Manchester United Banter Archive May 14 2013

14 May 2013 15:27:06
Just heard a rumour that Moyes wants to take chelsea scout Mick Doherty to united to replace Martin Ferguson.
Have you heard anything eds? Or ed002 in particular?

Supasub {Ed002's Note - Nope.}

Could be true that as he used to be moyes scout at Everton.

I was sure I heard before the last game that martin is retiring too. I was wasted so i'm not too sure.

rddu

Martin Ferguson was useless anyway. He brought us the likes of bellion tosic obertan young Anderson nani.
So any change will be welcome. Personally, I will be getting the Dortmund scouting staff. They seem to do a better job than most.

Just found out that coleman was found for everton for £60k by Doherty and he also introduced Barkley to everton as an 11 year old just to name a couple of previous finds for Moyes. I asked the ed's to see if they might know something to verify but I was told by someone who used to play with Doherty that Moyes has asked Doherty in the last few days to go to united.

Supasub

Supasub

14 May 2013 23:01:23
Guys, how's did Andreas Perreria get on to tonight, read the match report and I know he got about 10 minutes at the end, did he get into the game at all? Really like the look of him, been excellent with daehli in the under 18's this season.

He came on with 10 minutes to go against 10 when 3-0 up, surprisingly it's pretty difficult to judge how he did! Good to see him get a run out though I agree.

14 May 2013 22:30:40
I think tomorrow morning should be straight on the phone to Wigan, 18 million and the pick of the U21's, two on loan for the season, for McCarthy and McManaman.

McCarthy would make a good squad player, but it's much too early to consider McManaman. Gibbs had him wrapped up most of tonight, and he's hardly a world-beating left back.

Neither are united class. Though I think macnamanam will be an excellent player. He's tenacious, and I don't think last nights display was a good example. They just won the fa cup and had to play less than three days later at arsenal. So it was always going to be a difficult one.
Nomidfield

18 MILLION no way 12-15 at the most McCarthy is worth about 8-10 Mcmanaman about 2-3 maybe four

14 May 2013 21:58:16
Just watched the U21s thrash Liverpool U21s. Januzaj was terrific. Lingaard and Cole also look ready for premier league loan stints. Tunnicliffe/Lingaard/Cole/Januzaj/Keane need more game time. otherwise they will see no improvements in thier game.

14 May 2013 21:15:46
Been busy in the lasymt week or so, but kept reading the site a couple of tines a day. A lot of new things have been going on, and it certainly looks as if we're about to have a very exiting transfer window.

First of all, like many others before me, I would like to thank sir Alex for everything he has done for the club. i'm one of the few who honestly thought that he might not be able to keep up tactically with younger managers, but he certainly proved his doubters wrong. The man was, and still is, the best manager ever. I saw some Liverpool fans saying he is as good as the likes of Shankley and Paisly, and that is as big as it gets for them.

As for the retirement of Scholes, I was a bit disappointed. Not because he shoukd have played on next season, but because he did what Paul Scholes does best, and stayed away from the limelight. He annonced his retirement hoping he would be unnoticed, eclipsed by saf's. But I, for one, am just as sad to see him retire. We will never have another Scholes.

Now for the Rooney debate. I said it in the past, but not many people agreed. Sydney, Shahram and co are spot on imo. When I first saw a 17 yo Rooney bossing games, I thought England is going to get themselves a new Bobby Charlton. His talent around that age eclipsed Ronaldo and was as unbeleivable as a young Messi. But for some reason, nothing worked out as planned. I know he is an England international, and argubly a world class player, but he could have been so much more. He has been gradually guetting slower, fatter, calmer. We all thought he is guetting mature and his best days were in front of him, but it appeared that the young Evertonian who first stepped on the scene with fire burning in his eyes, chasing every ball like a terrier, is not the same overweight red devil who wears our jersy atm. Imagine Roy Keane without his drive, that's what Wayne Rooney is without his " fire ".
That does not make me forget the fact that Rooney has done a lot for our club, and shoukd be treated with respect weather he decides to leave or stay. He might not be a legend for us, but he was one of our best players for nine years.
I also don't think he is a money grabbing je**, nor is he misinformed, he is simply a player who no longuer enjoys himself at the club after his value dimineshed slightly. So a big thank you for Rooney, but time for him to move on with all our gratitude ( unless he joins City of course ).

As for the Moyes appointment. I was disappointed at first and I thought Klopp would be a much better purchase, but there is no reason Moyes can't keep us successful. Fergy's best attribute imo was his ability to build teams and maintain consistency. Moyes has the same attributes. He also knows how to get the best out of his players, and that's always a big plus. Maybe he's not the best tactician, but that's what assistant coaches are here for. I think he's bright enough to be able to use the help of a qualified coach. I hope he makes Rene Mulesteen (? ) his number 2, unless we can get the likes of Solskjaer/ G Neville.

Now for our targets. I see we have been linked to the likes of Fellaini and Jagielka. I think Moyes is bright enough to know that he can get better players. Strootman should be nailed on, and if not, Axel Witsel, Wanyama or any other physical midfielder would do.

I also don't think Di Maria is the answer to our problens on the wing. I mean he is a good player, but there is a reason Real want to get rid of him. there are plenty of other younger alternatives who might cost more but who would probably go on to become better players. Lamela and Rodriguez are the prime examples, although if Januzaj is deemed ready, we might see a right footed winger who plays on the left. Ronaldo is the obvious choice but that might be more dream than reality. Draxler has been making a lot of progress but i'm not overly impressed tbh. Ill leave that one out to the other scouts on this page ( Shappy, help ). That might also not be as important as some would think, it all depends on what Zaha is capable of, and weather Young and Valencia are deemed surplus to requirements.

As for the Rooney replacement, I was thinking of a certain player who can play anywhere from number 6 to number 10. He can be the successor of Paul Scholes, while also beeing able to play for Kagawa when needed. He is also a Manchester United fan according to himself. That man is Fabregas. I know it would be hard to get him but he is a fantastic player and i'm sure we coukd persuade him of joining us. Oh and for those who don't believe the part where he supports Manchester United, just read his interview in 2009 before the away match to the emirats.

Lewandowski, that one is tricky. Obviously I woukd be delighted if he joins us, but that would mean the end for our little mexican. And i'm not sure he is a better number 9 than Van Persie, so unless we want to play with 2 strikers, or play Van Persie in a creative role ( I think he woukd be great at it ) we don't really need him. And for some reason I think he woukd rather join Bayern.

So a summer of Fabregas, Strootman, Rodriguez and Alex Sandro woukd be massive, while also guetting rid of Nani, Anderson, Rooney and hopefully Young.
Net spend woukd be around 30 m £.
Thoughts?

Mick

Good post Mick. I do think, however, that Lewindowski could play with RVP up front. Not sure Hernandez is really more than a fantastic sub.

Mick

Really good post. I've seen a fair bit of Zaha and he's very rough around the edges at the moment, but he does seem to have an uncanny knack to create space for himself with his first touch and is a little unorthodox. I think, if Moyes gives him freedom to develop like Fergie would have done, he has a chance of turning into a very good player. I definitely think he's already more capable than Young and Nani, and Valencia too - if he doesn't recover his form.

Rooney - don't agree completely. I was saying 18 months ago it was time to sell - the problem isn't his fire, isn't his pace, isn't his fitness. It's his touch and his pass selection, both of which have faded over time. He gets a lot of goals and assists because he involves himself heavily in games - but I think sometimes this is to the detriment of the game plan (I think Nani has a similar problem) and other players might get more space when he goes. He doesn't want to play for us anymore, and he has been with us a long time. Let him go find another challenge and see if he can get back to the player he once was. Problem is, a lot of players who play a lot in their teens start to fade at 25 / 26 (Owen and Fowler are prominent examples) so he might already be on the way down.

Fabregas and Strootman would be great signings (correction - Fabregas would be an amazing signing). I'd really like Di Maria at OT - he's destructive and direct, but I'd be happy with Rodriguez or Sanchez (obviously). Or Bale. Or Ronaldo. Not asking much, is it?

I do think there will be a couple of big signings in this summer just to help Moyes in his first season.

15 May 2013 00:39:42
Ah Mick, I missed your posts. They always strike a cord, and imo are spot on most of the time. I can't disagree with anything you said.

Fabregas would imo be the best replacement possible for Rooney. Although I do feel we could do with another striker and Lewandowski for me would be that man. Maybe if we signed Fabregas Strootman and Lewandowski we could play a 4312 type formation. With Carrick Strootman and Fabregas in the three Kagawa playing in the hole with RvP and Lewandowski upfront. With our full backs, width wouldn't be a problem, plus Kagawa and RvP would be given license to roam and find space.

As for Draxler I think he is a very promising player similar to Eriksen or Gotze. In that he is an attacking player who has no defined position but plays somewhere in between the midfield and the forward line. He seems to have been around forever even though he's still in his teens. I think he still has a fair bit of developing to do and considering we have Kagawa as well as Powell and Januzaj coming though maybe he isn't the type of player we need to be focusing on.

I think we are in for an interesting summer.

Mick I think all your signings there are very realistic but I can't help but think there may be one or two other better signings we could make.
I have not been able to see enough of Strootman to judge him though I have read an awful lot about him and there is conflicting opinions regarding him. Some feel he would be ideal for us some say he is nothing special and will be found out in a league that is faster with more quality. Now if we were to sign fabregas I think a true defensive midfielder is needed and I can't think of many about maybe Lars Bender, Vidal and Capoune but I think the most viable one would be Victor Wanyama. He is young and improving massively and a very under rated player on the ball. It will also be easier for him to adapt imo and could be cheaper (he is also a Manchester United fan).
Now on to left back I can't see us signing Sandro if we sign Rodriguez and Porto will charge us a fortune for both so I could only see us signing one Porto player and that would have to be Rodriguez. Now I'd go for Baines who I think is a far better than Sandro atm but that's because he is at his peak so he can help the likes of Buttner, Blacketts, Fabio, Rafael and even James from the reserves. Lastly I agree with not signing lewandowski but that's only because I would love us to sign someone world class to play behind RVP (with Hernandez covering RVP and Welbeck covering numerous positions in the forward line) so someone like Mesut Ozil would be fantastic. An attack of Rodriguez, Ozil, Kagawa and RVP would be up there with the best in the world imo and supported by Carrick/Wanyama and Fabregas it becomes a very good team on the ball as every one of those players is technically brilliant and Moyes will have them working very hard as well. I agree with your outs as well I reckon this year could be the end of Rooney, Anderson and Nani along with Evra and Young
The Red Manc

Mick

I think Rodriguez is definitely not on the cards and frankly put never worth 35 mill as reported.

Gaitan is a much higher probability and given the fact that everyone thought he was a done deal last year, I think after tonights Europa final we might see news coming that we are in for him or a deal is already done.

I am also inclined to believe Strootman and one big signing (striker or marque midfielder)will come in and that is the extend of our summer signings.

Personally, I would be delighted with Gaitan, Modric, Lewandowski.


Shahram {Ed004's Note - The thing is, I don't think Gaitan has the potential to be world class. He is good and could be a very good player for us but Rodriguez for maybe 10-15 million more could be world class and a future star in world football imo}

14 May 2013 21:14:05
Ed001, if you are about. Can I get your opinion and assessment of Adnan Januzaj?

Sydney! {Ed001's Note - ah I wondered what this would be over, I saw a couple of the other editors discussing him on the widget as well, it seems he is a hot topic. I think he has something about him, a bit of swagger, that says he will go on to make it. Not so sure he will be good enough to make it at United, but then I would never have believed you would pay that much for Zaha! The lad has some great ability, but needs to up his game in the final third, pick his options better. To do that he needs experience, to learn, I just don't see him getting enough chances with United. It is going to be very important to find him the right loan move, if he can get that, I think he will go on to be a very good player for you. He certainly looks a lot better than Cleverley did at his age, so he does stand a chance. He needs to take his cue from Rafael, who, much though he still has a lot to learn, has shown the desire to make those needed improvements and become a much better player through working hard. The worry is he will look at Anderson or Rooney, and slack off when not playing, lose his fitness, and never regain it properly. It is all in his hands though, not many can have that luxury!}

Ed001, thanks for the reply. Don't you think Zaha is worth £10m?

Sydney! {Ed001's Note - not in the slightest, he is an athlete masquerading as a footballer. There will be the odd game where he is devastating, but that is all, unless the coaching staff work hard with him. His decision making is the worst I have ever seen in a professional as well, it shows no sign of improving either. Bit of a big time attitude, according to some people that work with him, thinks he is great already, which worries me as he has potential to be great, not is great. If he thinks he is great already, he might very well fall into the trap of not working on his game hard enough.}

ED001

Interesting views on Zaha which I also share and will get blasted by the guys for it lol. Do you think he is good enough to make it at United.

Shahram {Ed001's Note - not as he stands, no. He needs to work hard at his game, and learn that it is a team game as well!}

ED001 who is currently the best youth player in your opinion? Januzaj? Boga of Chelsea? Gnabry? spring to mind?

RED91 {Ed001's Note - that is a tough one, but I don't think any of them to be honest. I would have to say surely Luke Shaw of Southampton would stand out considering how well he is performing in their first team! If you want a player still playing at the youth level, I have to say they have another young left back, Targett I think is his name, coming through that is actually looking better for his age! That would be the best in the English league, that I can think of anyway. It is difficult to judge the foreign leagues as I haven't had the chance to see much of them this season.}

Ed001, just an athlete is harsh. Walcott is just an athlete.

Zaha is probably one of the most skillful players in England.

Plenty of tricks/skills and his movement is very good. He has speed & strength.

My only issue with Zaha is his end product, but that is improving.

£10m isn't a lot of money, he is on low wages so not too much of a gamble IMO.

Sydney! {Ed001's Note - sorry but he is a fancy flicks and tricks player, yes, but that overly skillful, just tries to use flicks and tricks all the time. There are others with more skill, they just have the sense to use the tricks and flicks when they can be of use. There is a difference. As for the price, if you don't think that much money for an unproven kid is not a lot of money, you need help! No wonder football is turning into nothing more than a circus of vultures.}

Sydney

We all criticize nani for his poor decisions and sometimes being very selfish and all the silly trickery he tries and does not do the simple things well. Zaha has many of those same things that might frustrate the hell out of people and not as good as Nani's technically.

1. I am not convinced his trickery against better defenders will even work

2. I think he will give the ball away a lot.

I can't see how he will solve our issues on the wings short term meaning next 12 to 24 months and hope I am wrong but 10 million to me is also way too much money and 5 to 6 mill would have been fair price.

Shahram

Ed001, £10.3m in one go would be a lot of money agreed, but the fee will be paid in stage payments over the length of his deal. MU will not miss £2m a season. Especially if he contributes a few goals and assists next season.

Sydney! {Ed001's Note - I know it is not a lot to United, but still, it is a lot to put into a raw talent, when your youth system should be producing those. A club like United should be buying top class players and supplementing that with raw talent from its own academy. I find it worrying that such a good academy, as was, is failing to provide these raw talents on a consistent basis any more. Crewe manage it, so why can't United? That £2m a year could have gone a long way to improving the academy for the future, rather than being spent on one possible future talent who might never be good enough.}

To some extent I agree but I do think he will become a better player here! Ed001 who do you think will end up being a better player Thomas Ince or Zaha? {Ed001's Note - right now, much as I hate to say it as I detest his dad, horrible, arrogant man that he was when playing, but Ince is right now well ahead of Zaha. Long term, well that depends on a lot of factors, Ince again has an advantage, in that he is almost guaranteed to be playing regularly and that is why he is not jumping on a move to the Prem. Zaha will need to get regular first team football, along with the right coaching, then he could be great, without that, he could just end up stagnating, like so many other young talents do at big clubs. In my opinion, he needs the right loan move next season, one to a team that will give him the games he needs, in the Prem.}

{Ed001's Note - I know it is not a lot to United, but still, it is a lot to put into a raw talent, when your youth system should be producing those. A club like United should be buying top class players and supplementing that with raw talent from its own academy. I find it worrying that such a good academy, as was, is failing to provide these raw talents on a consistent basis any more. Crewe manage it, so why can't United? That £2m a year could have gone a long way to improving the academy for the future, rather than being spent on one possible future talent who might never be good enough. }

ED001 I could not have said it better. You should put your name in for our scouting role :)

Shahram {Ed001's Note - I will send off my application in the morning, with a note attached with your recommendation!}

14 May 2013 20:48:08
Ronaldo's contract at Real was reported in 2009 to be "£9.5 million in his first year - £183,000 a week - followed by a 25 per cent pay rise in each of the following five years of his contract. This would amount to £556,000 a week in the final year of his contract. "

Now there are several points to consider about this if true

1 He may want the same money if he moved which is so vast that very few could pay it bar PSG or city perhaps.
2 Real can't afford what would be £29m in his final year and would be desperately looking to either push him out the door now or renegotiate his deal quickly.
3 He may be happy to let his contract run down given the final year numbers

Whichever way it would take something notable to make him move from Madrid unless he was seriously unhappy. Yet if he won't sign a new deal for less money now (and why should he) it puts Madrid in a difficult spot, possibly to the point of having to sell. The thing is we won't pay that sort of money, even if I would like us to, so he will likely sit it out. Still in a way the amount of salary could push Madrid to sell for less of a fee than they would like if they really want to move him on and it could make them more willing to do business

Red Man

Tbh I think madrid have already taken that into account and given the revenue from shirt sales etc I don't think it will be that much of a problem, besides they would just get the banks to bail them out again lol

Redman

Where do you get those numbers from?

I understand he took a pay cut from what he was being paid at United when he went to Madrid and pretty sure he is earning something around 12 to 14 million Euros a year at the moment.

Shahram

Red Man's figures are spot on.

PSG will be his next club I'd imagine.

Perhaps a small chance of getting him next summer if he doesn't sign a new deal.

Sydney!

Shahram

I was quoting Mark Ogden of The Telegraph from 11 Jun 2009 for the salary numbers. Mark Ogden I believe broke the SAF retirement last week and may have also got the Mancini story

Red Man

RedMan's figures are spot on for what was reported, Sydney!, but they're not what most reporters in Spain believe he's on - Shahram's estimate sounds much much closer. It's more likely the contract had a 25% in-built increase across it's life and somebody got their wires crossed.

PSG? 75% tax?????
Steve

Syd/RedMan

I know he is pretty good journalist and also broke the Mancini story, however I posted in January that Mancini was going. Most people think it was the FA cup loss but there was a lot more to it than people realize.

I also understand that the terms being offered to Ronaldo for an extension which is higher than what he is on is something in the region of 300k and puts him on par with Messi.

The media seems to always over exaggerate when it come to this stuff. I have seen 15 mill sprouted around on Zaha in numerous articles where Sydney seems to be sure it is 10. 3.

Finally at 556k would make him the worlds highest paid athlete and doubt it.

Shahram

Shahram/Dark, Ronaldo's salary is no secret in Spain. The Telegraph and Guardian both had the same info and the source/info is from Spain, not England. You would have to be pretty naive to think Ronaldo took a pay cut to join RM. Ronaldo has also said in the past two years that he makes £300k a week. The Guardian/Telegraph article was printed the same week Ronaldo agreed to join RM. Don't forget he currently pays just 23% tax on his salary.

Sydney!

14 May 2013 20:28:40
Nani + £40 million for Bale. Worth it? {Ed004's Note - Yes}

So basically £55m? No way. When his pace deteriorates so will he.

Brendan

Brendan,

Where do you get 55 million from? I make it 30!

Which might be 5-6 years away

Tbf bale is a professional, is in great shape and does yoga and stuff like giggs, his pace will last a at least 5 years in which we would more exciting to watch so 40 million minus merchandising over a few years would be a bargain, plus we would be a better balanced team, kagawa taking rooneys spot so bales wages not really an issue, and who's to say he wouldn't improve like ronaldo did going from that 'one trick pony' to one of the best ever?

GDS

Nani = £15m
Cash = £40m

40m + 15m = £55m unless Spurs are giving us a £25m cash back deal :-)

Bale is not on the same level as Ronaldo, why pay basically £55m for him when ronaldo would be about the same and will last at least until his mid 30's at the top of his game?

I doubt either will come anyway.

Brendan81

GDS, why does no-one ever get your sarcasm? :)

Brendan,

Thanks for the explanation, I really was confused.

No name,

It's ridiculous isn't it!

Sorry, forgot to stick my moniker on it mate.

14 May 2013 20:13:01
Sydney, Depps

I didn't see Moon's post but why the fuss over the comparison of Carragher to Giggs and Scholes? Clearly he is nowhere near as talented as either and has not won much, but he plays for his home town club ( even though he was an Everton fan apparently), has committed his whole career to them, and always plays with passion. Is it wrong for a United fan to acknowledge that, does this somehow show disloyalty? And Deeps, can you not be both a United fan and a football fan? Just trying to understand your shock.

Oops, *Deeps*

And I've seen it now, don't know what the all the fuss is

AJH

This is just due to some history that "The Moon" has and the quote "First a football fan and then a United fan" was used a long time ago. A little tired to possibly remember.

There are no problems with both of them going hand in hand, but being a football fan first and then a United fan comes across as "I support United, but that's a rather passive affair".

Deeps.

And I may be completely wrong about him I must confess. But his posts in the past and a lot of other statements, make me think what I said in the previous post. But each one to its own. I just said, "I am not surprised, Moon said it" in my original post.

Deeps.

Deeps

Must have been before I found this site. I don't always agree with Moon but I have no problem with his Carragher comment. Hate the club but he's a good pro and like Giggs and Scholes, one of a dying breed.

14 May 2013 19:53:06
I believe Rio Ferdinand's contract runs out after the last game of the season against West Brom on sunday.

Anything on if he will be offered a new contract or not? If not, does this mean more game time for Jones/Smalling or could Jagielka or someone else be on their way to replace Rio?

14 May 2013 19:32:09
Chris

I agree that the Rooney story spoiled SAF's special day and you may have realised I am not a big Rooney fan; trust me, there's a lot I could say about him. I just think some of the dog's abuse is unnecessary. As has been said, he appears to be a bit thick and immature and for some reason insecure. SAF has built success on nobody being bigger than the club so it's time for him to go, just don't think we need to resort to abusing him. Just my view

Fully agree AJH - those who abuse him are even more immature than he is.

I have noticed your stance on Rooney and am quite pleasantly surprised by your post. A lot of people forget he did not come up through the ranks and is not United through and through but over his time here he has given his all for a team that is not his own. I have defended him on more than one occasion and I think he is struggling with fitness because of the many injuries he has picked up throughout his career. You can look at what is shown or printed in the papers but I think playing while he was injured has somehow derailed his career. His fitness has suffered and in turn his place in the team has come under intense scrutiny. He is disappointed which is a good thing and it is widely known that he doesn't make great decisions but let's see what happens before we condemn him. End of the day he could be here next season fighting for our great club to challenge for trophies yet again next year. If he leaves I wish him the best of luck in his future. People who were expecting him to be a Giggs or a Scholes are naive. I for one think that we should strengthen the parts of the team that need work. Instead of forcing round pegs in square holes then tearing them to shreds for not doing a job that isn't their own. I hope he signs on and works hard to prove his worth but this may not happen. We will see but hating him while he is a Manchester United player will not help anyone it will only make it harder for Moyes in his first season. Exciting summer to say the least.

And also as everyone correctly say, while he's a united player, we must get behind him.
Nomidfield

14 May 2013 18:45:41
Who will challenge Epl for next season. the top 3 sides has changed/probably having new managers. I think there is a great chance both arsenal ans spurs will push for it. the new managers may take time on their sides. I think it will be a close one.

Well Liverpool of course - it is next season and they are always going to win - Next Season

I think it will be between us and Chelsea next season. I believe City will buy many 1st team players this summer and as a result they will get time to settle, costing them much needed points.

I think Arsenal might surprise a few next year.

City - depends how well Pellegrini adapts to the EPL and whether the fault lines in the squad start bubbling to the surface now the press don't have Mancini to snipe at.

Chelsea - I'm not convinced. Jose hasn't done an earth-shattering job at Madrid, and the squad lacks the strong defensive base he likes to work from. There'll be a lot of pressure if he has a bad patch, and the Emanole situation still has a lot to play out.

I'd guess one out of those 2 will be in the mix, 1 will implode.

Spurs - well, they probably only need 2 or 3 strikers, a central defender and one midfielder to be in the hunt. Oh, and a superstar when Bale goes to Madrid.

I too have a feeling that Arsenal will come up. they done brillianltly this season eventhough vanpersie was sold to us and their signings made are actually very good. they just nessd to add a defencive Md and good keeper. with the reported 70 M, I think they will be up for it.

14 May 2013 17:01:48
Maybe its just me as usual not trusting a thing that the spud faced nipper and his agent do but would any of you be that surprised if all of a sudden there is an announcement that Rooney wants to end his career at United and signs a new deal. So he will have fooled us all got a bigger better deal and we will be expected to celebrate as though Moyes has made a major signing. He has completely disrespected the club and its supporters twice surely there can't be one person out there who wants him to stay.

Totally agree, Kloot

DL10

I want him to stay, he is a great player why wouldn't I want grey players at our club?
Bet you'd love Ronaldo back, he asked to be transferred and even stated where.

Kloot, this is Deeps.

Deeps, Kloot.


Danny Pughnited

The difference being that Ronaldo is actually still a great player as opposed to Rooney who is a shadow of his former self. A £250k per week player he is not.

TK-Red

14 May 2013 17:42:12
ronaldo stated that his dream is 2 play for real madrid he didn't use this 2 get a bigger pay day at united and even gave 1 more year 2 united this is the 2nd time rooney asked 2 leave doesn't deserve 250 000 a week so gud riddance if he does leave

Leave a name or be ignored

DL10

Yes rooney is a good player and any team would love him but for 250k that's a joke, too inconsistent and too many spells of being unfit. With a 250k wage you could pay the wages of lew, strootman, di maria and baines and probably still have a few grand left over.

Plus not many know that rooney is on a higher wage than cristiano and messi!

Sulei

Nice one Danny ;)

I know my view is anything but popular, but that's how I think. What is the fun in towing the party line anyways.

TK

He is not even close to 250 k a week.

Deeps.

14 May 2013 18:16:44
Thing is Rooney seems have been just going through the motions the last couple of months. Ronaldo even though he knew he was leaving still put in plenty of effort. Who would I want now? Ronaldo obviously.

Can people please stop with this 250k crap, he is not on that till his final year of his contract and he still has 2years left, it is currently 180k (max) next year it will be 220k (max) and these are with incentives!

i am NOT defending him and I too think we will be better off without him (and have been saying so for months) but that 70k a week is a big difference, given what he has done for the club I would prob expect him to be his current level (150-180k), however on his current form I would NOT say he deserves anything more and could see any new deal coming with a lot conditions & incentives

dags

Danny

LMAOF Ding Ding, We are Live!

Shahram

Rooney dosent suit moyes hard working fast style of football

Deeps that is my main reasoning behind selling Rooney. Before he asked to leave, had he been willing to take a pay cut then I would've been happy enough to see him stay but, in the current climate and when you look at where the wages could be better spent, I feel it is time for him to go. The fact that he has asked to leave our club for a 2nd time just cements that opinion in my mind.

TK-Red

Just my two cents worth but I don't think we should give up on Rooney just yet.

he's been out of form for much of the season and acted like a total tool, but I think he could turn it round.

with a fresh strart under Moyes, all it would take is an apology for letting his frustration at himself get on top, plus a commitment to get himself in top condition for next season.

we all make mistakes but if we can retain a fit, hungry and contrite Rooney then that's got to be good for utd.

if however, Rooney can't see his error and spends his summer smoking fags and eating chips, then I hope he sods off somewhere else.

Andrew b

Dags

150 to 180 is a lot of money and you would be surprised how very few players are on that sort of money. We are not getting 150 to 180 value from him or whatever he is on.


Rant Rant

People say he is being played out of position, this is a cop out. He can't play upfront anymore as he has lost his sharpness and he is wasteful playing behind the main striker and gives the ball away too many times with silly passes or a poor first touch and defensively not great. Finally he is absolutely ineffective on the wings as he has no pace and most FB can give him a 2 yard head start and will catch him within 10 yards.

If you were the manager where do you play him and do you really think SAF does not know who deserves to be on the pitch and who does not?

Before his latest charade started, I and few others have maintained all along that his best days are behind him and we should cash in on whatever value he has and replace him. We are not replacing the wayne rooney of 2008/2009/2010, we are replacing the Wayne Rooney of 2011/2012/2013 and it is replacing a player who is declining and not that integral to our setup.

The idea that he is upset because he is not playing and hence we should justify the second transfer request by cuddling him and keeping him at the club does not wash.

On this basis half the squad will be asking for a transfer because they are not getting what they want or upset at being subbed.

He should have parked his ego and taken a look at himself in the mirror and wondered why he is not starting and being subbed and it is purely down to his poor form. As they say you made your bed now you get to lay in it.

If we accept this sort of thing from him and take him back, What happens next time when he does not get what he wants, a third transfer request?


Finally, I am 10 times more worried about who is coming in to shore up our midfield and improve our wing play and frankly could not care at all if he left tomm.


Shahram

14 May 2013 20:22:30
@TK-Red,
So you mean that its ok for a player in form to disrespect the club?

Fergie

That's no what TK means, nor what he said. Read it again

Shahram I actually agree with you that we are not getting value for what we are spending on him, but given what he has done for the club and how important he USED TO BE for us when he signed that contract, I can see why he is on that much.

over the years when one important player leaves another steps up that extra level to shine, personally if rooney leaves I think it could be the making of phil jones, I honestly think that he would be brilliant in a midfield with strootman or carrick and could really drive us forward. I know a lot of you will think he will be a great cb (he could be a perfect replacement for vidic in a season or so) but keane would have made a great defender but his other qualities made him perfect for midfield, and jones shares a lot of those qualities, I will put my neck on the line here but for me jones will be the next captain if he goes into midfield now and not wait to replace vidic in 2-3seasons time

14 May 2013 16:27:11
Nice stats for you guys

Rooney "So called world class forward"

Premier League
Games 27
Goals 12
Assists 10
Minutes Played 2014

Champions League
Games 6
Goals 1
Assists 5
Minutes played 461

FA-Cup
Games 3
Goals 3
Assists 0
Minutes played 270

League Cup
Games1
Goals 0
Assists 0
Minutes played 75

Total
Games 37
Goals 16
Assists 15
Minutes played 2820
Goals per minute Ratio 176

Now look at Hernandez

Premier League
Games 21
Goals 9
Assits 4
Minutes played 863

Champions League
Games 6
Goals 3
Assists 0
Minutes played 440

FA-Cup
Games 6
Goals 4
Assists 2
Minutes played 488

League Cup
Games 2
Goals 1
Assists1
Minutes played 180

Total
Games 35
Goals 17
Assists 7
Minutes played 1971
Goals per minute Ratio 115

Random post but I wanted everyone on here to see these stats as they don't lie

Richmond

Maybe look at the position both players play and have played in these games? Would Hernandez have these stats if he was doing a job at LM?

I'm not defending Rooney here and I love Hernandez but not really a fair comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I love Hernandez, but these stats are just numbers. They don't consider the fact that Rooney has played a much deeper role (no. 10, CM etc) than Hernandez.

14 May 2013 17:19:46
Sorry i'm being thick, long day at work, but what's your point? The stats for Rooney look good when you add goals and assists together. So are you saying Rooney's had more effect than people think? Or are you saying Hernandez is just as effective in less playing time?

Stats are deceiving. Torres has 21 goals this year (not sure how many assists).


Shahram

Obvious flaw in your stats that don't lie is rooney out of position for a lot of games, not defending him but childish posts like these really are annoying.
mick the red fireman.

The point I am getting at is Game time hernandez hasn't played that much and he hasn't moaned while Rooney who plays more than most is. While stats show that Hernandez is the player I would want instead of that over paid cry baby.

Hernandez is on let's say 70k a week max, loves the club and everything about it

Rooney 250k a week and is not happy handed in his transfer not once but twice.

So my question is. Is Rooney really worth it?

Richmond

Mick, while stats don't tell the full story, I agree, can you tell me why the OP was "childish"? Not having a dig directly at you mate but a lot of posters on here seem to like to use that word as if they think calling someones post childish some how shows their own maturity. Pick apart someone's argument by all means but the last thing we want is this page taking on a school playground mentality.

TK-Red

Rooney scores more "goals per minute" so is the better player?!

Also, wasn't Hernandez pretty peed off round Christmas time due to lack of game time? Noises in the press hinting at some unrest in the camp I seem to remember, that was when people stared to talk about Hernandez to Madrid.

It's healthy to want to play, but Rooney's too thick to go about it in the right way. You could argue he's earned a fortune out of how he's played utd.

But in the end he'll have to go, the fans will not forget. those who did last time will join KLOOT's side I feel this time. Hope he's washed this week ;)

Careful TK or the banter police will be after you, I've been collared a few times for similar offences

14 May 2013 13:37:34
Just a quick post on recent transfer (I ain't got no sources, just a football perspective).

Fellaini not mobile enough for Utd midfield.

Madrid have a list of offloads, Gill not the only chairman invited! Utd interested in Modric/Ozil (forget DiMaria, overrated). Ronaldo deal will never happen. Madrid will up the ante for Lewandowski. they'll buy anyone who scores 4 against them.

Fabregas thing might have legs, if you don't ask.

I've posted before (last summer) on James McCarthy but I think this year it'll happen.

No strikers. Rooney will be alright!

I think Mccarthy could be an option the lad wil be a beast in years to come could be our very own roy Keane. Hope your right

CAIN {Ed007's Note - :-)

Listen mate just because he's Irish and plays in midfield dosent mean he's another Roy Keane better than Anderson and Cleverly all right but no Roy Keane just think of he has the passing of Carrick then legs of Cleverly and the drive of an in form Anderson

Don't get the love for McCarthy. never seen him dominate a game or show anything like Keane quality.

Andrew b

"he has the passing of Carrick then legs of Cleverly and the drive of an in form Anderson"

Sign him up :)

Shahram

14 May 2013 19:13:05
as long as he doesn't have cleverley's drive and anderson's legs

Blimey, a quality post from a no name

He should get one

14 May 2013 13:13:26
When I hear the name 'Wayne Rooney' the first thing that strings to mind is that goal vs City. This goal I believe completely encapsulates him as a player in our team at present. Quiet, un-involved, second best, under the standard and then 'defies description', brilliant, unbeatable, unplayable, the best.
What will happen to Rooney this summer is anyone's guess but I remember the guy that has brought hope to this team and country over the past 9 years. The hat trick on his CL debut, his goal against Newcastle, the red card against Portugal. Rooney needs to be loved, and the big question I think that needs answering right now is do the club, fans still love him? If not it is time for him to go.

One transfer request too many I fear.
Thanks for everything though Rooney, it won't be forgotten one way or the other.

Paul

I think, more recently especially, that the 'defies description' part of his game is being seen less and less.

He doesn't have that spark anymore I don't think, and he doesn't look hungry to win things at the club.

I was at the parade, I didn't sing his name or boo him, but it wasn't much of a split with the rest, a lot singing and a lot booing as well.

I think he's lost his place as a talismanic player for us, and as I've said before the fact that I wouldn't mind him leaving is a stark contrast to a couple of years ago, so maybe it is time he left.

Rooney of a few years ago, I'd beg to stay every time but I just don't see him refinding that sort of form.

14 May 2013 13:01:46
Bayern Munich are going to have a team of bobby dazzlers next season. Apparently Neymar to Bayern is a done deal whilst we are being linked with Jagielka, can't see it happening though as we already have plenty of strength in the centre.

Supasub

Neymar to everywhere is a done deal these days

Neymar is so overrated! He ain't that special, its only because he is Brazilian and people like Pele big him up.
I actually rate Oscar and Moura more.
However Bayern are acquiring some fantastic talent, which will make them a very dominate force in Europe. Although I believe this will hinder the German League greatly as I can't see Bayern being dislodged from the top, especially when you consider they have brought in two of Dortmunds star players!. Also it is great to buy these players but firstly they have to gel and Guardiola has to implament his new system, which will be a lot harder than when he was at Barcelona.
Where he grew and rose through the ranks with his players at Barcelona, he has to adjust to a new climate and culture, with brand new players which can not be the easiest thing to do!

aaallj5

Don't believe everything you read. I cannot see Neymar at Bayern. Not for a second.

TK-Red

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't neymar play lw/fwd? the same place robben plays and the same position as goetze who has only just signed/ agreed to sign and who robben is appartently making way for? (i can see robben ending up at city)

the german league (like ours) is quite physical, and with neymar being a quite lightweight can not see him playing there (and for the same reason nor in england). for me he will either go to spain or italy, most likely one of barca or real, and given the difference in play when messi is missing my money would be to barca

Don't robben any goetze play right wing

Ross

That's what I tought

Goetze plays on the left wing too, he can pretty much play anywhere, he is that good.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - Gutted we missed out on him. The perfect Rooney replacement imo}

ED004

I was thinking the same today. I wish rooney had put in his transfer request a few months back. I would like to believe we would have activated Goetze's release clause. I will take Ozil or fabergas tomm as a replacement.

Shahram {Ed004's Note - I reckon if Fabregas is signed he would play deeper so isn't really a replacement for Rooney}

14 May 2013 11:58:45
Fergie, Giggs and Moyes meeting to discuss about Rooney. Look like they all want him to stay.

And personally so do I. I don't understand why many of you like to see his back. Yes, he is not playing well for even last to years, but I still trust him and will never forget what he has done to the club. Nani, Anderson, Welbeck. also dis nothing, Young too.
Rooney is victim of tactics, moved beyond the strikers in the middle. He is still one of the best players in the world. Give him a proper motivation and he will do anything.

Steppenwolf

Everybody seems to be saying that Moyes needs to land a marquee signing to win over the fans. IMO, keeping Rooney at the club and getting him back to his best would be far more of an indication that he has what it takes to manage at the top.

redseven

Steppenwolf, were you a fly on the wall? How could you possibly know what the talks were about? Let alone that they all want him to stay? HOW?

Sydney!

Rooney is a victim of poor diet, excess drinking, smoking, loss of pace and thinking he is better than he is. He is being moved around positions as he isn't good enough now to hold onto one position. Take your blinkers off.

Brendan81

Don't believe for 1 minute that Sir Alex would include Giggs in any such decision more like Giggs was used to contact Gareth Bale and introduce him to both Sir Alex & Moyes (conference call)
Selling him the dream ticket!
Dylan

Totally agree with Brendan81, let the lad go. United do not keep players that do not want to be there.
NOONE IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB.

Joe. a

Nobody can doubt Rooneys ability but let's face it that he hasn, t shown the potential, we should be talking about him being one of the best players in the world but his performances over this season make him look very ordainary no hunger, no determination and no will to improve. Some have said because of his physique he has to work harder than most other players. If this is the case then let him off now if he can't do it with us he won't do it anywhere. We might have got his best years out of him. He has damaged his relationship with the fans which will never be repaired.

Steppenwolf, Was you hiding under the table while the 3 were talking?

Totally agree Joe

Brendan81

14 May 2013 18:11:37
Two transfer requests in three years and multiple strops and poor performances and you trust Him? If he doesn't want to be here he knows where the exit door is.

If this is true, giggs inclusion could be the more interesting story here, as I think (or rather hope) he will become the new no. 2 in time with (hopefully) rene meulensteen taking up the position till such a time

that is however, probably more just wishful thinking, and giggs inclusion simply down to the fact sir alex values his opinion and to get the feeling from the dressing room.

personally I can see rooney going, I think sir alex wants him gone, and I know it sounds strange, but getting rid of him would be a way of keeping continuity, as even though rooney has been an integral part of the team, when a player has gotten 'too big' saf got rid. so by doing as sir alex would and letting rooney go, we don't lose that sense of 'the team' mentality whilst also proving moyes authority.

tbh if rooney stays I will be a little dissapointed, not so much as the player (he is still a good player) but more the message it would send, if he does stay on and comes back next season in a similar shape to the start of this one, I simply couldn't see him finishing the season with us

14 May 2013 12:06:27
I would be absolutely devastated if Rio left our club, if you look at all of the celebrations he always seems to be in the middle of them. You can tell he loves the club (Unlike a certain overpaid striker).

If he goes we will be losing not only one of our best players but what looks like a very big figure in the dressing room.

I can't see us losing Rio, I think the club wants him to saty on after he has retired. He has a great business brain as well as a strong passion not just for United but Manchester in general!
I think we will offer him a new contract but he will not feature a smuch as he has, but still he would continue to be an ever presence figure in the squad for seasons to come.

aaallj5

No need to bring Samuel Eto'o into this!

Rio will give another season I reckon, then Smalling and Jones will step up. Keane to replace him in the squad

Please no Phil Jag - what's the point?

How did you know I meant Eto'o? ;) and Moyes and co would be stupid to let him go. I wouldn't read too much into the Jagielka rumour, he got made captain a few weeks ago.

14 May 2013 11:09:11
WILFRIED ZAHA

In peoples honest opinions, what level do we think Wilfried Zaha can reach, and how far will his career with Manchester United go?

To offer my opinion;

I think the guy is obviously talented, very very raw and has a reasonably bright future. Doesn't seem to have the quickest feet, so I don't think he's going to dazzle Old Trafford with like Ronaldo, etc. I think when he arrives he'll be put on the Ronaldo/Valencia diet to bulk him up, as he looks like he has the frame to carry the additional muscle/bulk.
Technically, he doesn't strike me as anything particularly special, however I don't think it's a issue as I think he'll be moulded into a quick, strong, powerhouse type forward/winger.

I'll be honest however, his purchase still does surprise me a little as it seems as though United were very much going down the route of aquiring players who technically superb (i. e. kagawa, Powell), and I for one wouldn't place Zaha in in that catagory (I may be wrong?). In some ways, he does actually remind me of a young Valencia in his Wigan days.

Very much interested in the thoughts of others on this?

WF Red Devil

What do you define as technical?

ZigZag

I think with time, effort on Zaha's part and first team opportunities we could have a very very good player on our hands. Not at the level of Ronaldo etc but better than Valencia, Nani, Young etc. I just hope he comes and gives 110% and gets his head down as apparently his brother is a total c*ck so I hope he doesn't get distracted.

Brendan81

He's quite raw at the minute like when we signed Ronaldo and nani
He's got 2 paths which he can go down and we all know which 1 we'd like him to take!
Warrington red

He hasn't even worn the shirt yet and we're already trying to label his career and put a barrier on his potential, let the lad play for god sakes.

Hes got the potential to be great, that's all atm, he a very good young player, I would put him in the phil Jones bracket.
Chris the REDman

14 May 2013 10:46:02
Moon, how can you even name Carragher in the same breath as Giggs and Scholes, you should be ashamed of yourself. I nearly threw up on my laptop reading that nonsense.

Sydney!

When it comes to importance to their clubs - I'd say they are on a par. When it comes to ability - Scholes and Giggs are streets ahead.

Was it on the 'Pool banter page? Can't see it here. I won't be surprised though. He has always been a "football fan" first and a "Manchester United" fan later.

Deeps.

Deeps, it was on the LFC page, I couldn't believe my eyes. Kloot would have a field day.

Sydney!

I for one will need subtitles when he speaks on sky next year


Ms85

14 May 2013 09:38:20
I know that they are only rumours but these kind of rumours are the ones that worry me.

"Moyes set to raid former club for Phil Jagielka"

I just hope that this is lazy journalism and that there is no truth in this.
Since the appointment of Moyes this is something that has bothered me since day one of his appointment. What players will he bring in and will he be on the same wave length as Man United in relation to what kind of player is needed for this club to go forward.
The only players anywhere near the level of our club at Everton are Baines and I suppose Fellaini but i'm not really a big lover of him.
We really need to be looking at the likes of Strootman, Bale, Rodriguez, Ronaldo, Fabregas to name but a few.

Simmo

14 May 2013 10:43:09
I just want Moyes to come out and say that he won't be signing any of his former players for United. Baines is the only player they have that would be a good target, but for how much he would cost and when you consider his age as well. Then he is probably best left at Everton. Fellaini is a good player, but his style isn't the United style. We could get better suited players for half the cost.

14 May 2013 11:10:01
Why you guys even respond to this drivel god only knows, it's like you're still doubting Moyes, constantly trying to re assure yourselves that he'll be ok.

As an Arsenal fan I'm way more concerned you have taken him as you're new manager than I would be if you'd got that classless tw4t Mourinho.

Do yourselves a favour and chill. Unfortunately I think you may be pleasantly surprised.

Finally Rooney for Wilshere ain't happening. Period.

Stoner

Stoner I agree with you 100%, also on the Rooney/Wilshere thing too. I'd take him any day but he isn't leaving Arsenal anytime soon. Rooney will go abroad, probably France where he will shine in a poor league.

Brendan81

Stoner

I think your the one who needs to chill. Calm down it's only a rumour page which is exactly what I put.

Simmo

Stoner,

I agree with the Moyes thoughts and finally that is great deal for you guys :)

Imagine the great Rooney in an Arsenal shirt and that hopeless Wilshire in a United shirt :)

Shahram

14 May 2013 13:20:35
Simmo,

Nice try mate but it wasn't me being concerned or worried, just replying to your post with a bit of banter. No offence was intended.

Stoner

14 May 2013 13:22:28
Shahram,

I'm really struggling to imagine that. lol. ;-)

Stoner

14 May 2013 09:15:28
Ok let's see where people are on this whole Rooney situation, do u want to keep him or sell him?
Simple answers no long text, just so we can see which side of the fense people sit on.
I want him gone.
Chris the REDman

I would only sell if a replacement is signed beforehand.

Sydney!

14 May 2013 10:21:45
Sadly I say move him on.

Gone. Once is unfortunate, twice is taking the p1ss. Pity.

Keep him!

Red Bear

Keep him. Still one of the best we have.

Wouldn't be at 20 without him!

Sell him if he isn't focused and as Syd said sell him only if we get a big name in.

singh

I posted a rather long message on here last night giving my views on the matter. I'm really hoping that he stays and that Moyes can get him back to his best. It would certainly help if he's played in the right position as well!

People are forgetting that Ronaldo - somebody who I'm sure we'd all have back at the club in an instant - did something similar shortly before his exit from the club. Granted - he was and is a better player - but it being his boyhood dream (to play for RM) isn't too dissimilar from Rooney simply wanting to play football!

Sell him

Richmond

Sell him and reinvest the funds into improving the squad.

Shahram

I'm with Syd, sell him but only if we have a replacement brought already.

-JakeW

14 May 2013 08:17:19
SAF said we must all support the manager

The fans should be on board now we have had our grumbles but did SAF also mean the board? Mr Ed no retooling Woodward needs to support Moyes, but will he? Or will SAF message fall on deaf ears? We need quality not average squad additions and Mr Woodward needs to deliver more this summer than most to help our new manager

Ronaldo and Fabregas would be a good start with Zaha already but whilst that would be great we have too often just fallen short in the market. We can't afford to now

Red Man

Red Man, you will be sorely disappointed this summer if you are expecting Ronaldo and Cesc to be signed. We are looking at Di Maria and Strootman.

Sydney!

Seems Redman is suggesting shopping at waitrose while syd is suggesting shopping at tesco lol
Chris the REDman

Chris, Could be worse, could be shopping at Poundland like Liverpool.

Sydney!

U can pick up bargins at poundland, there gunna need a lot of bog roll to clean up that pile of s****,
Chris the REDman

The problem will be when Chelsea are shopping at M&S and Bayern, Barca and Madrid at Harrods

If Sydney is right we may have to be very patient with the new manager

Red Man

Red Man, Ronaldo has a buyout clause of 100m euros (£87m). That is more than RM aid for a 23/24 year old Ronaldo. Surely you wouldn't expect us to pay that for a 28/29 year old Ronaldo? Cesc Fabregas is an Arsenal fan and Arsenal will have first option on him and a decent amount of cash this summer. So if he became available (unlikely), then Arsenal are well placed to bring him back to England.

I think you are being a little unrealistic with your wishlists. We have heavily scouted Lewandowski, Strootman & Di Maria. They will be the most likely mate.

Sydney!

Sydney

You seem to forget that Fabregas might not want to go back to Arsenal. He surely want's to win trophies and he isn't going to do that at Arsenal so what would be the point of him going back.
I think if Barca do want to sell and we made an offer and Arsenal did I think he would choose us over Arsenal any day of the week.
Add to the fact RVP plays here as well.

Simmo

13 May 2013 17:21:52
Quick question for the eds, now Manchester United have bought Sky's share of MUTV in the future is it at all plausible that united would charge a subscription to watch the united matches and do it all in house like? I know I'd happily pay 20/25 pound a month to view MUTV and all the matches or is it a complete non goer?

Thanks for you time

LUKE CHADWICKS LOVE CHILD {Ed002's Note - Not in the short term.}

The Premier League sell the TV rights to games collectively as far as I know, and divide it between the 20 clubs.

Can't see that changing anytime soon, I think the sort of money they receive is heavily reliant on a United audience.

14 May 2013 05:31:56
Rooney stays. Rooney stays. Rooney stays. That being said the Fabregas rumor is shocking, unlikely to be true, but wow. Him and carrick in CM, and an attacking four of RVP, Rooney, Ronaldo and Kagawa. Excuse me while I change my pants.

I hope Rooney goes, I am only intrested in players who want to play for the club. let's hope some club takes that Fat person off our hands

Richmond

Or Carrick and Strootman (more likely) and then Kagawa just behind Zaha and Ronaldo and RVP up top.

I'd be very happy with that but probably won't happen.

Brendan81

14 May 2013 01:10:54
Amazing turn out for the Champions Parade and Mancini getting sacked all in one day, I'm dreaming surely?! Lmao

ALDUtd

14 May 2013 00:30:00
Just a thought, PSG reveal approach from Madrid today for Ancelotti, then City sack Mankini tonight. Mourinho to City not Chelsea? To get at us for not giving him Fergie's job & Abramovich for not payin the £17m compo? Its the timing of the escalation in all this that's making me wonder, unless Jose to Chelsea is done, which I don't think it is, I think this could have legs, I hope not. And for what it's worth I'd of gone for Ancelotti at United. Perfect fit! Your thoughts guys please. MAD DOG.

Sorry mate, Ancelotti for me, is a quick-fix, steady the ship kind of manager. A very good and experienced one no doubt, but not the type needed to keep our club evolving from the grassroots.

Ancelotti at the right club is a stayer & loyal. How long was he at AC Milan? It wasn't his choice to leave Chelsea. But then Abramovic is Abramovic. At PSG he has done a decent job, just as he does everywhere, now Real have come knocking & he won't refuse it. He is a terrific coach & an even better manager with the experience of winning leagues, cups & champions leagues. He doesn't fall out with players or hierarchy, he is respectful & looks for continuity & youth. He can attract the top players & it's no surprise he is successful, he will be a success at Madrid too. You have a right to your opinion Stevie, I understand that, but he really isn't a quick fix manager like Jose, nothing like it in my opinion & would have been a perfect replacement for Sir Alex. Mad Dog.