Manchester United Banter Archive October 14 2012

 

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14 Oct 2012 23:26:22
Hi, as a massive fan of De Gea I was wondering how long everyone thinks he will stay at the club for, personally I see him having a long career here maybe 10+ years but barca or Madrid could come sniffing before.
Everyone's opinion welcome,
Thanks.

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I would love him to stay till he is like 30+, But I can't see him staying if Madrid offer a big load of cash for him. If he continues to improve the way he does he will become 1st choice for Spain in 5 years+

-JakeW

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14 Oct 2012 22:15:42
Paul Pogba was outstanding for Juventus in their friendly win over Savona last week.

Former Manchester United midfielder Pogba scored a hat-trick in the friendly victory.

The Old Lady, without 16 internationals, beat Savona 5-1 with the Frenchman bagging the majority of the goals.

He should have been played more...... if he had I think he would have stayed....

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So him leaving was nothing to do with the high wage he wanted?

Not to mention this was against a Serie D team... I'm sure Bebe could look a world beater against what's probably on par with an English League Two team or worse...

rpc

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He didn't want high wages he wanted wages that reflect the player he was. United have a policy of keeping young players on very low wages. Pogba had to sit there and watch Scholes come out of retirement and straight into the team. He should have been put in then and he would be running our midfield now. Twice the player Tom C is and just the kind of player we need. Don't believe all the stories put out by the club to make him look greedy. He just wanted what he was entitled to. I AM KLOOT

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I've come to the opinion that Kloot is a WUM. I love this site but no one not even the one eye'd scouser's who come on here are so negative about United. {Ed001's Note - I don't see how you can think that? He is clearly extremely passionate about United, he just channels his passion differently from most of you.}

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Completely agree with KLOOT. Pogba will go on to be one of the top 10 CM's in the worovernight a few years, and when, in a few years time we're sat here saying how we desperately need a top class midfielder, Pogba will be proving Fergie wrong.

How much does a top top class centre mid go for in their prime? £30m, £40m? We could have had one for just a guarantee over game time and/or £20k extra a week.

Fergie may have been proven right to let Mr Morrison go, but he'll regret not giving Pogba his chance.

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Paul Pogba would have made 10x MORE an effect to the progress of our team than say Gibson as he was on a par IMO talent wise yet he was in his teens. Gibson was on around 30k so if an already touted special player is seeing muppets like that earning so much then no wonder he thought he would like similar.

He was the most ready for the first team player without a loan I have seen and after Fletchs illness I was pleading on here for him to be thrown in at the deep end and as such would bond with the top players more and feel a part of the team.

But no!

SAF stubborness engaged as he had not committed in the form of signing when and what SAF said he should and was messed about as a result.

Another case of SAF not being a bit more with the times and playing ball even with a player he himself had already stated was a big part of the future of Man Utd.

Massive, massive loss!

Look at Juve now, a CM three of Vidal, Pogba and Marchasio all for less than 20m.

No value in that though!

Jono

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For once Im in agreement with KLOOT.

Devil Dust.

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I see no passion. I see negativity to one and all. Reading his posts he criticizes, rejects, mocks and generally talks the club down. If passion is supporting your club through thick and thin, good times and bad..Passion is being a kid in 70's when United had a second division championship and a FA Cup, then the 80's when we promised so much just to fail regularly. Watching your friends (all of who were Liverpool fans) taking the piss for 20 years. I have no idea how old kloot is but these so called negative supporters should be careful what they wish for.

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He marches to the beat of a different drum

Puzzled

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Lat year it was how good Ravel Morrison was going to be. How we had to blood him, he was the next big thing...the last I heard he was selling the Birmingham Echo! Pogba plays for Juventus and it will be interesting to see where this talented boy will be in 18 months. Football is littered with what ifs and could have been's. Its always a judgement call when letting a player go or agreeing a contract. In all honesty I trust SAF'S judgement more often than not. He is with these players 24/7.....

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For me it's a chicken and egg situation...did he leave because he wasn't played or did we not play him because we knew he wanted to leave? For me it was a bit of both, but certainly I think he would have played more had he been willing to sign up

I actually think our wage structure for young players is correct, no one else has seemed to have a problem with it so why should we change just for one teenager? Just look at Hernandez, Wellbeck, Smalling as examples...they come in on a low wage but know that if they perform well over the first 12 months they will be given a higher wage. What's wrong with that? Surely a player should prove himself THEN get a good wage not the other way around? If we were to give Pogba £30-40k p/w then his form drops or his ego grows - where would that leave us?

KLOOT, you talk about giving him the wage he deserved...which 18 year old academy player DESERVES £30-40k p/w? Also you used the term 'what he was entitled to'...could you expand on this?

Gav

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So he was offered a contract that no youngster had been offered at the club yet an 18 year old who has done nothing in the game wanted what he was entitled to?

Interesting, obviously patience and hard work is a bit much to expect from the young players nowadays!

Gary Neville mentions something in his book about being proud to say you work hard, something lost with some of this generation of youngsters and that group bag in 1992!

Ports

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14 Oct 2012 22:11:13
The fact that people want to sell Vidic is laughable


Anon

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We don't want to sell him but if a offer that is too good to pass on comes up, you have to sell him. How many years does he have left? It's better to sell a player at his age and injuries are a factor.

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Of course !!!!!! Remember Jaap Stam ?
Cosh

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An alternative view is that it might be highly beneficial to keep at least one highly experienced central defender to help bring through all the very inexperienced ones we have.

Jones an Smalling much surely be the partnership of the future but Vidic is still half decent and probably has another 4 or 5 years left at the top level.

Andrew B

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Did anyone see that yanga mbiwa when arsenal played montpellier, he's a right unit.

montpellier captain, recently brke into the french national side (3 caps now) and his only 23

now I wouldnt mind him!

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Anon

Would you seriously turn down a 30 million pound bid for a 31 year old injury prone center half (if the rumours are ture).
I would rip there hands off, Vidic is a great defender and has been a good servant to us but that deal is to good to turn down.
Think of who we could buy as a replacement...basically any center half in the world today.

Simmo

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Money cant buy you a captain, a leader who knows the club inside out and who is a natural born winner, vidic is the last of his style of defender he has 3 years left in him and i'd take all 3.

Anon

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I don't imagine people 'want' to sell him per se, but look at his age,look at his injury record- it would be foolish to turn down a large bid

Puzzled

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I would sell him in summer because
A) He is a vital player to our team.
B) Hummels would be the perfect replacement but he would be cup tied.
C) If we sell Vidic we still might not be able to get Hummels.

19-20 MUFC

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14 Oct 2012 22:06:39
What happened to the Fergie which let 17 year old Giggs play, a young Scholes, a young Beckham etc. We have so many promising youth players within our squad, yes some are like 17-18 year olds but most big players now started at that age.

The problem is still the old guard are taking valuable squad places, it's like the Newcastle game, why didn't someone like Powell or Tunnicliffe play? There is no point letting Giggs come on if he isn't going to offer anything.

Scholes I can understand if we need someone to help win a game but 3-0 up! If Powell is the next "Scholes" as Fergie says why isn't he coming on instead of Scholes.. Soon they will become our next Macheda's, King's and Bebe's.

What I am trying to say is that we keep spending a lot of money on players when to be honest we could produce our own. Cleverley and Welbeck are doing great right now which is lovely to see but we need more and hey maybe we will see the next number 1 midfielder or striker in years to come, but if we continue to play elders we have no chance.

Fergie give the youngsters game time!

-JakeW

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Or perhaps (and this is way out there) the greatest manager who ever lived knows the current crop of youngsters arent ready to make the step up to the first team...

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Anon, how is Giggs better than Tunners, Petrucci, Powell, etc, etc.

J Bones.

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No name

If our BEST young players are not going to offer more than a near 40 yr old Ryan Giggs then why the hell are they at the club ?

Fact is the greatest manager blah blah blah has not for whatever reason got the bottle anymore to take a chance on these VERY talented kids.

Devil Dust.

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I don't get MU TV were I live and have never seen any of these guys that everyone mentions.

I do agree that whilst you can't bring them all in, the club should try and break at least a couple of guys into the team as we will not have the funds to go buy for every position a top player and need to bring through the youth and see how they do.

Shahram

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14 Oct 2012 21:32:18
seems like there could be a lot of departures over the next 2-3 windows:


Evra
Vidic
Ferdinand
Giggs
Anderson
Scholes
Nani

and thats just the first team players! Throw in the likes of Bebe, Macheda, King, Wooten, Brown, Brady and that is a massive clearout.

If all of them go thats 13 players gone, obviously a lot, especially off the 2nd list will be replaced by younger academy players.

Of the 1st team players linked with departing 3 are defenders and 4 are midfielders. This is why i feel we wont be going for any strikers. Even with King and Macheda leaving we still have plenty behind them to step up.

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It's going to be a really interesting 2-3 years for United fans. What with Fergie edging closer to that inevitable retirement. I am on one hand excited but on the other extremely nervous!

There will be no demise like rival fans predict, but it will be a tricky transformation.

We will most certainly evolve into a more powerful force (Hopefully).

Andy S.

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14 Oct 2012 20:22:56
Eds, syd anyone know what happened to Our brazilian boys from deportivo . I remember that leao and Gladstony showed promise

Jay-c

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I was wondering the same myself, as it seems to have quiet about this link up just recently.

So has anyone got any update info (Eds, Syd, etc)?

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14 Oct 2012 20:13:43
: Barcelona set to bid 50 million pounds for Baumgartner as they feel his ability to fall so convincingly will bring something to the team.Mort

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Unless he can hold his face, roll around screaming then wave imaginary cards in the air.. I don't think Barca will be interested.

Supasub

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14 Oct 2012 19:59:47
Dear Luis Suarez, a man dived 24 miles from the edge of space to earth and still stayed on his feet.

DB-Red

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You should post this on the Liverpool site

andrew B

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I have done mate, needless to say they were up in arms.

DB-Red

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14 Oct 2012 19:43:50
Just wanted to give my opinion on this whole selling vidic debate. If, and only if, vidic gets his pre injury form back, i wouldnt sell him for everything. pre injury vidic was the best cb in the world and more importantly he was our captain, and we havent had a decent one other than him since keane left.

An on form vidic brings stability, leadership and loyalty, along with beeing an absolute rock at the back. He is the type of player who can win you a game on his own. When everything is going wrong you know vidic is still a rock and he could scare his teammates into playing well ( just like keano ). And no amount of money could buy that.

But that is only the case if he gets his form back, if not than goodbye captain and thanks for 6 wonderful years of service and leadership on and off the pitch.

Mick

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I don't see it happening, we usually sell players for a fraction of what they are really worth, the only good sales we've ever had were Ronny & Becks, everyone else was undervalued.

I can see the argument for standing by him as he's been loyal to us, is a class player and as Mick says is a leader.

I can also see the argument for selling as he's 31, had a bad injury that is already causing issues and the money would be hard to turn down if they offer anything like that.

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14 Oct 2012 19:42:12
If Vidic moves to Anzhi, is there any chance of buying Sergio Ramos?

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I don't think so but Hummels would be a possibility

19-20 MUFC

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14 Oct 2012 19:21:13
I think buying falcao would be a waste of money specially when scoring goals is not a prob for us....and we have plenty of backup in that position.....
The main problem is defense...A defensive midfilder and centre back should be our priority .......or a player who can control the midfield....
I would happily give 25 millon for mountino .....
Nd maybe buy Benhatia( spelling) or Papadapoulous ...
Players out:
Nani,Evra,Ferdinand,Scholes,Giggs,Bebe
Players in:
Mountino, Strootman/ Wanyama, Hummels/ Subotic/ Benhatia, and a replacement for Nani lyk Tom Ince or isco.....
And SAF plz give our young players a chance specially....
REally hate to see our youth players leave.....

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Fergy.. Please please please buy 4 or 5 first team players for millions and millions of pounds... but give youth a chance!

Genius, I bet you're proper good at FIFA.

DodgyBanter

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Ur been over realistic wanyama benatia isco would be more realistic 10m 12m 16m

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14 Oct 2012 19:12:50
Manchester United are 18th in Support Your Club in FIFA 13.

Come on guys, play some more FIFA!
For such a large fan base, we're doing pretty carp!

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Just to let you know it doesn't work like that. Because so many people have United as their favourite team, they earn less points per win.

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I care about this so much.....

G.A.G.U.S

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It changes on a daily basis mate. 2 days ago it said number 1. I wouldn't pay much attention to it.

TK-Red

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Its because we have such a large fan base all the people put us but dont play often case us to be near the bottom.

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14 Oct 2012 17:08:34
Well a question for the regulars and Eds. Seen a lot of posts praising Falcao. As I haven't seen much of him so just wanted to know, is he that good that he solely drives Bilbao( I know he scores a lot of goals) or is it the team around him that make him special providing him the the chance to excel ? If its the latter then I highly doubt he will be able to continue his form at United with the current midfield we have unless we buy a worldclass mid as well.

SHAITAN {Ed004's Note - It is Atletico Madrid, and I can safely say they would be no where near 2nd in La liga and they wouldn't have won the Europa league without him imo.}

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I read somewhere last year that SAF considers him as the finest striker in world football today.

Shahram

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Well in my opinion the type of player we are lacking is a dribbler who can go past 2 or 3 defenders and blast in a shot, who can beat the defenders with his pace and skill. Like Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero, Neymar, Rooney( when he was very young). While looking for such players we shouldn't end up with the likes of Suarez whose runs are just a waste of energy with no end results.

SHAITAN

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He is unbelievable! But.. We shouldn't spend an ridiculous price for something we already have. RVP and Rooney are enough and Welbeck and Hernandez are great back-ups.

Lets say Rooney or RVP demand to leave the club then Falcao would be on the tables, but we need to improve our defense and Midfield first, as Ed004 said to me earlier once you have a solid defense it makes the team much stronger.

-JakeW

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Here's one for you lads, Martin O'Neill was offered Falcao in 2009 for £7million but turned it down and took Heskey.

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He is incredible and just deadly. However as a team we need a lb,cm,cb and we will compete with anyone on the planet.

In case you did not know, we have scored more goals than any other team in pl and don't have a problem scoring, its conceding goals that gets us into trouble with the better teams, as those games become hard to win.

I completely agree with ED004 and have posted this a hundred times. Coantrao, Goetze or vidal or someone of similar quality, Hummels or someone of similar in quality and teams will be petrified playing us.

A luxury after those 3 would be to cash out on nani and buy a left winger ICSO,Munian,Rodriguez.

Shahram

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Rooney has never been a player who takes players on, not his game. It's always baffled me how he can't beat a central defender when running at them at pace with the ball.

Ronny would just knock it past them left or right and beat them for pace, but Rooney has never had this skill IMO.

These days in the same situation i think he has learned to look for support, often out wide, rather than being tackled and losing the ball.

Falcao has a better goals per minute ratio than Ronny or Messi playing in a team creating far fewer chances, he is the best out and out striker in the world today.

Imagine how devastating this front three would be:

__Messi____Falcao____Ronaldo

Lol! GK practice anyone?! ;)

DodgyBanter

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004, to be fair AM won the Europa in 2010 without him ;)

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - I meant the second time round Sydney lol}

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14 Oct 2012 15:53:08
Ryan seriously hasn't done himself, his dad and United any favors, I wonder how Fergie will deal with him after that car crash. Drunk driving and 2pm!? What was he thinking.

-JakeW

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Someone's goin to get ripped a new extra large one.

Supasub

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14 Oct 2012 15:48:54
Weird that Rooney gets the captain armband for England and the Roy saying he is the future captain. Then later on in the week Manchester United captain Vidic has interest shown for him. Could be true or just paper talk, no-one knows.

I personally would sell Vidic but only on one condition.. We buy Hummels or Subotic. I believe them two are the only players which can take over the job. We already have our replacement for Ferdinand in Smalling so we don't need to worry about him.

Now just for defence right now I would like to see Vidic and Ferdinand to be sold and with the funds buy Hummels and maybe someone like Ogbonna?

I believe Evra will be sold next year instead of going for a free and Buttner and Fabio will compete for that LB position.

We will keep Evans for a long time I believe he is the perfect player to have back up for when injuries occur. So this means in two years I would love to see our defense like this:

Rafael-Hummels-Smalling-Fabio

With the likes of Jones, Ogbonna, Evans, Buttner and even Valencia for RB to play when needed.

Imagine that defense in lets say? 3 years. It would be one of the best defenses in the world if the players continue to improve. Hummels, Rafael and Smalling would all most probably be the some of the best in their position.

Who would you like us to bring in?

-JakeW {Ed004's Note - I would bring in Baines for left back. I believe great teams are built on great defences. You need to be solid at the back and that helps the forward players attack}

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004, I agree, I would sell Ev and Fabio to fund Baines. Then rotate Baines and Buttner and Rafael & Valencia.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Could even keep Fabio to cover both full back positions if there was a space in the 25 man squad}

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Sydney

why not have rafael and fabio not compete for rb, fabio is right footed anyways and not too long ago was starting in the champions league final against barca, his best spell for us came in the last 2months of that season playing rb there. i say sell evra and get another lb to compete with buttner while fabio and rafael compete for rb. I really hope rio is gone at the end of this summer to america or something so it doesnt seem like we kicked him out, more like he's pursuing a dream of his to play in the mls etc.

Sulei

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I agree have Baines and Buttner for LB and the twins for RB. Smalling and a new signing as centreback with Evans and Keane as the back ups, sekk Rio and Vidic abd use Jones, for now at least, in midfield. Mort {Ed004's Note - Would keep one of Rio and Vidic for cover as I am not sure Keane is ready yet.}

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Maybe Ed, i'd probably go with that, i just think that their fitness questions are too much and its going to cost us at some point. I'd certainly offer Rio a coaching job, but not sure he'd take it.

That said, Smalling, Evans, the new signing and Keane plus Jones in back up should be enough, and the only way to know if Keane is ready is to give him the opportunity.

Mort

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Good point Mort, better to let our youth have a chance before blowing the cash on Ogbonna or someone else!

Also if we get desperate Fletcher/Carrick can play CB if needed.

I think having only 1 RB causes us problems, Jones should really be playing CB not RB or CDM. Maybe like what Ed and Syd have said get Baines/Buttner for LB and Fabio/Rafael for RB.

-JakeW

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It just makes sense to use the kids or whats the point of having an academy, they need chances, and if we can bring through half a dozen good kids into the squad as back up and rotation it will save us millions in fee's and wages and lets us save money for a couple of big signings every so often.

Mort

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14 Oct 2012 15:22:50
Speculating here, but bear with me. There is potential for us to sell Vidic, Nani, Evra and Hernandez within the next year. That is quite a big squad overhaul. Nani is likely to leave, if Young does ok when he gets back into the team then Nani won't get a sniff. Given that we are moving towards the diamond, two wingers is plenty - Valencia & Young are two good options and we may also grab Tom Ince. As for Vidic, I don't see him being the same player, and I fancy that SAF and the coaching staff may feel the same. We could realistically have Hummels or Benatia replacing him, hopefully Hummels. The next two, Evra & Hernandez are probably more likely to stay than they are leave. However I feel that we may go back in for Baines which would mean that Evra would leave instead of letting him leave on a free in 2014. Hernandez will, in all likelihood, stay as he is looking sharp - however obviously I'd rather swap him for Falcao, but I don't think that we'll be in the running for Falcao so we probably won't replace Hernandez (unless we move for Lewy of course).

There will also of course be the outgoings of players such as Macheda, probably Amos, Brady etc as they probably won't make it. And then players like the Keane's, Henriquez, Powell and Petrucci which are coming up. Also perhaps Victor Fischer.

This, in the most extreme of cases, could be a possibility:

January OUTS: Nani £20,000,000, Vidic £25,000,000 (max), Macheda £3,000,000.

January INS: Ince £6,000,000, Hummels £25,000,000.

Summer OUTS: Bebe £2,000,000, Brady £2,000,000, Wooton £2,000,000, Evra £5,000,000, Hernandez £20,000,000.

Summer INS: Lewandowski £20-25,000,000, Baines £15,000,000, Strootman £15,000,000.

I've added Strootman to the list, he I think is a concrete target, but we probably won't move for him in January - PSV have recently said that they won't sell him until summer.

If this were all to happen though (which it won't):

_____________De Gea
Rafael___Smalling__Hummels___Baines
___Kagawa___Strootman___Cleverly
______________Rooney
__________RVP______Lewy

Instead of Strootman, you could swap in Wanyama. One of those two I feel would be good. At the moment we have a good team, this though I feel would be a GREAT team.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - Looks a top team but I would perhaps sign a world class CM to take the burden of Cleverley and Rooney who I feel may have too much responsibility at times. Therefore I would love to see Wanyama and either Vidal or Moutinho alongside one of Kagawa and Cleverley. In all likelihoods I can see Anderson leaving... Also would give the captaincy to Rooney...}

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In that line up I think that Rooney has to be given the Captain's armband - there is no one else that would be suitable, apart from perhaps RVP. Wanyama would be a great signing, I'm not so sure about Strootman, we'll know in time. Anderson will probably leave. What do you think the chances of Hernandez leaving are?

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - I think it is unlikely Hernandez will leave. He is the ideal professional and the type of squad player any team would love. He is a hard working and doesn't mine being a important squad player}

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So would you therefore say that we won't sign Lewandowski? As if Hernandez stays we would have Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, Hernandez, W. Keane and Henriquez...

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - Don't think Will Keane will make it personally. I think he lacks just a little bit of pace and that injury could hamper his progression. If not he will not be ready by next season and I do not think Henriquez will either. Therefore we will have Rooney, RVP, Welbeck, and Hernandez and we play 3 up top. So one more signing would mean we have cover up top}

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You couldn't have Lewy as one more signing though to be honest. And sometimes I imagine that we could play Young behind Rooney & RVP as he also excels there.

Fresh! {Ed004's Note - I don't think he excels there. I would only ever play Young on the left wing as I would play RVP, Rooney, Kagawa and probably Cleverley there before Young}

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Personally, i'd love to see this next season...

------------De Gea-----------
Rafael-Hummels-Smalling-Buttner
-------------Vidal-------------
-------Powell-----Cleverley----
------------Kagawa-----------
-------RVP---------Rooney----

Young, Bebe, Evra, Macheda out. Maybe Vidic too if a good offer came in. Nani and Anderson to stay, Anderson is, IMO, a good squad player. And Nani, well I can't make up my mind about Nani so unless a huge offer came in I think he should stay, his flashes of brilliance do pay off when they happen! I think Powell has what it takes to make a huge impact in our midfield, and Cleverley is only getting better. Bringing in Vidal and Hummels would strengthen areas that blatantly need addressing, and they're both world class players. Rafael and Buttner both love to attack, so I don't think wingers are necessary. With other strike options like Hernandez and Henriquez, we would have quite a potent attacking force.

Andy!

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Andy, it's a good team, but if Rooney wants to become United captain he will need to move to midfield and that looks like whats happening. I would swap Powell for Rooney and stick Lewandowski upfront.

Sydney!

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Well instead of buying hummels and ince for 31 million, we can buy papadoupoulos ( who imo will be just as good in a couple of years since he is only 21 ) and either muniain or isco for about 20-25 millions, which is around 40-45 million pounds, and we have ourselves 2 of the most promising youngsters in the world.

And during the summer, i would get either wanyama or M'vila ( if he improves his attitude ) , but i would prefer if we give tunicliffe an opportunity to prove his worth and maybe ship him to southampton on january and if he does well than wth just give him a chance and he can rotate with fletcher and carrick.
And hopefully Petrucci would be shipped on loan to a decent passing team like Wigan, Norwich or even Swansea ( yes, i rate him that highly ) and if he does well he should be given a chance alongside cleverley and anderson ( if they keep improving ) and we wouldnt have to buy Cabaye/moutinho.

Mick

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I'd rather sign a Nani eplacement who can play across the front 3 rather than an out an out striker, i really don't think we need one. We need to work on the mid and the back. Mort

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14 Oct 2012 14:40:36
I don't post that regularly however I'm a dedicated reader and some of the more prolific posters really have some worthwhile opinions but what is it coming to as a united fan when we want to discard players who've given great service and still have more to offer the minute they have an injury or two.

Sell vidic he's injury prone,
Sell Hernandez he's a flash in the pan
Sell rio he's too old

Would we have done the same with robbo? Or in 98 after Leeds would anyone have bombed out keano.

Stop with the knee jerk reactions, selling our captain would certainly not guarantee us going out and securing hummels. Have some faith that the boss knows who has something still to offer and who is surplus to requirements. Dear me its hard work listening and reading the doom mongers sometimes. Cheer up lads "we're united"

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I would sell Vidic if we were defiantly getting Hummels with the cash. Yes he has been our captain and a servant to the club but after his injury I doubt we will ever see his good form return.

-JakeW

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You should post more often, you speak sense wise "no name" ;)

DodgyBanter

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14 Oct 2012 13:39:12
No offence ,but i think Kagawa is useless.
Cazorla is better than him
hazard is better
Michu is better {Ed007's Note - No offence but you don't leave a name so nobody really cares about anonymous people's opinions.}

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Yeah, you're a fool.

Percy

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Troll.

Sydney!

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That had got to be the most useless post I have heard in a while. Mr no name, what were you aiming to achieve? Give Kagawa time to adapt and our the team as a whole time to adapt with a player! We are used to playing out to the wingers in a 442 formation but with united now trying more of a diamond formation you will see him becoming more effective with his delicate touches, through balls and one twos! Just be patient...

Nik Legend SA

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Hi fella's but i think hes write kagawa isnt playing as much as we expectedd from him. But i think he needs much time to adapt, if he doesnt then that means he doesnt suite uniteds style of play because kagawa in dortmund was absolutely fantasic. {Ed004's Note - You are the original poster though, so obviously you would agree with yourself...}

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Awkward

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14 Oct 2012 13:31:38
Tunnicliffe, what a fool. Interesting to see how this ends up.
The much hated: PJ

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What has happened?

Welsh Dragon

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Drunk Driving, bring out the hairdryer lol.

Shahram

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Crashed under the influence.

Percy

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Really?
Can't believe these guys can't look at a guy like Scholes (maybe not Giggs ;) and use then a role model!

DodgyBanter

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He's 19, go easy on the guy. Who of us hasnt made that mistake. Lets hope he doesnt end up like another troublemaker who used to wear the red shirt.

Mick

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Mick

When someone close to you is killed because of a drunk driver i hope your as forgiving and "go easy" on him.**** him.hes an adult and i hope he gets what he deserves off the club and off the law.
I lost an aunt because of a person like him and have a good friend paralysed from the waist down because of another person.
Think before you make stupid comments in future mate.

RK16

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I agree but sometimes people make mistakes. Anws i dont think anything official has come out yet has it ? like a court order or something. For all we know it might be the lress blowing this thing out of proportion.

Mick

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14 Oct 2012 13:22:46
whats with constantly talking about falcao and lewandowski? We don't need another striker. We have a lot of strikers. What we need is two midfielders to replace scholes and Giggs/ anderson. An upgrade for Nani. A world class replacement for vidic. Possibly a left back and a left winger. Not to mention yet another midfielder who can tackle. Now as much as i'd like to find all of that inhouse through the academy, its unlikely we will which necessitates that we will have to buy what we cannot produce. Which means not wasting money on players we do not need such as the aforementioned strikers.

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So you think Hernandez is world class? Strikers like falcaoddon't come around very often. So watch him when he signs for rubbishty or Chelsea and then we can play for second spot. If course we need a DM and a Cb but if a top player becomes available, we have to try to make an effort to improve our squad.
NoMidfield

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NoMidfield i find that a bit of an irony that your sign off is criticising/ highlighting our weakest area but you want us to spend money on a player we don't need.

Yes Falcao is world class but then so are Rooney and van Persie and i have to agree with the oriignal poster that we have more pressing area's to strengthen than buying another striker.

Also i doubt we would go anywhere near him, 45 million euro's plus agents fee's, signing on fee and 250-300 k a week in wages? Seriously don't think we would commit to that. Its a transfer that has City/ Chelsea/ PSG written all over it.

If you had the chance to pay 50 million for Falcao or 50 million for Hummels & Gotze which one would you go for? I know which deal would better benefit United and it isn't Gotze.

Also i doubt City and Chelsea would pay that fee in straight cash, Chelsea would offer Torres and City would probably offer Dzeko.

I agree with the origial post, we have more pressing issues than strikers.

Mort

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14 Oct 2012 12:44:53
Been posting on here for a while on and off , i have never seen so bad comments about a player who is developing well.

If you want to find negatives in supporting man utd and england, take a look at all the fans that refuse to find positives in there team and players. You shouldnt slate or hate anyone from you club.

A quick mention for rafael so far as he is much improved player/performances of late.

BIG V

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14 Oct 2012 11:55:09
Hey guys, Did Kagawa play well against France.

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Yes, and got the winning goal.

Sydney!

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14 Oct 2012 10:30:21
apparently anzi are ready to offer 33m for vidic, i think we should take t and sign hummels and benatia

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For as much as I rate and love him anything above £22m it's easy business IMO.

Whoever we get with the money HAS to be a vocal leader. We are missing that aspect massively.

Jono

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Smalling and Hummels as CB's with Jones sat in front of them at the base of a diamond would be pretty solid IMO.

Sydney!

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This is a terrible position to be in for the club. Whilst if true they can not turn it down, it does mean parting with a player who has been an absolute professional and what manchester united is all about. Kind of sad if it happens.

Shahram

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14 Oct 2012 12:49:28
Sydney i agree would give us bravery intelligance and a bit of pace in defence .

Wondering if you know the name of a centre back that schemical (bad spelling) suggested to fergie. from the team chelsea beat in champions league.

BIG V

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Shahram, Vidic enjoyed his time in Moscow and speaks fluent Russian so a move to Anzhi would be of interest to him I'm sure. Also the £12m (net) a season he would get for playing for them wouldn't be too bad either. It's almost £10m a season more than he is taking home now. That's a tasty £50m over five years.

Sydney!

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Ok Sydney I am feeling much better for him now LOL. I guess he would get over it once the first paycheck hits the account.LOL
Shahram

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14 Oct 2012 09:55:53
so happy we didnt get lucas moura waste of money we should go bact to dortmund wiv a massive bif 4 mario gotze so talented can play on the wing or central an just behind the striker! 25mill would be a good price wot do every1 think??

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IMO He is worth more that 25 million, I think a price region of 35-40 million would convince Dortmund to sell.

-JakeW {Ed002's Note - Arsenal, Manchester United and Barcelona were previously knocked back by his club although Goetze has identified his favourite teams as Barcelona and Arsenal. There has also been interest also from Real Madrid, Juventus, Chelsea and AC Milan - who I suspected were shifting their interest in Ganso or Fernando to Goetze. Chelsea know that there will be pressure from elsewhere to buy the player - most notably AC Milan and the major Spanish sides - and are of the opinion that a move to England will probably not come about - although I suspect Manchester United will look to the player again.}

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I did read sometime back that his brother is a massive manchester united fan.maybe that can help us.

RED DEVIL FOR LIFE

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14 Oct 2012 13:59:12
No, thats Schweinsteiger mate...

Whistler.

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Not too picky we will take Schweinsteiger :)

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14 Oct 2012 09:16:49
Need Evans and co to play a blinder if we are to get anything from the game against Portugal. Not a Man United post but I have nothing to moan about during the international break.
Come on Norn Iron.

Norn Iron

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14 oct 2012 09:06:45
alen halilovic plays down again man utd rumour..by joining in summer...

sign him fergie..

yash (india)

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14 Oct 2012 09:04:29
I cant beleive how everyone is slating cleverly, he has potential to be a top draw player.

Man utd fans and england are to good to find negatives , Its the lads first proper season if u think of the injurys hes had. i remember the days when everyone was slating ronaldo and wanted him gone now youd beg for him back.

BIG V

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14 Oct 2012 02:41:38
any1 see kagawa's winner against france. good goal

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