Evra
(4) Jones
(5) Ferdinand
(6) Evans
(7) Owen
(8) Anderson
(9) Berbatov
(10) Rooney
(11) Giggs
(12) Smalling
(13) J.S. Park
(14) Chicharito
(15) Vidic
(16) Carrick
(17) Nani
(18) Young
(19) Welbeck
(20) Fabio
(21) Rafael
(23) Cleverley
(24) Fletcher
(25) Valencia
(27) Macheda
(28) Gibson
(29) Kuszczak
(32) Diouf
(34) Lindegaard
jaybam

13 Aug 2011 10:38:35
United need, SAF thinks, rightly, that United need young, hungry and loyal players.

Players with unbelievable wage demands and are in their late 20's do not fit those criteria.

Barcelona's players are almost all Catalans. They will give everything for 'the shirt' and for their people, for reasons to do with History (Franco).

That is what SAF means, i think, when talking about working class values; rejecting embourgeoisement.

NASRI would fit the bill.

VERON did not

13 Aug 2011 09:30:00
So we have "apparently" pulled out of a "supposed" deal we were in for Sneijder (same papers reporting this who were reporting just a day ago he will sign in 48 hours No wonder SAF says "ask the papers" , "its all media speculation").

I am fed up by the suggestions that "We need Sneijder to get better than Barcelona". In what way or form is getting Sneijder going to help us get better than them? Yes, they drubbed us this season, but they also pulverized us when we had Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, and a younger Ryan Giggs. Adding another superstar in Wesley Sneijder will not solve our problems, rather, we need to possess better at every position across the pitch, every player must make himself available for a pass and make sure that a player does not get isolated for barcelona to outnumber and pickpocket us by intercepting passes made under pressure (the principle way in which they gain possession and dominate), one player would not make a difference. What we really NEED is a fit and on form Darren Fletcher to intercept their attacks and an overall better performance from the midfield with better tactical positioning. Also, imo our midfield is only inferior to Barcelona, do not go by the names, but by the performances over the last 5 years.

The second suggestion is "Sneijder is world class, that is the reason we SHOULD buy him". The question is, in what position is he world class? Oh yes, you guessed it right, the position behind the main striker. That is where he is world class (in my opinion, WAS, in his first season for Inter and in the WC, has been AVERAGE last season, but lets assume he IS world class). We already have Wayne Rooney who plays there and is much better than Sneijder in that position imo with more goals, assists and workrate. So if we are to accommodate Sneijder in the position he is most effective and world class, we will have to BENCH Chicharito, and i am absolutely not in favour of that.

The only other possible way is by playing a 4-1-2-1-2, Sneijder would combine to form a lethal striker force with Rooney and Chicharito, but would anyone actually want to leave Carrick or Anderson or even Fletcher alone in the central midfield to deal with opponents' counterattacks? I didn't think so. This approach requires two box to box midfielders, for it to work, Sneijder is not one, neither is it his favourite position nor the one in which he is "world class". This formation may be good for the Football Manager glory boys, and might even work against the lesser teams in the premiership, but the likes of Barcelona would chew us raw with this tactic and especially this formation is a disaster for Europe as many of the supporters who have watched some of our agonizing defeats in Europe under SAF may know. We have changed our approach towards Europe and have been incredibly successful in the last 5 years, and going back to the old cavalier approach would be a disaster.

Ultimately, if we sign Sneijder, his hefty transfer fee and wages will force Sir Alex to field him in essentially every meaningful contest. So, instead of incorporating the player into his desired formation, Fergie would need to develop a strategy to accommodate Sneijder's talents at the expense of other players, maybe getting the best out of Sneijder, but significantly weakening the team as a whole.

While I trust SAF , he has made similar mistakes in the past. Veron and more recently Berbatov are prominent examples. Both world class footballers with excellent skills and calibre, but were bought with the horrible assumption that they are great players and should thus be able to adapt to our style of play and play in different roles than they are used to and are world class in, which obviously did not turn out to be the case. Thus, though they have not been complete flops (Veron was good in some European games, Berba has done decently well too), we needed to change OUR style of play to accommodate them and both were annonymous in BIG games. An expensive showpiece, with does not go with any of your stuff

Imo, what we really need is a player like Javi Martinez (anybody who has watched him play against Barcelona will know how difficult they found to deal with him) or Wilshere (who was probably as good if not better than the Barcelona midfielders in their match) and another similar player is Modric. That is the type of midfielder that will complete our team and help us get closer to Barcelona without having to change our whole approach. None of the 3 are available to us for various reasons.

There is a similar player in our academy (not similar to wilshere, but to Javi Martinez) and goes by the name of Paul Pogba and surprise, surprise, SAF is promoting him this year Also Cleverley and Anderson's partnership in recent games has shown immense promise.

So after this whole long post (seriously, sorry for the length, although i know most of the Sneijder fanboys will not understand or rather refuse to understand it) what i am trying to say is that Sneijder would certainly be a good addition but in no way do we NEED him or will be able to better Barcelona with him and that we will have to change our style of play a lot to accommodate him (something i am not in favour of). And i have not even mentioned the financial side of the deal, which imo is absolutely ridiculous, but lets focus on the football.

What do the guys think?

REDFAITH

P.S. Waiting for the "we need sneijder" brigade to attack with words like "world class" and providing no proper counter arguments.

13 Aug 2011 01:12:34
in the interest of fair play, may i just say -may the best team win the title..........lfc.....ps dont be crying into your hankies too much if the mighty pool come first

13 Aug 2011 00:07:11
Nasri tempted by united's interest and pressure from close frend evra,and slows down the city talks as SAF prepares a 25million bid for him,,guys patience we still have chance of capturing nasri,as well as sneijder dnt listen to the media..,we'vent given up on both players.Arsenal has beaten us to the signing of joel campbell......dot.com

12 Aug 2011 23:49:58
SAF says he wont b adding 2 his squad. bt will give first team opportunitey 2 both pogba and cleverley,which means w.s wont b signing for us, and i cat see any1 elsee comin in. looks like we gotta get on with the job in hand with the players we have.i still believee we're strong enough to win our 20th title.