Manchester United Banter Archive July 14 2014

 

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14 Jul 2014 23:18:06
so a guy who I've just been chatting to who runs a man utd page on facebook claims that vidal is a done deal and just waiting to be announced and has heard so from a straight up guy with good contacts, and a guy on twitter who claims to be the man who broke the van persie story before any tabloids did says the deal is done( don't know if he's telling truth because I've only been on twitter for a few months), add that to the fact he has now been smashed into 1/12 to sign for us I am starting to feel rather optimistic about this whole saga.

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{Ed002's Note - Sounds like someone hedging their bets.}

14 Jul 2014 22:40:25
Any news on a potential move for Blind? Looked a great utility player at the World Cup and could provide LB and CB cover as well as playing his holding midfield role.

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14 Jul 2014 22:20:54
This Vidal saga is worse than the Fabregas one for sure, 4 hours ago a media outlet said the deal is on for £35m, then the mail have just said it's off and now that "agent" on twitter is saying that he's spoke to Dennis Irwin and he says that the club are confident in signing him, this will put me in an early grave. Tell my family I want Johnny cash- ring of fire to be played at my funeral as I'm buried please lol

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The Daily Fail says it all

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It smacks of old Eddie up to his useless tricks again!

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Feeling the same Anon.think we need to all switch the Internet off for a week and then see what the outcome Is on the other side.
Good song choice, I for one fancy The Jam. Going Underground as i.am lowered! maybe this is a thread in itself!

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As Pardoe said the Daily Fail said it was off Denis Irwin says it on

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14 Jul 2014 21:03:19
Teams win Titles, great players win games.
LVG is all about Teams.

New Deal with Adidas, can't wait for the season to start

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14 Jul 2014 20:57:52
Heard a good question that I will put to you guys:

Who is going to be the biggest looser with LvG as manager?

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{Ed004's Note - Rooney}

Smalling. He just won't get the opportunities he's been given under SAF & Moyes due to his lack of ability on the ball.

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Moyes. No matter what LVG does, he will improve on last season, and that will be another notch against Moyes's credentials.

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Believe, if Martins-Indi got picked, why wouldn't Smalling?

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Fellaini and Fletcher.

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14 Jul 2014 21:27:11
I worry for Hernandez :/

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I honestly think rooney and smalling, smalling especially, will thrive under lvg. Rooney is a hard worker and that's what lvg loves in a player and this can be shown by the players we've bougjt and are linked with. biggest loser for me is hernandez and dare I say it, mata

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I think Amos,

Too old to have serious potential anymore, just a half average squad GK - he'll be shipped out for Jonstone

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14 Jul 2014 22:29:35
Jose Mourinho, the media will love LVG and Jose is going to be playing second fiddle for back page headlines.

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Fellaini, Fletcher, Young & Hernandez - Jury out on Rooney.

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I would have said Mata until I saw Sneijder continuously being picked despite dismal performances, and he isn't half as good as Mata.

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That's not going to happen trumours, rooney will be lucky to start a game

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Rooney, LVG is not afraid to drop big players for the sake of the team.

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14 Jul 2014 20:49:52
If di maria does go to psg, would we have any interest in Lucas or lavezzi of psg?

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I love Lavezzi, he doesn't get the credit he should

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14 Jul 2014 20:46:34
Vidal 1/12 now to join us if we do pull this off and it's looking more and more likely it be the signing of the summer

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We would have some Midfield if he signs.

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Apparently terms have been agreed but that means f-all til we see him holding the shirt up on the club website, IF he does sign can you see him getting the 8 shirt he wears for club and country and Mata going to 11? Trivial I know but just a thought

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I've put £10 on him moving to Bayern at 18's.

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Tempted to do the same RedSeven! Great price, because I know if they come sniffing its 50-50 who he chooses IMO. And with Kroos gone, there's definitely potential.

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14 Jul 2014 20:28:37
I know it doesn't happen til next year but maybe having Adidas as our shirt sponsor may help with hummel as he is a adidas spnsored player and does have a commercial part with adidas in germany?

clutching at straws like but hey

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{Ed007's Note - That's the kind of stuff we've to listen to all day and every day from Ed004.}

Haha Maybe Ed004 knows something?

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{Ed007's Note - I think we both know the answer to that.}

Ha that's a no then

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14 Jul 2014 20:27:40
Can some off you on here who watch the u21's a lot gimme some proper info on these 2:

Saidy Janko - I thought he was a RB but he plays RM a lot and looks skillfull.

Pereira: I thought he was going to burst through before januzaj but shows how much I know.

Cheers boys,

HarryUTD

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I'll try and reply as I have seen some of both.

Both look good players tbh.

Pereira: best likeness I can give is maybe somewhere between oscar and mata in style. Does dribble a bit but has a good eye for a pass and a good shot on him. Is small and maybe lacks a little bit of pace to be a world eater but a very good player none the less. Probably a year or two away yet I would say. Probably would benefit from a loan move to someone like Wigan who play decent football where he could get some game time.

Janko: the boys a beast and I'm A big fan. Powerful solid runner, an absolute workhorse and either at RB (probably his best position) or RM has looked good. Can put in a cross and has decent awareness. Maybe occasionally tries to do too much and is occasionally a little clumsy looking but only very occasionally. Has been one of the stand outs whenever I have seen him play.

I actually think if LVG takes too him could end up getting some game time if Raphael doesn't impress. Personally I'd prefer to give him a.game at RB than Smalling. But then I'm really not a fan of Smalling full stop.

Hope that helps.

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I said from the start Janko could win big under LVG he is made for the PL good engine the works

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Watched both plenty of times last season.peraira is very talented but for me isn't consistant enough yet, he does some special things in games but needs to dictate the play more, janko is still very raw and probably a couple of seasons away from any 1st team squad action, big strong lad with pace would benefit from a loan

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14 Jul 2014 19:42:51
Hi Ed, regarding Cavani, I understand you said he was looking to play up front for PSG and PSG would like to get rid of Ibrahamovic to accommodate Cavani in his favoured position. However as you said, it's unlikely they would be able to do that due to his cost, age and wages. I assume Cavani has also realised this hence today's news of him informing his agent to look for a PL move?

I was wondering whether you had any updates on his stance and which clubs his agent may have approached or which clubs have approached him.

Thanks.

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{Ed002's Note - It is the same as it was months ago as you alluded to.}

14 Jul 2014 21:04:39
I would imagine him at City, Ideal replacement for Augero when he goes to Madrid

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14 Jul 2014 19:09:32
betty you, like most other posters, seem to assume that we cannot be as strong next season merely because we will not have a 31 goal striker.
There is no reason why that should be the case. We WILL make more signings, granted not a 31 goal a season striker, but we don't need to.
We have had a very leaky defence - that will be attended to in this window. A stronger defence will mean less goals conceded. Less goals conceded will mean that less goals scored will not necessarily hurt us.
I will await sight of our and other team's squads at the start of the season before attempting a
prediction - you would be wise to do the same

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I personally think Liverpool might struggle next season, to emulate the kind of form they showed in the last quarter of last season.

Suarez is a massive loss. Add to that the increased numbers of games you will have to play, means that it won't be possible to put out your strongest line up on a week to week basis, like you were able to last season.

Looking at the signings Liverpool have made thus far this season, I fail to see where you have improved. Yes, you have added some depth, but some of the players' you have signed - with the exception of Lambert - do not have PL experience, so there is no telling how long it will take for them to adjust to the rigors of PL.

If I were a Liverpool fan, I would be a little peeved if Suarez wasn't replaced with another big name striker of similar quality.

The lesson Spurs learnt last season should not be forgotten: signing all those players' did not improve the team, and mitigate the loss of Bale.

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Last year we scored only 64 goals which was the lowest for 10 years. We conceded 43, the same as the previous season when we were champions, only then we scored 86. Had we scored another 22 goals last year we probably would have been 3rd or 4th given how both City and Liverpool scored over 100.

Going back through the records we conceded an average of 39 goals a season for the last 4 years whereas in the previous 4 we conceded and average of only 25 per season. An improvement in defence is clearly required.

However, ultimately, goal difference may be the major determinant. 2013/14's 21 was the lowest in more than a decade. Given the way last season went that number needs to be closer to 50 to be in contention for the premier league title. So, in truth, its a combination of scoring more and letting fewer in.

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14 Jul 2014 22:36:08
samthered, if we ignore the obvious two then this 'replacement' doesn't exist

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I think the biggest thing to do liverpool will be the CL games that's where the toll will come

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Sam, Lallana has been in the EPL for the same amount of time as Lambert.

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14 Jul 2014 17:40:43
Question for Syndey,

Last week you recommended Blue Nun as a good wine for AJH(I think?) to take to a JessieJ concert. Well I bought a case of it. I'm off out now to an Elbow concert at the Eden Project.
So Syd, is Blue Nun a suitable beverage to be consumed in the presence of Guy Garvey, and if not, what would you suggest on this occasion?

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Elbow are worth a listen unlike JessieJ, therefore just an expensive red will do. Don't need to be so drunk that you have no recollection of the event.

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14 Jul 2014 18:23:35
Lambrini or if ure feeling all towie cherry lambrini

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Blimey Betty! I wold clean my paint brushes with Blue Nun - technically it is wine, in the same way that technically, Joey Barton is an international footballer.

I was asking Syd as a joke as was CTR asking him about fishing, hot on the heels of his latest groupie asking him a question (no offence Syd). Having drunk gallons of wine over the last 20 years I'm not a wine snob but I know my stuff. Red or white? What do you look for in a wine?

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14 Jul 2014 19:32:47
I'm sure 007 would advise a finely matured bottle of the Purple Soup, more commonly know as Buckfast ;). Great deal on a bottle to at just £7.50

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{Ed007's Note - £7.50!!!! It's only £5.80 - £6.20 where I live. Good luck with the Blue Nun, Betty, you'll need it.}

Nice pint of real ale . That's what he would drink! Guy I mean!

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I was only joking, I have very rarely drank wine, but I do remember getting four bottles for a tenner when I was 13/14. I was smashed. You can never go wrong with Jack Daniels.

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{Ed007's Note - Had glass been invented when you were 13/14, Syd?}

Can't beat a bottle of pale rider.

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Buckfast? real connoisseurs drink Lanliq up here.

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Pale Rider! Spot on.

Syd how many Jack Daniels is optimal for a Monday evening? Hic!

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I used to drink pints of JD and coke at the pub. Used to cost me about £4 a pint, used to get fed up of going to the bar every ten minutes. £4 wouldn't get me a double JD now. Prices have skyrocketed. As for Buckfast, I think that is made pretty close to where I live.

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{Ed007's Note - It's monks from Buckfast Abbey in Devon that make it.}

14 Jul 2014 22:00:43
007, i'm at Uni in Liverpool where it's just under £10. absolute rip-off!

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007, I live in Devon. My boy went on a day trip there with the school recently.

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{Ed002's Note - I am going to be in Devon on Sunday and have only recently done a trip to the pointed end of Cornwall with some musician friends. I have not tried this Buckfast stuff but a friend who did says it is not a typo as we first thought.}

002, I was down St Minver way the other day and went Padstow and Rock. Going to venture further into the sticks next summer. Kids loved it down there. A nice place to live if you can afford a holiday home.

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{Ed002's Note - I went with friends who were playing a concert in St Ives. Very busy.}

002, St Ives is where I am going to go next summer. What did you make of it Ed? The beaches are very nice apparently, but the seagulls are a pain in the arse.

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{Ed002's Note - I did not go to the beach nor attempt any act involving a seagull. It was very busy, some nice little galleries, hotel was good.}

14 Jul 2014 16:45:08
Rumour has it that Messi is looking to leave Barcelona? Apparently a reporter asked Suarez how he managed with food considering his massive teeth, and he replied "I just chew a little messy".

I'll get my coat?

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Wow, if you don't get your coat I bloody will

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Hopefully we will hear Neymar of those jokes!

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14 Jul 2014 16:49:20
I think Big Al is buttering us up to make a seamless transition from Liverpool fan to fully fledged Red Devil!

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I've heard what Liverpool fans do when they've buttered up, he can keep away.

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Im hurt men

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Al, I have no doubt you hurt men. That's what Carloto was alluding to :)

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Well big Al invest in some proper lube then.

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Haha
So it was.you then syd?

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Butter or veggie oil is what they use in places like Liverpool, Rhyl, Dundee :)

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14 Jul 2014 16:11:27
Does anyone know if reports are true that we are looking to sell zaha? I thought he showed so much promise on tour last year. And I thought he might get a chance this year because he actually moves forward with the ball. I know he didn't do too great at Cardiff but he has potential? So is it a problem with his attitude or something?

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I would imagine that Van Gaal will take a good look at him first. The impression from last year was that he has some growing up to do.

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I don't know much about Zaha the man, but from what I have read on this website over the past 18 month's it seems he has a major attitude problem (same could have been said for a lot of our players of late in various periods).

But supposedly LVG is the guy that takes no prisoners in that department - I would like to think he can judge things for himself before executing though.

The past few years can't have been easy for a lot of the players, with no real authority being shown and strange decisions being made - it's inevitable some people will choose to take miles where inches were on offer, it's about reigning them in. Look at Lee Sharpe & Giggs, one learnt the other didn't, but they were given the chance and I think that's important, because SAF definitely took a back seat towards the end and Moyes was Mr. Mixed Message and desperate to boot! Hardly inspires a solid professional ethic from those pre-disposed to going a bit rogue.

I would like Zaha and Anderson to be given a chance to flourish under a bit of authority.

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14 Jul 2014 17:06:40
Hopefully your correct beast and he does get a fair chance because I just have a feeling that zaha could become a top player and he's English which is a bonus. Hopefully LVG can re-inspire some of the others especially nani but his time may have come I feel.

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Zaha I think will be one of them players that gets a chance in the pre season Young and Nani will probably leave if one of Reus/Di Maria are brought in and a buyer is found Nani might get a chance if no winger is brought in Zaha might move on after the pre season if he's not showing promise

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14 Jul 2014 15:24:29
Hearing from an unreliable source that Man Utd are preparing a cash + kagawa deal for Hummels and Reus.

A few things strike me about this. Player + Cash deals don't appear to happen that much so I would be surprised. Also, I can't see Dortmund selling 2 of their biggest stars.

While this would be great, I personally can't see it happening.

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14 Jul 2014 14:38:59
Mystic meg type look at next season ,anyone else wanna hav a go lol

1.Man Utd
2.Man City
3.Arsenal
4.Liverpool
5.Everton
6.Tottenham
7.Chelsea

Mourinho is going to say too much ,fall out with his squad and be hounded by the media who will be sick of him ,gone by next summer( 7th ) ,utd are going to sign vidal ,and one or too more and win the league by 5-7 points (1st),city are going to lose toure and implode somewhat but still finish runner up(2nd)sanchez is going to be a striker for arsenal,finish as their top scorer and get them third(3rd) Liverpool will go backwards after losing the best striker in the world and get champs league football on last day of the season(4th)everton will get off to a flyer and be top by Christmas but fall away and just miss out on champions league football on the last of the season to there red neighbours(5th)potachinos spurs will under whelm as usual and get 6th(6th)

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14 Jul 2014 15:05:28
Nothing wrong with having a wishlist roonbest but don't waste
any money with the bookmakers on this

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I am not going to say anything until all the teams have done their spending. But I will say that I expect Chelsea to finish in the top two.

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I have to agree with Puzzled, your prediction is unrealistic. You need to swap around 4th and 7th.

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14 Jul 2014 15:20:47
Ouch Betty!!!

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14 Jul 2014 15:23:05
Yeh Liverpool in the top lol not gunna happen mate

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Puzzled, I think in all seriousness that next season will be the closest ever. I think Liverpool will be a more solid unit allround, but the loss of Suarez is huge. I'm sure BigAl will come back and tell me I am clueless and lacking knowledge etc, but I just can't see Liverpool improving on last season, or even matching it. If they has made the same signing and kept Suarez I would see them as genuine contenders in all competitions (I don't mean win them all). I don't think they can replace Suarez like for like, so I expect hem to play differently next season. Maybe with 3 behing 1 central striker?
City will be there or there abouts again, and Arsenal are improving all the time, though still look a little week defensively.
Spurs I think will have another "false dawn" and end up disappointed.
Chelsea should be up there again, but I am not so sure about the signings they have made. Fabregas is a very good player, but going forwards I don't see him scoring as many goals as the departing Lampard, and defensively Chelsea are already very strong anyway, so I am not really sure whether he will improve Chelsea all that much as a team. Diego Costa is, in my opinion, not all that he is cracked up to be. Having said that, Chelsea are lacking up front so he should in theory improve them and score a few goals, though I am not convinced he will do that well in our league.
Finally, on to United. I am not sure that we will be ready to challenge for the title this season, though I have no doubt we will be considerably better that last season. I expect us to at least make top 4 and qualify for ECL. But IF we can get Vidal and a top class CB like Hummels, them who knows.
I guess time will tell, and of course there is 6 weeks left in the transfer window so a lot can change in that time. But whatever happens, I think next season will be one of, if not the best ever.

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Love the optimism, but I can't see us finishing 1st. Have to agree with Sydney on Chelsea in the top two as well.

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Right now, my prediction would be;

1) Chelsea
2) Manchester City
3) Manchester United
4) Arsenal

From there down, I couldn't care less. If we get the likes of Hummels & Vidal, or players of that equivalent, then we may finish higher.

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Betty everyone has an opinion
Liverpool will be a dangerous team again.next season and will finish in the top four IMO.
I will be keeping an eye on united. i'm a footballing fan and very interested in how LVG gets on. he's a big personality.
Some of your.posts I enjoy reading betty

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14 Jul 2014 16:35:36
Chelsea
Man city
Man United
Arsenal
Liverpool

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I think it all depends on who we sign. If we can get 3 or 4 more players' of sufficient quality, we will challenge for the title, IMO.

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Big Al, I'm only messing mate. Just thought I'd give you a mention after your less than complimentary reply the other day. What was it again? Pitiful, lacking knowledge and depth of something like that?

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lol.

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I'm standing by my prediction from last month.

1) Chelsea
2) Manchester City
3) Manchester United
4) Arsenal

If we sign Vidal, Reus and Hummels (or players of that ilk) I can see us taking second and giving Chelski a good fight for the title. If Liverpool reinvest the money wisely I can see them pipping Arsenal for 4th and giving us a fight for 3rd (assuming we don't sign Vidal, Reus and Hummels).

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In all honesty:

1. Chelsea
2. Man United
3. Man City
4. Arsenal
5. Liverpool
6. Tottenham
7. Everton

Chelsea just look too strong for me with a fantastic manager and a couple of excellent signings.

We have made excellent progress in addressing our key areas and have a top class manager but I think it might be a season too early to win it. I may change my mind if we got Vidal and Hummels. (Unlikely)

If City hold on to Toure though then I think there's a chance we swap places. Otherwise they still have arguably the best squad in the league but I'm not convinced they have the best team spirit, I'm also not convinced by Pellegrini and they are very reliant on their core, if any of Kompany, Toure or Aguero get injured they seem to be very heavily affected.

Arsenal have signed SAnchez who will improve them and look like they might get Khedira as well but with Wenger still there and the club still having the "bottlers" of the last few years can't see them doing better than this.

Liverpool I think will suffer from fixture congestion due to Europe and loosing Suarez. Might not even get 5th.

Spurs & Everton much of a muchness but think Pochetino will get spurs playing better and Everton's finances will scupper their chances of doing better unless Martinez can pull off another free transfer/loan miracle.

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I couldn't take the post seriously after Suarez was described as the best striker in the world (messi/ronaldo anyone?)

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The Gunners could well have been champions last year had it not been for leading the table in injuries, in particular to Walcott, who was beginning to add awareness, passing and goals to his speed. To contend with the increased schedule Liverpool would have needed a deeper squad just to stay where they were, but without Suarez, I expect them to fall off the pace. Chelsea will be too negative - Mourinho is a one trick pony. It will cost them.

At the risk of incurring heaps of ridicule, here's my list:

Arsenal
Manchester City
Chelsea
Manchester United
Liverpool
Everton
Spurs

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.Apologies betty, I mixed you up with a certain liverpool poster with that post. I do think united fans should lessen their expectations though. United no doubt should challenge for 4th but I have a feeling LVG will make things that.bit.difficult

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Peashooter that's what the table my look like at some point in the season but eventually Arsenal will bottle it and celebrate 4th again.

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Mixed bag no one has a clue just have a feeling mourinho is going to look for attention too often and make a mess of it and finish out of the top 4 ,and I do believe we will win it with a bit to spare

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Arsenal
Man City
Chelsea
Man Utd
Liverpool
Everton
Totenham
if Sanchez is a hit that's my prediction but a few signings for any team could change that

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14 Jul 2014 14:31:57
Anon
It just feels like a right wind up. I do it myself, especially on here ;) but when.messi is average and lambert is a great player, I question some, one in particular mental state.
Supasub, I wouldn't go that far

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14 Jul 2014 14:28:02
Eds

Is it possible for a club to buy a player even if he can't pass a medical in the transfer window cause he's injured? Something like both the clubs agreeing and the player agreeing terms too. Just the medical happens after the window closes when the player's fit again. I know it would be very risky on the part of the buying club but i'm just asking if its possible.

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{Ed001's Note - yes, but it never happens. There are medicals that can be taken with an injury, it has happened many times, Stewart Downing passed on to join Villa, for instance, while out with a long term injury. They test the player's overall fitness, check out his medical history and take a look at how the injury is healing.}

Thanks ed.

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14 Jul 2014 14:19:24
MU are now out of any debt danger. According to Andy Green the debt interest down to just £20m a year. This will drop even more when the other half of the bond debt is refinanced. This deal adds 39% to EBITDA. MU are officially out of danger and are in VERY VERY good financial shape.

Now let's go and get Vidal, Hummels & Reus :)

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Exciting times ahead Syd, this deal shows our pulling power to the rest of the world at just the right time.

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Sydney

Has there been any indication that we still want reus or that he'd want us?

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No, but we did want him before, if Barcelona are out of the question (big if), then it will depend on whether MU will go back for him after he snubbed us. I hope we will.

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We'd have to wait till jan though

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14 Jul 2014 15:27:53
Sydney: I see you keep mentioning Reus, where has this come from? Is it down to Di Maria supposedly heading to PSG and you seeing him as a logical alternative, or has something been said that I've missed?

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Sydney

I will be interested to know when there is a plan on how to eradicate the debt. At the moment it is like servicing an interest only mortgage but at some point the lump of debt will need to be addressed. We have good income but there is no capital repayment and until that debt has gone I will not get over excited

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Red Man, what's there to worry about when the interest payments are as low as £12m. That is what will happen when the rest of the debt is refinanced. We were turning over £200m with interest nearing £70m per annum. We will soon be turning over £500m with interest payments of around £12m. I am sure the debt will be paid down, but it's no longer an issue for us. Thankfully.

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I think the club will look to spend massively this season, in order to ensure our success on the pitch, mirrors our off field success.

Very exciting times. And we have no sugar daddy propping us up.

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Sydney

Interest rates and likely our payments will go up but the rump of the debt still hangs over us. At some point it will need repaying and how will they do that without compromising something. Also renegotiation, how much will that cost in fees? Basically the interest is more affordable but the problem of the capital remains

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14 Jul 2014 14:17:54
The adidas kit deal has been confirmed and it blows all others out the water. 10-year deal worth GBP 750m, effective as of summer 2015. An incredible amount of money but it just shows how far ahead we are of every other club in the world when it comes to "the brand" and the way we market it.

As of next summer we will be bringing in close to GBP 150m p/a from our three main sponsors, adidas, Chevrolet and Aon. This is terrific for the club and will ensure not only that we retain our status as the world's leading football institution, but that we will be able compete at the very top end of the transfer market. Good times ahead once again Reds!


Not bad for a club in decline! :-)

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14 Jul 2014 13:21:14
As a Liverpool fan I see far more sense in this site. Slowly losing my mind

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Just been over to your site for the first time in awhile, it is quite laughable isn't it?

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14 Jul 2014 14:12:36
New you would come round to our way of thinking Al.

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We enjoy having you here, Al.

Btw question for you. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't our new GBP 750m KIT deal more than double what it cost to BUY Liverpool FC? :-)

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Ah yes

Denial
Anger
Bargain
Depression
Acceptance

Welcome to the last stage.Took you a while ;)

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Always room for another United supporter In the world Al, even if that person is an ex Liverpool fan :-)

On another note, how did Messi get player of the world cup? I saw all the Argentina games and most of the world cup games and he definitely wasn't the best player in this world cup. Personally, I think Mascherano was Argentina's best player in the tournament.

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Apparently the rumour is because its an Addidas award and Messi is an Addidas poster boy.

Controversial I know considering the recent announcement

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Haha, il give you that.one though its a huge deal.
Brendan, no still very much liverpool. I agree with you on messi. james Rodriguez for me all day. What a player he could become

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Not having a pop but why do you come here big al? I personally would never visit a liverpool page, I have 0 interest in what there fans have to say but you seem to have interest in what man utd fans are saying, do you have a secret soft spot for us?

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Sounds about right Bgolgo.

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Theres rational, thinking that goes into posts on this page. My son is a big united fan, got it from his.mother. I wouldn't let him on here. He would Intellectually destroy each post condemning united' so I do have some sort of interest reguarding the little devils.

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Bgolgo - James Rodriguez is an Adidas player - as are Hummels, Kroos, Lahm, Muller, Neuer and Schweinsteiger.

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Read the post red seven

I said the rumour being bandied about was because Messi is an Addidas poster boy. And I think that he is regarded as a much higher profile player than the ones you mentioned.

Or would you prefer the answer that he is Fifa's blue eyed and they think his sh#t smells of roses?

I'll let you decide ;)

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14 Jul 2014 13:11:50
News of a £750 million kit deal with adidas now broken by a reliable source! Now that's a massive boost to the club finances with the kit sponsor deal let hope that money goes to getting the players the club should be aiming for and getting the club debt free

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14 Jul 2014 14:27:56
The club are generally quite a reliable source to be fair lol.

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14 Jul 2014 15:07:31
I had only seen it on sky news at that point! But I really really believed it when I see it on the clubs web site after posting

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14 Jul 2014 15:41:49
Haha :) sorry for the sarcasm mate, I get carried away!

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14 Jul 2014 16:46:34
Ive got no issues with a bit of pi$$ taking mate

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14 Jul 2014 13:09:31
So the Adidas deal has been confirmed, minimum of £750m over the next 10 years, exciting times for us, everything looked a bit bleak this time last year when we were chasing players we were never going to sign, let's hope this window doesn't pan out that way.

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14 Jul 2014 13:06:56
So Adidas it is, at least £750m over 10 years, settle for that :-)

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14 Jul 2014 12:29:49
Adidas deal could be £70 million sterling per year.

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14 Jul 2014 11:52:21
Cavani has told his agent to look at a possible premier league move.

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Let's hope United take no notice if true. Way, way over priced both in fee and wages. A £25-£30m fee and £125-150k per week and I wouldn't be too opposed.

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Agreed, 20-25 million and I'd say it could be a good deal. His just not needed

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14 Jul 2014 11:40:34
Not united related but german players were holding reus shirt during their celebration. What a gesture that was tells u about the spirit of the team

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14 Jul 2014 11:35:34
Apparently Cavani's agent is looking into a potential move to the premier league for the player.

I can see us being the most interested club as Chelsea could do with another striker but having just signed Costa and their preferred formation of 4-2-3-1 there's only room for one major striker.

I would've ruled Liverpool out but if they are genuinely going to reinvest all the Suarez money and having just lost a world class striker they could do with a replacement.

If we sign him it looks like we could be heading to a narrow 4-3-3 formation of 4-3-1-2 with full backs providing the width and strikers drifting out wide occasionally. As Cavani can play on the wing he will be used to this and we do need some pace upfront and although he isn't lightning quick, he is faster than our current strikers.

A front three of RVP and Cavani with Mata behind would be very good.

Alternatively in a 4-3-3 with RVP and Cavani as the outer strikers and Rooney down the middle with Mata as one of the midfield 3 would also be one of the strongest attacks in the league if not the strongest.

However for approximately £50 million he may be to pricey but this year could be the year we spend big.

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If he comes over it will be to Liverpool or Chelski.

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No thanks, let City/Chelsea over spend on him.

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R7, Liverpool? You really are a fantasist aren't you :)

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14 Jul 2014 11:26:12
uhhh ooooo.

Looks like Bayern are after Vidal now, hope this isn't true.

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14 Jul 2014 11:17:44
Cavani has reported asked his agent to construct a move to the premier league. Even tho we have striker options I would love him at the club. if lil pea leave and welbeck plays a bit role as a winger I think he would he would be amazing signing for us. we don't need him badly but my god we can't afford him to go to a rival team.

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14 Jul 2014 10:24:15
Just getting caught up in the whole German plan for football domination for the foreseeable future (they've invested in youth set-up, schools, every level etc) and that they've got yet more youngsters lined up to keep their success going.

What about stealing a march on our rivals now and signing up some of the promising Germans who will be stars of the NEXT World Cup?

Draxler ACM
Ginter CB
Hoffman DCM
Goretzka CM
Volland Striker

Plus some of the Dutch starlets. Any other youngsters we should invest in now? Or are our youngsters (Wilson, Perriera, Pearson, Keane) good enough?

(Does anyone know if they're going on the USA tour? Not listed on the official tour poster. )

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Volland is someone that I really think has the potential to be a World beater. Gotze and Reus will also star for Germany.

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14 Jul 2014 10:22:35
A question for the regulars: If we get Hummels and Vidal, can we challenge for the title without a new forward player like Di Maria or Reus?

I think not because we would still lack pace in the final third. But we would be close.

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14 Jul 2014 10:57:14
Even if we signed a more attainable player like Memphis Depay along with those 2 we would be title contenders no doubt

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Fresh if we get Hummels and Vidal we will be challenging for the title this year but may just miss out near the end if one of our forwards gets injured.

We are not going to get dominated in midfield like the last few years.

Watch out for James wilson and Adnan januzaj even if we don't get another attacking player plus a fully happy Van persie will make a huge difference.

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Not for me. We lack pace and penetration and for me an AM is vital this summer. Move young and possibly Nani on and bring in a Robben, Di Maria, Rues etc. my preference would of been Reus. After his injury and stating he wanted to join Barca, I would of gone all out for Sanchez myself.

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We are in desperate need of some pace in wide areas if we are to compete for the league in my opinion, preferably players with an end product and not wasted pace like valencia, i'd love to see us get back to being ruthless on the counter attack, defending our 18 yard box once seoncd, winning it back and then hitting our opponents so fast and hard they can't can't do a thing about it, that is vintage man utd.

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I think we would Fresh.

Vidal would add the dynamism in midfield with Hererra. Rooney, Mata & RVP need space to be effective and last season because we were so immobile we couldn't provide space for them. With an energetic midfield and a solid defence we can create more space for our creative players to flourish so rapid pace isn't as crucial. It's all about making the opposition move into uncomfortable space, and we can do that with a mobile midfield.

Plus we will be much fitter on account of having less fixtures.

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Yes, IMO, the likes of Hummels would push up into midfield, pushing Herrera and Vidal further upfield, making life much easier for the attacking players. It would be nice to have a quick option, kind of the icing on the cake, but we could do without one if we really needed to. Adnan and Valencia could work for the time being, but Valencia would need to find the form he once had.

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14 Jul 2014 11:45:40
we won it without the pace 2 seasons ago.

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Personally I think not. We would be in the running and I think Van Gaal will get more out of our wingers or will adapt our style to suit the players come 1 Sept.
However, .a Di Marea or Reus would add a real threat that would score goals and create space for others.

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14 Jul 2014 09:44:49
If Vidal comes in. Big if! I think it will have a double effect on the club. Firstly, .I think it will encourage other high class players like Reus/Hummels that it is worth coming. secondly, I think.it will make the current player work and train harder.the intensity and passion he puts into his career will rub off on others in way that I believe Cantona did for the younger players in the mid 90's.

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Good post, Brad! Vidal will surely have a galvanizing effect on the club if he comes in. I imagine the lads already train well day to day, but Vidal's intensity in matches can really translate into belief when it is needed the most.

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14 Jul 2014 09:36:19
Hi,

I just saw a post below about Adnan's number and I wanted to bring something up that was posted on the United Facebook page over the weekend. They asked who should wear the number 11 shirt next, and a good number (I would say around 50%) said nobody, retire it.

I was just wondering if this is the view of the casual Facebook followed fan or some of the more knowledgeable fans also that are on here?

In my opinion it is absolutely ridiculous to suggest we should retire a shirt because of one player. This club has too many legends to retire a shirt because a legend has worn one. Surely if we are doing that we should have retired number 2 when Neville retired, number 1 when Schmeichel left, and number 6 56 years ago when Duncan Edwards died.

Also we could have retired number 7 after George Best had it so that we never would have had Robson, Cantona and Ronaldo in the iconic shirt, they would have been wearing numbers 38, 51 and 65 or something like that.

People should be looking at the number 11 shirt as something that inspires them to play better, a player should want the iconic shirt if they are good enough to play for our great club.

By the way, I am taking nothing away from Giggs, he has been an utter legend, but he hasn't died in the shirt, he has just retired. In my opinion give it Januzaj and tell him to aim for what Giggs did, it could only inspire him.

Discuss.

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I think people suggesting retire the shirt need to put the whole thing into perspective, its just a number at the end of the day.

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14 Jul 2014 10:30:27
I agree GDS2, the shirt numbers were around a lot longer then any of the players and as you correctly say, they should be seen as an honour when given the opportunity to wear them. To say you played for Manchester United and wore the same number as club icons should be all the motivation young players need.

I don't believe Giggs would want it retired either. Perhaps they could do a design where the etch the name of the players who have become icons wearing those numbers on the number itself or on the shirt somewhere although I am not a fashion designer. But if it happens, you read it here first and I want my commission!

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I think Janujaz deserves a shot at it. Great on the ball, skips by his man, an eye for goal and a good delivery! You see him looking up to Giggs and Giggs is always giving him advice what better when than for Giggs to hand it over and nurture him through it as the assistant manager?

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Ludicrous to retire shirts. Players like Giggs already know they are respected, retiring a shirt is what persons do because they are incapable of showing appreciation with their words and actions. It's the same thing as an 80 year old man buying a 20 year old supermodel as a wife - so transparent and feeble.

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14 Jul 2014 09:15:36
Di Maria has agreed to sign for PSG.

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14 Jul 2014 07:48:53
I genuinely believe that Van Gaal wants to bring.for in Strootman regardless of getting Vidal. For me it would give us so many options and multiple systems we could play and would be our future captain if Van persie got it now.
The question is his fitness, I know he was originally out till October time. Is there any realistic chance of a mefical latter end of August?
If not then the options are Carvallho now or Stroosman in Jan and I think we will go for the latter and utilise Carrick/Anderson until then.

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14 Jul 2014 07:04:21
Can any of the eds help me out? I was wondering if a potential purchase of vidal would end any interest in William carvalho. The more I watch of vidal he's a great tackler and defensive presence but he doesn't sit deep like a traditional defensive mid and Herrera isn't a deep lying player either. Thx for your hard work!

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Not sure exactly, we seem to be looking at Gustavo as a cheaper option, so maybe just maybe we will sign three midfielders?

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Dont get vidal confused mate, he is not a defensive midfielder, he can sure tackle and read the game as good as one but he's an all action box to box player, if carvallho is a target of louis van gall then buying vidal will not change that as they have different roles as midfield players.

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13 Jul 2014 23:54:08
Has anyone got interest in draxler eds?thinking arsenals might have gone now they have Sanchez & I would love to see him in a united shirt?

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{Ed002's Note - MOTD fever.}

14 Jul 2014 09:09:27
Can you get MOTD fever for a player that was on the bench!?

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14 Jul 2014 09:40:09
I've heard the severest case of MOTD fever is when the player has sat on the bench the whole game and not played 1 minute of a match.

Get down to the doctors immediately!

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14 Jul 2014 00:12:18
I can't wait for LVG to get stuck into MUFC and shake things up a bit while he sorts out our current team. We are all hoping for those extra signings when we have gained 2 for loosing 3. We can talk all day about our owners and the debt or how many players were linked too. The first job LVG has got to do is trim the squad. then look at buying more players and that is if the Board are willing to stump up. Yes I hope we get Vidal and we would be all chuffed but let's get even more excited and boot out those under performance players who soak up large payments to kick a ball sideways and backwards and would not get a game in the championship. If we loose another 4 or 5 players then 2 more signings will look more likely as the pay roll is shortened

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