Manchester United Banter Archive October 13 2012

13 Oct 2012 19:58:20
Gareth Bale is an excellent player and in a couple of years will be world class. He single handedly gave Wales victory last night. What a player. I guess this puts to rest all the 'Bale is overrated' chants.

He is overrated, but he is still good. Every British player is overrated due to the media.

-JakeW

EVERY British player is over rated. Slight (ironic) sweeping generalisation there?

DodgyBanter

A couple of goals against Scotland and that is supposed to put the matter to rest? Do me a favour Gareth.

TK-Red

It was Scotland!

Oh dear, are you seriously going to try and settle the debate on bale by a match against Scotland? I've heard it all now.

He is majorly overated and incredibly inconsistent.

Oi!

Cheeky bas**rds!

You'll find it's a very good gauge of a top player if he can score v us! Last lime we played you guys how many did you score again?!

;-)

Jono

Whys that then? Because of a 25 yard screamer that has more chance of going into row z than the net and a dive for a pen?? so in short no! bale is overated only in the sense he is a worldclass player, he is just a very good player with the ability to turn into a worldclass player, but he has to leave spurs to progress to that level.
Chris the REDman

13 Oct 2012 18:42:39
This page does get very boring during international breaks. Anyone would think its either the Liverpool page, or a page for a World XI LOL.

Fresh!

How's about best ever left footed world 11?

DodgyBanter

___________Casillas
__Vermaelan_Vertonghen_Samuel
Bale____________________Marcelo
____Silva___Strootman__Mata
_____________Ozil
_______RVP________Messi

Bench: Podolski, Cambiasso, Cole, VDV, Cech, Robben

TK-Red

I should note that isn't the best EVER 11 obviously. I just saw left footed 11.

TK-Red

Right dodgy banter doing my best here as I'm not that old
Casallis (spelling)
Alba puyol cole
Di Maria ozil giggs silva bale
Messi and rvp
Best I could do more of modern day team!

Caolán.

I also seem to have decided that football is a 12 man sport. D'Oh, I'll get myself to bed shall I.

TK-Red

Lol TK - I thought that team looked good!

Not sure about that midfield CaolaÃin... Ozil Giggs and Silva might just get over run by YaYa Dembele and co ;)

Best EVER attempt:

____________Cassilas
____Chivu___Agger ___Maldini
Di Maria__Robson__Davids__Giggs
______Maradona____Messi
____________RVP

DodgyBanter

Agger? Are you danish by any chance? Agger is average at best.

Sydney!

Na... I was struggling for another lefty centre back... Chose Agger over Vermaelen and Vertongen.

Might change him for Yohan Cryuff - total football ;)

What was I thinking?! Heinze or Silvestre in there prime would be better :)

DodgyBanter

Vermaelen, Vertonghen or Walter Samuel would all play ahead of Agger IMO.

Sydney!

13 Oct 2012 15:49:17
If England had beaten an average team 5 - 0 last night then I would have been impressed but they were playing against the worst team in world football who made England and all their supposedly world class players look very pedestrian. I think last night highlighted exactly why United frustrate so much. There was plenty of tippy tappy but no cutting edge. No body wanted to run past a player. Sydney compared Cleverly to Scholes last night which is still making me laugh hours after reading it. I sometimes read your defence of the Glazers and think you must be on drugs but to compare Tom C to Scholes is definite proof. Not fit to lace the great mans boots. Pogba and Morrison where far better tallents and you know that. I AM KLOOT

Hard to take anything from the game last night , san marino really are that bad
jred

13 Oct 2012 17:07:05
Kloot, ur posts are always laced with sentiments. We all know cleverley is nt beta than the ginger prince but i would pick cleverley over pogba and morrison.

Klooty boy - your hatred does you down - Sydney made some good points - and you come up again and again with that old trope of Sydney and the Glazers.

Cleverley is an exciting talent - whether he gets close to the standard of Paul Scholes (but who can) will not be known for some time - and lets face Paul Scholes wasn't the standard of Paul Scholes when he started. But still he is an exciting player - he is OUR exciting player. Sometimes I think you would rather see the likes of Cleverley and indeed our team fail - just so you can have the satisfaction of whining on about the Glazers; and that doesn't mean that you don't have valid criticisms of them.

As to Pogba ( I think 002 explained that) and Morrison - talent - maybe - but utterly worthless without the right application and attitude.

Mike

He played well but he is no Scholes. As for Morrison, he is wasting his talent and Pogba clearly had another agenda.

For TC to be compared to Scholed or many other United players he needs to get picked regularly and deliver consistently.

AJH

It doesn't matter how good the players are when San Marino stick 11 players in the penalty area. There was no cutting edge because there was no room in the final third. I compared Cleverley NOW in his first United season to a YOUNG Scholes. Not a fully developed Scholes in his prime. Drugs or no drugs I would never defend the Glazers. I deal in facts and facts remain that we have spent £130m (net) since 2010. Like I said FACTS and if you want to put a little spin on it so it makes your argument sound better then go ahead, but the manager has had a minimum of £130m (net) to spend since the summer of 2010.

Pogba is a better player than Cleverley, but a completely different type of player. In fact he should be playing beside him instead of Carrick, but he moved on. Ravel has proved this week that he will never make it as a Football player. The lad is a cretin nothing more, nothing less. But we are kind of moving off the point here and that is that you have decided that Cleverley will never be good enough after just 20 England and United appearances. Fine, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I am surprised that a United fan who blabs about Sir Matt every half an hour and what he did for the youth academy is criticising a product of Manchester United's academy before he has had a fair crack, especially when he has been good all season.

Sydney!

Agree,don't get all the hype about Cleverley,very average player.

Red Daz.

Cleverly and Welbeck worst 2 England players last 10 years, if these are the future god help are national team.

Couldn't agree more Jred, I just found it amusing how a United fan would criticise a United player after a very good England performance against a dreadful team. You can only play the team that is in front of you. Do you think the fact San Marino are a poor side is a good enough reason to crititcise Cleverley? Especially when he played very well. Baffling.

Sydney!

Typical comment from a spoilt football fan. We win 5-0, could of been 6, 7, 8 or 9 and "fans" come on saying, well it's only San Marino, the worst team in the world! Had it of been 1 or 2 nil, then these "fans" shout out how bad we are and just not good enough!

These "fans" are the ones who failed in football and bitter about it so they want the teams they allegedly support to fail so they can harp on about how they would do this and that and that's how it's done!

Be nice if for once, praise could be given when their team wins and a young man had success rather then point out the negatives!

Ports

Syd
at the end of the day he played well so you cant criticise him.
but at the same time san marino are that bad that a good performance also means nothing. I know that sounds a bit critical but i thinks its hard to take anything from that game.
That said he did play well and deserves credit because if he had a poor game he would of got slated.
jred

Exactly Jred that is my point. San Marino are poor so there is no need to blow Clevz trumpet so to speak, but to criticise him for having a good game is very petty IMO. It's not his fault San Marino are shockingly poor and he had a very good game anyhow so it was strange to come on here and see a United fan criticise him for playing well. That's all I was saying.

Sydney!

I think the poster was right about Kloot, seems he jus wants to see united fail so he can blame the glazers, Cleverley is a fine player, nobody is sayin he's as good as scholes because no one is, but u should at least get behind him, it's not like he's playing badly is it? Sydney is right about the glazers tho, however much there taking out the club they are allowing us to spend, it's not their fault fergie won't buy a midfielder! We've spent over £100 million in the past 2 years, I fink most clubs would b happy with that? Stop blabbing on n just support the club.
Love united n love everything about them!

Big Mac

Cleverley is a good player but nowhere near where Scholes has been or where Scholes was at the same age. I think the question that needs answering is what does Tom excel at. He doesn't play well in a midfield two with two wide players but is better when we have more in central midfield. Is he a natural goal scoring midfielder or one that controls games? Not from what we have seen so far. From observation he moves the ball around well with short passing, has energy and will have a part to play whilst we play the style we are at the moment. Is he going to win the ballon dor or be player of the year? Probably not but he needs to find his niche in the team. He has a part to play but people need to be realistic about his level and what he will achieve. If we go back to two wide players then he may not play but his quick movement and passing would suit what we are playing now, however I wonder if he can play in the same team as Kagawa.

When he wears the shirt he should have our support but the next Zidane or Keane he is not.

Red Man

Red Man, I am not sure anyone believes he will reach the heights of Scholes, but he should be given the opportunity to put his own stamp on the team. He may turn out to be a great player or he may remain a very useful player to have amongst the squad, but whatever happens he should be given the time and support from the United fans. Criticising him when he has been nothing but impressive is petulance. We all know Kloot's main issue with Cleverley is his new TC23 brand.

Sydney!

I think cleverly is a good player and it is not fair to put him down because you have to take what the game gives you and sometimes it does mean passing sideways. No point in trying a forward pass that is not there and lose possession. It also helps if you have people upfront that are making themselves available, which sometimes our forwards don't as they can be very stationary.

The other thing that i have noticed is that a lot of times our forwards have their back to the gaol when they receive a pass and instead of turning and taking on a defender they pass it right back.

He is no Scholes as in his prime he was the best midfielder in the world and that sort of expectation is not fair on the boy. I think he will get better if we buy a supporting cast in midfield that allows him to take more chances.

BTW saw a rerun f the Belgium/Serbia game and Dembele was excellent. I think we definitely missed out on a high quality player there and wish we had conjured up the funds to get him. I also think Chelsea have a gem of goalie in the Belgium keeper and he will be one of the best in a few years.

Shahram

Shahram, exactly my friend, stick a defensive midfielder next to or behind Cleverley and he will naturally have more license to take more risks. A very good point.

Sydney!

Shahram

We didn't miss out on Dembele, we bid a pathetic amount and were rightly laughed at.

If SAF was serious about bolstering our CM our low bids this summer would have been far more realistic.

Jono

Syd with someone like Jones sitting behind him and a Dembele type player along side him and two quick cb i.e Smalling and other, I think he would shine as he can be a lot more positive and even if he gives away possession, there will be cover.

I really think at the moment the reason we play a lot of sideway stuff is when we give away possession, players like carrick and scholes do not have the legs or pace to go track back a counter and it leaves our makeshift aging cb's having to deal with it.

If you watch the Tottenham game we got beat for sheer pace on their first 2 goals and it was not because of an outstanding piece of skill of build up play.

Shahram

Scholes is scholes, cleverly is cleverly end of! but Kloot why do all your posts have to ridicule others?? Syd makes very good points and has the b*lls to say what he thinks, you just reply to others with a certain bittnerness that would have us believing you belong more to the kop end than the stretford end!
Chris the REDman

13 Oct 2012 14:50:18
My god our youth team is incredible! Anyone who doesn't have MUTV should get it just to watch them play. They are head and shoulders above every team i've seen them play even with injuries to key players. Outrageously talented playing outstanding football.

Dan

13 Oct 2012 13:39:20
On the theme of Utd teams how about your best UK national players (ie no Republic) in the SAF era;

------------Leighton
Neville--Bruce--Rio--Albiston
Beckham-Scholes-Robson
-------------Giggs
--------Rooney--Hughes

Jono

No bobby charlton?!

TRUMORS

No bobby charlton?!

TRUMORS

SAF era, ppl should read the post b4 commenting me thinks!

Gbgb

Read the original post again trumours

Whiteside ?

N.I. Devil

Paul Mcgrath?

Supasub

Oh sorry my bad!

TRUMORS

McGrath not uk

Not to be picky but technically mcgrath is english was born in england so is english, same as no matter what anybody says darron gibson is northern irish, not from republic but northern ireland, was born in northern ireland so therefore is from northern ireland.

Aaronaldo7

13 Oct 2012 08:55:04
I don know whether we did well to avoid Rodwell, obviously he is going to be good, but he's picked up another hamstring injury this time for the under 21's
U.T.I.D

I think AF has steered clear of him... Looks like a good decision at the moment, when fit he hasn't looked great these last 12 months and the stop start nature of his career has stalled his progress.

Clevs, Wilshire, Ox and hopefully Powell/Tunners will be amongst the best English centre midfielders of this next generation... Not sure Rodwell will be what we thought 2/3years ago.

DodgyBanter