Manchester United Banter Archive December 13 2018

 

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13 Dec 2018 18:17:12
Roy Keane in the Sly Sports Studio Sunday with Carra and Souey, should be fairly explosive. I am not sure who will dig us out the most, love Keano.

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13 Dec 2018 21:03:11
Ill watch pre game half time and post game but i won't be watching that turd on display on the pitch. Can just see the headlines now. Jose kills football.

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14 Dec 2018 08:10:39
Fzz, you sound like a spoiled child which is apt considering a lot of Utd fans were spoiled through success when they were a child, myself included.

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14 Dec 2018 15:09:47
FZZ, I share your sentiments even though you may have strayed a little with your expression of them.

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14 Dec 2018 15:34:59
Nothing to do with being spoilt its about wanting to watch a good game of football win lose or draw. Want to see the team you follow put effort in. That on Wednesday was enough to turn off until it improves.

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14 Dec 2018 18:23:11
Embarrassing post FZZ, glad this poor spell the club is going threw is weeding out the plastic gloryhunters like you though. When the good times return I hope you don’t. UTFR.

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14 Dec 2018 20:31:47
FZZ,

That post comes across as nothing more than pathetic unfortunately, we aren’t very good at the moment but you don’t just not watch, get behind the lads, support your team through think and thin, if you don’t support through the bad times you don’t to deserve the good time imo.

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14 Dec 2018 20:51:29
Other stuff on which can take priority. Call it what you want, sports are there to enjoy, i'm not sucked in with all this plastic bs, everyone on here is plastic barring 1 or 2. You all be supporting man utd if they never won a thing and in league 2 give me a break.

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15 Dec 2018 21:55:35
My dad pretty much decided who I supported. Nothing to do with who was winning because we weren't. If you think supporting a team is about success and pretty football you are just a fan of football with a preference towards a team. Not a true supporter. And you know what that's fine - no issue with it but don't put your apathy on other people.

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13 Dec 2018 18:15:16
We saw last night what is really one of the biggest issues with our side presently.

We have a 89m problem in our side and it isn't an easy fix. Forget what Pogba does off the pitch it is what he does on the pitch that is the biggest problem to how we play.

On the surface it looks good, his stats read that he played more passes than anyone in our side last night (77) with a near 91% pass accuracy. He also had more touches than anyone else (93). A couple of "key passes" a few shots, 8 of his 9 attempted long passes were successful. However, that is only one side of the stats. He also only one one header, made one interception while he made no tackles, no blocks and no clearances.

So what is the story, what is happening when we combine the stats and what we see with our own eyes?

We see a player who demands the ball but does little to win it, a player who is obsessed with the "Hollywood" ball rather than the effective one. A highlight reel player. While his Hollywood long range passes look good, the time they take to get to their target gives the opposition time to get into position. Making them almost pointless.

This is the real problem, as the stats highlight what a massive drain of the ball he is to our side. This wouldn't be a problem if he was being effective with the ball, but he isn't. And I fear he won't be until he learns that the simple ball is often the best, speed of pass is more important than how it looks, and end result is more important than looking flash.

In this respect Mourinho has my sympathy, I don't think Pogba wants to hear the things that need to be said to him to improve him and allow him to achieve his full potential.

Until Pogba either learns or leaves we will struggle to get the best out of our side.

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13 Dec 2018 19:23:23
read an article in the rags were he says he is humiliated for being dropped. he admits he and others are not playing well, but his excuse for being humiliated is because of his stature in the game. i think that says it all if true.

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13 Dec 2018 20:24:49
Shappy

I agree, watching Pogba last night, he passed the ball to the nearest player and stepped back into the pocket, put an opposition player between him and the ball. Once the ball was in front of him it looked like he felt he had done his job. Laconic, lethargic on the ball. I said on live chat that in the 70’s my late brother used to point out players who hid until ten minutes from the end of each half then put some effort in so they didn’t get a rollicking at the end. Pogba seemed like that, he and others insulted the shirt last night.

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13 Dec 2018 21:18:59
It is apparent that Pogba is a luxury player not suited to being in a struggling team that needs to up its tempo and requires some genuine midfield leadership.

We can't afford a player who holds on to the ball too long, gets tackled, falls over hoping for a foul, and then rather than getting up and sprinting back, he stares at the ref in disbelief or bangs his fist on the ground. Equally as telling are the limited number of times United players in general and Pogba, in particular, actually sprint. He is altogether too languorous.

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14 Dec 2018 00:15:11
Bang on Shappy.

The best midfielders in the game dictate play and control the pace of the gane. They keep it simple, one touch, then pass and m move. Pogba takes 5+ touches before losing the ball or playing a Hollywood pass or 40 yard shot. He might grow out of these habits as central midfield is a position for a player who is more mature on and off the pitch. Unfortunately I don't think he will.

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14 Dec 2018 06:09:34
Mourinho asked for simplicity and he got it from pogba against valencia, hard to make any killer passes when no one is running in behind and everyone is standing on each others toes in midfield.

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14 Dec 2018 11:26:30
You can't post stats showing how good Pogba is then slate him. Pretty much every manager who might replace Mou will want him in the team. Speaks volumes.

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14 Dec 2018 11:37:25
DSG, the number of runs that our forwards make, particularly Rashford, is more than adequate. The problem is midfielders who can't pick a pass, and Pogba's key responsibility is to link defence and attack. You must be watching another game if you see anything but poor performance week in, week out from Pogba. He's not a kid any more, he's not potential any more, he's at an age where he should be at his peak, and if this is his peak then we will be lucky to find a buyer. He is the virus in the Club and we need shot of him ASAP.

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14 Dec 2018 17:38:04
So72, Watch the charity game in the summer, I'll spend the entire match passing back to the keeper. By the end of the match I'll make 50+ passes with 100% accuracy.

Does that mean I've had a good game?

The stats only show half the story, and out of context they mean very little.

Some of the stats out of context look good. Some look awful. However, I felt they highlighted my point that he is a vortex in our team, drawing the ball into him limiting the chances for other players while also not actually producing very much.

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13 Dec 2018 12:13:44
The game last night DID matter. It was an opportunity for fringe players to come in and stake a claim. None did. Mourinho took two young players with him and should have given them some experience. The performance was very poor - again. The team was not structured in such a way to cause any problems to the opposition. No pace, no proper wide men. No one impressed.
Depressing.

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13 Dec 2018 12:28:44
In fairness, Romero came in and showed he’s a very competent back up keeper.

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13 Dec 2018 12:34:13
Win the game and we top the group, we look pretty foolish now having basically thrown the game. When did it become acceptable for United to think anything other than winning was okay?

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13 Dec 2018 12:57:46
Did we throw the game? I thought that team was more than capable of beating Valencia but they didn't perform. Don't think we look foolish at all really, if teams didn't rest players in these games Juve wouldn't have lost either.

We have our biggest away game of the season on Sunday, I am glad we rested players for that. As per Shappy yesterday finishing 2nd in the group isn't the end of the world, we should get a big team in the next round and we have to beat them at some point, I am looking forward to the draw.

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13 Dec 2018 14:42:10
Does playing Rojo at lb constitute throwing the game? Or playing Jones? 🤔.

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13 Dec 2018 14:54:23
Sunday was the priority as far as I'm concerted.
Last night showed how poor a squad we have but most people realise that.

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Liverpool v Napoli - A Liverpool Perspective

13 Dec 2018 10:06:36
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13 Dec 2018 08:31:20
Jose says he learnt nothing last night, but I can tell you what I learnt, or knew and had confirmed.

Romero, good back up keeper,

Valencia, for a long time, poor going forward, now just poor full stop,

Bailly, possibly a good player but has a brain like a box of frogs,

Jones, an accident waiting to happen, and you never need to wait long,

Rojo, comitted but not good enough,

Fellaini, i think he is a useful squad player, but never as our holding midfielder,

Pereira, unfortunately not quite good enough,

Fred, not sure, i think there is a player there, but he looks lost at the momeent,

Pogba, will never have the application to go with his talent,

Mata, a player most people like, if only he wasn't so slow,

Lukaku, i believe he will score goals in any team that creates chances, but he cant't play as such an isolated striker.

Finally Jose, no doubting his qualities over the years, but if the board are split and he isn't getting full backing, maybe we need change.

And finally, if you ever need proof of how pundits treat us differently, we are forever told Rashford might need to leave to get his chance, but they tell us Phil Foden is at the best place to develop when he barely gets a kick in the 1st team.

Rant over.

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13 Dec 2018 10:55:18
All fair and a accurate imo inhope.
Jose will be gone to win trophies elsewhere in the summer if not before.
No new manager will turn this squad into league winners.
I just hope the new manager will be allowed to get rid of 8 or 9 of the current squad as some of them are simply not good enough to play for us.

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13 Dec 2018 11:23:41
Agree with every player mentioned bar Lukaku yes he probably would score more goals with better service but in my eyes he is a useless lump who couldn’t trap a bag of cement and for his size he is a pussy cat and I've seen milk turn quicker than him not good enough @ never will be.

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13 Dec 2018 12:04:26
I learned a lot from last night.

We have a lot of players who never even tried last night. The ammount of walking and half hearted sprints was criminal. This has nothing to do with Jose now. These players are picking up vast sums of money and the minimum I expect is hard work and graft. They are representing one of the worlds most prestigous clubs and they can't be arsed to try? Sorry but last night told me a lot about our squad.

Like Ken said, a fair few players need to leave and come in. Unfortunately, with the ammount required it will probably take another 3 windows.

I have been angry against Jose. Said I thought his time was up. Last night I looked at the players and felt sorry for Jose. No doubt he picked the team with Liverpool in mind and we pretty much agree it was the right team. He never drastically altered the system. It was down to them as players.

Jones, Valencia, Rojo, Perrira, Pogba and Sanchez can leave in January and I wouldn't care anymore.

Bailey, Fred, Mata, Fellani are players that I would keep in the squad. All have their uses and I beleive they do try every game.

Lukaku. His touch is awful. The size of the guy and he can't hold a ball up? I know people say play to his strengths but if a 6ft plus hulk of a man can't protect a ball for 5 seconds then i'm at loss what his stregths are. He scores goals but misses a lot too. Many big chances missed last season and this. His confidence is on the floor at the minute but unless he can do the basics right, control, protect, pass and move into space, he has nothing to build on. If we played in a team that delivered balls in the box, he would score more. We dont. So he offers nothing. So do we build a team around him? Is he good enough to warrant that?

I fear the gap is increasing between us and the Citys and Liverpools. A major overhaul is needed throughout the club. For now, Jose is the only man for the job as their is no-one out there either available or with a cv showing they have the right tools to take on this massive job.

Glad to get that off my chest.

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13 Dec 2018 13:28:15
ken the fear is a new manager will come in and want to asses the squad and we will be stuck with them for another season then the new manager gets sacked because we are out of the top four.

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13 Dec 2018 14:23:03
Daz any manager that comes in that needs to Assess valencia rojo jones smalling fellaini Darmian periera shouldn't have got the job.

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13 Dec 2018 14:56:48
Phil Foden is surrounded by quality players, coaches and a world-class manager. Rashford isn't.

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13 Dec 2018 17:03:22
nah for me this is poor management from Mourinho. poor tactics and with no identity to our play what do you expect from fringe players who lack match fitness and/ or little or no integration to the first team? is this Mourinho's lack of experience without Rui Faria? or are we exposing Carrick and McKenna's lack of experience? there is no consistency or balance to the team. Players need to know their roles and need sharpness and i think the squad players lack this.

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13 Dec 2018 17:18:15
You make 5 or 6 changes in one go, you don't do well. And that was even the case under Fergie.

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13 Dec 2018 18:59:46
ken we still have some after three managers but i agree with what you say.

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Review Of The Day 13th December 2018

13 Dec 2018 07:29:01
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13 Dec 2018 16:42:08
As a proud Warrington supporter the Adams decision is both bizarre and ridiculous. He's also a Londoner and RL is very much a Northern game. No idea how he got involved.

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12 Dec 2018 23:39:16
You can't accuse Utd of not being and end to end team. They get into the get into all the way to one end and pass it all the way back.

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