Manchester United Banter Archive April 15 2013

 

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15 Apr 2013 22:04:18
If Rooney left for 30 million, who would you sign? A winger seems necessary but to be honest I'd get gotze and lewandowski for 45 and strootman for 15 and play a 4-2-2-2


Hopefully baines can come in too. Net spend round 40mil


De gea rafael vidic Ferdinand baines CDM carrick CDM strootman CAM kagawa and gotze and lewy and RVP upfront {Ed004's Note - I'd hope for a bit more from Rooney tbh but if Anderson, Rooney, Nani and Hernandez are sold I'd be hoping for Baines, Strootman, Rodriguez and Gotze along with probably Lewandowski but only if Hernandez goes}

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Falcao, rodriguez, strootman, garay {Ed004's Note - Rather a lb than a Cb}

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Goetze and Lewandowski signing? I really can't imagine Dortmund selling them both to us. Although Goetze is just what United needs, I don't see it happening this summer at least.

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15 Apr 2013 21:04:16
United U21's up to second now. Ryan Tunnicliffe getting the winner. 1. 0 full time.

Sydney!

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15 Apr 2013 20:56:57
Rooney out falco/lewindowski to replace him nani an ando strooman and Rodriguez to replace them and if another team make a move for gotze we need to go all out for him. Quick question for the eds I know you guys said before that mario gotze is a arsenal an barca fan or has said similar before. what I wanna know is if arsenal made a move an it was a straight choice between us and them do you think we could swing it being the better option for him to win trophys.

CAIN {Ed004's Note - Yes I reckon so. I reckon a summer of Baines, Strootman, Gotze, Rodrigez and Falcao/Lewamdowksi along with all those players out and Hernandez and we'd have best team in Europe}

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15 Apr 2013 21:36:57
We'd never afford gotze, rodriguez and falcao all in one window. Rodriguez is over rated. Gotze will stay in germany till the world cup and falcao is going to bayern. {Ed004's Note - I don't think we could or that it is likely}

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15 Apr 2013 20:49:35
Januzaj. What a game he is having. Gem.

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Januzaj is a top quality talent, I hope to see more of him next season.

Sydney!

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I thought he was fantastic, been very impressed with him the last couple of months, have been keeping an eye on him since the posts on here saying he could be one of the best in the world in 5 years. To be honest I haven't seen anything to put me off that assessment, just needs to bulk up a bit, what a football brain and immense talent this lad has. Class above the rest of that team (except Powell who didn't play tonight) and much younger than most players.

Other notable mentions for me are ekangamanie (can't seem to spell that right but you know who I mean) who seems to have come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of months and I also felt Ben Amos had a good game, he could be a strong championship keeper in the future I feel but will not quite make it at united.

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15 Apr 2013 18:36:30
. youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=E1r05RnlqJY#!

WOW, what goals falcao can score.

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And then they say Lewy can be as good as him. Lol never.

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Maybe you should watch Lewandowski a bit more Sak.

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How often did you watch Falcao when he was 24 then sak?

Anon

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15 Apr 2013 23:09:10
Falcao is without a doubt the best finisher in the game atm, and that includes Messi and Ronaldo. But the rest of his game isn't at the same level. He is good at holding the ball up, he is good at linking play, he is a good passer of the ball but he isn't great at these things.

Now Lewandowski is a few years younger and is better at holding the ball up, he is better at bring his team mates into play, he is a better passer, but he isn't as good a finisher as Falcao. But in nearly every other aspect he is currently better. And he is younger and will improve, where as Falcao is at his peak and will only go down hill from here on in.

I honestly believe that if Lewandowski continues to improve at his current rate that he'll be considered the best striker in the world within three years time.

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When Falcao was at his 24 he scored 17 goals in europe, a new record. And he won the Europa.
So yes, I did see Falcao at 24. He was better than Lewy. Who can tell what Lewy is to become in 3 years? But I don't believe he can be better than Falcao at what Falcao does. Put the ball in the back of the net, even when you don't expect him to.
Falcao's stronger, better finisher, and faster than Lewy.

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15 Apr 2013 18:01:04
Chris Foy, you are a disgrace.

As he felt Agueros challenge was only worth a free kick and no card, Aguero can't get done for a terrible tackle.

MEF

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I'm sure Foy was told exactly what to write in his statement, just like Bernstein told Mason exactly what to write in his statement to get Rooney banned for two games for swearing.

Source: Mike Riley (Head ref)

Sydney!

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"The City striker caught Chelsea's Brazilian defender with a two-footed challenge in the second half of the FA Cup semi-final but will not face retrospective action as the referee saw the incident. " - a web site

Really? He saw it, and only gave a free kick?

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That's kind of the problem Steffen, he gave a free kick so quite clearly saw it. A card should've been brandished but that is where the blame ends for the ref IMO. The FA need to look at this rule that prevents retrospective punishment when the referee has seen it. I know they are very conscious of not appearing to undermine their referees but mistakes are easily, and often, made and need to be rectified. We have seen it happen for AND against United in the past.

TK-Red

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15 Apr 2013 19:11:26
I wonder where RED_SKY has gone, he predicted that we wouldn't finish in the top 4 this season I believe, I am sure most of you remember that. He said he would be happy to be proved wrong, so just thought I would make the point, it's unlikely we will finish outside the top 4.

Will you be making the same predictions at the start of next season? ;)

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RED_SKY is still here mate, but I'm currently in China 2weeks into a 5month trip around south Asia. So, not really able to post on here!

Looking good isn't it, no way we're dropping 12pts IMO - so yeah, I've been proven wrong and it feels great! On another note, what was the Stoke game like? Can't watch any games at the moment, which sucks, due to the time difference.

I was gutted to miss the derby.

RED_SKY

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15 Apr 2013 18:35:00
when rooney first came to united I had such high hopes for the boy, I believed we had a true world class striker in the making on our hands, in fact I bet every football fan in the country did. He seemed to have that magic about him only truely great players seem to have. He has had a few great seasons with us but he has never blown me away like he did in his early days. With the signings of van persie and kagawa if anything he should have upped his game but it seems to have had the opposite effect on him, so maybe the writing was on the wall and he knew it and that explains his severe dip in form, knowing he will be moved on. I hope he doesn't leave and our squad makes more sense from next season and he is an integral part of it, joeyored {Ed007's Note - Absolutley spot on Joe. Even when Ronaldo was at Utd I was happier if Rooney had played well and scored. I would love to see him get back playing at that sort of level.}

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Good post joey, I feel the same.

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15 Apr 2013 17:49:51
I really hope that this Rooney rumour is true as otherwise I see him being the 'saviour' for our midfield - he is not good enough in midfield. If Rooney leaves I can see big things happening, SAF will go on a big spending spree, especially since it will probably be his last year and he will want to go on top.

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I'm not entirely sure that if Rooney leaves that certainly means changes and big spending. Selling a player does not always mean that the funds received from the sale go straight into the transfer kitty. Personally I feel we need to hang on to him, in the coming years we will be losing some big personalities due to age (Evra, Giggs, Scholes, Vidic, Rio for example). These guys are have a huge presence in the training ground and in the dressing room, I feel that losing Rooney would be detrimental to that effect. Yes his form has been off as of late, but every footballer has off seasons!

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15 Apr 2013 17:48:12
Did anyone see the Ajax/PSV game yesterday and your thought on Strootman?

Shahram

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Didn't see it shahram, was he good or bad?
Nomidfield

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15 Apr 2013 18:49:10
It was definetly not his best game in a PSV shirt. He was not bad at all, one of the better players of his team. Ajax are a better team than PSV, and it showed. Eriksen and co. ran rings around Strootman and Van Bommel.

Van Bommel was static and nowhere near mobile enough to keep up with fast attacks, so all the work fell on Strootman. Its like when Carrick partners Scholes/ Giggs and he has to do a job of a kidfield 2 on his own, which he did to decent effect.

Attackingly speaking he was at the heart of everything. His passing was assured and meaningful, mostly forward passes that launched attacks and he even recorded a good assist.

But Ajav were much better than PSV on the night with Eriksen running the show, even though one of his mistakes cost his team a goal.

Mick

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Thanks Mick, I saw it and wanted some views before posting. It was funny because we had 2 players who have been linked with United for our midfield playing against each other and wanted to see how they performed in the biggest game of the season in Holland.

I thought defensively Strootman was poor and Ericksen just ran rings around him and his pace is definitely a worry as Ericksen just glided away on many occasions.

I agree Offensively he was quite involved but the lack of pace and ease that fisher and Erickson could get away was a real concern. My reasoning is that I have never thought Ericksen is super fast and guys like Hazzard are much faster and not sure how Strootman can handle them.

All in all as I have posted previously people who are looking for defensive midfielder who can boss the middle of the pitch, I don't believe he is of that mold and better in being involved when going forward in build up play.

Shahram

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15 Apr 2013 16:45:23
Kloot, you came out with this earlier! "I was right about Cleverley I was right about Anderson I am right about Rooney. " This made me laugh because you seem to claim that you are the only one who thinks Anderson is poor and that cleverly is, well let's go back in time a bit here, Anderson first season 2007-08 was phenomenal, his talent was there to see, injuries is the reason he hasn't progressed not because he is a bad player. Cleverly debut season was brilliant towards the start had the energy our midfield lacked then he got badly injured and hasn't been able to kick on! Yet he is an England regular so again not a bad player just hampered by injury. Now finally Rooney, I can not get over your hatred to the man who carried this team from when Ronaldo left to this season, who at times this year has scored goals when Van Persie hasn't. When you say Rooney isn't world class it makes me question you, simply because many European managers such as Jose Mourinho (who knows a decent player) has branded him world class, if you question his commitment again you are wrong too when Ronaldo was here he played out wide to make way for Ronaldo and he didn't like it but he put the head down and played. He may have wanted to leave but I believe it was down to his agent putting ideas into his head.
Final point, you consistently give these players the death so I want to ask are you a proper fan? I ask this because I'm not a fan of certain players but as long as they put on the shirt I give them my full support, you don't seem to that which in my eyes is disgraceful! How can you say your a die hard united fan if you don't support the players who pull on the shirt.
Rant over.

Caol�n.

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15 Apr 2013 17:38:52
This is somewhat unfair. Questioning a fans loyalty because he or she criticises certain players is ridiculous. The fact is Rooney turned up for pre season training at least a stone overweight. He is a very highly paid sportsman and must bear responsibility for looking after himself. Some of his performances this season have been very poor indeed, lack of ball control, lack of pace you name it. The reality is that loyalty should be to the club and that players will always come and go.
Paulo.

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To a certain extent I agree, but surely it's ok as a united fan to want and expect THE BEST, I like Anderson and believe he needs a long run of games to prove the doubters wrong.
I myself am no saint, I had to take a huge sabbatical from this site due to the comments I made Young. We're all entitled to opinion, and all bring something different to the banter. Most of my opinions are disagreed on, but I now take it. As I know it's only opinions. The problem with Rooney his wages (IMO). His contract is up for renewal this summer, and many of us feel he hasn't justified his salary, let alone an improvement. We also see the likely repositioning to CAM. And again we think 'why not get a proven high class CAM who actually plays the position', in 95% of targets they would acquire a much less salary, and even free up excess transfer money.

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Caolan, that's not fair. Just because he dislikes certain players doesn't mean he should want them to leave. He still United but he is allowed to hate players, if we had Suarez I'd hate him and want him to leave even if he did play for us. No difference.

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Maybe I'm being too harsh, but I'm not doubting he's a united fan but is it to much to ask for a fan to support ALL the players and get behind them?

Caolán.

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But if a player turns up a stone overweight for pre season, are we supposed to support him, pat him on the back and say never mind! Of course not, we want them to show the same passion and responsibility we have form the club as all us fans have, and I think that's what in question here.
Anderson clearly cannot keep his weight in check, rooney has the same problem. I think the least we expect is for them to do their utmost to live a life if an athelete. Is that too much to ask?
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I know as united fans we should support all the players but in all honesty in regards to rooney its very hard to keep support for a player who to be honest seems like he doesn't give a crap anymore. A highly paid professional who starts the start of modt seasons grossly overweight and needs a hardcore fitness programme abroad is never a good sign. Let's face it, rooney's best years are behind him, pace is shot and his general interest just doesn't seem to be there bar the odd performance

Barca devil

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Yes Caolan you are asking too much. If someone asked me to back Anderson, Rooney, Young and Nani i'd tell them too do one. Anderson is fat and lazy, Rooney is the same but manages to run a little more than Anderson thankfully, Young is crap and Nani is THE most frustrating player in the history of football. I will support on the pitch during a game but not at any other time.

Brendan81

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Fresh - 'hate' is a strong word for one of our own players.

There's many I've disliked over the years, due to personal habits, lack of effort etc. but 'hate'? Nah, bit much mate.

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I somewhat agree with what Caolan is saying. Yes your loyalty cannot be questioned with liking/disliking a player, but downright wanting the team to fail/individual to fail just to have a dig at that player is an absolute disgrace. Players like Cleverly, look at the amount of stick he gets. I and a lot of people know he may not be the answer to our problems, but wishing he failed and calling him names is not good. Rooney has been one of our best players for a fair few seasons, yet when Persie and Kags are bought in, we have new toys to play with and the old ones can go take a flying f**k. If we ignored the contract issue, Rooney has been one of the most passionate players to have pulled on the shot. I have seen him try to head a ball with the opposing player trying to kick it. I have seen him come back 45% fit for the teams sake. But people are fickle and have a short memory. "He dosent give a crap anymore"? really? Wow!

Back the players rather than posting meaningless teams with 8 new players in it everyday. I am glad that the team page has been made seperate. It was a real pain putting up with fantasy teams from a few on here. Support the ones that are already there.

In the end I would like to reiterate what StevieK once said. You can like/dislike a United player, but you have got to back him when he pulls on the shirt. There should be no arguments about that. We are fans and the first and foremost thing is "support". Unless you think you can go out there and do a better job. Criticize but be constructive.

Rant Over!

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PS - GDS, I sincerely thank you for being ever supportive of the players and never jumping on the bandwagon that some of the hate for the players creates. Your positivity is as good as it is rare.

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Awww.I'm being quoted now. Feel like I've arrived, cheers Deeps :)

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Haha Stevie, you arrived on the scene big time the day you and AJH confessed to something going on.

On a more serious note tell me Stevie what's with fans these days wanting to "hate" players from United. I know your utter disdain for Wayne arising from the contract thingie, but do you feel like hating him?

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Caolan

Ha ha ha ha. I've never laughed so much. Anderson's first season was PHENOMENAL. I have never heard so much sh*te in my life.
He has a handful of good games nothing more. how can you use the word PHENOMENAL and ANDERSON in the same breath.
Then you say Cleverley's debut season was brilliant, he was injured all last season wasn't he?
He made 15 apperances in his bebut season, not great really is it?
He showed some good signs in the Charity Shield match against City and then was out for most of the season.
This season he has done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that he is the answer to our midfield problems, he doesn't score goals, he doesn't create goals, he can't tackle and his passing isn't great so what does he actually do?
Stop talking about being a proper fan, we are on a website where we can debate, people have different oppinions they don't all agree so put your dummy away.

Simmo

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Tell you what simmo go watch Anderson vs Liverpool, arsenal and all the top sides in his debut season, he played the likes of gerrard, fabregas and lampard off the pitch. He hasn't kicked on but he had the potential to be a world class player and if you couldn't see that well you mustn't know to much bearing in mind I was around 12 at the time.

Caolán.

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15 Apr 2013 16:37:29
Sean McGinty been at it again, last year he had an 18 month driving ban for drink driving and now he's been sent back to united from his loan spell at Tranmere for disciplinary reasons.
Some of These young lads never learn what a privilege it is to be playing for one of the top teams in the world. I think Lou macari has been going on about this for some time now as he sees a lot of young boys, who have achieved nothing, acting like world stars.
So he could be the next one to be shown the door by saf.
Nomidfield

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Never seen him play. Is he any good and potential to get into the squad in the future?

Shahram

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In my opinion he is never going to make it here at United.

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15 Apr 2013 18:22:48
In a word Shahram. No. He's a decent player with a poor attitude ala Morrison and Fryers. Although not as bad as Morrison. Morrison and Fryers were better players imo and they aren't at the club anymore. I can't see the club offering him a new deal when his expires, I would think the loan was the club trying to help him find another club. But he appears to have messed that up.

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Well he's the same standard as the rest, but now, he definitely will not have a future here. The same as happened to pogba and the others who are not committed. It is a shame to see these talented kids throwing their lives away.
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15 Apr 2013 16:07:44
Today your club has shown its class and dignity by remembering the Hillsborough disaster. Respect and thank you. You should all be proud.
Jft96 it could have happened to any major club.
Rip
dickiedidoh

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Respect to the 96. Football rivalry takes a huge backwards step in the likes of such a tragedy. God bless them all.

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This shouldn't be viewed as just a footballing matter, it was 96 innocent people who died that day, it doesn't matter what club they supported they deserve justice and their families deserve the truth.

JK92

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To say I don't like Liverpool FC is an understatement but what happened that day was nothing to do with football. The 96 people that lost their lives and countless others that were injured on that day were seriously let down and the fact it took so long to be admitted is an absolute joke.
They were human like all of us and no matter what colours you wear, where you live or how you feel about another club/city, we should all remember them and just be incredibly grateful that it didn't happen to us or somebody we love because it easily could have.
I was only 8 at the time but I remember watching it with my dad and seeing tears in his eyes. He is a city supporter and I am obviously united but on that day at such a young age I learned that things are sometimes much bigger than football. Seeing how it affected him and then me on that day showed me that and I for one will never forget it.

Brendan81

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15 Apr 2013 16:03:57
Today, Manchester United stands with our great neighbours, Liverpool, to remember the tragic loss of 96 football fans who went to watch their team and never came back.

The events that occurred at Hillsborough 24 years ago, on 15 April 1989, resulted in Britain's worst ever stadium disaster.

The thoughts and prayers of everybody at Manchester United today are with Liverpool Football Club and the families and friends of those who lost their lives.

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Well said kloot. God bless the families involved.

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Who ever clicked disagree with this is disgusting.

-JakeW

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Probably some low IQ chav jake.

JK92 {Ed007's Note - Just ignore the agree/disagree buttons, there's always a few a$$holes on threads like this.}

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15 Apr 2013 15:41:02
Aguero is not going to be punished for one of the most ridiculous challenges I have seen. The FA really are a joke, they set the rules so they are to blame. After the farce of the Mcmanaman challenge a few weeks ago surely the FA could have changed the rules to ensure such a ridiculous thing doesn't happen again but no.
Does it matter if the ref dealt with it by giving a free kick? He obviously didn't see the incident clearly enough as it was a 100% red card to anyone with eyes. If he looked at it again he must see this himself and therefore it should be dealt with after the game in my eyes.

Brendan81

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It is a ridiculous rule, they can't punish the player because the ref saw "part of" the challenge, even though he clearly didn't see the part that was deserving of a red. Madness!

TBF I don't think they can change the rules during the season so let's hope they address this silly loophole before next summer. It could set a very dangerous precedent otherwise.

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HoneyBadger you could be right on the not changing during the season thing but the fact it was ever agreed in the first place is a complete joke.
If I was a manager and a player of mine did something as ridiculously stupid as that and the FA did nothing then I would deal with it myself and impose my own punishment. Most managers are far too gutless to even consider it though. But that would stamp it out in time.

Brendan81

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15 Apr 2013 15:06:44
All this noncence about Rooney being man of the match yesterday. He was playing against a very poor team that gave us far too much space and yet he underhit most of his passes making united players stretch for the ball and risk getting hurt.

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Yes Kloot, we get it you hate Rooney.

He is still a Manchester United player and as long as he wears the shirt I will support him, I feel he's earned that much over all the years he's been with us.

MEF

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I thought he did OK but nothing special. Don't think he's best suited to CM personally but we can only judge after seeing him against better opposition.

HBadger

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Yes Kloot, we get it you hate Rooney.

He is still a Manchester United player and as long as he wears the shirt I will support him, I feel he's earned that much over all the years he's been with us.

MEF

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I thought he did OK but nothing special. Don't think he's best suited to CM personally but we can only judge after seeing him against better opposition.

HBadger

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Wow KLOOT, just wow u really can't let go of anything pal, I guess next time rooney plays in midfield we should arrange for city too loan stoke there midfield just so your grudges can still be valid, I dnt think any1 is suggesting we have found the answer to our midfield problems but I think people are not as stubborn to point out when a player has a very good game!
Chris the REDman
P. s I can pretty much write your reply now

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In my eyes Rooney is past his best he's got at the most 4 years left so we should cash in on him now. He should of been sold when he held the club to ransom. I've never liked him but admit he has been an excellent player in the past. This summer shoul be massive with players in & out but I won't hold my breath. The deadwood needs to be shipped out. Anderson, Nani, Young, Macheda, Bebe & I personally would sell Hernandez if it meant bringing in a top class striker. We'' probably see one midfielder wih Zaha unfortunately
Blackpool Red

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I was right about Cleverley I was right about Anderson I am right about Rooney. He has gone and Fergie is just waiting for the perfect opportunity to get rid at max price. Elephants and Fergie never forget. You held him and the club to ransom and how have you paid him back? by being overweight and not fit. P. S I was so wrong about Johnny Evans

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LMFAO. "Risk getting hurt"

This has to be up there with "RVP could have been killed comment"

Sometimes and sometimes, you sound like a bitter person. A petrified forest who is so insecure yet madly in "man love" with RVP. Did we see this guy talk about RVP for once when he was not scoring for almost 700 minutes of football for us?

Rooney was ok, nothing special, a few good touches and a few nice long passes. You can only beat the opposition in front of you. He had a better pass completion than Carrick! I don't think he is the answer to our midfield problems. But yes he was our second best player on the pitch after Vida.

Deeps.

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I don't think there was a mom, the whole team played a solid game, all be it, very boring.
We got the three points, so let's be happy for that and move to the west ham game.
We all hope that saf will buy some exciting players for the new season and change the tactics slightly to make us more solid while also playing more attractive football.
Nomidfield

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Wot about the pogba still has Manchester United in heart comment?
Chris the REDman

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Kloot, you were wrong about Evans and you will be wrong about Cleverley. Both Evans and Cleverley will be very good squad players for years to come.

Sydney!

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WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH KLOOT? Admitting being wrong? Lol. I felt Kags was good yesterday, starting to blossom after settling. Good times

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15 Apr 2013 17:27:02
so you admit you were wrong on evans. So surely then the possibility must exist that you are wrong about cleverley? MrE

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Cleverley isn't good enough for me either. Don't care about 'disagree' clicks.

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That's the way I see it too Mr. E. Many were wrong about Evans, Fletcher, O'Shea and others. All went on to contribute a great deal to United even if none of them set the world alight particularly. Cleverly will hopefully follow the same path.

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Come on people, Evans was a rock last year and has been one of our best defenders. Cleverley is yet to dominate a game. I'd love him to prove me wrong but I don't see it.

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AJH, yes he was a rock. But go back around 18-24 months (when he hit a dodgy spell after his initial good form) and you'd find plenty of fans saying he's not good enough for United. That was my point.

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Chris, that one still makes me smile just thinking about it :)

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15 Apr 2013 11:14:34
Is it possible for united to win the leauge by Monday and if so would they get the trophy there and then. {Ed002's Note - yes and no.}

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We can win the title on monday if we win both our games against west ham and Villa but require City to drop points either to Wigan or Spurs.

I'm hoping to get the title wrapped up asap unfort I don't think they'll present the trophy until the last home game - someone correct me if i'm wrong

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I want to win it at Arsenal with Van Persie getting the winner and celebrating infront of the Arsenal fans.

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That would be good but I think I would prefer to win it in front of our fans at Old Trafford, that's why i'm hoping Monday against Villa is the day lol

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Hmmm, I much prefer the gooners giving us and RVP a guard of honour. Would b special 4 his first medal in so many years. Maybe Wiltshire would become entrigued. lol

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Much as I would love to see RVP win it at the Emirates, I'd love to see it even more against Villa, when I bring the wee lad over for his birthday.

Although I'd also take it at home to Swansea when I'm over with my mates and no 10 year old hanging round, cramping my style :)

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15 Apr 2013 10:55:19
Anybody else think that it speaks volumes that Rooney, Jones and Giggs are all seemingly preferred to our natural CM's Cleverley and Anderson?

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Anderson and Cleverley are not natural central midfielders either. Anderson was a CAM when he signed from Porto and Cleverley was a CAM/left winger before the start of last season. Neither are or ever have been deep lying central midfielders until SAF played them there.

Sydney!

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It's time SAF bought specialists for the central midfield role rather than converting attacking midfielders into deep lying midfielders. Even Carrick prefers to play further ahead than he does. Come on SAF, buy a midfielder ;)

Sydney!

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Yes to be honest

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15 Apr 2013 13:09:56
Isn't anderson crocked again? I thought that was why he was out. As for cleverley I think he needed a bit of a rest, he's played a lot compared to last season and was starting to look tired. It was a gone game to rest him in as stoke don't use a midfield they just hoof it up. MrE

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MrE, exactly. It's not rocket science is it. Carrick & Cleverley are the first choice central midfielders when fully fit, unless the manager wants to add steel to the midfield then he will use Jones instead. Whilst Cleverley is getting his rest, Giggs and Rooney will fill in.

Sydney!

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15 Apr 2013 15:58:22
I've said it before, some people will just use any stick available to bash certain players. Its not rocket science at all. I'd prefer not to see giggs in the centre but if everyone else is injured what else can you do. MrE

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Anderson should have been played at the CAM-position. Terrible at defending, but possess creativity and flair, which none of our central midfielders have, except from Kagawa. As for Cleverley, I am not too impressed by him, but he is better fit for a deep-lying midfield role, compared to Ando. Hopefully he will turn info an useful player for the team. Sad to see Ando leaving, world-class talent, with tons of talent, which he still has, ruined by injuries and bad fitness.

ZigZag

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Since when did Cleverley become 1st choice? Come on Syd, we know you love him but you've now elevated him to 1st choice. Seems SAF doesn't know as he leaves him out of big games regularly.

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AJH, Carrick & Cleverley have been the most common partnership this season in central midfield. Obviously if SAF wants to bulk up the midfield he will use Jones, but when everyone is fit and fresh Carrick & Cleverley are the two that start most of the games. Tell me i'm wrong?

Sydney!

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15 apr 2013 10:21:03
fergies £150m hitlist- in di maria ronaldo zouma and fellani modric out ----nani anderson giggs & scholes

stoolsoftner

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Would be happy with any one of those apart from Fellaini, that would be backward step - from what we can tell we are trying to move towards a shorter passing game more like Barca, Fellaini doesn't have the ball control for that.

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15 Apr 2013 13:11:55
Is that the same Giggs that's signed on for next season? MrE

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You lost me at £150 Million.

-JakeW

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15 Apr 2013 10:16:48
We will sign kurt zouma and fellani and sell nani and lindergaard this summer

bfro

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15 Apr 2013 10:04:02
Happy with the win yesterday and was actually very impressed with how the team lined up aside from the wings. that is an area which needs addressing. Our strikers got no support from the flanks at all so hopefully we'll add some creativity to the squad over the summer.

Which brings me to my main point, Valencia, Anderson, Giggs, Carrick, Nani, Young, Scholes, Cleverley and Kagawa have netted 21 goals between them in the three main competitions this season. These players should be the main creative presence on our pitch, but they should be scoring as well as creating chances. Fair enough Carrick and Scholes are often played deeper, but Young, Nani and Valencia (our 3 main wingers) have just 3 goals between them, all coming from Nani. This is a worrying set of numbers and highlights the need for some goalscorers across our midfield. The likes of Mata, Hazard, Cazorla and Walcott have impressive goal tallies for the season. Is it the system we use or just player quality that is the issue?

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15 Apr 2013 09:00:13
Taxi for Cleverley?

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Why? Is he going somewhere?
Hope he brings back a souvenir for us

Safwetrust87

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Behind Rooney and giggs for the cm role?

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The last month and a half Cleverley has been showing signs of fatigue. Probably due to the amount of games he's played and not having much of a rest preseason due to the Olympics. With no Fletcher or Scholes and Powell not deemed ready, Anderson not staying fit, Giggs is next in line, then Rooney after that. It just goes to show how lacking we are in that position. Rooney was okay yesterday in midfield, but he is no Luka Modric.

Sydney!

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Rooney was completey wasted and is to talanted/creative to play in the central midfield area.
There is a simple solution to this problem, go out and buy two quality central midfielders and Rooney won't have to waste his talent playing there.
What is it with Fergie playing wingers and forwards in this position?
I thought the game was boring and yet again United did what they had to and got the win. It has become dull watching them now, where is the flair and the brilliant counter attacking what we used to see?
Don't get me wrong, Fergie is a master and a genius winning the Premier League with this side, I can't heap enough praise on him but we really need a clearout and some new players bringing in if we are to make any kind of impression in Europe.
The squad just isn't good enough.
I think we all seen that last week when we came up against a proper Midfield in Cheslea and City.

Simmo

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Rafael has also looked fatigued during games recently. I think Jones will play a few more times at RB between now and May. I think Evans will be rested a fair bit until the end of the season too, he hasn't stopped. You have to admire Carrick, 31 and has stayed injury-free and has stayed fit throughout the season. This summer we must bring in a Strootman or Bender to ease Carrick's workload.

Sydney!

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15 Apr 2013 11:37:59
Sydney!

I'm loving that, showing signs of fatigue, lol, showing signs of just not good enough.

Your trend of always having to be right must do your family and friends nuts in.

Dixie Normus

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Absolutly kloot. I wouldn't mind driving him out to station by myself. he is not united quality. although its difficult to say what's united quality now a days. watching some players in united shirt.

Rodio17

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Syd
so after playing a grand total of 30 games the 23 year old cleverly needs a rest
The 31 year old Carrick has played 33 and the 39 year old giggs 26.

Jred

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Dick, Cleverley has not looked the same player for the past couple of months. He clearly needed a couple of weeks rest. He may not end up being deemed good enough long-term, but Cleverley will play at least 30 games next season, so get used to him being here for the foreseeable future.

Sydney!

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Jred, is 30 the grand total is it? Dopey.

Sydney!

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Syd
yer he's played 30 games for United this season and according to you needs a rest.
What a load of rubbish your just making excuses up for your love child again
There's a reason Jones Rooney and giggs are getting picked in front of clevs and that's not it

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Only RvP has played more competitive games this season than Cleverley out of the entire United squad, although RvP had two month's rest before the season kicked off. Cleverley has been playing since July 20th. This isn't the first time this season the manager has given Cleverley a couple of weeks rest. Unless the manager wants to sure up the midfield with Jones, Carrick & Cleverley are the 1st choice midfield pairing when everyone is fit.

Sydney!

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KLOOT, you've banged on about Cleverly all season, so I'll give you a few points for consistency!

But how come you've gone quiet about RvP (our new saviour) in recent weeks? ;)

On Clevelry he has clearly not progressed to a point where he's forcing himself into the starting XI. As such, I would expect a CM to be bought in the summer, perhaps Strootman, so Tom will have to work harder and improve to make his mark next season.

HBadger

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I would actually agree with Syd - both Cleverly and Rafael have looked like they could do with a rest in recent weeks. They both looked less sharp in games than earlier in thew season. I know they're young men but they're not as used to playing week in week out at a top level like some other's.

This is a totally seperate issue to whether Clev is good enough or not, obviously.

HB

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Did rvp really have a 2 month rest did he not play Euro 2012
Carrick, evra, raf and Rooney have played more games than clevs.

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Gav, I agree. Cleverley hasn't done anywhere enough to convince me yet, but him and Carrick are still the first choice midfield pairing when fully fit this season. Cleverley has looked jaded for the past couple of months and he is now getting a rest.

Sydney!

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HB Badger and Sydney my whole arguement against the Brand was that he hadn't played the games or shown the quality yet he set himself up with a personal fan club and was doing Hello phot shoots. Show us some quality first of all. From what we have seen he looks like a very average water carrier. First choice Sydney? I think he is way down the pecking order and if we buy quality in the summer he will end up at somewhere like Sunderland

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I agree Kloot

If Fergie eventually decides to buy a Midfielder Cleverley will only be used against poor Premiership sides and in the cups games against lower league. Cleverley is nowhere near the standard that is required in our midfield area. If you look at the past central midfielders and compare Cleverley to the likes of Robson, Ince, Keane, and Carrick it is a total joke. Simply not good enough and never will be.
He's good back up and nothing more.

Simmo

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Yes KLOOT, I do know what your beef is with him! Like I said, you've been consistent at least :)

I can honestly say I know nothing of the whole 'Brand' thing as I don't read the Daily Mail, Hello or OK magazines. In fact the only place I've read about Cleverly's brand is through you, on here! You're inadvertantly spreading his brand awareness, lol.

I will judge him as a player only for now as that's all I know of him.

My honest opinion is he's not good enough to start regularly for us right now, so we need to buy an improvement. Cleverly will be a valuable squad player though and is still likely to improve. I think he will make a valuable contribution for years to come.

If he can help us out like players like Butt, Fletcher, Brown & O'Shea have done then he's made a good contribution. Plus there's always the outside chance he will develop into a better player.

Beyond that I don't see what the fuss is about the boy. Decent squad player, yes, set the world alight, no, should we sell him, no. What more is there to say?

I think you're just a little fixated and it's unhealthy ;)

HBadger

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Jred, no they haven't. Cleverley has played 30 games for United and 10 games for GB & England.

RvP played in the Euros that finished on the 17th June. He didn't play for United until August 20th against Everton.

Isn't that two months?

Sydney!

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Simmo, I wonder what Robson's opinion of Cleverley is?

Sydney!

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Hb
that's pretty much how I see him in the future
Jred

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Kloot, whether Cleverley will be good enough to be first choice in the future remains to be seen, but this season he along with Cleverley have been first choice.

Sydney!

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Syd
your clutching at straws using the Olympics pal
Where do you draw the line should we include the euros as well,

How many games has he played for United compared to the other players in the team
Really don't understand why you feel the need to make excuses for him to be honest?
Never mind the last couple of month I don't think he has had one standard out game all season the truth is his been average, even when he wasn't tired
Hb sums it up well imo
Have you changed your opinion of us building our midfield around him next year
Jred
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R we counting pre season friendlies as well

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Cleverley's season started in July when the Olympics started, the Olympics ran into the EPL season dopey. Cleverley has played 40 games since his preseason break. Only RvP has played more competitive games than Cleverley.

Cleverley has been showing signs of fatigue for the past couple of months and is being given a much needed rest by the manager. If he was fully fit he would be playing beside Carrick, not Giggs or Rooney.

Sydney!

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15 Apr 2013 18:06:17
People used to say the same things on fletcher. I've seen some right crap online over the years about fletcher and yet year on year he was the most improved player of the season. Look at how we've missed him the last few years. Fletcher managed to improve from squad player to vital cog. Who's to say cleverley won't either? Maybe he wont. But none of us can say for certain now or we wouldn't be here if we could predict the future we'd be in vegas. I'd settle for him to be another phil neville, or wes brown or john o, shea. We need players like that, its what sets us aside from city. Give the lad chance. If he makes it great, if he doesn't we sell and get a tidy profit. Its not hurting us either way. MrE

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Mr. E - took the words right out of my mouth!

With some people's posts you could swear we had paid £25m for Cleverly and expect him to take the EPL and CL by storm. Hopefully next season we will have better options in midfield so Clev can be used more as a squad player, which will hopefully put less pressure on him from fans as well as anyone else.

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Gav, MrE, exactly.

Sydney!

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Just my opinion, but Chelsea have Mata, city have Silva and we have Cleverley. Barca have. Madrid have. Bayern, BvB, Juventus, PSG. etc.
I'm not saying he isn't good, but I'd prefer something better. He is in the same category as Young. Good, but not class.

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15 Apr 2013 08:56:56
Am I mistaken but did Michael Owen actually touch the ball when he came on. I am sure that he came on and never once touched the ball

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15 Apr 2013 09:19:59
And a rise for Rooney.
Raffa

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Great list, Rooney clearly not world class. Deservedly man of the match yesterday though.

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Because he's played out of position

Simmo

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I thought Vidic was our best player and Booh to those of you who think he should be replaced.

He will be back next year and off this one game a week routine and barring injuries will play all the games if fit.

Shahram

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Vidic is the best defender we've got.
Nomidfield

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Vidic was MOTM for me too.

Sydney!

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Well said Sharham, can't wait for Vidic to be fit week in week out (hopefully next season). Still the best CB around IMO.

HBadger

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Vidic is our best defender, and also our leader. But. If big money was put on the table for a 31 yr old, as in enough to buy Varane. What say ye then. ? (Don't shoot me, just intrigued)

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15 Apr 2013 05:42:37
Anyone thinks Roberto Martinez would take over from SAF. Not a high profile manager but I believe he is the right candidate.

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With a team fighting in relegation? No thankyou. Seems like a nice guy and a real down to earth manager but he needs to prove himself over the next 10 years.

-JakeW

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What a brilliant idea. Give the job to a manager who has won nothing and every single season finds himself and his team in a relegation scrap. Do you remember him backing Rafa when he had his rant. Just the kind of person we want managing our club. Honestly did you even think before posting this

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What did Pep Guardiola achieved before managing Barcelona. He was managing Barcelona B if I am not wrong. By this I am not saying Mike Phelan should get the job. I just thought with some quality players up his sleeves who knows he might do better. Just my opinion

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No kloot. he hasn't think. the person who name himself fan of carrik can only have mediocre thinking. not brilliant idea brain

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But does know how to sign in and leave a name on his posts.

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Pep was extremely successful in the barca B set up and knew the club and the players inside out.
Are you seriously saying Martinez can do that at united? He'll be dealing with top players with big egos etc. He'll have to play in CL, he'll have to challenge for honors not just avoid relegation.
As ideas go this is up there with the maddest I've read.
Nomidfield

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15 Apr 2013 00:12:33
Would just like to ask what has happened to Evans haven't seen him play for last couple of weeks or even be on the bench. Is he out for rest of the season?
Furthermore Jones looking good I'm Central defence is good for the future of United and England

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