Manchester United Banter Archive August 14 2011

14 Aug 2011 23:45:11
United v Barca and Madrid:

Vidic would probably get into the Barca first team squad.

Vidic, Rooney, would probably get into the Madrid first team squad.

Madrid and Barca would take Chica as a sub.

Who would realistically, get into the United team from Barca and Madrid squads?

Barca: Valdes, Alves, Pique, Abidal, Xavi, Busquests, Iniesta, Fabregas, Sanchez, Villa, Pedro, Messi.

Madrid: Casilles, Sergio Ramos, Pepe, Contreao, Alonso, Kheidra, Ozil, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Benzema, , Sahin.

D'oh

14 Aug 2011 23:07:49
I seriously cannot believe that any Liverpool supporters could come on here and bitch that United didn't WIN the game well enough today. Who collected all three points? Ask anyone who knows anything about football and they'll tell you that the mark of a good team is one that can win a game without playing their best. That's exactly what happened today. Liverpool on the other hand, couldn't beat an average Sunderland team infront of their own fans, and that's with £85m of their new 'talent'.

Anyway onto the game, Young, Smalling and Jones all put in solid performances. Rooney did well. I'd liked to have seen more from Anderson and Cleverley today, but I guess this match highlighted the need for an enforcer to allow the likes of those two to properly influence the match.

And for all you knee jerkers out there, De Gea just needs time. Stop getting so worried.

Matthew...

14 Aug 2011 21:50:33
Ah Mr REDFAITH I see my diplomatic agree or disagree has fallen on deaf ears.

As TK said we all have opinions and there seems to be 50/50 split in the people on here with the WS debate. As I am Scottish I am stubborn anyway but have not been proved wrong in any matter. The only way any points on here would be confirmed as right or wrong is if we signed him then all our debates can then unfold over the length of time he will be with us.

We could get him and he is brilliant for 5+ years, well worth every penny we spent and gave him, brings on all the youngsters, gets on with everyone (despite his wages), plays amazing in CM, gives us a different dimension to our CM play, controls games like Scholes did(not a Mid General way), takes us to the level we need for the next CL meeting with our big oppo's. THEN I will be proved right along with all the other pro WS fans.

Or he comes and is guff, pisses everyone off, fails in our teams play, doesn't fit into our system, gets injured all the time or even a career ending injury, hates all the kids and doesn't let them learn anything from him THEN you and your merry band of anti WS fans can no doubt give us all a rousing "TOLD YOU SO".

Either way he would still have to sign first. There are so many variables in this situation at the minute that no one person has been proved right or wrong. He may not even sign and nobody will get the opportunity to be right.

That's my thoughts on you thinking you have been proved right.

On your other points you say nobody is doubting his ability yet then say as a midfielder we CANT use him in CM and would have to change the team around to fit this one dimensional player into his best position. Excuse me but until 6 months ago was Rooney not considered a Striker? Then he plays really well as a CAM yet nobody is now saying we need a Striker so we don't have to put Rooney back up front are they? Everyone agrees that Rooney if even played in CM would probably be world class he is just questioned about his temperament so why can't WS be world class 15 yards further back on the pitch when he plays?

On the motivator issue. I said we should get him to improve our team (as he is world class) AND as a side part of that could teach our youngsters a thing or 2. It may help them it may not. As I understand it Scholes is to teach the U 18s so Tom, Pogba, Ravel etc wouldn't be learning direct from him anyway so why not WS. I think to say a young player would learn nothing from WS is a bit daft. My opinion of course ;-0.

On the smile on your face at 2-55 in the morning? Well maybe you had another window open with ladies of the night on it that Mrs REDFAITH doesn't allow normally. Again my opinion, altho i could be proved wrong ;-)

Jono

P.s. If it was the opposite way around with contracts in Nasri and WS would you be willing to spend 30+m on Nasri or 20+m on WS?

14 Aug 2011 20:08:27
Where are you G.A.G.U.S? Apprently you don't rate Reina. Yet you rate the 'new Taibi' as world class. Boy im having a good laugh at this lad, are you sure you didn't just get an extra from Home and Away?

Jimmy YNWA
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I stand by my beliefs that De Gea will be a world beater. You are one of those people who believe that, because he cost £18million, he should be the best in the world straight away. That simply won't happen. Patience is needed with De Gea. You WILL be proven wrong

G.A.G.U.S

14 Aug 2011 19:34:34
Guys lets not lie about today,that was a poor perfomance,we still need a playmaker and right back guys.the team that played today cnt challenge barca at ll,our midfield isnt mobile at all. about de gea lets not put him under immense pressure he'll settle soon lets give him time.

14 Aug 2011 19:28:13
Ok so the match was not riveting stuff De Gea made a little mistake so what we got the points and its only the first game not many players are 100% match fit.

On another note I think our mid needs more aggression everyone keeps talking about replacing Scholes. i dont think we do we seem to have a lot of really good youth in the middle. Pogba would be great i think.

DUBMANUTD

14 Aug 2011 19:12:00
I don't understand why everyone is on De Geas back already, he was brilliant at Atletico and knocked Asenjo off his pedistool and was great throughout pre season. As someone posted before hes playing for potentially the biggest team in the world and the current champions. He clearly has a few nerves and it will take him several games to start to feel at home but as and when he does he will be phenominal, and when he learns English better he'll start commanding as he did at atletico.

As for the sneijder rumours. Boring. The Goetze rumours are more tantalising as he's young, potential, skill and vision in abundance with the ability of being moulded into a world class consistent playmaker, the only stumbling block is dortmund as they know what a talent he is. Don't get me wrong Wesley would be a great acquisition but the length of the saga is boring.

GTL 44 (1st time post)

14 Aug 2011 18:59:54
Some parts we played well and we created some chances and at some points we passed very well. We don't need a centre mid cos we do create chances but we would do better with a class player there. I would love another centre mid and I'd prefer Gotze myself, (although unlikely). Gilly

14 Aug 2011 18:30:16
great to see the young and the new players get the win in the end,very young team out there in the end,people cant criticise the players 2 much cause they're the same players people were getting 'horny' about last sun,they're going 2 peak and trough but if they keep finding ways 2 win in the utd tradition then it looks very promising,would u swap what we have with any other prem team at the moment??

14 Aug 2011 18:20:27
We are off & running, it was not a good performance as last week, but we still got the 3 points, if Fergie thinks this team will come close to Barcelona, then he has another thing coming go & get the creative midfielder we need & then we will be unstoppable.

14 Aug 2011 18:08:09
These liverpool fans have short memories. Reina best goalkeeper wat a joke. They slate de gea for making a mistake. Opening game last year reina chucked one in his own net and he'd had 5 years premier league experience. Give de gea a chance he'll prove he's a great young keeper.
Djay

14 Aug 2011 17:55:38
Not the best away win but will take it.

14 Aug 2011 16:09:09
whats the best quality live stream cos its seems jumpy do they all do this.

14 Aug 2011 15:33:28
Begovic was MOTM, Ray Wilkins really has to take his tongue out of Chelsea's backside. They stabbed him in the back and he still does them favours.

Sydney!

14 Aug 2011 16:53:37
There we go if that opening half in which we have been embarrassed by those world beaters west brim doesn't show Fergie how piss poor our midfield is maybe it's time for him to go. If anyone actually thinks we compete in Europe with this team ur deluded. About time we showed some balls and sign at least one world class midfielder y us it always us that are afraid to go public on fear of being turned down in public. Absolutely no creation at all in midfield hence y Rooney drops so deep.

14 Aug 2011 14:56:23
A few comments i want to make.

Firstly we spent £50 million this summer so how hove we not spent money? If it was restricted we would not have paid out the 2nd largest ever transfer fee for a keeper and we would have bought someone cheaper like Stekelenberg. And we wouldn't have signed Jones or Young if money was tight.

I agree we need 1 more signing, preferably an experienced player to help guide the youngsters and to take on Giggsy's mantle when he retires.

However i feel that this will not be Sneijder. I just got the feeling that he doesn't really wnats to play for us and that he is just loking for a fat pay check. This is surely the wrong attitude. If the hold up is his wages and not the fee with Inter then i say pull the plug. I hope i am wrong as i do feel he could do a great job for us.

We have always produced great players only buying what we need as when. Look at the players we have made over the last 50-60 years: Edwards, Charlton, Best, Whiteside, Giggs, Beckham, Scholes, Neville and so on and so on. And the players we have bought and made better. We rarely buy superstars.

I think some people have been spoilt by success. Especially the 3 recent finals in the Champions League. OK we lost 2 it was hard but we made it to to the final. Before this decade started we had only ever been to 2 European Cup finals in 45 years and then we have 3 in 4 years. That to me at least shows the club is going in the right direction. I first became a supporter in the same season that ended with all English clubs being banned from Europe for 5 seasons. And then furst time we're allowed back in and English club goes and win's one of the 3 trophies on offer. That club was United.

Look at how we under performed in the 90's, all those quarter finals losses to teams that yes we should have beaten like Dortmund and Monaco/ Luckily the internet was still in its infancy or the complaints would have been horrendous. How would some "fans" on here have coped with the 4-0 nil drubbing at Camp Nou bythe Romario/ Stoichkov side?

In football you have to take the bad with the good and we have had a lot of good. So what if we had the worst away record of the top 4 last season? We still had the bets home record of the top 4 and went on to win the league. I know which i would prefer. The league has gotten stronger and teams have upped the ante we have to respond. I am certain that we will do much better away from home this season. But if some of you are unhappy at not winning games away from home then you would be going mad if we were doing that at home like Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool were last season.

I feel we have enough in the squad to win the league this season. Europe is a different prospect but we shoud make the last 4 again and once your in a semi then anything can happen.

Sorry the rant and that its a bit long but had a lot i wanted to say.

Rincewind.

14 Aug 2011 11:58:04
Just heading off to the game guys and Ive gotta say its all good. We have a great squad. Another CM would be awesome but we have some guys coming through who will do the business.

Great to go to aways as Champ19ns.

Nothing better than fending off the opposition chants with our fave..."Champions, champions, champions"

Come on guys. Number 20 here we go.

Lets be havin yah

14 Aug 2011 11:22:09
We don't need Sneijder, and I don't want Wes. I would love another centre mid and I would prefer Gotze or Nasri. We controlled many games last year. Take the Champions League. When we played Chelsea, we controlled both games and we dominated their midfield. And when we played Valencia we controlled those game and then Schalke The same Schalke that destroyed Sneijder and Co. We totally dominated both games. Take the Community Shield also, we controlled the game from the very start. We have a decent centre mid, and overall we have a great squad. Gilly

14 Aug 2011 03:29:38
14 Aug 2011 00:21:04
We were poor away from home last year. I believe because we don't have a midfield general like Sneijder. Lets see against WBA Sunday. They are not a powerhouse european team, so we should control the game....lets see if we do."""
dear unnamed sir
was that the same GENERAL who had a non descript season last year?
the same GENERAL that was overrun by schalke at home, NOT away?
and how did our pathetic midfield do against the powerful schalke midfield home AND away?
and west broom and the epl are much much more physical than anything in Italy
how do you think your general will fare?
he will "run the show"??
ngiak is not sure at all
gan

14 Aug 2011 09:32:24
Will Gibson and kuszhack* be leaving and seems we hav lot of strikers, any chance in one goin out on loan say diouf or macheda?

14 Aug 2011 08:39:52
Am I the only one wondering how Kaka gets the cover of FIFA every year?

14 Aug 2011 03:48:10
We are the champions despite a poor midfield. Do you really want another season of dismal away performances because out midfield are not good enough to control games.
Before you question who I support I am a regular at OT unlike you I am fairly sure.
Stop talking in the third person, idiot.

Red Daz."""
dear mr red raz
ngiak never mentioned your age
nor your visits to OT
only your maturity
and your glory hunting mentality
you forget our club culture and what it means
if all else fails
just start throwing personal insults

14 Aug 2011 03:40:32
Well they did get to the semi-final of the CL and did beat Barca in Spanish Cup.
They have some top draw players such as Ronaldo, Alonso, Ozil, Higuain and a top manager. Not sure i would fancy us against them with our midfield.

Red Daz."""
dear red raz
well well
you mention one game and say that's why real are second best?
what about what man united have done?
the recent past...
what has man united achieved in the last 5 years?
and what has real achieved at home and in Europe?
if you want glitter and stars well
to remind you young ones
our ethos is based on youth
yes we do buy the 'big players'
but if you were a TRUE man united diehard
you rather see a youngster doing well
rather than a big expensive buy flopping around earning his pension
guess you and your supporters of the glitz and glamour were not weaned on the real man united
real Madrid are not far away by the way
gan

14 Aug 2011 01:46:49
lfc is onoly in from a night out and i still talk more sense than you do,and i can still spell better, dont be weting your knicks that we only drew today , as i expect you lot to be beaten more than you think, and your young keeper looks like a good gust of wind would blow him away, never mind ashley young being better suited to rugby......lfc

14 Aug 2011 00:23:40
Right, i'm sick of all this fighting over WS, Ando and the midfield debate, lets just crack on with the new season and see where it takes us

=v1=

13 Aug 2011 23:47:05
Did anyone else see the newspaper heading in the MOTD title sequence? Liverpool 18 titles Manchester United 19 titles haha

13 Aug 2011 23:27:08
still think Ronaldo will return, if this year goes badly then he'll come back next summer. Madrid was his mums dream, not his