Manchester United Banter Archive May 13 2013

13 May 2013 23:46:56
city show their total lack of class as usual in not allowing mankini to see out the season, I'd hate to support a club like that

13 May 2013 22:58:12
Wilfred Zaha is looking like the real deal! If he carries on with performances like that next season we may have (Not as good) but a similar mold to Ronaldo back at the club. He shows all the right qualities for a professional footballer and already I am excited to see him play a game.

The passion when he scored the first goal was unbelievable, this is what we want at United.

On other new Mancini gets the sack! Wow although he could have done better in Europe in 3 years he has done a lot for the club with a lot of money and still they get rid off him. Manchester City are all what is wrong about football today.

Atleast we can be proud that we stuck by the same man through thick and thin and now we will do the same with David Moyes.

-JakeW

Hit the nail on the head. great text mate

Richmond

13 May 2013 22:52:22
GDS, you are becoming a sane voice in a sea of insanity. It's been an odd week with some bizarre posts, good to see you keeping people in check
AJH

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Thanks mate I am trying my best, there are some strange opinions and posts on this site. It isn't up to me to 'keep people in check' and I don't want to come across like that but some people just need telling when they start talking a load of rubbish.

There are plenty of same voices on this site and people with valued opinions, a scouse friend of mine (i know, it pains me but I work with him) asked me the other day what united fans opinion was of moyes and being on this site means I could give him a good all round opinion of what people think from opinions on this site.

The regulars and new people who seem to have joined in the last week and are posting sensible opinions and posts have such valuable opinions and it is great to know what others think and join in a bit of banter, even if I don't agree sometimes. At the end of the day we all want the same thing, it just seems some people fail to celebrate what we have and always want to focus on next season.

Yesterday was one of the most emotional days of my life, I was so happy we got our trophy back and 5 minutes before kick off when everybody had their flags out singing 'champions' is a moment I will never forget and will cherish forever. I felt so lucky to be there and soak up what was an amazing party atmosphere. I bet even kloot had a smile on his face (for a second)!

I am glad 'Salford truth' has been found out to be a sad little keyboard warrior pretending to be a united fan, thanks eds for telling us so we know to ignore the drivel he posts. Also thanks to all the eds for sorting out the site in what must have been one of the busiest weeks on this site. Hope the adverts etc mean the site is better off financially now also. {Ed004's Note - Thanks GDS}

13 May 2013 22:41:14
Bye bye Mancini

Ross

13 May 2013 21:52:56
Would just like to say how amazing the Stretford end were on Sunday. I was sat close by, you lot were outstanding!

My personal favourite was "We're having a party in Fergie time!"

From the original glazer puppet, I 2nd that, I was also sat near them, fantastic atmosphere and great new songs throughout.

13 May 2013 21:44:32
Why did Rooney not join in with the celebrations when during Fergies final home game, Makes you wonder if he isn't getting on well or is finding it difficult with some people at the club? I wonder how his relationships with fellow players are and if they have any effect on his drive and motivation? Or could it have been the manager and his constantly being played in wrong position?
One does wonder

13 May 2013 21:20:44
Ed004. you said in a recent post you can see Evra going this summer? Just wondering why you think that? He's had a good season and is incredibly influential in the dressing room. and with no ready made successor at the club surely it's wise to keep him on for a few more seasons! {Ed004's Note - I don't think he will go I think it is very unlikely however, if Moyes wants Baines I can't see Evra being a squad player he would kick up a fuss}

13 May 2013 21:36:58
Zaha what an amazing finish looked very good second half for crystal palace looking forward to seeing him in a Manchester United shirt next year just hope he gets game time

13 May 2013 20:36:35
If today doesn't make Rooney change his mind, then it's defiantly time to say goodbye.

Has been a terrific player throughout the years but something went wrong, he just didn't want it anymore. His agent and him wanted more and more money and I think in a few years time he will look back and think "How stupid could I have been".

He will join a new club, preferably abroad and won't know anyone there, the lads all dancing and celebrating today just shows how much it means to all of them, they look like a proper family club.

Time to go Wayne, you have brought me many memories and I am disappointed how unprofessional you've been the last few years. But on the other hand I am sad to see you go.

Of course its sad to see the decline of a player that could have become such a great player. But:

He's disrespected the manager, the club and the fans. And not for the first time either.

We've stood by him despite his various infractions, and the whole stink of his last contract and for what?

Sub standard performances and sheer unprofessionalism of not even being able to keep his weight in check whilst on holiday.

Compare that to players like Giggs, van Persie, Ronaldo, Lampard, Vidic, all top professionals.

Its time to cut our losees, wash our hands and get rid.

13 May 2013 20:25:34
Okay so I know Rooney has been a buck of a d*ck to the club at times, but we need to get behind the lad and hope Moyes gets into his head something fergie has stressed during his time. Noone is bigger than the club! Rooney on his day is a great player, but saying that if he was to leave, who would everyone want to replace him?
Tommy! {Ed004's Note - Ronaldo or Ozil}

Tommy

What on earth do you think that Rooney needs a Ronaldo type replacement. He is not even remotely close to a Ronaldo class and I get the feeling people here have a love affair with player and completely miss what he is today compared to 3 years ago.

Both the players you have listed are miles ahead of him and most likely unattainable.

Shahram

13 May 2013 19:28:18
Hi Edds.

Do you think when David Moyes takes over he will bring his own staff? If so what's going to happen to Mike and Reme?

Thanks

Richmond {Ed004's Note - I don't know what will happen with the staff. I'm hoping Rene is kept}

Wasn't it announced yesterday that both Mike Phelan & Albert Morgan (kit man) were also to retire this summer?

I hope Moyes keeps our staff as it is, if its not broken why fix it!

Richmond

13 May 2013 18:40:33
I said yesterday that you lot can't afford Bale and that you should enjoy Young and Nani (lol) and typically you cried like lil girls, going on about how you don't want him and he went missing against Chelsea blah blah blah. He didn't go missing against you lot though did he. He destroyed you. Keep dreaming lads, maybe Anderson will come good (lmao). {Ed004's Note - Coming from a person who has been sad enough to be numerous different posters on this site such as mimicking Shappy etc, don't expect many will people will listen to your childish, petulant and bitter post}

Yes ed! Typical scouser I'd say!
Tommy!

Champions league your having a laugh!
Red dev

He destroyed us as we marched on to title number 20 whilst once again, you bottled it at the last minute and will finish 5th. I like Spurs but is is fans like you that drag their teams down. It's sad that you think a post like his is banter when we are celebrating yet another title. Saddo

Keep Bale, by the time he hits 28/29 he'll be no more than an average player as his one real strength (his pace) will have deteriorated. Now enjoy the Europa League again next season with your very average team, cock.

Brendan81

13 May 2013 19:26:19
You can't afford Bale. Who on earth is Shappy! Enjoy Young, Nani, Anderson and Moyes. I ain't bitter I was replying that you can't afford Bale, the utd replies were bitter. I enjoy winding you up. {Ed004's Note - So your IP address is lieing and you haven't posted on this site as Red Snapper, will red and Shappy etc in the past? Yeah your winding up has obviously worked because so many people have been offended by saying United can't afford Bale.}

When you don't qualify for CL again, he will leave, may not be here but he will be gone. So enjoy his last game this week and congratulations on finishing fifth.

13 May 2013 19:47:23
Ohh do I have an admirer? Lol. Wow, I pop away for the weekend and suddenly I have an imposter taking my place. Lol.

Shappy, that sounded so camp, mate :)

StevieK

13 May 2013 22:07:01
It did sound abit broke back mountian. Lol.

13 May 2013 22:11:00
You got it wrong ed, I have never posted with those names, only as Salford Truth and Stretfordender once yesterday which I don't think you showed and one post using someones name mentioning Baghdad United. You got the wrong person. {Ed004's Note - Well your IP address which records all your posts says other wise}

Haha so Salford truth isn't a united fan, who would have thought it. What an embarrassment this lad is, you ever heard of a life? You probably need to go and get one. Muppet.

You are one sad individual. as i posted back to you yesterday, you can keep bale. yes he won the double player of the year awards, but what did your team actually win? why not ask rvp what he prefers - player of the year and win nothing or win the league, be the top league debut scorer for your club, as well as the top league goal scorer in the country? i don't know what he would actually say of course, but i have a good idea what he might say. just like plenty of people on here have said, enjoy the europa league next year, and try posting on your own clubs site instead of coming onto the greatest team in the land site and hiding behind various names. you sad little man/boy. get a life!

red pedro

mu muf mufc ok!

only one saf / only one david moyes

13 May 2013 18:13:21
Fans are booing Rooney again at the parade!

So they should, he's a disgrace. I for one will be disappointed if a player who has asked for a transfer twice in 3 years is allowed to remain past this summer. doesn't matter who it is and how good a player they have been.

Brendan81

13 May 2013 17:32:09
Is this deal good? Rooney to Real Madrid while we get cash plus Di Maria. {Ed004's Note - Yes but only if we sign a Rooney replacement such as Isco, Reus, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, Ozil etc}

The same Di Maria who cost Real 20 million Euros and another 11 million in ad-ons and then has gone onto improve immensely?

He would is miles better than Zaha, Valencia and Nani. We will need 2 cm and 2 wingers. Striker left back would be additional luxury.

Shahram

13 May 2013 16:22:20
I think we've seen the last of Rooney in a united shirt. To be honest I'll miss seen him play for us but listening to SAF yesterday makes you realise how lucky these guys are to be playing for united. He gets paid £250k a week and all he's to do is play football. I'm from Ireland and our national game is amateur and if you where on one of the top county teams you would train before work and after work 5 days a week then play a match at the weekend, plus your club might want you to play for them as well in same week. These lads do this for the love of there sport. A jockey gets £150 a race and look at the dangers, soccer players are paid far too much money and it's destroying the game. I watched mike duxbury recently on mutv and he's now a school teacher as he didn't get paid the money these guys get, and he was some player. I hope some big club goes to the wall then the stupid people that agree to pay these stupid wages will realise it can't keep going on. So I really hope SAF's last job is to walk Mr Rooney to the gates and say "fu_k off you greedy boy ". Thanks for 26 amazing years Sir Alex.
Irishjohn

13 May 2013 18:19:30
I think money has already destroyed the game. Average fans priced out the game. When the prem started the top wage was about 20k a week, now look teenage kids barely even in the first team are on that. The games killing itself. As you say it'll take clubs going to the wall to make a change. Not your Portsmouth's but massive clubs.

It's a billionaire's playground.

13 May 2013 15:32:14
Hi - is there any truth to the Arteta rumour?

Thanks
Ian {Ed002's Note - I know nothing of it.}

13 May 2013 15:06:08
Eds, any legs in the rumour on a web site about a possible bid for Fabregas for 20m?
Or is it just lazy speculation on behalf of whoever came up with the story?
Rory {Ed002's Note - No idea.}

He is just today's pick. Will be a different person every day, think ill start noting them down see if they get any right.

13 May 2013 14:18:30
Wayne Rooney
Man utd career
Games played 403
Goals 197
Assists. 95

Ross

13 May 2013 12:38:22
Eds on a scale of 0-20, how impossible is it that Fabregas will be a Manchester United player next season?

0 being ridiculous when hell freezes over

20 being done deal, Arsenal fans spotted rioting in Woolwich

-5 to be really polite.

13 May 2013 12:12:14
HEY GUYS

I can't stick up for Rooney anymore last time he wanted away 95% of United fans forgave him for a couple of reasons 1: we did however at the time not had a better player at that time, it was a post CR7 time & Tevez had gone Blue, couple that with Berba just not living up to his price tag and Rooney was seen as "the main man". It had most United fans "me included freaking out". 2: when he made his U-turn in the form of a nice new deal everyone jumped on his agent and it became "clear" that Rooney was surrounded by bad agents advisors etc. Add the badly acted MUTV "I'm sorry big mistake blar blar blar" and United fans started to come round and had a figure to blame and we happily made let the excuses stick rather than admit that Rooney is money grabbing snake. The other thing that annoys me is that This was seen in the Rooney camp as player power and that he had won against SAF. This alone is madness because the legend that is SFA has booted out bigger players in the past for less but this time Rooney got what he wanted. The only reason for this is as I stated before best player at time. Now though this little outburst seems to be that he is not happy being treated like everyone else he seems to feel injustice that he is above rotation and the team needs if that's how he thinks take up golf or another solo sport because its always about the team that is the United way / SAF way. I don't understand why he is so against the idea of having to adapt his role Fact RvP is a better striker so he should pay 2nd fiddle to him in that respect. If he loved football as much as he makes out he would like anyone adapt to fit into his work place like most have to in there jobs and walks of life. So why is Wazzer different to everyone else? Simple ego the stunt he pulled last time worked but now there are other players stepping up and it would not hurt Utd that much to cut losses and let him go. It's a silly game Rooney is playing because he does not have the power he had last time and SFA/Moyes will not pander to him this much if they do is a bad signal to send throughout the team that you can have a hissy fit and it will all be okay in the end. As a life long Manchester United fan I don't want to see this rubbish going on in my club even if it does mean letting one of the best players of recent years go. In my mind he has crossed the line for possibly the last time and I hope he gets ushered out and we re invest the cash in some good needed talent in CM & CB the time of Roo should be coming to an end this Manchester United not the wags 5 a side football team.
So guys if it means shipping out rooney for the better of manchester united I would take him to the airport. I really do think he wouldn't get the same love form manchester united fans and he just needs a new challenge.

Best of luck to him he will only realise what he's lost once he's gone.

Singh

A sensible post regarding the situation at last
Invisible Stuey

Agree with you Singh, my only worry is he goes to Real to two years, then City or Chelsea buy him and he'll come back to haunt us.
I honestly think that if he's played in his best position, then he's one of the best in the world. We want to keep our best players, so I would like us to try to solve the problem, instead of giving up on him.
Nomidfield

Somethings you just csnt comtrol, and this be a case of being one. There is mo need for a jalf hearted rooney, make no mistsake if rooney is willing to change himself in football terms. then I would happily keep him at the club because he's still very talented but if he has really decided that he doesn't want to play for united. then noone is bigger then the club, in regards to himhaunting us, who knows one or two years down the line we might have a fantastic. individual banging all the goals in and at that time we woildnt be worrying too much about rooney. I am happy for rooney to go if the money we receive for him. is well spent and we grt a world. class player to replace then I don't see any reason rooney should be kept.

singh

13 May 2013 11:20:58
a web site saying falcao signing for monaco, now his odds have gone to 1/12 seems a done deal to me.

13 May 2013 11:17:39
Rooney has been a great servant to United and I am shocked that so many fans have turned on him so quickly. Just look at what he has done for your club.

He wants to play football in his position yet sees himself played in midfield or benched while incompetent players like Welbeck get the nod ahead of him. He is right not to be happy.

Your beloved Ronaldo would throw a hissy fit if he was dropped or asked to play left back.

ROSS

13 May 2013 12:15:07
ROSS, I think the issue most have is his general petulance. Not so long ago, he handed in a transfer request and questioned the club's 'ambition'. We gave him an increase in pay, and proved our ambition by continuing to sign quality players - one being Robin Van Persie, who subsequently took Rooney's place as the main pinnacle of our attack.

To review:

Rooney becomes the main-man 3 years ago, and then hands in a transfer request due to lack of 'ambition'.

or

Rooney is no longer the main man, gets rotated around as a result, and hands in a transfer request this time because he's frustrated at being left out.

In addition to this, his overall fitness has been very very poor this season. as SAF said, a fully fit Wayne Rooney would NEVER be left of out the team. Wayne Rooney is trying to once again negotiate a pay increase on what will be his final large contract of his playing career, and I'm sorry, he can take a running jump in my opinion.

WF Red Devil

Ronaldo is professional, he keeps himself fit and doesn't spend his home life drinking, smoking and eating junk food. No one is Rooney bashing, but some of us choose to not bury our heads in the sand and realise there is problems behind the scenes and we do not appreciate his lack of professionalism.

Sydney!

I am sorry but a player that grts top wages and hands in 2 transfer requests in last few years wouldn't get my support n. not that my support matters but I am sure a lot of supporters will feel the same way. there are also a lot of players that have the passion to have red shirt put on and would happily take half the wage rooneys on.

singh

Rubbish rooney has had 2 goes at ripping us off he's acting like an oaf always on the piss and whinging because he doesn't play

Suck it up son or sod off

Got to agree with Syd on this one. How often have we seen pictures of Rooney smoking on holiday. I know its not a massive problem, but if he is an "athlete" and smokes its only an insight to other things surely as in eating and drinking. Ronaldo as we know is model professional when it comes to his own body. his ego ensures that. I think the way UTD is run, means we rarely see the whole picture until someone releases an autobiography years later!

Sambo

13 May 2013 11:28:50
Sorry guys but I can't tow the line on this. Rooney is not a spiteful money grabbing care less for the club vendictive charactor

What he is is the overly sensitive insecure type who is never going to exude the confidence of a Cantona or solid as Robson. Ten years a tonne of goals and some very good football with ronaldo and ruud as partners, a genuine possibility of a talent up at least with the likes of Robben and at one time chasing the golden boot with messi. what he is is utterly a fool for forgetting easily the storm caused by his initial transfer request and going for it again. He is guilty for the stupidity of it and nothing more

all of which I think isn't the club trying to push him out or Rooney trying desperately to leave the club just Sir
Alex's attempt at getting a fighting spirit from Rooney to earn his place by leaving him out and taking him off early and unfortumately rooney didn't take the bait and took it as him being pushed out. Sir alexs face when he said he asked again for transfer said as much to me. Rooney just made a insecure stupid move but he is hardly a cold calculated devious type that warrents the amount of hate towards him. He hasn't earned legend status for sure but he has contributed to this club. I know no one will let up when hate feels so good compared to considering, but I won't add to the vitriol.

Neville is the only one I've seen talking sense so far. but he needs to raise his game. there ain't no doubt about that. if his stupidity hasn't made the chance too late. he won't be popular now, whatver the truth. He will have to earn his place and then some. and me for one hope he does.

constantine is a red

Brilliant and balanced! Good post Constantine

Deeps.

No, no, no, no! Once might be a mistake twice is taking the p*ss. If he was at the top of his game he would have had some bartering power-but please! Too many fans have had to defend his behaviour to others and now he has made us look stupid. The time to defend him is over-even SAF seemed to have given up on him.

Pablo

Agree with Constantine. We have to try and work the problem and solve it.
Rooney is one of the best in the world and we should do everything in our power to keep him.
Nomidfield {Ed004's Note - I would sell Rooney as he is declining and he showed a complete lack of respect to United recently but we need to look at a replacement such as Ozil. If reports are to be believed and Fabregas is being looked at how good a midfield would Carrick/Strootman, Fabregas and Ozil be along with Kagawa and possibly James Rodriguez out wide and RVP up top. That would surely show our intent. All those players have been looked at bar Fabregas I think}

13 May 2013 10:05:43
1st I would like to congrats Sir Alex and Scholes for the enjoyment they have given me over the years.

I believe that we need to let Rooney go David Moyes don't need a player in the team that's not 100% on it.

This is the outcome of the summer that I would love to see, in my opinion that is.

Sell Rooney for at least £35m
Sort out Nani contract or sell him
No need for Bebe or Macheda

Give Rio another year
Bring in a decent CM (Stootman)
I would love to see Ronaldo if not then one of these (Isco Di Maria Fellaini Gaitán)

Richmond

13 May 2013 09:26:38
Wayne Rooney 197 goals in 400 games

That's a better strike rate than, Ronaldo, Cantona, Cole, Sir Bobby, George Best.

Only topped by Law and RVN, who were out and out strikers.

I've posted before about my disappointment in his attitude and signs of disrespect.

After Gary Neville's speech last night I am edging towards keeping him.

I know this is unpopular, but Rooney is an ego, he wants to play every game and he needs to be in a run of games to hit his genius.

The easy thing to do is let him go, there is no way he will hit his peaks at the managerial merry go round clubs, so that doesn't worry me.

BUT if Moyes can sit him down, give him a role he's happy with, pander to him a bit, it could be like signing a new player.

The stats don't lie, and as much as it sickens me whilst I head to work on a Monday morning on 0. 1% of his wages, like Cantona before him, show him a bit of love, massage his ego and the results are great for the club.

All I got from that is that you believe Rooney is bigger than the club. - that's the impression you gave me.

He's not a genius, he's a very average playmaker, it's all he's been since 2010. Over-hyped like most of the English players and the day he goes will honestly be one of my happiest days as a United fan.

Rooney has had three seasons to "hit his genius" but hasn't looked the same player since 2009. How long will it take people to realise the best of Rooney is gone. He is still a top player, but we will not see an explosive, fit, "genius" Wayne Rooney again and his lackluster performances will get more and more regular. The question is: Is Rooney worth the money he is getting paid for the performances he is giving? Or can we bring in a player who is better in midfield and cheaper? Because if Lewandowski was signed it would be him and RvP in attack, not Rooney.

Sydney!

Rooney on his day is without doubt one of the greatest in the world and a joy to watch unfortunlately I believe these days are behind him.

This season has been beyond poor imo he looks lazy, uninterested and a professional coming into the new season x amount overweight is ridicilous - I understand having a relaxing summer you might put on several pounds but you quickly get back into business and into match fitness unfort this didn't happen.

I am on the fence at the minute - don't want to see a world class player (on his day) leave the club but to put in two transfer requests it shows he doesn't want to be here if that's the case adidos amigo.

1 more point - I don't like the massage the ego and tell him how much we love him and how good he is thing - he is on over 200k grand a week - it would take me over 10 years to generate that and he's not enjoying his football and being subbed - give me a break!

Have a look at RVP yesterday giving his all for the club giving fergie the biggest hug and showing his class - the guy has oozed class from the first minute he signed for the club - rooney could take a few notes out of his book instead of throwing the dummy out of the pram when things aren't going right.

13 May 2013 10:26:35
Yeah the best thing a manager could do when he gets the biggest job in the world is start sticking his nose up a player's ass, especially if said player is an egotistical, self centered, unfit, overweight and the definition of overrated. That ought to get him respect.

Mick

I agree with "The Moon" Rooney needs to go so we can move forward with players who wants to play for the shirt

Richmond

I AGREE WIN MOON. I keep saying over and over that stats can be deceiving. We all watch the same games and in footballing terms he has lost the hustle, his will and fitness when on the pitch for us.

I am sure there are many behind the scenes reasons for this that we are not privy to, but the reality is we can not in anyway promote a culture that players can just walk in and ask for a transfer if they are not getting what they want.

I sleep well knowing he will be gone this summer as long as we use the funds from his sale to improve the squad. I also think he will struggle after united and as Neville said last night after United there is no place to go as proven by s many players, look at Beckham, Keane, Veron etc etc.

He will unfortunately will be one of these players who will get moved on again by whoever he signs him in a couple of years.

I can't see him excelling in Spain or Germany as the level of fitness and technical ability is quite high and he will struggle. I can see him at PSG but they also seem like a City team where there is a revolving door of players coming and going.

I read Chelsea might be interested and I would sell him for 30 to 35 to them. I think where ever he goes in the PL he will struggle with the physicality of the game.

Shahram

Thats why I started the post with the stats, no one has been more disapointed than me, with his performances over the last two years.

I was even shocked to see how well he's performed against the players I mentioned Cantona, Cole etc

I honestly think at 27 there is still the opportunity for him to turn it round.

His relationship with SAF has soured and was probably unsaveable after Rooneys public criticism and contract demands and I think this has impeded his performances. lack of motivation, SAF moving him around the pitch.

This is no excuse for the player, but my original point is, maybe just maybe Moyes can clear the air (their history aside). Get Rooney back on form, the benefits could be endless.

To quote SAF "An on form Rooney, wouldn't be dropped", his natural ability is undoubtable and I stick by the "genius" point, his natural ability is second to none in prem, his actual "performance" of recent doesn't stand up to that.

If there is a chance for him to play to his ability, in his best position, as a happy player, are we willing to pass on that?

Sorry Moon

But as usual, when it comes to Rooney, you talk out of your arse! Nothing new though, just the tripe gets funny if not anything else. "Just an average play maker", "One of the happiest days as a United fan for me". Are you for real? I mean if he is so average and not worth the hype, why would it be your happiest day? Did he refuse you an autograph or a lift?

Deeps.

Syd

Lets get Lewandowski or some quality replacement signed first before we even contemplate selling him. As it is Lewandowski isent looking very likely now is it? If he goes we need a world class player signed, nothing less would do,

Deeps.

Deeps, for sure. We need a replacement in first. I do not think Lew is as likely as before and Ed002's posts are reflecting that. Will be a shame to miss out on him as he is a talented striker. United have had the chance to sign him, but it seems we have tried to get him TOO cheap. Ed002 says the four goals against RM wouldn't have changed anything, but I disagree. I doubt Chelsea would be in the mix now had he not scored them four goals. I doubt RM would be as interested either.

Sydney!

Deeps

When he goes we need a good player signed. We are getting nowhere close to world class from him and at 250,000k his cost can not be justified. That is 12.5 million pounds per year for christ sake.

I am not sure if this has been discussed but there are rumours going around that apparently the club was not prepared to start discussions on a contract extension and had indicated it would be on lower terms and from there one thing led to another and hence his transfer request.

I think people who are fans of him need to get their head around that this is about his form and attitude.

I am betting man and would bet we have seen the best of him.

Have you thought about the possibility that he might even be worse next year.

We surely can't afford to have a guy sitting on the bench earning 250k and his market value will drop to nothing with one year left on his contract.

Ask yourself the following questions:

1. Would you extend his contract this summer?

2. What do you think would be fair wages for him?

3. At 29/30 year old when his extension comes in, do you think he will be better than he is currently?

4. Do you think his ego will accept a significant lowering of his wages?


Remember Berbatov from 30 to 4 million in 4 years.


Shahram

It's not very often that I agree with what Moon writes, but this time he's spot on. Rooney has to go. Not even the most ardent fan can forgive him this time, surely?

On a separate note, I really hope DM brings Ross Barkley with him. He is going to be a massive star!

DL10

Shahram

I will answer your questions one at a time with pointers.

1. Wayne Rooney (for the last time) is not on 250, 00 p/w, he is 160,000 basic and other performance related bonus, the same as Persie is on. So he certainly can't sit on his arse and rip the club off. If he does not perform he does not get the dosh.

2. I genuinely think he did not go about handing over a transfer request. He would have discussed his role in the team and other things with Fergie and offered to leave if he was not on the clubs long term plans. Is that really bad? Rio Ferdinand talked to Kenyon in person, Keane pulled his team mates down whenever he had a chance and flirted with Juve, Ronaldo agreed with Blatter's slave comments and from 2006 to 2008 every summer flashed his knickers at Madrid. This is what modern football is and Wayne Rooney is no more a saint/devil than the once mentioned above. He has been shunted around a fair bit this season. Fair enough if he wants to have a fresh start, he should leave.

3. I will not extend his contract now, but wait for another season and see if he regains some of his form and fitness and decide.

4. Ego? I think he is thick, emotionally insecure and like a child. He does not come across as a cocky businessman. Far from it, he does stuff that isent mature.

The only reservations I had with Moon's comments and I would want you to answer them.

1) Do you think he is an average player?

2)Would it be your happiest day being a United fan, when Wayne leaves. Are you that sad?

Deeps.

Deeps, keeping Rooney for one more season then deciding whether or not to give him a new deal is dangerous and it would be plain stupid from the club. He will only have one more year left and would love to leave on a free a season later to maximise his future salary from another club. He would also love the huge signing on fee that would come with it. Selling now is the best option for the club.

Sydney!

Deeps

"Ego? I think he is thick, emotionally insecure and like a child"

That is funny and I agree.

I do think he has changed and the lifestyle and fame has gone to his head an he does not try as hard whether it is a physical thing or just can't be bothered is anyone's guess.

On another note keeping him for another season is just not an option. If his value is somewhere in the region of 25 to 30 million now, next year if he performs at current level we would be lucky to get 15 million. The total cost to us would be in the region of 25 million.

The bigger issue is I can't see how you can keep him with the new manager coming in and the risk of having a very unsettled dressing room. Look at city, Madrid, these things can be infectious.

I think the fact that fergie came out and told people about the transfer has sealed his fate and we better focus on who we will be bringing in this summer rather than getting bugged down in a protracted Wayne Rooney soap opera this summer.

Shahram

I agree with deeps. When rooney leaves and goes to Chelsea, we will realize what we have missed, and by then it will be too late. We're playing him out of position and expecting him to be the best player on the field.
People are talking about him as if he's 34. He's only 27 years old and his best years are ahead of him. If he goes elsewhere, and gets motivated and played in his preferred position, we will be the losers. Trust me on this one!
Nomidfield

13 May 2013 07:34:43
Anyone with any doubts about Moyes being appointed manager should take a look at the first goal Everton scored yesterday. pure class
as for that scouse fool Rooney well
Rooney+20 mill= Bale
TheSpartanred

13 May 2013 06:07:56
Well that was fast. So much for quality over quantity. Same fools who want Rooney out want to spend the lot on 4-5 players who don't improve our starting xi. Forget selling Rooney, worry about a CM and an elite attacker, especially if he can play on the left. -kg

Totally agree, some people are going on about selling Rooney will be a good idea as his wages will go off our bill?! What? Why not sell all the bloody players then and have no wage bill?
We want to keep our best players, and Rooney is one of them, did anyone see the way we played yesterday? We were outplayed for long periods. Our team was short of ideas.
If we sell Rooney, we have to go out and buy another big player or two, and they'll want big bucks too! There is no easy way guys, if we want the best, we have to pay the best prices and wages. Why would a selling club sell their best players to us on the cheap? Why will top players come to us for anything less than top wages?
Nomidfield

13 May 2013 02:16:36
banter please edd. who else thinks david moyes should come in and tell rooney to get stuffed there's the door?! think rooney doun this the second time and telling saf he doesn't want to play against swansea should be the last straw! when I heard he told saf that I was livid! think he should go to spain we all know they have a lot of grannies living there so he will be happy! joey

13 May 2013 00:31:07
Personally I would love to see a testimonial to fergie. A team of Fergusons best players in the past Vs Moyes current team. Well I can dream lol {Ed002's Note - He has already had one.}

12 May 2013 23:50:26
So Rooney is on his way out the old trafford door, I would like to be noble about this and wish him well and say how great a servant to our club he has been, this I just can't bring myself to to do.

The man's performances have been so far beyond sub-par it will be a miracle if we get any offer of value.
Value or not he simply has to leave, his flagrant lack of respect for our club and manager is frankly despicable. The fact that he has had the fortune to grace the old trafford turf that some of the greatest players I and you all have had the privilige of seeing in our lifetime now seems as though it means nothing to that petulant child
Sorry guys, this is the end of my rant it just seems so disrespectful to the club and to sir Alex Ferguson that the end of a football dynasty and a great man's career is being sullied by this mercenay's second attempt at bullying the club into doing his will.

As for David moyes I am thrilled by his appointment and think his first signings and handling of rooneygate will be very telling on how he handles such a huge job. I have every faith in the man and think regardless whether people think he was the right choice or not, he was to some extent hand picked by sir Alex and the board so we should give him our full backing.

And for players such as jones, van persie, kagawa, buttner, young and our outrageously talented keeper well done on your first league titles it was deserved.

Apologies for the long post.

United we Stand

Great post agree with you totally on everything especially about Rooney. I too am not bitter towards hims, but also feel the club should now grant him his wish and sell to the highest bidder. We are MUFC and we always move on.

David Moyes Red & White Army!

Red Pedro