Manchester United Banter Archive June 13 2012

 

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13 Jun 2012 23:49:30
if snijder played for us like he has for the netherlands in the past 2 games i would pick him over modric anyday hes been the stand out player for holland always getting into space creating chances from great passes and never gave up trying especially in the germany game gotta give some credit to him maybe we should of signed him in january granted he might of had a high wage demand but im sure united could of sorted something out JTRED

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13 Jun 2012 23:39:11
modric was asked by bilde today if he was moving to united he replied "Well, there are all sorts of rumours circulating about me. I'm not saying that the clubs are not interested, but I'm still under contract with Tottenham."
jred

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13 Jun 2012 23:30:57
So Harry is going...wonder how long till Modric follows ; )

May main point though, has anyone seen the new Sky deal for the PL? It starts after next season and has almost doubled in value to over £3bn. Does this mean the clubs will receive that much more from the deal? If so, could this see PL clubs dominating Europe again and finding it easier to attract the biggest names? Coupled with the financial crisis in Spain it could help tip the balance back towards us a bit...

If FFP does come in EVER it will be a healthy boost to the turnover's of PL clubs I would have thought

Gav

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They will get more money from the TV appearances but nowhere near that amount of money...

fearny

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13 Jun 2012 22:23:39
People keep naming players and how they could replace scholes. You're forgetting something, Nobody can replace scholes.
NWDA

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Did you not post this earlier and people replied to it?

We are not trying to replace scholes we are trying to replace the position scholes plays so that when he goes we are not stuffed like we were this season. Somebody who keeps possession and starts off attacks and controls the speed of the game depending on what score it is or what you need.

This is why modric would be so good, scholes hardly got any goals or assists (less than modric I believe) since he came back, but everybody thinks he was one of our best players. Modric would be a great replacement, nobody is saying he will be the same or as good or have as good a career.

GDS

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Does that mean we have to play with 10 players
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13 Jun 2012 22:23:11
Not United related but I think it will have an effect on transfer market. Harry has quit Tot, I think they will have a tough time keeping players. Chelsea winning really crippled that team.

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I think the England job was what crippled spurs last season they fell apart when everyone thought Harry was going to be england manager

Pardoe

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13 Jun 2012 22:07:26
Well, Willems performance tonight has reinforced an opinion I've had for a while. Not because he's not good enough, I can honestly say this is the first time I've seen him play, but because we have Fabio and Blackett coming through. Blackett should become one of the best.

Percy

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13 Jun 2012 21:55:27
was told earlier tonight Harry Redknapp would leave/sacked spurs, was told its to do with player sales.
jenny

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At training tonight, rumours rife that moyes is to leave, everything all fitting into place now.
Expect swift response to Spuds job, but modric is still to leave and is expected to join united
jenny {Ed007's Note - Don't rule out AVB.}

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Also i personally expect that if moyes does go, i will guarantee baines will be available, everton need the money.
others will also go, fellini being the obvious, chelsea interested but again my personal feeling is he will end up in spain
jenny

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Not heard about avb ed, was told earlier that compensation may have been agreed with everton today.
Jenny

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13 Jun 2012 21:53:37
baines will be a good signing for left back position.He will provide competition for evra but also gives us two important skiils that we missed so badly last season. This is:

1) quality crosses into the box. Evra has never provided decent crosses into the box.

2) free kick specialist.

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13 Jun 2012 21:50:06
i think man utd will make 3 more signing they would be modric/sjnieder, a left back, perhaps bains looks like the one and a replacement for berbatov maybe the polish striker but i have a feeling that we will swoop berbatov in the deal

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Oh how I have missed the horrific spellings of sneijder, I think that may be one of the best. Why modric or sneijder, they are totally different players!?

GDS

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Lool i was typing on my phone so i didnt know his spelling i just made up what was right.
anyways because i thing both of them suites man utd and they both have great awareness, great passing, decent shot and great pace.
i would prefer sneijder over modric if he play for man utd like he played for holland in the last two games. he was great, he showed us that he is a full midfielder.

the squad i would like to see for next year is..
da gea
rafeal jones vidic bains
carric
sneijder kagawa
velancia nani
rooney

subs
powell
smalling
evra
welbek
hernandez
young

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13 Jun 2012 21:43:53
I really think that Sneijder would be able to conform to a deep lying playmaker. The last two games he has been one of the only Dutch players to impress. His passing, both short and long, has been sublime. At 28, that's a 5 or 6 year deal imo. This is also coming from someone who has always worn some Wes tinted glasses.

Sparty On

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I believe he, Mods and hopefully Cabaye should be our top targets and for a CM position that moves from front to back creating and spraying passes whilst helping out defensively and making a solid 2 in front of the defense when needed.

For those reasons I prefer Cabaye first Sneijder second and Mods third.

Cabaye has all round package and is Prem proven. WS has done and won it all and imo has the best passing (just) of the three although his defensive side would need drilling into him. Mods good all round package again but not as much of a worker imo as Cabaye and would command higher price and wage.

All 3 would fit us perfectly I think.

Jono

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If only he wasn't injury prone, seen him putting a support in his thigh towards the end which probably mean ANOTHER injury for the lad

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD

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13 Jun 2012 21:38:51
Funny how you all say don't judge a player on one game, yet when Willems has one bad game, he's useless.

G.A.G.U.S

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I still think he's a better signing then Baines, Evra has a few years left in him, so give Willems a year or two and he'll show he's still a good prospect. Not saying he wasn't poor today but he is only 18.

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13 Jun 2012 21:25:59
Try a cheeky swap deal with madrid. Nani for Ozil

fearny

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We haven't even got Kagawa in a United shirt yet and you're already hoping for a replacement?

M.D.

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13 Jun 2012 21:11:23
What a poor first half for Willems against Germany. Any suggestion that he should replace Evra is foolhardy. Ozil, however, is playing Sneijder off the park, what a replacement for Scholes he'd make.

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That poor lad is just 18, give him time
DJ

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Chucking Willems in at LB for next season wouldn't improve our defence, it wouldn't make it weaker either ;)

Sydney!

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Ozil is one of my favourite players. But we've got Kagawa in that position now so I'm just looking forward to that.
Neither play the same position as Scholes though.

M.D.

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13 Jun 2012 21:06:29
even tho willems is having a poor game tonight i still think he would be an excellent signing for us.
as for powel getting game time, i think he will take up andersons who i think saf has lost patience with (injuries) i can see him getting at least 20games over the season admittedly mainly in cup games and against the lower league teams.

i can see our cup team looking something like
-----carrick-----
---clev-powel---
valencia---young
-----chicarito-----

dags

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So no rooney?

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13 Jun 2012 20:56:47
Anyone else find mark lawrenson really sarcastic in commentary? Can hear him laughing his head off behind his mic too ha.

Also hear the other commentator mention united seriously interested in hummels that's a few times over the tournament they have said united and a player

Welsh Red

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He had a sneaky dig at nani on saturday. I know where he lives (southport), might pop round with a carten of eggs.

Ste-Utd

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13 Jun 2012 20:39:47
Well at least my Holland to win the Euros bet is doing well!

Wait a minute!!

Germany with Gomez top scorer not to shabby though.

Jono

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Get in Gomez! Pity Germany conceded though.

G.A.G.U.S

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G.A.G.U.S

I'm glad they did or Syd! would have had Gomez and 2 clean sheets ;-0

Jono

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Syd! is the Liverpool of this league.

G.A.G.U.S

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13 Jun 2012 20:40:44
I think this match should end all this speculation about Willems. Not saying he won't be good in the future, but he looks very green at the moment and why would we loan/sell Fabio and replace him with someone who needs even more development. I personally think Baines is a much better option as age-wise he he will plug the gap between Evra and Fabio.

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Based on one match? Joking right?

GDS

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13 Jun 2012 20:39:47
@RedDevil19,

So far mate, Willems has failed this test miserably. He's getting destroyed down that side, gone missing and out of position all the time. I hope we don't get him this summer. Yes he's young. Yes he's one for the future. But i'd prefer he learn his trade at PSV than come to Utd and pick up more bad habits from Evra.

BennyBlanco

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Can't disagree, he has looked very raw. More raw than I thought. Perhaps not this summer eh.

RedDevil19

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13 Jun 2012 20:34:04
Well hopefully the willems shouts will end now as he is nowhere near as good as Evra he has stunk the place out even Lawrenson says hes dying out there

Pardoe

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Been good in the second half after a dreadful first half. I would rather have a kid learning his trade and making mistakes, than a 32 year old.

Sydney!

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@Syd: then why not that kid be Fabio(if he stays injury free)...why waste money on Willems :P

Devil for Life

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Willems is left footed and has so much potential. I just knew I would come on here tonight and see people saying willems isn't good enough because of one performance. The lad is the Dutch left back at 18 years old. Joking if you have judged him on one match, motd fever in reverse!

GDS

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Since whan was Evra 32? He's currently 31 and his birthday is the 18th of MAY!! So he won't be 32 until the end of next season. I'm not a fan of him based on his recent form but theres no need to exagerate his age to make him look as less viable option.

Shappy

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13 Jun 2012 20:31:13
well the dutch defence is dire. The centrebacks are useless. Willems has been destroyed but he is young and raw and hasn't been helped by his teammates. Whoever suggested van der wiel as a signing go and get help rafael is twice the player at least. And people who touted afellay after the weekend game well i didn't think he did much, started bright but faded fast, clearly not fit after injury. Looks like its caught up with him. Lastly why did i not go with my gut and have gomez in fantasy team.

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13 Jun 2012 20:30:34
Willems is having a nightmare!

Big Mac

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13 Jun 2012 20:27:23
Is anyone else out there not wanting us to sign baines?

There is surely some other leftbacks out there like Cissokho (lyon) Alba (valencia) willems (psv) even though having a nightmare against Germany at the moment poor lad, any others that would be viable and have more to offer?

I just think 15 min on baines is a waste as dont really rate him? not quick, he isnt going to dribble past players, fair enough he can cross but when i watched the liverpool derby he got ripped to shreads by DOWNING thats embarrasing!

jple23

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I agree Baines is probably not worth £15m. However, I do think we have a tendency to build up certain foreign players as 'the next world class LB' or wotever to soon, when they show a little good form. I can't say I've watched many of the candidates that closely but they all have question marks against their names...can Alba defend or cope with the rigours of the PL? Is Willems ready or even close? (looks very raw) Is Cissokho really that good or did he just look good at his previous club and done OK at Lyon?

I'm not sure of the answers but I hope Fergie and Gill are! I for one wouldn't mind a LB who is actually a GOOD defender as well as able to go forward

Gav

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It's got to be Izzaguire imho. Real class, and already much better than Evra.

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13 Jun 2012 20:24:02
Would just like to point out, Willems positionally is worse than Evra.

DB-Red

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He's 18, evra 32, see the difference?

GDS

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I had more positional sense at left back at 18 than Willems and I play left wing.

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Did you play against Germany?

Have you seen him play in more than 2 games?

Did you play for your country at 18?

I am guessing 3 no's.

GDS

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13 Jun 2012 20:23:54
Willems is getting torn apart. Hopefully this will end all the chat of a poss move to Utd. Would not improve our side. Stick with the kids we already have.

Langers

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13 Jun 2012 20:18:27
Funny how if Evra was performing like Willems is tonight then people would be slating him and saying get rid.
SqueakyBum

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Don't worry I think there's plenty Willems-bashing on it's way

Gav

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13 Jun 2012 20:09:52
Hello i would like to know why MUTV is not free to air,we are a massive club with huge revenue my question is how come Liverpool who dont genarate half of are income can have there channel on free veiw. I think its a great shame for those of us who cant afford , eldely or disabled to travel to Manchester but love the club whole heartedly. I would like to hear your veiws on this. Love the site John the big fisherman .

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You can't afford £6 a month? Sky own 33% of MUTV so they would want something in return.

Sydney!

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We probs pay the staff who produce it more, you are right though it would be nice of the club to give something back.

1redarmy

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If I dont live in the UK where and how can I get the signals?

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Now Sydney even for you that was a cheap shot, hope i don't leave my capitals on or god forgive i spell something wrong that you can have another jibe at me. Ok as all of us know you have to subscribe to a sky package then pay another fee to get the channel. I was only asking what others thought and would have valued there opinion if i had wanted a half smart arsed reply i would have asked you directly . John the big fisherman

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John, you do not need to get a Sky package to get MUTV. You can get Virgin and get the lowest package. It's free as it's basically freeview channels and then order the MUTV channel. They will even install it for free. You can even get it online for £4 a month. Didn't mean to come across as an arse :)

Sydney!

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I'm in the Rep of Ireland,the only way for us here is through sky ,thank you will look into getting on the internet.I was a season ticket holder from 1962 to 1977 when i returned back to Ireland up to a few years ago i would get to see 1 or 2 matches a year but sadly too old now to travel.The internet is a great way for me to try and keep in touch watched every match home and away last year on line.Thank you all again.John the big fisherman

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13 Jun 2012 20:08:08
Ed, do you think there would be any chance of us signing bendtner , great player , played really well against Portugal tonite and could see him forging a really good partnership with berbatov

Oswald II

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This is getting stupid now, why oh why would we want him.

He failed at Arsenal, didn't actually set the world alight at Sunderland, not united class and lacks the team ethic I think Fergie is always looking for. It is all about him, and to be honest he isn't good enough.

maybe Liverpool £25m

A

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Oswald

I can't tell if you are joking or serious. For your sake, I sure hope this is a joke...

Sparty On

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This could be a really good shout actually , arsenal dont want him and he is like berbatov so they would be good together, some of your shouts have been terrible oswald but this could in my opinion be a great option

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I really hope you are joking, this is the same player who has just had a poor season on loan at sunderland.
jenny

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For the love of God we are better than that

Pardoe

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This is an example of misguided humour I'm almost certain

Gav

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He would be a great aquisition , plus he can play on the left and possibly left back if evra left for swansea

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Oswald II has done quite a few of these silly posts now, not sure why they are getting through, especially when he's replying to his own posts pretending to be someone else. It's sad and pathetic really.

GDS

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13 Jun 2012 20:06:51
not saying we should buy him or even that we'd have a chance, but what a player hummels is and is going to be. Mort

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Just signed a 4 year extension at Dortmund.

DB-Red

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13 Jun 2012 20:05:41
Tonight will be a big test for Jetro Willems, it will be interesting to see how he performs. I think he has been on my list of summer wants for about 6 months now, i just hope it comes into fruition!

RedDevil19

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Being embarrassed by the germans

Bren

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He is getting torn apart tonight, his positional awareness looks terrible


Dwright

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Getting ripped apart right now imo. But this is a very experienced German side, and at 18, he'll only get better. I can see is potential though

Sparty On

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His defensive positional sense so far has been about as good as Evra's. Lets scratch another name off the list;-) lol.

Shappy

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Not doing great so far!

M.D.

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I suggest you burn that list. My word, he has had a shocker.Never nice to see with a young player. I wish him the best in his development but he has been found out big time at this level.

BornInToIt

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All at sea tonight for me. i have never been that impressed if am honest. young though and could still improve but am not convinced. We need a player that will push evra straight away and i dont think jetro is ready yet.
jenny

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He is getting torn apart by Muller who has no pace. Looking like he still has a fair bit to learn before replacing PE and that means he is no use to us this summer.

Maybe in a year or two.

Jono

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13 Jun 2012 19:41:15
Right then ladies.....
All behind the Germans tonight i WILL assume! ; )

Deutschland über alles!!!!

Whistler.

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13 Jun 2012 19:39:54
"Thanks guys but it certainly wasn't Zaha nor was it Jonathan Williams - the lad I'm thinking of is part of their Academy and as far as I know hasn't made a senior appearance for them (although I may be wrong on that).

Anyone else know owt on this?

Red Rob"

___________________________________

The only other person I can think of (striker-wise) is Sullay Kaikai - he's probably the best known of the academy and was I think linked to Arsenal for a bit.

Joe

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13 Jun 2012 19:39:11
just been watching the Portugal Denmark game and we should stay well of that no 7 for Portugal, I didn't catch his name but he looks rubbish. Who's that lad they had playing out on the wings though he looked a bit useful maybe we should get him..... I AM KLOOT

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Out on the right with the unusually excellent and dangerous crosses into the box? Nani has looked very good so far. All he needs is his confidence back and an injury free streak, and we'll be looking for next season

Sparty On

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He did look good today, didn't he?
Hopefully it's not the end of the road for him at OT, as some people on here have been predicting.

M.D.

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13 Jun 2012 19:05:27
The Euros is already showin how fans can be fooled into wanting to sign players for there clubs after seein them play just a couple of good games without really knowing what they are like.So far if we didn't know what we know as from seeing them regular then you see players like Arsharvin for Russia goin at players creating,Bendtner for Denmark good in the air grabbing goals,then you have fans saying sign them up.The other way you would think Ronaldo was terrible!lol&we have learnt before abou signing after a euro showin.....Poborsky!lol

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I liked him

Ross

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13 Jun 2012 18:39:45
As a genuine lover of both Man utd and PL football I can't see why everyone is so negative about Modric I know he will thrive at OT and be a real star.
As for Baines you seen what Liverpool done over spent on average English playesr. Stay clear if him in my view.
I would love to see modric join kagawa and Powell with someone like tiote or stootman as our enforcer. Or play Jones there got the quality.
As for full backs that French RB Debuncy would be quality. LB that young williem Dutch boy as I feel evra still does a job for us.
As for another striker if we even need one huntelaar or cisse personally cisse would be a super buy but just joining Newcastle can't see it unfortunately
Any thoughts guy? Ed? swhat would you think of these signings
Cheers Papa

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13 Jun 2012 18:37:45
Well Guyz!
First time posting though. All i wished is I Want C. RONALDO back to Old Trafford. YEA CR7.
Any chance of us getting him back? Eds or syd or anyone?

Elliot.

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Sadly no there isn't Elliot.

1redarmy

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13 Jun 2012 18:36:56
What is it with all the top strikers in this tournament not been able to hit a barn door?

RedManDan

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13 Jun 2012 17:55:44
Would just like to say how well Nani has done this first half, and also has an assist to his name. A top player that I hope stays at the club.

RedDevil19

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Ive always wanted him to stay. you will see after the game how many nani haters start loving him again :/

TRUMORS

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Don't think he's been anything other than his usual, little flashes like the assist and little flashes of indecisveness.

Yes i would still sell for the right price.

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Eh, no!

G.A.G.U.S

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No Name

What match were u watching..? His crosses were quite good and dangerous..! It was poor finishing from Postiga and Ronaldo..! he played really well

Shaun

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So you want us to sell a quality, settled in Man United player for who?
How much do you think we would get for Nani? £25 - 30 million......no way! We'd be lucky to get £15 million.
So then we buy James Rodrigez for £20 - £25 million with no guarantee of success.....All you guys who go on about him......how many full matches have you watched him play? Come on.....Youtube doesn't count. Youtube is a useless way of judging if a player is quality. 3 minutes of videoed assists and goals does not make a quality signing.
We have Nani and Young for the left wing and they may not be Ronaldo.....but the are still quality. I hope Nani stays!!

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13 Jun 2012 17:41:52
eriksen again largely anonymous. I think its down to two things, one the rest of his team, especially in midfield and upfront aren't that good, just functional hardworkers no real quality. Secondly i think he's struggling with the pressure. To me he doesn't look like a twenty million plus player and he doesn't look like a manchester united player.

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I can't work out what position he should be playing in. There is no doubt that he is a classy player with potential, but is he more or a Sneijder player who plays in the hole, or someone like Scholes who drops a bit deeper? To me he doesn't seem to have made one position his own, thats one of the reasons why I hope we don't see him here for at least a year as he has a lot of learning to do.

RedDevil19

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Agreed RD19, i think there's too much expectation on him to make something happen which is a lot of pressure for a lad that age to carry a whole country. Bendtner is a donkey and Rommedahl is past it, there's only Krohn-Deli who looks decent, the rest are just there to break up and mop up. Think its the pressure more than anything and the lack of anyone of any quality along side or in front of him.

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Looks lacking in confidence IMO. Perhaps another year at Ajax is a good shout afterall? He is clearly a great prospect though

Gav

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13 Jun 2012 17:36:07
Jenny, I appologise before-hand if this is a bit presumptuous about you....but here goes:

I would like to point out a twitter profile "Agent007ITK":

Jenny: "Di Matteo has now signed a 12 month rolling contract at Chelsea and this will be announced today or tomorrow."
Agent007ITK: "Di Matteo has already signed. Should be announced today or tomorrow." AND "Di Matteo is set to be offered a one year rolling contract at CFC"

Jenny: "i dont some digging on the redknapp rumours. he is set for talks this week with levy about his future at the club"
Agent007ITK: "He's set to have talks with Levy this week about his future at the club."

Jenny: "Anyone that is interested in cabaye will have to break the bank for his signature."
Agent007ITK: "What are the chances or cabaye joining Manutd ? Please reply” would require lots of £££"

Jenny: "Anyway he said last night about modric agreeing terms with united but its now down to us to agree price. At present spurs need to lower there valuation for any deal to go ahead."
Agent007ITK: "Luka Modric has agreed terms with Manchester United. It's now between Tottenham and United to agree on the transfer fee."

Jenny: "we are interested to an extent, but it is far from a done deal"
Agent007ITK: "Yes, to an extent. Far from a done deal though. RT @alanbrowwnn: @Agent007ITK are the rumours true about Modric to united?"

Jenny: "apart from kagawa and powell will sign 2 of the following 3.
Baines
Mvilla or Martinez (properly the 1st as 2nd dont want to leave spain)
Modric"
Agent007ITK: "Any idea who will be Man united's next target? Except Nick Powell.” Modric/Javi Martinez/Baines. Expect 2/3."

Don't shoot the Messenger!

And that my fellow United fans....is why they call me Detective MPez ;)

MPez

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You have way too much time on your hands.

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Maybe there the same person?

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Summer holidays MPez?

G.A.G.U.S

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Unnamed poster...I hardly have any time on my hands bud, doing my AS Levels right now #revision!

Have you not got enough time on your hands to come up with a posting name? :-)

MPez

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Good work MPez Cluseaux! Definitely the same person!

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Does he she need a name to post

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Appologies, I didn't explain it very well....I wasn't trying to say they are the same person, Agent007ITK is male...

What I was trying to say is that Jenny gets her info from this chap on twitter...as each of the quotes I have from him were uploaded to this site by Jenny recently after.

Obviously this may be coincidence...or the person talking to Jenny could be telling her things from this twitter page....

Ps. #NoNameNoPost!

MPez (Clouseau)

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The person talking to me is not the person above sorry.
i dont have twitter, and i only comment on what am told. my cousin is an ex premier league footballer and i used to play for womens team.
Jenny

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I am also coaching girls under 10's at present and studying for my coaching badges. i have alot of friends in football players/agents etc.
we are told loads of rumours etc, i just pass on what am told.
no offense taken from me by your post either, but the person you used looks like agent with her name, so could be same person
jenny

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Agent007ITK........James Bond....... Can anyone see where I am going with this?

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13 Jun 2012 16:57:12
A comment on here yesterday got me very excited about the possibility of a future Barkley, Powell and Tunnicliffe midfield. So I thought I would list my ideal team for 3 to 4 years time - as today seems to be full of procrastinating..

__________De Gea__________
_Rafael_Smalling_Jones_Fryers_
______Tunnicliffe_Barkley_____
___________Powell__________
__Cole_____Rooney____Brady_


Mmmmmmm...

Joe

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So we just bought Kagawa for nothing...

What would that team be battling for, top 4 every season at a push

fearny

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Probably Blackett instead of Zeki, apart from that the team looks good

MUMBAI_BOY

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I'm sorry but Brady and Cole only have the potential to be squad players. They will probably both end up in the lower end of the Premier League, a bit like Chris Eagles and Lee Martin did. Also, Fryers won't be here I don't think.

RedDevil19

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You guys... this is why I am not the manager. It's MY ideal team not yours!

Ideally, they would work out and become world class players. Ideally. This is why it is my ideal team. And not my reality team.

Joe

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No Welbeck?

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13 Jun 2012 15:41:37
Powell won't be going back to Crewe on loan. Crewe coach ruled it out.
NWDA

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Apparantly dario has said sir alex has set powell the challenge of having the same impact as ronaldo did when he 1st joined us so maybe we'll see powell a bit more than what we expect.

phil

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I'm hoping he's the new Rooney. High expectations of course!

Joe

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Phil not that I'm tryin to deny what you said but I think there is a lot of difference between joining United after having a good season for Lisbon in the portuguese league and joining United from a League 2 side.

Ronaldo had broken into the portuguese team when he joined us and had a good season at Lisbon and had even played Champions league whereas Powell has just started out, cant see him playing any part for us this season.


I would absolutely love it if Tunnicliffe and Powell are allowed to join a Premier League club on loan.

MUMBAI_BOY

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Powell will get games this season.

Sydney!

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MUMBAI_BOY i agree with what you say but if its true what dario is saying then sir alex obviously is thinking of putting powell into the 1st team squad hence why i say we might see more of him than we think,time will tell i suppose,if he goes on tour and makes an impact i can see him being used next season,like you say though,its a huge step up for the lad

phil

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Powell just get the games that Pogba would have gotten.

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Well done syd Powell will get games but who with

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He will get League Cup/FA games, possibly one or two UCL group games before Christmas, perhaps a loan out to a EPL club in the second half of the season.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - Unless Manchester United are entering the FA Cup at an earlier stage their won't be any games before Christmas.}

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Ed002, very true mate, I said Christmas but meant a loan in the second half of the season from mid Feb to May. Would get a couple rounds in then ;)

Sydney!

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13 Jun 2012 15:29:49
I wonder if Michael Laudrup takes over from Brendon Rodgers that this may hinder their Sigurrdson deal? That really would be funny if he chose Swansea over Liverpool.

Sydney!

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I would enjoy that Sydney! Let's all hope that happens..

Joe

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All? I don't think so. How spiteful, childish - bordering on the moronic. Grow up.
Charles

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Agree Charles,

But funny if it happened.

A

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Calm down Charles - we're only having a bit of fun. And it doesn't involve any physical activity so even a boring old fart like you can join in.

Joe

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13 Jun 2012 15:07:40
This isnt united realted but just curious if that guy Olivier Giroud Arsenal look about to sign is any good?

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Yes, he was top scorer in the French league last season.

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I think he's great. Big man - but technically gifted.. it seems he's a bit of a late bloomer though. Around 26 I think? Before now never had much of a chance in the national team, but a tidy bit of business for the gunners if the 12m reported figure is right.

Joe

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For a big man, he's got a lovely touch ;)

G.A.G.U.S {Ed002's Note - You thinking about Ed007 again?}

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You will have to wait and see... Chamakh was top class in Ligue 1 now look at him, absolutely useless

fearny

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There's nothing going on Ed002, I swear ;)

G.A.G.U.S

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13 Jun 2012 14:59:14
Ed002, is it true United are looking at floating the club on the NY market instead of Hong Kong or Singapore. Do you think the Chevrolet deal has something to do with this? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - An IPO was agreed by the Singapore Stock Exchange and they would need to restart the process to float in NY. I cannot see what benefits there would be and it could well result in a devaluation of the club. The Chevrolet deal is no more than a run of the mill sponsorship deal replacing Audi - don't read anything in to it.}

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Thanks Ed.

Sydney!

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Can you explain this? Why would a listing on the New York Exchange devalue the club? {Ed002's Note - In agreeing the IPO a valuation needs to be agreed. The owners want that valuation to be as high as possible but the NYSE is wary of over valuations - for example the Facebook fiasco back in May. In walking away from a floatation in Singapore (at least for the time being) it is more likely they will sit and wait another year hoping markets settle. If they cannot get the valuation they want in NY (or anywhere really) then they would need to sell a larger percentage of the club to raise the desired funds. So it is hard to see what will happen in the short term.}

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Thanks for sharing your insight Ed002. If you're still around - has the valuation for the agreed Singapore IPO already been set at an agreed amount or will the valuation date be on the day the IPO actually occurs? I only ask as I'm interested as to whether the date of this valuation is likely to have a major impact on our spending and wage bill in the mean time?

Thanks

Gav {Ed002's Note - The valuation is only relevant at the time of sale and will not impact spending - it is the owners who get the money, not the club. So if the vaulation places the club's worth at £1.2B and 30% is sold they will raise £400M - if it is valued at £1.5B, then 30% realises £500M.}

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Ed002, are you still of the opinion that they will clear all bond debt or have you heard something different since we last discussed this? Thanks.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - They have to declare their intentions when the business is floated - and that certainly was the original intention.}

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That is good to know, thanks.

Sydney!

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Cheers Ed002, I get you

Gav

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Sydney

An article today in which the Glazers are rumoured to be switching the floatation to the US.
 
After first eyeing a £1.7bn Hong Kong IPO, they planned to float up to 30pc of the club in Singapore in the second half of last year. With a 30pc stake of the club valued at around £600m, the overall value of United would be in the region of £2bn.
As a result of its change of listing location, Manchester United is expected to make changes to its bookrunning syndicate. Credit Suisse, JP Morgan and Morgan Stanley were originally mandated as bookrunners for the Singapore listing, but sources told Reuters said that this line-up could change.
Jefferies has also joined the deal, the sources said.
The banks working on the deal and a Manchester United spokesperson did not respond to Reuters' requests for comment.
One of the sources said Manchester United had always planned to position itself as a global media business rather than a sports franchise, suggesting that a US listing would make more sense.
US investors are also familiar with the dual-class share structure that was under discussion for Manchester United's Singapore listing, having seen it used by household names such as Google and Facebook.
The Glazers are understood to have wanted to sell Class B shares with limited or no voting rights to maintain a level of control of 95pc to 100pc.
That structure was said to be one reason why they opted for Singapore in the first place, as, unlike Hong Kong, the exchange was happy to agree to the format, and for the club's Class A shares to be quoted but not traded.
However, the issuer is understood to have become frustrated with long delays in approval from the Singapore Exchange, even after it had indicated it would have no problems with a dual-class share issue.
A US listing might earn the company a better valuation as a media business, since it has contracts for broadcasting rights as well as its own television channel.
However, it is unlikely to achieve the original goal of putting shares in the hands of a wide base of United fans. A source told Reuters that the original aim of the Singapore listing was to create "a pan-regional platform for retail investors".
Singapore had seemed the ideal location, as it provided a way to reach retail investors in one of its biggest fan bases, Indonesia. When the Singapore listing was still under consideration, the importance of Asia to the company, with much of its growth coming from Asian merchandise sales, had been heavily emphasised during marketing to investors.

For information

Red Man

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13 Jun 2012 14:18:07
Thought you'd all be interested to hear what Kagawa had to say when talking to Japanese press lately.

"I met Sir Alex and contacted him a few times afterwards. I thought we hit it off, which meant a lot to me. He told me, 'Don't worry about a thing, trust me. I would love it if you could take on this huge challenge'."

"And when a legendary man like him says that to you, it carries a lot of weight."

Ozwald

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From an arsenal fan, youve got yourself a great player their.

I think he will be brilliant for you!

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I'm so excited to see how he will fit with the team. Things are looking up chaps..

Joe

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13 Jun 2012 14:15:08
Looks like were going to miss out on m'villa and alba these two would of been great signings cheaper and better than baines and strootman but if modric signs for a cheap enough price he will be a great signing.

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M'Vila would almost certainly NOT be cheaper than Strootman.

TK-Red

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No TK is right, Strootman would definitely be cheaper haha. I don't think missing out of Jordi Alba is that big of a deal though, he always seemed Barcelona-bound and I think he was perhaps a tad too small for our league. Then again, I say that but Fabio and Rafael aren't particularly big.

Joe

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13 Jun 2012 13:44:33
Would this formation be too attacking 4-1-2-1-2?

-----------De Gea----------
-Rafa-Smalls--Vidic-Evra-
----------Carrick-----------
-Tony----------------Nani-
----------Kagawa-----------
---Welbeck-----Rooney---

Sparty On

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It's pretty much a 4-4-2 with Kagawa and Carrick in midfield. I would say it probably wouldn't work against a top team.

Sydney!

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I agree syd, top teams would dominate the midfield but could work against smaller clubs willing to defend against us. would earn welbeck some game time too and as long as carried can supply the ball out wide quickly it should work with the wingers squeezing in when off the ball

1redarmy

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I posted a formation like This. The other day essentially a 4-4-2 but with a diamond layout, I'd like to see this but with asamoah/modric/strootman in instead of Carrick!

Macca!

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Spot on Syd...to weak in the middle.
This is where we need to get a proper top quality player in!

Simmo

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Can't see with Valencia "paint in his boots" and Nani, maybe one of them plus Clevs playing in to out? Or Kagawa and Rooney behind Welbeck:

----------------Carrick---------------
Toni----Rooney---Kagawa--Luis
---------------Welbeck---------------

Could work, but think would be better with a real athletic holding / ball player, like Sissoko (sp) played for France Vs England. (not seen MVilla properly or Strootman, so can't comment)

Personally I think you're dragging Rooney backwards... Away from where he's most effective, prefer 4231 variations.

DodgyBanter

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13 Jun 2012 13:28:08
Will someone just please confirm if Pogba has gone it is worse that the Hazard situation.

What a joke!

i dont particularly want him to stay the way he has handled everything!

jple23

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Why, how has HE handled everything?

Give em a direct quote from Mr. Pogba...

GDS

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13 Jun 2012 13:25:45
The BBC (who are more reputable than most) are suggesting that Arsenal will confirm the signing of Olivier Giroud for £12m later this week.

With Giroud and Podolski coming in - surely that means the end of RVP's time at Arsenal?

I see him going to Italy - but has anybody heard anything plausible about him moving to another EPL club? Eds? Syd?

T0MB0Z

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I think it's certain that RVP will move, but where he is moving to is the puzzling question? Juventus? PSG?

Sydney!

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T0mb0z,

It's more like a contingency. RVP has a tendancy to be sumwhat injury prone.

Ok he has an excellent run last season but i suspect next season he may not be so lucky.

Monk

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Cant see him moving to Juventus or PSG - both are imo major steps down in quality-league wise.

I can only see him signing for Real Madrid or Man City, don't believe this 'it wont sign for another team in the EPL because it loves arsenal so much' if he loved them so much he wont leave.

I would love to see him in a United Shirt and if he became available between 20-30m i would like to think fergie would be interested, where do we fit all these players in and formation etc is a different argument but i'm not the manager ;)

Giants14

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Giants, between £20m-£30m? Are you crazy? That really would be money down the drain.

Sydney!

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Sydney

Seriously? you think it would be a waste? i personnelly think that RVP for under 30m will be a steal in todays market - Carroll-35m,Torres 50m and Modric rumoured to be 30m+, i would take RVP over any of them, i know Modric is a different type of player but i would rather go for RVP, have Kagawa in the midfield and go for a tough DM.

RVP dragged Arsenal into the Champions league on his own, RVP and rooney with Young, Kagawa, Valenica with Chico and Welback would be some firepower, on his day he is unstoppable and would be unbelivable with better players around him

Best striker in the EPL imo

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RVP Father stated his son will not play for another prem team. Personally i think he is off to Juventus.
Giroud only wants to sign for arsenal and rumours are he has a 12million release clause.
jenny

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His dad has said a move to the premier league is out of the question. My money is on Madrid with Higuan leaving but Juventus will be contenders

fearny

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No name, he is entering his final season of contract, he will be 29 when the season kicks-off and he has only had one season where he has stayed fit and been prolific. You are looking at the player (based on this season) and not the business side of things. No one will pay more than £20m for him. Nasri only cost £23m and he was 23 years old, not 29.

Sydney!

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Sydney

That was me again (Giants14)

I understand were your coming from, yes he's 29 but if a team were to come in for him slap a five year deal that takes him near retirement , i never get the mentality of a sell on value - why does a player need to be sold on?

I have enjoyed and admired RVP for the past few seasons, yes this season he was unbelivable but i think he's the best striker in the PL.

Ronaldo is 27, next summer he decides to leave Madrid and you wouldn't fancy signing him because he is over the prefered age of 26? Who's to say RVP doesnt have another 30-40 goal seasons in the next 2-3 years?

was Carroll worth 35m? Pool fans said at the beginning he's young and has the potential, RVP is a proven world class striker in the top league in the world - for £20m? i would def hop SAF goes for him lol

Giants 14

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I agree with Sydney with the fee you've quoted. Its far too much for a player who has been very much injury prone, albeit a top player when fit. I would much rather see the midfield reinforced with a box to box midfielder similar to Toure.

Mad Hatter

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Arsenal will play all 3 upfront with RVP slightly reserved to the right where he use to play before last season.

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Giants, Ronaldo would be a year younger and has been prolific since he was 20. He also doesn't have a very poor injury record like RVP. Carroll was worth £17m-£20m, Liverpool overpaid, he shouldn't be used as an example. RVP could get 30-40 goals next season, but who's to say he would get one of his inevitable injuries and miss most of the season? RVP is worth between £16m-£20m due to his injury record, age and because he has less than a year left on his current deal. Then you have to factor-in his wages, they would be £150k a week minimum and would we want to pay that when he is out for three months with a simple muscle injury. I would rather spend £12m-£15m on Lewandowski or Luuk De Jong than spend £25m+ on an old, mostly injured RVP. For £16m yes, but I wouldn't pay more than that for him.

Sydney!

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Agree Syd....to much of a gamble.
Look at his seasons before this one he's hardly set the world alight plus he's 29.
To injury prone, not worth the risk!
Maybe if your City and 25-30 million is like peanuts to them, we have to invest wisely!

Simmo

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13 Jun 2012 12:49:24
Manutd Team next season according to rumours & the press :)


-----------------DDG-----------------

Piszczek--Hummels--Subotic--Schmelzer

Blaszczykowski-Kagawa-Gotze-Grosskreutz

------Lewandowski---Barrios-------------

Thoughts?

MelonRed

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Thoughts are with the name... MELON!


MS85

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Lol. Hate to break it to you - but Barrios just signed for Guangzhou Evergrande on a four year deal.

T0MB0Z

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You got lazy with the keeper haha could have put julio cesar in there.

1redarmy

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Fifa 12 not an English player in sight
No chance
Pointless
WTf

Pardoe

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You forgot weidenfeller, and it should be gundogan as part of a 5 man midfield rather than barrios ;)

Philiphs93

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It's a joke people, cheers MelonRed, got a chuckle out of me

Sparty On

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I think the OP is joking lads, he has named pretty much the entire Dortmund team because we keep getting linked to their players.

Sydney!

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To appease Pardoe,

Why not just stick Hart in net! : - )

Monk

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Haha brilliant post, found out who doesn't have a sense of humour!

(Pardoe, T0MB0Z, MS85)

GDS

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Easy lads, just a bit of a joke ;)

MelonRed

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Haha spot on GDS - Pardoe, your comment made me laugh more than anything else today....

Joe

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13 Jun 2012 12:19:47
Kagawa: Agreement with Manchester United is done!

"I have to do a medical check but the agreement between me and the club is done," he told Japanese reporters.

"I wanted to avoid people focusing on this matter [during World Cup qualifiers]. It was Manchester United who sent me an offer officially."

The midfielder spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson ahead of his proposed moved to Manchester and revealed his delight following his conversation with the 70-year-old manager.

"It was great that such a great person spoke to me. I will decide my future soon talking with my agent. Then you will see the official news," he added.

"The agreement has been almost done. I asked myself to consider many things but I found that I want a challenge."--kagawa said

"Bharat mata ki jai"

= @imyash

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I really am excited about Kagawa, I have a feeling he will create so many goals and chances and I think Rooney and Welbeck will thrive off his service.

Top player, top price so no pressure.

1redarmy

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13 Jun 2012 12:18:48
New Manchester United signing Shinji Kagawa hopes to play a central attacking role at Old Trafford.

The Japan international's £17million move from German double winners Borussia Dortmund is expected to be rubber stamped soon as he awaits a green light for a work permit before passing a medical.

"I want to play (in the hole)," Kagawa told the Kyodo news agency on Wednesday.

"I feel like that's where I play my best football. I plan on working hard so I can win my place at the position.

"They're one of the biggest clubs in the world, and I was given a chance to play for them. I took a lot of things into consideration, like the fact that they've got a deep squad, their style of football and it wasn't an easy decision.

"But I wanted the challenge."

sorry for copy and paste, but this guy seems like a class act

Sparty On

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'They're one of the biggest clubs in the world, and I was given a chance to play for them.'

I already love Kagawa and hope he becomes a great player for us. Quotes like these are very encouraging. A talented young footballer not asking for megabucks salary (relatively!) who WANTS to play for United. Class.


Halesini

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13 Jun 2012 12:07:57
Hearing modric deal is agreed for 26m , a price that was agreed in January with modric people if spurs did not qualify for champions league. There will also be a player going the opposite way (dont know if its a loan or transfer).

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Where did you hear this?

That would be a great price.

1redarmy

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£26M + PLAYER = TOO MUCH.

Well. I suppose it could be Bebe - but that would decrease the value of the transfer?

T0MB0Z

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LOL, £26m + Bebe = £25m.

On a serious note, £26m and Fryers would be a good deal IMO.

Sydney!

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Not many deals seem to include players going the other way really so id be suprised if this was right. Id say its going to be cash only. Rio may have interested them but they look like getting olsen/vertongen(spelling) so my guess is utd will pay around 28m for modric.

Parks.

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Why didn't the Spuds sell him to Chelsea last year when they offered more than 35mil he's completely overated think he scored a 4 goals and 4 assists last season.

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13 Jun 2012 11:53:53
Is nick powell not actually in SAF shopping list but forced to buy to avoid the risk of him losing to chelsea or any other club? just like what happened with phil jones last season?
If it is so it is only 2 million upfront and the allocated money for other targets wont be affected.
last season unexpected phil jones signing made us not to make a move for a CM in my opinion.

Ravi {Ed004's Note - No Nasri deciding he wanted more money was why we decided not to sign a midfielder. Also weren't we very close to get Sneijder?}

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Don't agree signing Phil Jones meant we didnt go for a central midfielder. We went for Nasri and Sneijder, the latter admitted in September he thought it was a done deal and he would have signed for us. There was talk at the time of Nike covering the gap between what Sneijder wanted in wages and what United would pay however nothing came of it.

As we know Nasri went to City for more dollar too.

I think these events happened in the same window but aren't connected. We had looked at Phil Jones and perhaps Uncle Fergie thought another year at Blackburn may be in order but when Liverpool starting sniffing around him it was clear we had to make our move.

Folks may recall a certain Wayne Rooney was bid for by Newcastle initially when he was at Everton hence galvanising us into buying one of our greatest ever players.

Whether we had more than the £50m or so available that we spent last summer we just dont know the answer too.

I suspect that is an annual net outlay that SAF has to work within but that not to say that other players could have been offloaded if w'd got a CM in. Given current stalled contract talks Nani is the obvious contender to have been moved on / to be moved on in addition to Berbatov, Anderson, Park.

I do think Fergie wanted to see what a full season by Cleverley would yield and we did start great with Cleverley and Anderson partnership before their respective injuries.


Halesini

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People need to understand that cash doesn't leaved the club in one go, for example £16.5m for Jones. It is amortised over the length of his contract so it's £3.3m a year.

Sydney!

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13 Jun 2012 11:10:33
More a comment than banter or rumour but here goes. Its looking like an active window for us already with 2 signings wrapped up and serious interest in others so we've got to be happy so far. One thing i hope for next season is that we play players where they should be played, by this i mean kagawa apparently plays best behind the striker so lets play him there rather than out wide or asking him to try another role. Jones is a ctr back so lets give him games there rather than shunting him into midfield or at right back. I understand different games need different personel and tactics so im trying hard to word my post so it doesnt sound like criticism of sir alex but i think we have hampered some players over the past few seasons, anderson the main one by tring to remold them into another role other than the one we spotted them playing or where they are more effective. Im sure other fans think the same and can probably word it better than i have but there you go.


Parks

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I'll be disappointed if we play Kagawa out wide. He's too good a talent to be playing out of position on a weekly basis.

T0MB0Z

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Good post.

Personally I'd like to see Vidic and Jones form a central defensive partnership though I appreciate some view Smalling as more complimentary to Vidic's style.

Our front two though has to be Kagawa supporting Rooney though with our favourite scouser reverting to a out and out attacker.


Halesini

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Cheers for the response, im one of those that leans towards smalling to partner vidic as i think smalling has everything in his locker to be as close to rio as it gets. Jones for me is a good young player who needs games in the cups and the odd league fixture to improve before he can be first choice. A front two of Kagawa and Rooney is exciting like you say, i can just see so many chances-goals from little one-two's between them. Id like to think our team come the start of the season would be ddg, rafael, vidic, smalling, evra, carrick, modric, tony, kagawa, young, rooney in a 4-2-3-1. I know theres doubts over evra, modric there but that team looks pretty solid to me and would still have quality like rio, scholes, nani and the pea on the bench.

Que the abuse!


Parks.

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Parks

I'd like that team very much, would have Nani starting or at least rotating with both Young & Valencia

Gav

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Gav

The only reason i put young in is because i think he'd help cover evra slightly better than nani? But yeah nani would be in and out, cheers.

Parks

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13 Jun 2012 11:04:21
Right, i am delighted to say that we have secured the signature of Kagawa and Powell. Now, i can't see us signing anymore than 5 players, its just not our style, perhaps a 6th could be squeezed into the squad.

I think that SAF wants to invest in a central midfielder, a young striker and possibly two full backs. The striker and the full backs will probably be youngsters as unfortunatly Evra will be first choice next season (a depressing thought). Now for each position, i think that SAF has a first choice target, and a back up choice, and we will either get one of the other, for me, this has to be the list:

RB: Clyne (Right back is the exception, its Clyne or no one i expect as its not a necessity.

LB: Willems for me is first choice every day, he is going to be a world beater with the back up being Baines. Even though Baines is more expensive he won't have the longevity at United that Willems would have.

CM: Modric is the first choice, its understandable to see why (unless you're in denial). Cabaye is the back up choice. Both are similar players, i'd happily have either.

ST: I'm assuming that we have signed Henriquez, but if not then Fischer is probably the back up choice.

At the moment we have spend around £20 million on two players, one for now and one that will be class in the very near future. The fee for Henriquez is allegidly £3 million, depending on whether this rumour is true of course. I'd pay up to probably £12 million for Willems as I think he has the potential to be that good (i think he will go for less). And then i'd have a very long think about Cabaye or Modric. I really am struggling to choose. Modric is class, but would command a start and would leave less room for Cleverly, Cabaye could be left out more. I think SAF might be tempted to save £10 million or so and bid £18 million for Cabaye instead of the £28-30 million that Modric would cost.

Overall, we could see a summer where we have spent possibly a maximum of approximatly £50 million on up to 6 players: Clyne, Powell, Willems, Cabaye, Henriquez and Kagawa. The squad will be in such good shape with the addition of those boys.

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It humors me that you assume all of these players would magically be available and would jump at the chance to play for Manchester United...

Cabaye and Willems have been at their respective clubs for one season. I really can't see either leaving this year. I'd think less of them if they did.

Henriquez and Clyne are both possibilities - but Modric will depend on whether we have the money required to persuade Spurs to part with him. If we don't - others will.

T0MB0Z

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RD19

Up until yesterday you never mentioned Willems and you only put him in your wish list now because you saw an Ed on the LFC page saying he was destined for OT.

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Anyone that is interested in cabaye will have to break the bank for his signature. every player is available at newcastle for the correct price. we are talking andy carroll money now.
Is cabaye worth that much, i think he will fall into SAF no value in the market category at that price
jenny

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Jenny - any more suggestions as to who we might be targeting? Your posts always seem to be sensible/realistic.

T0MB0Z

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Agree with the post and personnel listed but Right Back IS a priority for me. We are an attacking side hence attack-minded fullbacks is a pleasure to see for obvious reasons however I would, just occassionally, like to see them DEFEND too.

Rafael is over-rated IMO. Or at least he should be an understudy to a more established Right Back. I fail to see why he's in our defence above Jones or Smalling who I accept are more Central Defenders however I would rather they play out of position than play Rafael! His lack of concentration sometimes is Silvestre-esque!!


I think Evra will have one more season as our first choice Left Back tho. Money being touted for Baines is too high for a decent but hardly world-class defender. Willems is the obvious young pretender to provide Evra competition and cover in 1213 then replace year after. That would be a much more sensible option but I'm not convinced SAF sees defence as an area to prioritise (in spite of the fact both first choice fullbacks have frequently been exposed for their poor positional play). We lost the league / played poorly in Europe tho due to losing the midfield battle and in particulary not being able to cope with teams who press the ball high up the pitch.


Halesini

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Sorry T0MB0Z at present i dont have anymore than i have already wrote about.
something that could have a influence on the modric deal. i dont some digging on the redknapp rumours. he is set for talks this week with levy about his future at the club. See what becomes of things from there.
Not united related for Di Matteo has now signed a 12 month rolling contract at Chelsea and this will be announced today or tomorrow.
jenny

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13 Jun 2012 10:16:06
saf to keep all our transfer news secret so that there are no disruptions to any of negotiations,meanwhile sending the wrong messages to the media,fergie isnt interested in modric,baines etc but expect surprises such as dembele,soriano,munaini,mvilla and guirod/del piero.....

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But Fergie is interested in Modric.........

Sydney!

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There is no evidence of interest in Modric other than newspaper rumours.

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David Gill has said in the past that if Modric is available the club would be interested. Jamie Redknapp has let slip about United's interest in Modric and Ed002 has said there is a very good chance Modric will sign for United. Add to SAF's admiration of the player I would say we are interested, wouldn't you?

Sydney!

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SAF has praised Modric in both the press and his program notes in the past. That's as far as our official interest goes at the moment (at least in the public eye). Expect an attempt to sign him somewhere down the line though.

T0MB0Z

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We are already trying to sign him according to the editor plus numerous media sources, why is that so hard for you to accept? Just because it's not public knowledge doesn't mean talks are not currently taking place.

Sydney!

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At no point have I suggested that we were not trying to sign him? I just think it's a lot further away from being sorted than you and the newspapers are saying. Until there's something official from one of the clubs I refuse to get too excited.

Remember last season when you kept telling everybody that the Sneijder deal was all but done after it came out in the paper?

T0MB0Z

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{Ed002's Note - There is a very good chance that a deal may be completed for Modric, but I am not aware of any agreement just yet.}

thats the ed's comment read in to that what you will
jred

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Who is this Editor and what are his sources? That's why its "so hard for you to accept". Unless you assume we should take your word for it of course, which appears to be your angle! Media sources are a complete mix of fairytales with journos under pressure to fill column inches, so don't be suckered into believing all what you read about United!

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When did Jamie Redknapp say this?

MelonRed

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T0MB0Z, no I do not remember saying that about Sneijder, because it never happened. You need to stop making things up. I haven't once suggested we are close to signing Modric, just that we are negotiating with Spurs.

Sydney!

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Mate anyone who reads this site on a regular basis knows that Ed002 knows what they are talking about and isnt one to mess about with speculation.

TK-Red

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13 Jun 2012 09:34:33
just to remind you all if you wanna come and see big red bob kicked to death by ryan tunnicliffe,its saturday 2pm james's park ground heywood,should be worth a laff.its a dads v sons game.
big red bob.

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13 Jun 2012 08:50:48
theres a lot of talk about jetro willems signing from psv,he looks a quality player but imo i cant see him signing,it makes more sense that sir alex is looking at someone more experienced who is around the age of baines as he is a big admirer of tyler blackett who he has big hopes for hence why i cant see willems being signed,just my opinion

phil

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There is confirmed interest in Willems mate and he is a target for the club.

Sydney!

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Again, Syd - Please define 'confirmed interest'?

T0MB0Z

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What confirmed interest?

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I appreciate willems already has a lot more 1st team experience than blackett but id much rather promote one of our own than buy willems as from what ive seen blackett isnt far off being a 1st team squad member,doesnt mean i want baines though,maybe if we got him for under 10m but not at the price everton are supposedly wanting

phil

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Confirmed interest which has been confirmed by the editor.

Sydney!

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At first I thought you meant the editor of a paper or something!

We may have had somebody scout him a few times - but I don't think that makes him a 'target'.

T0MB0Z

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If Ed002 has said their is 'confirmed interest' in a player then that generally means that the players club have been approached in one way or another. Otherwise he/she/it would just actually say that the player has been watched. I presume thats what Syd means.

TK-Red

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TK, exactly, the editor has said that Willems is a United target and expects him to move to OT.

Sydney!

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Is the editor secretly David Gill or Sir Alex?

T0MB0Z

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Goddammit. There not their. I really must pay attention when writing these things. I hope 002 is right mate. Willems looks like he could be some player.

TK-Red

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13 Jun 2012 00:14:15
Dzagoev anyone so far looks a good player with an eye for the goal

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He's looked like a good player for some time now. I think the fact that he's scored three goals however may be making him look a little better than he actually is. I'd take him at United though for £12m-ish.

T0MB0Z

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Chelsea fan his Idol Frank Lampard owner has ties with CSKA if he moves will be to chelsea

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6 months away from a bosman and being russian obvious chelsea link but where's he gonna fit in with all their other attacking mids? you know marin and that other geezer, hazard

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He will be on a free soon so wouldnt pay 10 mil for him and it wont matter about having ties with cska.
big red bob

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I can't see CSKA allowing him to go for free. If you believe the British press they're already in the process of drawing up a new contract for him. If he signs it - they'll sell him in a year or two. If not he'll go this summer.

T0MB0Z

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13 Jun 2012 00:12:41
Regarding the clubs strikers - as I've said before I really rate both Hernandez and Welbeck and have no idea why we're being linked with other strikers at similar stages of their careers. I would understand if perhaps we were being linked with top class forwards like Benzema, Higuain, etc who have proven that they have what it takes to perform season after season at the highest level - but were we to sign somebody like Lewandowski I'd be very disappointed.

Danny Welbeck is easily the best striker out of Chico, Lewandowski and himself and needs only work on his finishing. His distribution, first touch and link up play is all top notch and if he were to improve his goals/shots ratio he could be our number 9 for many years to come. When he's given time on the ball he can score some fantastic goals and if he's able to sharpen up his reactions and get those shots away a little quicker he'll easily be getting 20+ goals a season.

Chico and Lewandowski are both better goal-scorers at the moment needing roughly 4 and 5 shots per goal respectively when compared with Welbeck's 8 - but neither is particularly good at linking up with a second striker (most of the time I've seen Lewandowski play it has been as a lone striker with somebody playing just behind him) and both of their first touches can often seem clumsy.

Chico is the better finisher, has better movement than Lewandowski and has already shown that he can play at Manchester United. I'd be more understanding with people wanting us to sign Lewandowski for his proficiency if we didn't already have Chico were it not for the fact that for the most part it's based entirely on his stats rather than how he plays. Most people had not seen him play before the Euro's but those who had would know that he's only had one good season with Dortmund and looked very poor in the one which proceeded it.

SAF's 'cows' talk has never seemed more fitting. If we already had Lewandowski and Welbeck was some Brazilian starlet playing at Gremio everybody would be calling for the club to sign him up. It baffles me how some people can't see what a great player he will become and would want to jeapordise his development by signing a player who would weaken our starting 11 and diminish Welbeck's chances of playing!

Thankfully I don't believe there's any official interest in Lewandowski and can't ever see him in a red shirt. He may well develop into a world class player in a few years time - but Welbeck will always be one step ahead of him.

Thoughts?

T0MB0Z

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Fully agree with every word pal good post.

1redarmy

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Totally agree! cant believe the flack some of OUR OWN produced players get from so called fans,a little bit of patience is needed as with all young players imo Welbeck will b the ultimate CF in 1-2 seasons time!
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