Manchester United Banter Archive November 13 2012

13 Nov 2012 22:25:16
For a lot of people who didn't know Rodriguez has been played as a CAM a lot this season and still done great, I like to watch Porto here and there and since Hulk left Rodriguez became their stand out player.

He would be perfect for the 4-2-3-1 system, I think the line up will look like this in a two years if we got Rodriguez:

_________De Gea

_Rafael_Smalling_Jones?_Fabio?

______Cleverley__(CDM)

_Rooney____Kagawa__Rodriguez

____________RVP

To be honest that would be a great line-up, obviously Fabio may not be the future LB and the same with Jones. Rodriguez would suit this style perfectly because he can interchange with the other two CAM's.

-JakeW

A Typical 4-2-3-1 relies on inverted attacking wingers. For example check out Madris ( Ronaldo, Di maria ) and Bayern ( Robben, ribery ), who imo have perfected the 4-2-3-1, play with left footed players on the right and vice versa. Same goes for Chelsea although they rely on the fluidity of the attacking 3. Thats why i would exchange rooney and rodriguez's positions ( assuming Rodriguez is good enough on the right of course )

Mick

Was having an arguement with a liverpool fan from work.He said if you had to have a greatest mixed teama from utd & liverpool only Best would get in what a complete muppet
MY team
Schmeichel
Neville Hansen Ferdinand Irwin

Ronaldo Robson Souness Best

Charlton Law

His useless team was
Grobelaar
P neal hansen lawrenson A kennedy


Heighway Souness Gerrard Best

Dalglish Rush

No comparison

13 Nov 2012 21:40:32
What does everyone make of the possibility of Nani being sold in January, and Rodriguez coming in? If Rodriguez came in, would we able to register him in the CL?

G.A.G.U.S {Ed004's Note - I don't think we could register him but I think it would be a big signal of intent to make such a huge signing during the season. We all saw the impact RVP has made I say Rodriguez could make a similar impact. Then all we would have to do in the summer is sign a left back and centre midfielder, then possibly a centre back or another centre midfielder if funds are there}

I think we could registar him depending on how his current team do, if Porto qualify for the knock out stages then I don't think we can. But if Porto get knocked out to the europa or out all together then I think we can registar him. But don't quote me on that. Lol.

Shappy

Pinto Da Costa drive's the hardest Bargain in football he always get's maximum amount's for his Porto's player's Hulk,Falcao blocked Spurs's move for Moutinho Asking a huge fee for Jackson Martinez what we can safely say is that unless we offer at least £35 Mil we will not sign him

RED91

I don't see why it would be a problem if we couldn't play him in the CL. Saf says that he doesn't like buying people that can't play - but hed still get into the EPL and FA Cup. Signing him in Jan would help him settle down loads.

Fresh!

Im sure you can register 1 player who has already played in the comp as long as the original club is out of the competition.

Jono {Ed002's Note - Correct.}

Porto are already through though so the current rule is irrelevant.

January still seems so far away. Is there nowhere we can send him with a transfer window open before then??

StevieK

ps. just being flippant people, before I get Percy and his mob coming on here getting all medieval on my ass...

13 Nov 2012 21:38:19
Bored of Rooney debates.

If you could swap 3 players (max 1 per club) into our first 11 from any if our rivals who would you take?

My team would look like this:

___________DDG
Raf_____Small__Vidic____BAINES
____Clevs__SANDRO__WILSHIRE
__Rooney__Hernandez__RVP

Wouldn't take anyone from City, personal preference.

Oscar was a close 4th, he looks incredible.

Thoughts?

DodgyBanter {Ed004's Note - I would say Baines, Wilshere and Hazard. Playing a 4231 formation with Kagawa out left and Hazard out wide}

Toure
hazard
bale

de gea
rafael smalling vidic evra
toure anderson
hazard kagawa bale
RVP

Nice change of topic!

__________DDG_________
Rafael_Sm'ing_Vidic_BAINES
_______YAYA_Clev_____
MATA___Rooney___Kagawa
_________Rvp__________

Gav

I'd take Oscar over Hazard Ed.

DodgyBanter {Ed004's Note - Thinking on it more I would take Mata over both of them haha}

YAYA, Hazard, Bale?
Ouch, no thanks... Bale over rated, Hazard not as good as Oscar or Mata, YaYa is a mercenary... He'll be off soon to some where sunny... Laughing all the way to the bank.

DodgyBanter

Yaya, cazorla, Baines.

De gea
rafael vidic smalling evra
toure diaby
rooney kagawa mata
rvp

We do know this: under Kenny, liverpool had 100 million to answer this very question. their answer was: Henderson, Downing, and Carroll.

I'd take Cazorla, Yaya, and Baines

Windy City Red

Mata, Toure and Baines

Mick

Yaya to give us that long-yearned for replacement for keane.

hazard for his creativity. i think the young fella could turn out to be really special.

kompany, despite a sluggish start to this season, is a beast of a defender who can also play a bit.

ddg

rafael kompany vidic evra

yaya

kagawa hazard ando

rooney rvp

we'd let in plenty, but who cares when you score more.

honourary mentions to cech, baines, silva, wilshere and mata.

steviek

Id have Baines Silva Hazard

Matta, Silva, Aguero.

Shahram

13 Nov 2012 20:43:51
Been having a disscussion at work today, who would be in your all time United 11. Mine line up like this:

____________Schmicheal
Neville__Ferdinand__Vidic__Irwin
__________Robson__Scholes
_____Best___Cantona___Ronaldo
_______________RVN

I think this line up in modern football would be awesome, although there may be a fight over the number 7 shirt. Lol.

Who would be in your all time great United 11?

Shappy

Same back4
-------------robson_____kean----------
__best__________scholes_____ronaldo
_____________RVp_________________

But how can you leave law and charlton
Out
Jred

Replace stam for ferdinand, keane for robson,
edwards for ronaldo and charlton for rvn.
subs would have to be; vds, ferdinand, giggs, law, ronaldo, bruce and robson.
tough question though.
sparky

Take cantona out and put in sir bobby :)

Caolán.

Shappy, no Charlton or Law? No Edwards?

AJH

Not this again lol...

JK92

_______Schmicheal
Neville_Ferdinand_Vidic_Evra
______Scholes_Keane
___Best_Cantona_Ronaldo
_________Rooney

Percy

Percy

Where's Nani? ;)

G.A.G.U.S

13 Nov 2012 21:58:25
Hold the phone Percy didn't put Nani in his team. Lol.

I didn't put Law Charlton or Edwards in the team as I never saw them play, I know i've put Best in but he was probably one of the best players ever(up there with Pele, Maradona, Eusabio ect).

I didn't put Stam in due to the way Rio and Vidic have that almost telepathic understanding which makes them stronger together then they could be paired with another more talented centre back.

It was tough leaving Keane out but his temprament could be a liability some times. Robson was a better all round football player who also lead my example.

I went with Ruud up top because he was probably the best finisher we've ever had at the club. And his goal record speaks for itself. He could also hold the ball up and lead the line. Maybe in a few years time Robin could take his place, but only two months into his united career it would be insulting to all our previous strikers to put him in yet.

Cantona was chosen over Rooney for the impact he had at the club and on his team mates.

But like I said it'd be interesting to see who would have got the number 7 in that team. Lol.

Shappy

Good one G.A.G.U.S, come up with that all by yourself?

Percy

I agree with your lineup shappy, i just havent seen enough of robson to put him ahead of Keane. He was just as influencial as a captin and dragged us through difficult times, but from a footballing perspective is he better than Keane?

Mick

Schmeicel
Neville Ferdinand Vidic Irwin
Ronaldo Scholes Keane Giggs
Cantona Rooney

14 Nov 2012 05:01:52
its shocking not 1of u hav steve bruce or gary pallister in there
i think borh were amazing

vishu red devil

Mick, i'd say so. Robson had a better touch better passing, more clinical infront of goal and was the cleaner tackler. Keane was wild at times, Robson was always controlled and in the modern game you can't get away with being wild.

Bruce and Pallister only just missed out.

Shappy

Schmeichel
Neville Stam Ferdinand Irwin

Ronaldo Robson Keane Best

Charlton

Law

Subs Vidic Giggs Keane Scholes Cantona Rvn

I didnt pick Big Duncan because he wasnt around long enough if he had he would of been first pick im sure

Blackpool Red

Amazed so many haven't picked Giggsy! One of our greatest ever players.

Anyway, I'm only 19, so could only pick from about '99 onwards based on who I've actually seen in my lifetime. It annoys me when people my age come on here and tell us all how good Sir Bobby was or George Best. You don't know as you didn't see them. No mattee how much you wish you did. DVDs or videos aint enough either they only show the good bits!

So I'd go for this...

Van der Sar

Neville Ferdinand Vidic Evra

Beckham Keane Scholes Giggs

Rooney Ronaldo


SC93

Best team would be:

Nani

Nani Nani Nani Nani

Nani Nani Nani

Nani Nani Nani

Percy

13 Nov 2012 20:01:31
Its very annoying with this whole rooney debate.What sort of fans are you lot whom want your best player to be sold because when he is 30 there won't be value for money.Must you sell your best player because you want value for money.Rooney has giving us more money revenue than united has giving him.Is not as if he is sold,the money will be giving to you ignorant fans who want him sold.Who says when he is 30 yrs,he can still perform in the highest level.Drogba did,Rpv is older than him and he is still performing.the older a player gets,the more improve he becomes,van persie is an example.Each year rooney gets more goals tally for us,he has not scored lots because the season just started and he is being played out of position.How many top striker in the world even falcao would be happy to be played out of position or left wing?the anwser is none.Even falcao will not get goals return if he plays cm or left wing.rooney never complains about where he has being played,rather all he says is that he is more concern about the team winning and not personal goals.please give him a break and shut up you fake fans who moan about your players.please eds pls post my comments and don't be biase about posting anyone's comment.I know you guys are doing a great work here.thanks for your understanding

Really Angry with this crazy fans
Andy P

Disagreeing with someone does not make them fake. You love him, fair enough. Others don't, deal with it.

AJH

Ajh if you don't like him,then stop commenting stupid post about him everytime.there is a saying that a person must have something special and unique if he is being critizise.so rooney is special.why don't you stop being a fan and finding faults in players,leave your job,lace a boot on,go to the field or stadium,train,become a footballer,then perform close to rooney and then you can come back and post your rediculous comments,then I will back you up

Andy P

Andy

He showed up f...ing 10 kg overweight after sitting on the bench at the Euros and partying up in LA and was rubbish and an embarrassment to himself as a professional and SAF pretty much said it publicly.

If your occupation is a footballer and you make a living from it ,how hard could it be to get up in the morning and go for a run for 45 minutes.

They are hired to perform in case you forgot that one and at 30 if there is more value to sell him than his contribution to the team and the club then you sell him.

Given how we lost the league last year, you would think he should be so hurt/motivated that he would make a point of putting in the extra work in the offseason and show up as the best Rooney ever but he ls not made of that mold.



Shahram

Shahram
Where would we off been last year with out him

No Name, I honestly don't want to get into another one of these debates. I posted earlier that the fans have a very polarized view on him.


Shahram

13 Nov 2012 18:49:57
Guys i wanted to clarify something here as it is obvious we have a very polarized view when it comes to Wayne Rooney.

I am not advocating selling Wayne Rooney, however the whole thing was about, say we only have 35 million to spend this summer which would never suffice to buy all the pieces LB,2 CM,LW.

I have a view we have seen the best of him and if we could get 50-55 million for him(highly unlikely) I firmly believe we will be a better team with 90 million of funds that we can use to buy the above positions and letting Rooney go.

Our midfield alone needs somewhere in the region of 55 to 60 million investment.

The other thing most people don't even mention here is that teams like chelsea and City will get a lot better over the next 2 years as they have most of the pieces needed to seriously make a run and trophies domestically and in Europe.

Shahram

I think the whole thing was more about him only having 2 years on his deal this summer
Did selling ronnie help improve the team

Thats what it all boils down to, his contract situation.

Will he sign a new one if its offered to him?

Will we offer one?

You're right no-name, selling Ronaldo most certainly didn't improve the team. But then he was and still is, a truly world-class talent who could never be replaced. Whereas Rooney......

StevieK

13 Nov 2012 19:13:39
Hey ED'S any truth behind this.....

Young Joshua William Spence 17 born in London who currently plays for QPR turned down Man Utd last year in favour of a move to QPR.. He was previously at Crystal Palace he came up to Manchester To meet fergie but decided to join QPR but Im hearing he will join United once he is 18.... He is a lifelong Man Utd fan according to his parents and that has always been his dream to play for Man Utd any truth behind the rumours i heard he is the next Rooney he has played for the England U-16 in the Victory Shield and now plays for England u-18 {Ed004's Note - I have no idea who he is sorry}

Is ed001 around, he would probably know?

DodgyBanter {Ed001's Note - I am quite certain this is nonsense, based on the fact his dad has been openly posting about him and getting into the QPR academy here: http://theracingoracle.maxforum.org/2012/04/28/peters-magical-football-insights/
He even posts up the email the lad got from QPR accepting him to the academy in July.}

13 Nov 2012 15:27:40
.....he runs his socks off hes a leader and in my eyes should be captain

Ross

I've stayed out of the whole Rooney debate, because some people will think I'm naturally biased against the guy because of his previous misdemeanours.

However, I can't let the above statement pass mate without comment.

While I can accept that the self-styled 'big man' has made a decent contribution to the team this season, I am gutted that some people out there can even think he should ever get anywhere near the captain's armband of our beloved club.

The guy basically wiped his arse with the shirt, and stuck the middle finger up at us fans when he blackmailed us with his contract antics not that long ago, under the guise of 'wanting the team improved', and yet people think he should be repaid by being given the same honour as real legends like Charlton, Robbo, Keane etc.

Ideally I wouldn't have him anywhere near the team after that, but I also understand the harsh realities of modern football, and that his presence is required for now. But the captaincy? Do me a favour.

Unless we're saying that disloyalty and crassness are now a pre-requisite for the job......


StevieK

StevieK, I do find myself agreeing with you on most things...

AJH

Abosolute nonsense...and you mention Roy Keane who basically had a go at the United Fans The Prawn Sandwich Brigade and belittled the players who were playing in that team saying they were not good enough. Great player but if he was made out of Chocolate he would eat himself he's so far up his own arse it's untrue!

StevieK

Your Argument on here is floored because you use Keane as a captains legend, which whilst I agree he is, in 1999 his contract was up by summer 2000 and he wanted united to break the wage structure they had at the time for him! He was free to talk to others and United ended up giving him the contract he wanted. He also publically criticised United players and the fans later on in his career for not being up to standard, is this not kind of what Rooney was questioning?

I don't hold this against Keane as his performances and effort when he wore the red shirt was second to none and for this reason, I don't hold anything against Rooney, he has openly admitted he was wrong and apologised. Rooney is our catalyst and talisman, same as Keane, Cantona before him, unfortunately he was poorly advised by his agent! Sounds familiar to young Pogba but I bet you defend Pogba and blame SAF and united for that situation!

Unfortunately some people don't know what they've got until it's gone and I hope Rooney stays for a lot longer and is given the captaincy because if we were to sell him, he would probably come back to haunt us! And I bet if we were to sell him, the people who have suggested that wouldn't't want him at City, Chelsea or Arsenal because they know how good he is!

Ports

Yes, because the atmosphere at OT over the last lot of years has been absolutely stirring hasn't it!

Keane made that comment because he wanted the fans to start remembering why they started supporting our team to begin with, and to try and lift the team. Rooney's actions were totally selfish and for the potential betterment of Wayne Rooney.

StevieK

Stevie

Hey mate, were you refering to me when you talked about "some people" Haha.

I am sorry you already have your negative blinkerz on the moment you say, "the self styled big man"! Can we just have a plain and simple discussion on what he brings to the team and not about his lifestyle and other theatricz. I am sorry Keanohh the legend arm twisted our beloved club to get a better deal. Having SAF's backing makes it a good thing to do? Just because the Rooney stuff was egg on face (apparently) for SAF, makes him a pantomine villain? Sorry mate, if Roy was our captain, Rooney certainly can be. Stevie mate, trust me everyone does it. Even Dimitar, who had a magnificent public image apparently held out for a better payday. Nani has been stalling on his, u say u can never doubt Nani's commitment to the cause. Why o Why does Wayne get a rough deal? I am not even sure if the entire thing was not made up with Sir Alex's go ahead? May be Just May be.

Deeps...

The same kean who was off to juve unless we broke our wage structure to keep him

Well put ports
Jred

Yes players ask for more money or maybe different experiences. I understand how modern football works, fair enough. Keane thought about it too.

Rooney though didn't even have the balls to admit these reasons - good guy that he was, he was simply wanting to improve the team! What a martyr! Preparing to possibly sacrifice his career at Utd, just to improve our lot!

He then admitted he was stupid, but not stupid enough to demand a massive wage increase as a condition of him deigning to stay with us.

It was the whole unseemly manner in which he conducted himself through the process that I have the problem with, not the actual looking to move elsewhere.

If someone wants to move for more money, or better career options, then fair enough. I'll bitch and moan like everyone else about the player, but as long as they conduct themselves through the process with a bit of class and respect for the club, then I'll get over it eventually.

However, if they seek to lie about their real reasons for wanting to move, insult the intelligence of most of our fans, give bogus apologies for their behaviour, bend the club over a table and attempt to shaft it up the backside, then I will not forgive, and I will definitely not agree with them holding the honour of captaining our club.

StevieK

I have read that breaking the old wage structure has allowed players other than Rooney to benefit. So maybe just maybe it wasn't all him I should probably post this on the conspiracy page because some of you are just out to hate him. Deeps I totally agree with you and Stevie I knew you couldn't resist commenting because you hate him. Unless you are all on the board over at United with KLOOT (who knows all) you can't say what is truth and what is a smokescreen. So keep watching games waiting for mistakes so you can come on here and slate him as overrated or past it while he is playing a position that's not his own. Think the ideal situation is to sort the mid and allow Kagawa to play in behind both Rooney and Van Persie with Chicharito on as an impact sub but he should start a few games so rotate them all. Haters gonna hate right

Darren-Bermuda

And Ports, I would NEVER back some upstart youngster over the boss, so don't presume to know what I think or believe please.

StevieK

Deeps - don't be so paranoid mate :)

Derren - I don't hate anybody, well...maybe...Hitler, or the IRA, or other bad people, but hate a footballer? No mate, I'm not a hater - dislike certainly, but not hate.

And this debate has being going on, on and off, for weeks and weeks, and I've held my tongue and managed to resist commenting, because as long as the lad is trying his best and putting in a shift when wearing the shirt, I'll give him and any other player my full support.

But when he is mentioned as a future captain, then sorry, but I'll say my piece to try and remind people why he should never have that honour.

Also, a lot of people picking up on my Keane comment, rather than actually giving impassioned defences of Rooney being a captain. I think a lot of supporters, hand on heart, don't feel comfortable with the prospect.

StevieK

ps I have never said we SHOULD sell Rooney.

Stevie

Tell me how many modern day footballers are angels/fairies/saints/selfless? You expect a player to really come up and say that he did all this for the money(i am not even saying that was Rooney's sole motive). Please correct me if i am wrong, did Keanohh come out to say that he did it for the money? or do u think he was a better human being than Rooney and only had the best interests of United in his mind while he did this? Players will always say, "I did this because i wanted better players to come in". May be its an excuse, may be true. But how do you zero down on that? And you say you dont accept his apology? That is where you are a little stuck up with the past. Honestly what do you want the guy to do? The sad bit is, we give RVP our new hero the benefit of doubt when he is on the same basic wages as Rooney, saying he left Arsenal because "the clubs direction" was poor. Someone who has been playing his heart out for the last 10 years for United, unfortunately dosent get the nod. And i think neither of them were wrong, nor was Roy. I am sure you remember the CL 2nd leg Q/F vs Munich... Rooney came back from his ankle injury in a fortnight, even when he wasnt 60% fit. Yes mate, he did it for United. And limped off midway. It would help if we stop expecting our players to be flawless human beings. With everyone talking about it, 80% of us would have fecked off with the dosh if we were in his shoes. I dont know where does the moral high ground come from?

Deeps...

Rooney and moral high ground mentioned in the same sentence? Perleeze...don't get me started as Ed probably wouldn't print it. My issues are less to do with his playing ability, much more to do with his character and behaviour.

AJH

AJH, you are a good judge of character :)

Nice to see it's not just me against the rest of them!

StevieK

AJH

Stop jumping to conclusions mate. If you read the post carefully, i said, i dont think any of the modern day footballers can cite moral high ground as a reason to justify their act.

Mate you dont like Rooney, there are others who absolutely love what he has done for the club. I think you need to deal with it :) . I respect your opinions, wont be fun if all of us had similar view. But yeah mate, please read the post.

Deeps...

Rooney plays like a captain, here and now.
I think he would play even better as captain.

DodgyBanter

Deeps, fair point mate. Tbh I struggle with the behaviour and demeanour of so many players across air of teams. Maybe I'm just old fashioned

AJH

13 Nov 2012 14:59:40
Not sure where all this Rooney leaving talk has come from. Personally, the only player I'd swap him for is Ronaldo. I'd be happy with that as I think Kagawa could replace Rooney in the team. We could then play RVP up top, Ronaldo + Valencia on the wings with Kagawa behind RVP. If we could then buy Vidal that would be great.

But this will not happen, ever.

Fresh!

Messi?

DodgyBanter

13 Nov 2012 13:41:38
Sell Nani! Bring in Rodriguez!

Bring in Sergio Ramos and Howedes to replace Ferdinand who will leave for West Ham at end of Season and Vidic who is too injury prone just now. Need good experience in the defence. I also think Fellaini would do fantastic in midfield. He would be a good signing since Giggs and Scholes will soon retire and Anderson is not at a standard which he was expected to be at.

Who agrees?

On FIFA? Or real life?

Is there a computer games forum for 'Who agrees' to go to?

GDS

No! Nani is brill, I love Nani, he's our best player, he's the best player in the world.

Percy

FYI, that post above mine isn't me, frankly the use of "brill" is disgusting.

Percy

13 Nov 2012 11:22:09
Juventus have dropped Pogba because of his bad timekeeping ! Another Ballotelli in the making .

Who? Get over it.

GDS

He has apologized to the club and now he maybe called up to the France team. You guys are trying to make it seem that we are better off without him, who are you kidding. If we had him we wouldn't be thinking about spending 20m on a midfielder.

13 Nov 2012 10:28:14
just read that arsenal where willing to let frimprong go
at the right does any one think that he could do a job for us in midfield

quie1989

I cant see why we would want him if arsenal dont think hes good enough,from what ive seen of him he just runs around like a headless chicken and likes a crunching tackle,we have tunners who looks a better prospect to me.

phil

Frimpong is shocking.

Sydney!

Was just wondering because everyone keeps sayin we need more grit in midfield as for tunners i cant see him making it at united

I didnt say tunners would make it at utd but hes a better prospect than frimpong,there would be 100's of other players considered before fergie even thought of frimpong.

phil

Neither good enough and will end up playing for a lower table team.

Shahram

This isn't the Liverpool site ...

19-20 MUFC

13 Nov 2012 07:48:41
Syd your normally good at this, if we sold rooney for 40 mill after tax etc how much would the club actualy bank

Ed002, is the master at this sort of thing, but I think the buying club would pay the tax in most cases. Rooney maybe entitled to 5% of the fee, but sometimes the buying club would even have to pay that. It's all a matter of negotiation.

Sydney!

13 Nov 2012 04:15:43
Further down the page i think Jred asked why would someone pay 50mil for Rooney if he has lost his blistering pace that made him special.

The answer is simple. And it is the same as why many on here think Wayne Rooney is world class. Its simply the name Wayne Rooney, that brand of player that will cost that much to buy. The marketing aspect and simply making a statement of having bought Wayne Rooney is what will make someone pay that much for him.

I don't think anybody is suggesting Wayne Rooney is a terrible player, the no names that do are just scousers. What most people are saying is that we play Rooney behind the main striker, in the hole and that there are better players out there for that position, that create more, give the ball away a lot less, have the same amount of workrate and are younger. Some of us also expect a better return for the amount of money that he gets paid per week.

REDFAITH

Redfaith
Great example of cows and fields.
If rooney played for another team you would be quite happy if we bought him.

Maybe psg or anzi would like to buy rooney for a statement but the likes of munich real etc would only spend 50 mill on a player if they thought he was worth it.

Tell which young players out there could handle being the main man at united could be top scorer in the league last season, top scorer for united year after year.
Could of been played out of position this season been injured and still come up with 8 assists.
How do you think kagawa has played so far
Jred

Someone would pay £50 million (not that I am a fan of selling him) and I dont care what his pace is. Just look at it, Torres lost his pace (£50 mil) and Andy Carol has NO pace (£35 mill).

Rooney is world class, and it is rare to find a player that works so hard anymore.

I am not a fan of selling him but if the club does, I trust SAF has plans for the money.
ussoldier77

Rooney and Rooney's name and brand would be worth £45m-£50m no problem. Especially at 27 years old. RvP went for £27m at 29 and his brand name isn't anywhere near Rooney's. Rooney has lost his burst of pace, but I still think he has a lot to offer us or any other club. We could offer him a new deal between now and the summer and he could accept, but personally I think this maybe his final season at the club. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ashley Cole and Rooney join PSG in the summer.

Sydney!

Kagawa considering its his first season and we don't play to his strengths has played well. Not been "great", but not been bad either. With a better left winger we could bring him more into the game.

If Rooney played for another team, i don't think i would want to sign him right now, especially for what he would cost.

As for somebody playing in Rooney's position that we could buy, i think Muniain/Isco would be an excellent choice.

Rooney got the goals that he did last season because he was the main man i agree. Whatever that the team produced creatively he was the focal point of it. This season it will be RVP.

I am not saying we SHOULD sell him, merely saying that if we did and brought in a couple of players we could potentially be a better team which retains the ball better higher up the pitch.

Maybe its just me expecting something a lot better from our main man and being nostalgic about what he could do a few years ago.

REDFAITH

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My point is , some people will slag rooney of saying his lost his pace his finished and in the same breath say we should sell for 55 mill
Jred

What are you talking about redfaith if rooney was at any other club he would be playing striker not left back left wing cm or anywhere bloody else give the lad some cred he runs his socks off hes a leader and in my eyes should be captain

Ross

Redfaith
What happens if rvp gets injured
Why not buy a couple of players with out selling one of our best
Syd
A lots been made of rooneys wage but I would imagine brand rooney brings in more than any other player we have.

Just to be clear I'm not saying rooney wouldn't sell for 50 mill , I just question how some people can slag him off and then suggest we sell him for 50 mill
Jred

Jred, I see what you are saying, but people saying he has lost his pace isn't slagging him off, that is their opinion and IMO it's a fact. Rooney was much faster in his hay day. Some players break through at 17 and some at 24, but usually a player will have a prime of no more than ten years.

Rooney in the summer would sell for £30m-£35m for his talent alone, but add that to his brand cost and the club would probably get £50m for him. Although Rooney at 22 would have been worth £50m for his talent alone. What to you envisage for the summer Jred? Do you think he will be offered an acceptable deal? Or will the manager cash in and finish off our transition with the proceeds?

Sydney!

Syd
I think fergy has bought rvp to play with rooney
I don't think we need to sell to buy
I don't think its fergys style to sell such a good player at the age of 27 just to cash in.
I think fergy will try to build a team by keeping his best players.
Imo he will be happy with his front line he will look to add a cm and lb and prob replace nani.
Imo vidic and ferdy will be at the club next year plus smalling jones and evans so we should be ok at cb(as long as vidic comes back ok)
That's maybe not what I would like but that's what I expect
Jred