15 Aug 2012 22:34:21
So glad to see RVP coming to OT. Quality player. However, a lot of gloating on here about Utd still being able to negotiate a deal.
Lets get a wee reality check here guys - Kagawa and RVP both let it be known that they wanted to come to Utd, rather than any other club. That's a big help in any negotiations.
Still have my nagging doubts about us being able to negotiate deals for players who don't really have any preference of club.
But going to put the doubts on hold for now, at a very happy time for the club.
StevieK
ps. was watching the NI game tonight, and only flicked over now and then to the England game, but from what I saw, Clevs didn't look out of place, and Carrick looked to be running the show for England - good signs :)
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15 Aug 2012 22:24:04
great signing for united today RVP will add some much needed quality .
seems transfer window is hotting up reports of
sahin to scouse
martinez to munich
modric to madrid
llorente to arsenal
jred
I think Arsenal are still in the race for Sahin and I think Juventus or Barcelona are favourites for Llorente. It's certainly hotting up though, I will be interested to see who we go for next.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 22:20:32
Carrick, Scholes, Clev, Anderson, Kagawa, Giggs, and Fletcher in a couple of months. Do we need another mid? I think LB is more of a priority but so few out there. If we don't get another one we will miss Fabio.
CRMike
Scholes and Giggs are old and wont play many games. Anderson is poor. Fletcher might not even come back. So we do need another CM. Someone who can add a bit of steel to the centre of the park.
MU93
As good as, some of these players, are none strike fear into our opponents; that's what we've lost. Opponents all think they have a chance against us.
15 Aug 2012 22:18:59
To Sydney!
I think we found our penalty taker.
Cban
Rooney is a great pen taker but rvp is class too we have two free kick takers too!
Caolán.
De Gea saved RVP's pen last season
15 Aug 2012 22:11:22
now lets get willems and witzel and bring it on
15 Aug 2012 22:07:44
I must say that I am very happy to see Manchester United buying a player of the quality of RVP. Though I feel that Arsenal have got a good deal for a player of that age with only one year left on his contract. What i really hate though is that little Glazer toady GDS crowing about as if this suddenly makes those leaches into good owners. He chooses to completely forget what they have taken out of the club this summer. If our new RVP has half the effect that our last dutch striker had I will be more than happy. I AM KLOOT
Didn't once suggest the Glazers are good owners, you are making that up in your warped little mind sir.
GDS
15 Aug 2012 21:55:53
Well, a few days from day one of the new season and here I am to begin my 3-course meal (I hope) of crow!
Ive said from the beginning that due to the Glazers lack of financial support, we would not make sufficient improvements to challenge this season.
Kagawa (Bundesliga player of the year) to boost our attacking midfield options and RVP (needs no further introduction) for a combined fee of more or less, Andy Carroll's 35m to Liverpool!
I said we needed several new midfielders (Powell, Kagawa and a fit Cleverly is a great start), a new LB and a replacement for Berbatov as a luxury.
If we sign either a) a new LB (doesnt have to be a bank-breaker) or b) a tough, well-rounded CM engine man, we are looking good.....
We sign both? We are looking good for YEARS without having to barely touch the team! RVP and Rooney can be rotated with Chicha and Welbeck - mouthwatering prospect this season.......
The crows feet were hanging, but I've gnawed them down. The beak looks buzzing and Im not sure I can stomach the torso, but if we sign a CM and/or LB, I'll take another plateful!
RED_SKY
I think we may just revisit the Baines idea, many journalists saying it's dead, but we may have just been concentrating on the big deals first. Baines would top off a decent summer along with a Witsel type player.
Sydney!
Syd
I'd be elated with Witsel to beef up our CM options and a cheap LB. Doesn't have to be Baines, if he's gonna break the bank, target Oviedo, Izaguirre, any of the names mentioned by regulars on here!
RED_SKY
15 Aug 2012 21:47:38
Will kagawa Rooney and van persie start. Thoughts on formations eds.
Mufc
They will certainly all start.
Sydney!
----------De Gea----------
Rafael-Smalling-Vidic-Evra
-----Carrick/Scholes-----
Valencia--------------Nani
-----Rooney---Kagawa---
--------Van Persie--------
Albeit in truth a lot of formations and rotation options to choose from. Apart from LB we look to have a very strong squad with players like Cleverly (who has been brilliant today for England and at the Olympics-perhaps the reason SAF hasn't gone in for a midfielder?), Young, Jones, Rio Powell, Chica all being rotated. Even Evans and Rafeal can cover LB.
The future looks bright!
FredtheRed
15 Aug 2012 21:50:28
Mr Cleverly take a bow lad,
Good game, very impressed
Cban
There will be many people eating humble pie regarding Cleverley this season. I know their names ;)
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 21:45:27
I know pirlo was like 53 when he dominated us in euro 2012 but I'm surprised they have now turned to gabbiadini . Thought he was welsh ! ( old school humour )
15 Aug 2012 21:45:17
Good to hear about the RVP deal. Still doesn't seem real and I will only truely believe it when I see him holding the shirt next to SAF/Gill. Anyway ed/eds surely this spells the end for Berbatov?Surely? I think we will see him sold within the 7 days, meaning RVP to get the number 9 shirt.Opinions please. Well bring on monday and I can see a 0-2 score line, Rooney to get the opener and RVP to bag the second after coming on as a sub:)
CDS
15 Aug 2012 21:44:40
Although i'm sure we will seal the RVP deal, it isn't done and dusted. There are three parts of any transfer, agreeing a fee, passing a medical and agreeing terms. So far we have only done one of these, so you could say the deal is 33% done.
Don't forget we've agreed a fee with clubs before only for the deal not to happen as terms can't be agreed. And that does include agents fees.
I would be happy if this deal happens even though I feel we could spend the money better. But lets not get ahead of ourselves, the deal isn't done until you see him in a United shirt at a press conferance.
Shappy
The deal is done Shappy mate. We would have agreed a deal in principle with RVP and his agent beforehand. He will also pass the medical.
Sydney!
MU wouldn't announce it unless it was pretty certain.
Red Joe
Ever the pessimist! You're a real bundle of joy Shappy. Just enjoy the news.
Andy S
I did say i'm sure the deal will be done, i'm just issuing caution as it isn't sealed yet. The way this site is atm you'd think the deal was sealed. It does state on the United website that it isn't a done deal yet and that a medical needs to be passed and terms agreed.
I disagrwe that terms are agreed in princible as that would have ment Arsenal would have given us permission to speak to him before the deal was agreed, in which case then the club would announce that just a medical is needed.
Like I said I do feel this deal will be completed, i'm just saying don't count.your chickens.
Shappy
Shappy, the deal is done, agent fees and the player's salary would have been agreed in principle beforehand. They will just need to be agreed officially. He will pass the medical.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 21:36:25
Ed heard a rumour you where settin up a new page dedicated to all the unbelievers just so all the negative pOsts can be shown for the "true fans" that they really are. What happened today wasn't only a huge booste but a statement big players wanna play for us an wit them we are a forced to be reckoned with....... Ps great job ed
CAIN
Obviously people are going to be negative when they see player after player go to rival clubs for more money when we need the players more than they do! That said, we now have last seasons Bundesliga and Premier League players of the season which is such an improvement on what we had and hopefully Fletch gets back to full fitness which makes the squad 10 times better.
Flimbo
Im chuffed with the RVP signing but I stand by the fact we need a CM with bite and or a LB. If we sign neither, hey, we'll be awesome going forward but dodgy defensively against teams with powerful midfields.....and anyone with a decent to good right winger.
But for what it is, RVP's signing has done a lot to restore my faith, not in the owners' antics but in our ability to challenge.
RED_SKY
15 Aug 2012 21:35:12
Personally I would have preferred not to have signed RVP.
At 29 and with a history of injury problems, 24m is a gamble. Yes he has had one great season, but with only a year left on his contract, the price seems excessive.
Hernandez?
And we still haven't sold Berbatov!
I would have liked a left back or a proper central midfielder.
ANd
Initial fee is apparently £15m so the fee isn't excessive per se, some of the fee will depend on whether or not we win the UCL and EPL. Rooney & RVP for the league and UCL, Welbeck & Hernandez for the cups. Berbatov will be sold which isn't going to shock anyone. He was always going to be sold this summer.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 21:34:42
Someone posted on here a few days ago he'd wy his life that rvp would have a medical on thursday well fair play I can remember his name but he was right looks like the eds won't have their garage doors painted!
Caolán
15 Aug 2012 21:31:14
In other news... Adam Johnson is gash.
DodgyBanter
Why is he in the England squad young Nathan Redmond should be in ahead!
Caolán.
15 Aug 2012 21:27:37
Hey guys yeah i was wrong about the date we would sign van persie, my source got
It wrong i apoligise, but he understands it was due to the orice arsenal wanted, never the less i was wrong only about the date.
I was indeed right that we would sign him and that he would play one last game for arsenal before completing his move.
So again people who said he would NEVER sign and that united have no money can do one.
So anymore news i get, i wont state dates i just post the player.
But thanks for the banter guys and may we have a great season and bring back our title.
MANUTD1990
Fair play mate for having the cahones to raise your head above the parapet :)
StevieK
15 Aug 2012 21:20:13
Hey Edds I know your getting like a 1000 posts right now but I have to share my prediction!
I think the signing of RVP means it's going to be Sir Alex Ferguson's last few seasons, maybe he is going for that almighty treble? well I have been thinking and maybe this is what he is thinking of doing?
--------------De Gea
----Rafael--Vidic----Ferdinand--Evra?
---------Carrick-----Rooney
----Valencia----------------Nani?
----------------Kagz
----------------RVP
Maybe SAF will be slowly push Wayne into midfield for the big games and once Scholes retires he stays there permanently, Wayne will still get plenty of goals but not as much. He can dictate the play there and make many passes. It may happen or it may not, Kagawa could be molded into that CM position, time will tell fellow United fans!
Feel free to share your opinions and what you would do.
-JakeW
Rooney isn't good enough for the midfield, too slow, slow reactions and poor first touch. Cleverley has to play in the middle.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 21:08:28
Cannot believe Fergie just spent 24mil on RvP
Crazy. We NEED central midfielders!
In any case Lewandowski would have been a better signing. Modric going for 24mil as well.
Still in shock really.....
UmBungo
Problem is we wouldn't of got Modric for £24m, Levy wasn't go to sell at that price to an EPL team especially United.
A
Modric didnt want to play for us. RVP last seasons player of the year does! Lewandowski might be younger but will never be in RVPs class.
15 Aug 2012 21:07:59
Now we can affectionately say we have Fatman and Robin up front ;)
Welsh Red
Well I think it's funny. I AM KLOOT
You would KLOOT....
G.A.G.U.S
15 Aug 2012 21:00:14
Looks like a 433 next season with a front 3 of Rooney kagawa and RVP and imo a middle 3 of Scholes Carrick and Tony V who I believe is capable of tucking in and doesnt mind getting stuck in! This can easily change to a 442 or 451 with plenty of options from the bench
CardiffRED
Really? A 4-4-2 / 4-4-1-1 seems more likely to me.
-------------DDG-------------
RAFAEL-SMALLING-VIDIC-EVRA
-----------CARRICK-----------
VALENCIA----------------NANI
-----------KAGAWA-----------
------ROONEY-VAN PERSIE----
T0MB0Z
15 Aug 2012 21:00:13
Adam Johnson is pulling Balzaretti's kegs down.
15 Aug 2012 20:59:47
RVP will be a great signing for United and could be the missing piece of the puzzle to take the title back off Cities hands and LOL at the reaction of Arsenal fans saying that he is their worst player and they are happy that he is gone because he was the reason they weren't winning trophies a.
15 Aug 2012 20:56:33
Well, I think that about 30% of the unnamed posters will be complaining we've signed somebody for a fair amount of money, even though they've been screaming for a big name and world beating talent for the past few months.
I'm happy, I'm sure a lot of us are.
Welcome to Manchester RVP.
How sexy does this look:
____________________DDG
Toni______Ferdinand_______Vidic______Evra
Nani______Cleverley_______Kagawa____Young
____________RVP________Rooney___________
I'm sorry, but even in an 'outdated' 4-4-2 formation this still looks threatening, a bit light weight agreed.
But why would we need to worry about getting run off the ball when we're aiming to have 60%+ possession of the ball.
I'm REALLY looking forward to Monday night now.
The Moon.
-----------DDG -------------
-----smalls -Vid -Rio ---------
-Tony ----------------Nani /Evra
--------Ando ---Clev -----------
------------Kag ---------------
-------Roo --------RVP --------
Rafa in for Tony , Evans & Jonse swap with Vid & Rio . Nani ( wish he could defend) or Evra !!
Carrick and fletcher to rotate with Ando and Clev .
15 Aug 2012 19:43:57
i really dont know who but c'mon SAF isnt going to miss one or two pre season matches over RVP he hadnt even spoken to arse n venger at this stage so it would all heve been their people talking to our people, all i know is fergie doesnt waste his time so i wonder who else he is obviously fighting for do you know ed
dave
15 Aug 2012 20:53:26
Shame on you, to all those people who said there would be no more signings this season. That we had no money and weren't in the market for top players! Welcome to United RVP. What a strike force. Would just like a CM now. In Fergie we trust.
Boyley
Whilst I am pleased about RVP I believe it will be the midfield signing or signings that define where we are. We are certainly dangerous up front with RVP but CM and Nani still concern me. Those are going to be the telling signings
Red Man
Don't think we will buy a midfielder, as we will probably play RVP and Rooney up top so it would be a midfield of 2 of which 1 is Kagawa and then pick from 1 from Scholes, Cleverley (who i think done well tonight and played well with Kagawa against Hanover), Anderson, Carrick or maybe even Fletch to play with Kagawa.
The only way i see us buying a midfielder is if we sell one of the above or Fletch dosn't make it back to full fitness.
Winston
LB & CM are more important than replacing Nani IMO.
Sydney!
Sydney
SAF has spent summer chasing Hazard , Rodriguez and Moura whilst not giving a new contract to Nani who admits to feeling unloved by United. What does that say to you?
Personally I don't want to watch another season of wastefulness by Nani.
Red Man
Red Man, I can see Nani being replaced, but I think LB and CM are more important. We have enough firepower to cope without Nani.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 20:52:55
I wouldn't even like to say what our best starting 11 would be at the minute, so many options, the perfect headache to have. Joyous.
15 Aug 2012 20:50:17
Rvp will bring another brilliant asset to us, someone who can take a decent free kick! Very excited to see him in a united shirt! Great signing!
15 Aug 2012 20:30:16
take that back..
ON www.manutd.com too now...
come on RVP... DM/CM & LB and dream land
OXred
15 Aug 2012 20:23:59
Its very unlikely but what about adam johnson, I've always reated him very high, all he's doing is bench warming for city, only problem is, he plays for city and they'd never sell to us
LiamA
I just posted Adam Johnson is gash, then scrolled down the page and saw this!
No no no no no no no no no no no no no no noooooooooo. I'd rather have Milner, the slowest winger in the west, and that is saying something.
DodgyBanter
MOTD Fever strikers again, we don't need any city rejects mate, he is a player who would shine at the likes or spurs or Newcastle.
-JakeW
One of the players I rated so highly a year or two ago, but doesn't seemed to improved but then again if you don't play young players they won't develop.
Red Joe
15 Aug 2012 20:21:11
He scores when he wants ...........expect welbeck and Hernandez to step up and score more . They'll need to!
Jay-c
We will have a strong League Cup team this season.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 20:17:24
Brilliant to see on the united web site we have agreed a fee with arsenal for RVP what an attack we have at our disposal with rooney, welbeck, RVP, hernandez and kagawa linking in! Bring on monday night and title No. 20!
Titchmatt89
15 Aug 2012 20:11:19
Well it's official...all those doubters that thought United "couldn't negotiate their way outta a paper bag" seem to have been well wrong! Roo, RVP n Kagawa will be a lethal combination! Just gotta work out how to fit everyone in! Come on red men!
RedCraig
We've negotiated a £24m deal for an injury prone 29 year old in the last year of his contract who'll probably end up on £200k+ a week for the next 4 years and will have no resale value come the end of his contract.
A good signing (albeit a luxury one somewhat) - but a poor deal from a financial point of view and a risk given his injury record and the damage that will be done to the development of Welbeck and Chico!
That said - If we go on to sign the CM our team has needed for the past 2 years (I'm still hoping for M'Villa) - I'll be happy as Larry with our transfer dealings this summer.
T0MB0Z
15 Aug 2012 20:04:51
Firstly I am delighted RVP is joining us. £24m is a lot , but not if he performs like he did last season. I look forward to seeing him in the shirt. I wonder what number?
Welcome to Henriquez who looks to have real potential.
Now I hope for a CM and a Nani replacement
Red Man
£24m must be the total fee including add-ons. I wonder what the initial fee is? £19m/£20m perhaps?
I hope we do end up paying the full £24m as that means we will be EPL & UCL champions.
Sydney!
He's got to be our new number 9?
T0MB0Z
Deffo number 9 sorry Berba but thats life
ARB
I heard it's £22.5m rising to £24m if we win the league or champions league at any point in the next 3 years.
T0MB0Z
T0MB0Z, Mark Ogden and Miguel Delaney both saying £15m initial fee, £7m-£9m add-ons.
United saying £22m, Arsenal saying £24m.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 20:02:36
Last thing you want to see after 1 minute is De Rossi trying to smash Cleverley in half!
15 Aug 2012 19:51:32
Now that the deal is done, I can post a lineup without worrying about jinxing anything.
De Gea
Rafael Vidic Rio Evra
Valencia Cleverley Kagaway Nani
Rooney RVP
Yeah, that works......-KG
Nice team, however i hope we can use a different formation as 442 seems dated now.
MU93.
It is going to be hard to fit them all in but if we can get witsel or another strong dm/cm I would play this formation.
______ De Gea
Raf _ Vidic _ Smalling _ Evra
___ Witsel _ Cleverly
_ Nani _ Rooney _ Kagawa
_______ RVP
OXred
15 Aug 2012 19:49:37
All the negatives on this site abt Rvp is a joke he is a world class player n the prospect of this partnership with the white pele n Rvp is freigtening
This is great business from the club n shows those noisy neighbours not to get ahead of there self the trophy is only on loan n it will b bk united united united
15 Aug 2012 19:49:30
Syd,
1-0 to me I believe sir?
The much hated (but correct): PJ
PJ, I am not sure RVP to United has been a shock for anyone, especially me. I knew if he didn't sign a new deal United would have been on it. Glad it went through.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 19:47:26
I am looking forward to people putting a glazer negative spin on this one. Fantastic signing, see guys we can sign the top players and they don't always go elsewhere.
Rooney, van Persie, Welbeck, Hernandez, kagawa, nani, Valencia, young.
Don't you just love love love football?!
GDS
Spot on GDS. Signing the German player of the yearand the English player of the year in one window. Not bad with a team with no money!
Mumbles
It's a massive fee if reported £24 M (including add ons) is true... It is top dollar for a player at the top of their market value... Arsenal have got a great deal, hopefully we have too.
If he stays fit for 4 years we'll be laughing. Hope Fergy brings back rotation of strikers, including Rooney, he's been over played last few years.
DodgyBanter
GDS
Delighted to see RVP and hope for the CM we all hope plus a Nani replacement. If we do that I will be happy.
By the way in your statement Rooney was a major signing that happened but it was pre Glazer
Red Man
The anti Glazier spin starts here. There will be no midfielders or LB coming in now they have splashed the cash
Red Snapper
Now hes here im looking forward to seeing him play up front with rooney,gds im not being negative but compaired to the other targets we let slip i dont think anybody else was prepared to go where we have with our offer.
johndenton
Dodgy,
100% agree, last season we could not rest Rooney because we looked so weak without him. This season Rooney can rest and we can play RVP, keeping the attack fresh and still with a major threat.
Red Man,
My list wasn't Glazer signings, it was our front 8, but now I come to think of it, 6 of them are Glazer signings, not bad for a club who don't have any money huh!
GDS
Red snapper?
I disagree I think one more signing will come in. We have Cleverley to play in midfield, he's going to be a revelation this season.
GDS
GDS
A net spend of £80m over 7 years prior to RVP gives you no room whatsoever to give any credit to our owners, none. RVP is a step in the right direction but not enough , it is their next actions that will be telling
Red Man
Red Man, those figures are inaccurate, United's accounts prove that.
Sydney!
15 Aug 2012 19:44:45
I know, my post would be in a long queue of posts! But i am thrilled, RVP is finally ours.
Thats making a big big statement.
Source - Manutd.com .. No ifs No buts(Unless u really think that the medical wont go through)
Bring it on, Number 20... and watch it Citeh
RVP,Rooney,Kagawa wooohooo
Deeps...
15 Aug 2012 19:42:26
Really happy Fergie could finally pull of a big signing to shut up these so called fans! Welcome to old trafford boy!
-JakeW
15 Aug 2012 19:40:03
I can't find the script, but I'm sure someone posted that they thought SAF wanted RVP as he intends to step down soon, hence the interest in a 29 year old. Much as my personal prefrence is to ignore RVP at the price that has been banded around, I don't think that SAF thinks the way the way that was suggested. He makes decisions for the better of the club rather than to boost his own standing, which let's face it doesn't need much of a boost. We are talking about a man who has regularly taken some blows in order to try and further his team. A man who whose influence will continue beyond his tenure.
Give him some credit. He is an individual but look at what he has done for our team (and his) over the years. If he wants RVP it will probably be because he feels that we need to convert more chances than we did last year.
Pip
15 Aug 2012 19:36:51
get in there,,,rvp may not have been what we needed most but if someone of his ability becomes available then what a signing to make,,,if he'd joined city they would have been very hard to stop but our frontline looks frightening now lm
15 Aug 2012 19:35:14
Well we have got RVP, even though I feel other areas need strengthened before the striking department it is always great when United sign a top class player.
Rjmanutd
15 Aug 2012 19:35:12
Great news that RVP fee has been agreed, Ssn and both websites confirm!
Ireland Red
15 Aug 2012 19:35:07
Man Utd website confirms that a fee has been agreed with Arsenal for RVP subject to personal terms and medical.
Best strike duo in the EPL?
KB
Best strike duo in the world maybe?
Hernandez and Welbeck i assume we are on about ;)
Cban
No need for a question mark mate.
MelonRed
15 Aug 2012 19:39:39
Robin van Persie has signed for Manchester United. Still can't imagine him in a United jersey.
Barca Devil
Shocking , rvp at 24 million , i mean like 24 million for a player closer to old age pensioners scholes and giggs age , and i mean the guy is even using just for men for goodness sake lol, time for saf to call it a day i think , at least i can always rely on the utd news for a good laugh , for heavens sake rio is even faster than rvp , please feel free to leave a comment, cheers............lfc
Lfc just f**k off with your jealousy!
G.A.G.U.S
Still cost us less than Carroll and Adam and neither of them will be playing for you next season so back to you own site lfc
ARB
Lfc i would like to take you up on your offer to leave a comment; in fact just for you two comments.
You sign Borini, we sign RVP
You sign Allen, we sign Kagawa
15 Aug 2012 19:38:41
Rvp rvp. Good to have on board. It could be a massive coup if he stays fit. Nozzla
15 Aug 2012 18:35:55
no concrete interest, but Senegalese international Serigne Kara Mbodj looks an incredible holding midfielder. 18 years old, incredibly powerful, and he's about 6'4". He plays for Norwegian club Tromsř.
15 Aug 2012 19:29:55
Rvp to join but deal of the day Martinez to Bayern for 10 million. How I wish we had done that.
Martinez cost Bayern E40m...
T0MB0Z
The fee was 30m euros plus Martinez waived 10m euros from his salary over the five year contract. So Bilbao gets 40m euro, but Bayern pay just 30m euros. Martinez badly wanted the Bayern move. We would have had a look I'm sure, but Witsel looks to be the way we are going next.
Sydney!
It's 40 million!!
GDS
10 million? What are you on about? That is BS
G.A.G.U.S
15 Aug 2012 17:31:29
RVP Signing is massive for us ! People keep talking about how he's too old. Yet he's reaching the usual peak age for a striker . People question wether he can play with Rooney . The easiest thing to ask yourself is what happens if Rooney is out for 6 weeks around Christmas and were pushing for the title. Who is going to lead the line - welbeck and Hernandez just aren't up to it yet. If you want to be successful you need solid contingency that's why it's a must for us if we can get him. You can't judge his injury record previously that well cause arsenal were forced into rushing him back to fitness the last few years whenever he picked up an injury and your body cant take it .We don't do that ! Please before you make crazy statements have a look at the bigger picture . Shandy
Agreed, he just turned 29 last week, all this too old crap is ridiculous. I wonder if the Barca fans were moaning about David villa's age when he signed.
BornInToIt
I am with you shandy...
not really sure where he fits in and i would personally have preferred to get a world class dm/cm in first, but there can be no argument that rvp is a world class forward and it is not for us to worry how fergie fits him in, it is fergies....
i just hope that kagawa is now not played out of position as he looks really sharp in the middle (and happy), but like you say if either rooney or rvp got injured then we have the other to cover.... and i for one think this can only be a fantastic option for us..
oxred
15 Aug 2012 19:27:13
On Arsenal Website---
Arsenal Football Club can confirm that terms have been agreed for the transfer of Robin van Persie to Manchester United.
Van Persie will travel to Manchester on Thursday in order to agree personal terms and complete a medical ahead of the proposed move.
Further updates will feature on Arsenal.com in due course.
Hurray
Vicky
15 Aug 2012 19:26:42
Well, there you go! Let's hope we've made the right choice with RVP.
G.A.G.U.S
15 Aug 2012 19:24:24
MUTV just announced we have agreed a deal with Arsenal to sign RVP subject to a medical so all you doubters eat your words
ARB
15 Aug 2012 19:24:18
from utd website agreement reached with arsenal over rvp subject to medical and personal terms
15 Aug 2012 19:21:27
We have signed RVP on MUTV now!!
Rudderpost
15 Aug 2012 19:12:53
Javi Martinez has reportedly signed for Bayern Munich for 40 million euros.
Good player and would have liked him but yet again a ridiculously overpriced youngster is bought stupidy.
If he is that good he should be in the spanish team instead of Alonso/Busquets, and should have been good at the the olympics (FYI he was awful)
RedKnight
Personlly i've always thought he's a bit over-rated. Good player but not as good as some people hype him up to be. That said he has potential to reach the levels people think.
15 Aug 2012 19:05:17
Some bits and bobs from Henriquez's interview regarding his switch to us
Cracking atitiude from the young lad, really great to see.
However, speaking to Chile paper La Tercera, Henriquez touched on his bewilderment at the speed of the deal.
"I am super happy to get to Manchester United. I'm fulfilling a dream," he said.
"I am going where I wanted.
"You look on television and see the outstanding players, scoring spectacular goals. I cannot waste this opportunity.
"It is not clear what will happen with my future.
"I want to play in the first team of Manchester United. That's my first thought.
"If they decide to send me on loan, I would prefer to continue at Universidad, although I will do whatever United deem appropriate."
Source: The Independent
Hallis
15 Aug 2012 19:01:06
Javi Martinez off to Bayern. Really disappointed we didn't at least try for him, even though 32.5m is a lot. They now have Schweinsteiger and Martinez in CM. *sigh if only we could have something close to that.
SqueakyBum
Hows about Rooney and RVP up front? That trumps Mario Gomez I'd say : )
Gav
15 Aug 2012 18:59:30
this is no Man United rumour ,jx heard bayern munich have signed javi martinez.can any one let me know which other layers are being linked to man united apart from rvp.i personally will like to see in the cm psition one of these players(sahin,dembele.witsel) and at left back baines
15 Aug 2012 18:57:53
Viv Anderson made a valid point tonight... There is a mixed response to RVP because of his age,price tag etc.
It's all good signing youth for the future of the club, but you have to look for the present aswell and RVP is that man. Fergie knows he isn't in the game much longer and wants another couple league titles and the champions league again. He needs world class players and we don't really have the funds to buy the likes of Moura, Modric,Moutinho. To get RVP for £20million would be a steal and would probably give us the edge over are opponents.
RVP+Rooney=Best strike partnership in world football
RedKnight
15 Aug 2012 18:55:39
Modric is reportedly on his way to Madrid to finalise his move
The fee is in the region of £23.6 Million plus £3.9 in add ons
After saying they want £35 Million why is it reported so cheap?
15 Aug 2012 17:23:10
It seems all the positions that worry us could be filled by Dortmund! We should bid for Dortmund! ;-)
G.A.G.U.S
Only if we get the half time Wursts and that keepers girlfriend who modelled the new kit launch....
15 Aug 2012 17:20:56
Just thought I would have a say on a few things.
I for one would be very happy with the purchase of RVP for the team and for the club as a whole. The signing will pump some belief that we can still attract big players (not potentially big players from Brazil) that can make a difference now. He is proven quality and can operate in a couple of positions which can further aid the attack as a whole.
Some may say up to 25m is way to much but just last season we bought Young in his last year and he cost 16m so of course if we are trying to get one of our rivals best players and captain then we will have to pay more. I dont like the thought of paying that much but its a sellers market and we will have to pay what it takes.
The one thing thats really gripping my sh*t about it is the length of time it is taking. We have far more important areas that need attention as to be honest we don't really NEED a striker but do need at least 1 CM and a LB.
I think they (SAF and co) hope (although unlikely) if we have RVP in the line up next Monday as the cameras run down the line of players we will look strong: Rooney, RVP, Kagawa ending with Vidic. I agree it will look strong and up lifting. But the problem for me is not just adding top players its adding the top players for the correct positions needed.
We will look good in the line up until we set up and start playing. Then after Everton/ whoever we are playing uses the tactics that everyone can see works against us (pressing the CM's and targeting LB) we will be back to square one with no control over games and basically having to outscore teams to win. Obviously this works a fair percentage in the Prem but against tactically more advanced teams at home and in Europe we will be shown up again.
The last few years it was Barca spanking us tactically, last year Benfica, Basle and Bilbao all showed how some research into our team comes up with the same way to beat us. Yet still no reinforcement in either area.
In fact we are weaker.
Fabio gone basically guarantees Evra a start. So for Monday a top tip is have Hibbert in your dream teams. It is frankly embarrassing he is still at the club. I might be sounding a bit harsh here but if you underperformed for 2 years in any other job (while still being a top earner) directly contributing to the company not reaching its targets you wouldn't have that job either would you? Blanc sees it and swapped him out for Glichy after one game because he couldn't handle Milner. Not Ronaldo or Messi or Robben or any other top class wide man but James fu**ing Milner. I really see this as a massive weakness that any team with a half decent manager will look to directly target. Against Everton we will see Pienaar pushed up and Hibbert backing him up with Jelavic and Fellaini waiting in the middle for the cross that will be guaranteed to come in.
We need this sorted ASAP! And I am hoping we just pay whats needed and get Baines.
On to CM. I really am getting a bit worried that this showing of Fletch and released info from Levein might be a way of showing us he is nearing a return and then classed as the new CMer we need. I am very sceptical about all info released about our players that does not come directly from SAF. Even then he can have different motives as to the info he releases. On the Fletch sittu lets just say I have a source that is going to try and get some info straight from the horses mouth on his return and will try and get this at the Scotland team meet up. Not guaranteed by any means but if I hear anything I will pass it on.
The CMers we have are quite pitiful for the top team we are. A squad consisting of 2 players 37+, Ando always injured and not good enough, Fletch long term ill and zero guarantee how he will get on, Carrick over 30 as well and not of the top quality I think we should have in there as a starter and Clevs who injury free can hopefully push on into a top player (again no guarantees). Out with that its Jones who is a defender, Powell/ Tunners/ Petrucci who all have no exp at this level so surely cant be thrust into the first team yet as Pogba was the only youngster I have seen that IMO could have gone straight in and settled in no problem.
It is the most important area of the park especially if we do intend on moving forward and adapting tactics to 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 yet we are going forward with the same midfield that was overwhelmed by teams like Swansea last year, Blackpool the year before. Then we look at Newcastle or Spurs who have bought players like Tiote, Cabaye, Sandro, Parker, etc none of which were well known before or in Parkers case considered good enough but they change their tactics slightly and the best of those players comes to the fore. During that time other teams have bought top CMers that dont even need them. Madrid have loads and are still trying to buy Modric or Witsel for 30+m, Barca have the best CMer in the world with Thiago a ready made replacement. Juve got Vidal last summer for a tiny price of 14m to add to exp signing of Pirlo and younger players like Marchesio, Bayern have Bastian, Kroos.
Even second tier teams like Benfica: Witsel, Garcia, Bilbao: Martinez, De Marcos, Inter: Sneijder, Cambiasso, the list goes on, all have younger fitter and in most cases above more quality in the starting pairings than we can muster together.
Look at Arsenal, They sold arguably their best player in Fabregas yet still in CM they have Ramsey, Wilshere, Arteta, Carzola, Song, Diaby. They are all natural CMers and good ones at that. Not the best by a long shot but a far better squad overall than we have yet the player we are targetting wants to leave them as they are not competitive enough. If our defence was not as good as it is and we didn't have Rooney we would be struggling big time. We do struggle when Rooney is off form. So much so that we have to keep playing him to get him through his slumps that can stretch 8-9-10 games. We would be far better at coping with the off form Rooney if we were still dominating CM or pressing the opposition into mistakes. But we still are not showing signs of that even though we were supposed to change to that style last Summer.
Overall I see the projected signing of RVP as a good thing irrelivent of price but I cannot fathom why we seem to be spending all our time chasing his signature while trying to argue down a couple of million when CM and LB need far more attention and more importantly, they need a far more open minded approach to what we are going to pay for the players we want.
As a few have said, we need to spend what is needed now on proven quality and all players are available if you are willing to meet the asking price for the players we want. Lets hope SAF doesn't chuck his toys out and just go with what we have this season as we really do not have what it takes to go toe to toe with the best and be confident of a win.
Jono
I'm too tired to read this. I'll read it tomorrow mate.
G.A.G.U.S
15 Aug 2012 18:24:55
Carsick and cleverly both starting tonight I expect the same on mon
Jay-c
15 Aug 2012 18:22:34
I want to know how many from here really wants RVP and you have to consider his price tag and his age!
Personally I'd rather have Cisse from Newcastle from around the same fee or less. Proven in Premier league or Lewandowski!
Red Samurai!
Half a season is not proven in the premier league. Seriously doubt Cisse will score any way near that many goals next season.
Red Joe
Cisse had a great first season there is no doubting that, but would you really prefer him to RVP for any other reason than his age? Yes, there may be no sell on value for RVP but he is 29 so we could/should permitting injury get a good 3/4 years out of him. Wasnt Cantona only at the club for 4 years and Ronaldo 5? RVP has always been a fantastic player in the premiership, always thought he was excellent when he came same time as Ronaldo, the only concern on him is injuries. It is a lot of money all things considered, but it is for quite possibly the best player in the premiership last season, we should be grateful come on
Invisible STuey
Well tough sh*t mate we have singed RVP all you have to worry about now is all those broken souls in the other teams defences when wazza and rvp rip them to shreads :)
Coombesy
15 Aug 2012 18:15:12
INS ~ Robín Van Persie - £22m .....(2)....Neil Taylor/Bryan Oviedo - £8m ......(3).......H.Angelo - £4m ........(4)........Axel Witsel - £25m ....(5)...Isco - £8m And/Or ....(6).. James Rodrigues - £8m if Nani decides to leave but fingers crossed that he signs the contract OUTS ~ Berbatov - £5m .....Macheda - £4m ....Bebe - £2m
James Rodriguez 8m?! This is Porto he plays for and would cost at least triple that.
15 Aug 2012 17:58:26
Many Thanks to Jim White who sings from the same Hymn sheet as me:
As starts to the season go, Manchester United's has been woeful. Not on the field of play, as yet, but on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange. The club's flotation is holed below the waterline, sinking fast. Together with , they are in the stock market relegation zone, on the point of ejection from the big time.
Hoping to sell off 10 per cent of their holdings in order to pay off some debt and channel some cash into their other failing businesses, the Glazer family anticipated that United shares would spin off at around $14 a piece. Some fanciful claims were made in order to flog the shares, not least the suggestion that the club has 659 million followers worldwide. 659 million followers? It's a football club, not an ant colony.
The NYSE was not impressed by such accounting. Nor were they by the figures coming out of the club about the cost of Glazer ownership. Chelsea and Manchester City both went into huge debt in order to finance the purchase of players and coaches, Arsenal went into debt to pay for a new stadium, United were plunged into borrowing simply in order to facilitate the Glazer takeover.
The money chucked away during their ownership is now estimated at £553m, comprising £295m interest payments, £128m debt repayments, £101m for various bits of financial reengineering (fees for takeover, refinancing, interest swap termination, bond issue and IPO) and £29m payments to the Glazer family via consultancy fees and dividends.
In the last nine months alone, £79m has simply disappeared from the club accounts: interest £43m, bond buybacks £28m, IPO professional fees £5m and £3m consultancy fees, not to mention £10m dividends to the Glazer family to repay loans taken out previously.
Sure, if the club had remained a plc, dividends and tax would have had to be paid. But Andy Green, the financial blogger, reckons if you take away what would have had to be paid out in plc costs, the club has forked out £330m more than they would otherwise have done since the Americans parked their mortgage in the forecourt.
Investors don't like such figures. Nor do they like the admission in the flotation prospectus that "our indebtedness could adversely affect our financial health and competitive position." No s**t, Malcolm. If you want to know how much the Glazers have affected United's on-field competitiveness check out these figures: since 2005/06 United's net spend in the transfer market is £68m. In the same period, Chelsea's net spend is nearly £300m while Manchester City's is over £400m. In 2008, United's wage bill was £67m higher than City's. Now it is £21m lower, a turnaround of £88m in just three years.
Even the parasites themselves appreciate that debt needed to be removed from the club as a matter of urgency. But far from using the money accrued from the sale to pay down the borrowings, the Glazers revealed that half of it would be siphoned off elsewhere to prop up their fading property empire. Ultimately only about 12 per cent of the debt is likely to be addressed by the float. Less major surgery of the problem at the heart of their ownership than a mild local anaesthetic.
Nor were potential buyers particularly thrilled by the Glazer offer involved in these shares: 10 per cent of the ownership was to be floated off but in return the buyer got nothing. No voting rights, no dividend. The only purpose in purchasing a share was the hope it might increase in value and thus there could be profit in its resale.
Well so far — despite some vigorous panic-buying by the banks behind the flotation — all it has done is sink. And the problem is, with every plummet, so the Glazers' assumption of what their asset is worth is being put in stark new perspective. Forbes magazine recently reckoned United the "most valuable sports franchise" in the world, worth just over £1.6 billion. The NYSE has put the total somewhere closer to £500m. And with debts of £400m still waiting to be paid off, that is a dangerously low figure.
Sadly, what such a chastening flotation means is this: the Glazers are likely to hang around, dig in further for the long haul. Look at this logically. The family did not buy United because they loved football, were moved by the story of the Busby Babes or wanted to experience the atmosphere when Liverpool come to Old Trafford. They bought it to make money. Bailing out now, when the club is at its lowest assumed value in a decade would make no sense. They need independent valuation of somewhere north of £1.5bn to be tempted to part with the club.
Particularly as the torrent of cash generated by Sir Alex Ferguson's operation shows no sign of abating. Where else in their empire of debt can the family members accrue management fees totting up to £20m a year? The money coming from fans' pockets is the life-support system their leveraged out business requires.
Of course, a Middle Eastern state development fund might be watching what is happening with City and think they too want a part of the Premier League's promotional possibilities and might be prepared to part with silly money to get hold of the world's biggest football brand. But frankly that is the only way the Glazers will depart the scene anytime soon.
And until they do go, it is United's fans who will pick up the tab for the honour of having the Glazer name above the door. They will be the ones obliged to watch as Chelsea, City, Barcelona and Madrid continue to move away over the horizon.
But hey, who are they to complain? After all, as their manager has pointed out, "proper fans" will recognise that the Glazers have been good for United. Which, as observations go, is a bit like an oncologist telling his patient that, if he only stopped moaning and looked at the bigger picture, the rampant cancer currently ravaging his liver has been good for his body. I AM KLOOT
Not even reading that, it will be negative guff, we just signed the Pfa player of the year for quite a lot of money, what are your thoughts on that???
GDS
Hope you enjoyed your holiday KLOOT
We just signed RVP btw great news, no!?
Onto your post, I obviously dislike the fact a lot of our revenue goes on debt repayment (goes without saying but I said it anyway) but then I won't particularly enjoy seeing how much is drawn from the club in dividends if/when we are debt free. But all that really matters is that we spend enough on the squad to keep us challenging on all fronts. If that happens then maybe we shouldn't care too much about what happens to the rest of the funds - whover owns us will make money from us in some way surely
We have invested well so far in Kagawa and RVP, both will imrove us from early doors. And I'm delighted we've got Powell and Henriquez for small amounts - if either reaches the heights we aspire them to we'll be onto a right winner for years to come. If we also sign a CM and LB I'll be over the moon, if we sign either I'll still be happy
Anyway not trying to say we're in a great position or putting a positive spin on things (before you accuse me, lol) but my point is; if we get a summer like that, like our squad needs - who are we really to question the running of the club? We don't own it and even if I did I would want a good return for owning such an expensive asset
So long as the owners keep us profitable, and invest enough of our revenue to keep us competetive long term I'm not going to worry myself too much about the rest of the finances. And anyway if I was inclined to look into the 'additional £330m' we have apparently paid out due to the debt I would have to also consider the large increases in revenue (over and above what would be expected with inflation) to see how the figures match up
I reiterate, if we tie up RVP and get another 1 or 2 players that enable us to compete at the top I'm not going to worry about the rest. If we sell Rooney or Nani and don't replace them - then I'll start questioning the running of the club no doubt!
Gav
Welcome back lol
johndenton
Hold on GDS, I don't always agree with yer man, but you should at least read his article before dismissing it.
It has a negative tone, yes, but you can't dismiss some of the points raised out of hand.
We should be happy right now, and rightly so with RVP arriving, but that doesn't mean people can't express genuine fears about the future of the club in the long term as well.
Go on mate, read it - I dare you :)
StevieK
15 Aug 2012 17:55:40
Great to see Carrick, Clevs and Young all starting for England tonight will make the all much more fit for the start of the season! Who else is looking forward to the first game against Everton? Time to get pay back from last season I think.
I think England will draw 2-2 tonight and United will beat Everton 3-0 Monday! Would be a dream if we got Van Persie signed by then and had him playing straight away but very unlikely.
-JakeW
15 Aug 2012 17:46:16
WHY has there been no talk of Alan Dzagoev?!? I keep a close eye on all transfer rumours, and I have yet to see any club linked to him.
He had a fantastic Euro's, he is only 22, still playing at CSKA and would probably be available at around 15 million, taking into the account past transfer fees CSKA have accepted for their young starlets.
I expect us to sign RVP in the coming days, but I really hope there is something going on in the background with regards to a CM. If Fletch was 100% fit and able to play week in week out, I wouldn't have any worries, but its not the case.
I trust in Fergie, and I reckon hes got a surprise or two lined up in the coming weeks.
If we have enough money to spend, id still take Modric if possible, but i doubt we have 35+ to spend if we spend 22+ on RVP.
CM i would like to see at OT this season (in this order)
Modric
Moutinho
Witsel/Dzagoev
Dembele
I have no inside information, but it's safe to assume the Russian club has no financial need or inclination to sell. -KG
Sounds like Modric off to Madrid. Personally I think all the others further down are real flavours of the month and all very over rated though good players.
Very good shout of Dzagoev, had totally forgotten about him but yes very surprising nobody has made a move for the player
Invisible stuey
15 Aug 2012 16:57:38
I read here a lot that many of you dont want RVP (if he is coming) as he is 29 and 20m+ is a lot for him. Somewhere in my heart I also feel the same, why not get a younger player but then I look at David Villa. He wasnt much younger when he joined Barca and he cost them a fortune but thats the price you have to pay for quality even if you can get only a few seasons out of them.
Long Duck Dong
Has now been confirmed by Official MU Website! Really good news for me.
Totally agree with the post 4 good seasons out of him would be the same as Cantona. Lets just hope he doesnt start the season with the same injury record as Villa though!
Invisible STuey
15 Aug 2012 16:53:43
Hi guys - worried about the backlash that is going to happen when we don't sign RVP. Let's be realistic eh? It would be cool, but we're not going to pay what Arsenal want.
Twitter is going mad with this talk but it's simply not going to happen. Let's focus on the positives of Kagawa, Fletch coming back, our new man up front and also let's not forget we've signed Nick Powell who will be awesome!
GEG
Well....... this is awkward!
G.A.G.U.S
United have agreed a fee. offical on mutv
I think you should take that back...
Ste-Utd
Oooooops :-)
HERBIE
You look foolish now.
Nozzla
And yet we've agreed a fee.
TK-Red
Too late, he will be with us in a couple of days, I am delighted he is a class act! he will be fantastic for United.
Oh dear! how does that humble pie taste.
togthered.
No backlash mate deal agreed just medical etc and its sorted. I am happy as I have said before if he stays fit he will be awesome. Bookedredmole
Ha ha I agree G.A.G.U.S I read this about 2min after seeing we had agreed a fee for rvp. We still have to agree personal terms (if football hasnt changed since I retired then this will not be a problem and will have already been agreed in principle with his agent) and he needs a medical but these should be a formality. Bookedredmole
15 Aug 2012 16:33:34
I've read an a article regarding Royston Drenthe. IMO, not bad of a player, reminds me of a young Edgar Davids. Most importantly, he's not old and is a free agent this summer. He can be our cover or challenge Evra. Why aren't we pursuing this guy or are we?
E.A {Ed007's Note - There is no interest in him at all from Utd, his off the field lifestyle wouldn't be tolerated. Moyes looked into 'sacking' him while he was at Everton. Think of a cross between Carroll and Balotelli.}
Im thinking Balotelli with a pony tail in Ibiza drinking crunk juice with Paris Hilton.
Cban
15 Aug 2012 16:09:51
Some sad news in the football world as Fabrice Muamba has today decided to retire. :(
Such sad news, he could've been a promising player.
At least he is still alive. Hopefully Bolton give him a role in the club
Caolán.
I think any news that involves Muamba being alive is a miracle. Football is such a distant second to him having survived, as we've seen from other leagues, that is far from guaranteed in these situations. -KG
15 Aug 2012 15:54:20
I know this may be a bit random but this has been bothering me for quite a while now.
Now and again you see people on this site complaining about plastic fans and saying how many of yous live in Manchester and go to matches. Because I don't have the luxury of going to much matches and because I live in Ireland and not Manchester I get called a plastic fan?
ThIs is rubbish. I can't afford to go to ot every week or even every year. I have gone once and I plan on going again.I know as much about the club as many other fans and watch every match be it on tv or online. I'm on this site every day and I love the club . How am I plastic?
Jay-c
I'm the same as you mate I know exactly how you feel!
Caolán. {Ed007's Note - Just ignore people who come out with that BS. If Man Utd didn't have fans all over the world they wouldn't be the biggest club in the world.}
I'm in the Same Boat Jay-c, Im Irish and havnt gone to many matches but i have been supporting the club since 1994! I watch every match and research every player the club is mentioned with, yet people still call me a plastic fan and a glory Hunter. I dont get it!
James.
It doesn't matter if you can go to the game, or you don't live in Manchester. I think these "plastic fans" are aimed toward the ones who only supported United because they won the league, or had Ronaldo and pull strops when we don't make a £30 million signing. Don't worry bud a lot of our fans are even British let alone from Manchester.
-JakeW
You're not a plastic fan. I know people over here who have been season ticket holders since the 70s that can no longer afford it because of the massive increase in prices during the last decade. We're living through a recession and other priorities come first.
Being a supporter isn't about how much you spend, although I have seen a trend here to use the phrase "I have a season ticket" as proof of being a real supporter. Just make sure that if you are planning on going to a game that you don't buy your ticket from one of the tout sites that charge a few hundred per ticket.
Danny Pughnited
Afraid it happens at every club Jay-c
SOME fans who do go to matches feel they are superior. Don't let it bother you - just let them work out for themselves why they NEED to feel superior
Puzzled
You've answered your own question mate, you love the club, you know the history and you want to go to more matches if you could afford it.
I'm from Cornwall and have supported United since 1966, I too know the history of the club, I've been to countless matches and now that I've finished playing rugby and my children are grown up i can afford a season ticket. along with my son we travel to home matches 560 miles round trip a night in a hotel and beer money on top, i hate to think how much it costs me a season but i love the club and always will.
Yet some may call me plastic too.....
Flyhalf.
Well said dude you dont need a season ticket to be a proper fan ...I and several friends do have season tickets and we live on isle of man but we don't go every game because of the cost and also have friends who don't but follow united thick and thin so don't listen to folk GGMU FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW
Your not a plastic jay-z , your as much a supporter as any other fan , its just your a fan of a team on the slide mate............lfc
Jay-c
Cost my dad, and then me, a fortune over the last thirty five years mate, getting back and forward across the Irish Sea, (pre-budget flights) and round Europe, and yet I still have to justify myself to some people because I wasn't born in the shadow of OT.
Feck 'em.
StevieK
Totally agree, from northern Ireland and although I can only afford to go see the team live a few times a year it makes me no less passionate than any Manchester based fan. Ive not missed seeing a match in my living memory by one means or another and defeats are as painful as the the ecstatic joys of victory, so to all the fans who lord it over us just because they were unlucky enough to be born in England, get over yourselves, we are and all should be united
You should not seek identity in eyes of others pal. Validate your self on passion which you obviously have in abundance for United, I live in Leeds at moment and I am proud to tell people I am a Manchester United fan.
Cban
15 Aug 2012 13:00:46
Ed's and anyone who can help...
There is a pic on the Sightings page of Saf with 2 blokes.
Who are they?
Cheers
Monk
P.s i did not post the pic but it does look genuine.
You the Monk on the Ea forums?
15 Aug 2012 15:44:48
My personal dream line up for the new season...can't resist a formation post!
_________De Gea________
Rafael_Vidic_Smalling_Perriera
______Cleverly_Witsel______
Valencia___Kagawa___Isco
_________Rooney________
Andy!
Pereira does not like Manchester United.
G.A.G.U.S
15 Aug 2012 15:43:10
The city is yours the city is yooooooooooooours only 15% of the fans are you flippin sure.
pick81
15 Aug 2012 15:24:22
The RVP deal will be done before the new season kick off.
How do you know? Nobody has said anything
Thanks, this is the first i have heard of us been after him. Would never have know but for your post. Wish you left your name so i could thank you by name.
KevDarko
15 Aug 2012 15:23:23
Good to see Fletcher up an about and starting to play again...
Liverpool fan
15 Aug 2012 15:10:49
Berba's work ethic, pace and languish demeoner has been a main source of frustrating for the fans. Out of those three, it is the question of pace that really got under my skin: On the rare - and I mean rare!- occasion that I saw Berba go up a few gears from his evening stroll,he actually seemed like he could bother defenders; Just so happens he couldn't be bothered himself.
BornInToIt
15 Aug 2012 14:54:29
Angelo Henriquez has revealed in an exclusive interview with La Tercera that he is indeed set to join United. "I am fulfillnig a dream that I have had for a long time and I will be able to realise it soon," he said. "I will meet with Alex Ferguson on Wednesday and talk about what he wants from me. I cannot waste this opportunity because it is something I've wanted all my life." The Universidad de Chile striker says his agent, Fernando Felicevich, will meet with the club to define his immediate future - his ambition is to play for United's first team but if it's decided he'll go out on loan first, he would prefer to go back to Universidad de Chile on this basis.
15 Aug 2012 14:48:21
Can someone please tell me why there are International Football Fixtures 3 days before the Premier League starts? Seems completely stupid and a waste of time. We didn't have much luck last year with injuries and I hope that after these meaningless matches we don't have any more players on the treatment table!
P.S. Hurry up RVP and sign!!!
andydeemufc
They have scrapped it from last year as many people have the same opinion as yourself.
GDS
Next not last!
GDS
15 Aug 2012 14:36:39
Am I the only one who thinks we need another centre back? I mean if Vidic or Ferdinand get injured can Jones or Smalling step up if there not injured? ..... sometimes. And I think Evans is not good enough to be a united centre back and never will..... personally I'd like too see someone like Hummels playing for United as cover and he would link up to Shinji infront as they did in the Bundesliga and if we get Lewandowski aswell then we will basically have most of the key players from Borussia Dortmond except Gotze..... and it will cover all the positions we fans feel need to be covered
Why don't you just go support Dortmund instead?
Flimbo
Smalling and Jones are the future, both have huge potential and need to be given the chance to cement a place, hopefully learning from Vidic and Ferdinand. I'm not a huge Evans fan but he was very solid last year after a slightly dodgy start. I think we are covered and should spend the money elsewhere. AJH
Evans was our best defender last season and proved what an asset he can be to the club.
Don't think we need another centre half, the only thing we need at the back is a left back.
GDS
So what your saying is, we buy a great centre back playing for the champions of germany...and only play him on the off chance 2 players are injured, whilst also hindering the development of what will be an incredible partnership in smalling and jones... Right
Fagan
15 Aug 2012 13:58:25
F Muamba has retired from football on the advise of doctors.
I would like to wish him and his family all the best.
Oxred
15 Aug 2012 13:49:25
Sad news that Fabrice Muamba has been forced to retire from professional football. Im sure everyone would join me wishing the lad all the best for the future.
TK-Red
Sad news indeed, hope he makes a full recovery and will see him back in some sort of footballing capiticy in the future, coach or pundit.
Giants14
The lad is very lucky to be alive, football really shouldn't matter. Get married, have some babies and live your life. Still a kid and has his whole life ahead of him.
Sydney!
He's already married with a child
15 Aug 2012 13:32:16
Hi guys want your opinions on berbatov, I think he is an amazing player and yes at times he has a bad work rate be he can produce a peice of magic from nowhere. The guy has been wrongly used but he has never thrown a tantrum or had a go at SAF. He is phenomenal pro and I really hope we keep him but a move could be most beneficial for him. But I will never forget him for turning down city and joining us he will always be a legend to me.
Caolán.
Amazing talent but a tendency to go missing, especially away from home. Great guy, great skills, but doesn't do it often enough. He always struck me as being a little over awed at United. AJH
Good guy, great player not good for our style of play.
He CANNOT still be here this season. It would be ridiculous.
RED_SKY
He is no doubt a really decent person. ultimate professional with bags of skill.
he is no doubt poison on the field. He is an individual in a team, ranting and raving like a child. He is slow and works for nothing.
keep him and cameo him. Sell him and move on. Irrelevant really.
Cban
15 Aug 2012 13:20:42
Just reading some of the post abit further down this page and all the people apparently "in the know" pretending they have known we where to singing henriquez since 2009! Haha.. None of you knew anything about him until he was mentioned in the papers last month. Funny!
JaZz {Ed004's Note - As I have stated the majority of us knew about Henriquez for more than a year now and his name has been mentioned at times this summer}
JaZz, United signed a first refusal deal for Angelo Henriquez on the 23rd March 2011. We have discussed this at length on this page. So you are very wrong my friend.
Sydney!
Jazz, we have been following the lad since he was 14, and have had First Option on him since he was 15...hence 2009. Angelo has been to Carrington on numerous occasions and has had many meetings with Sir Alex, the most notable being the one in which SAF told Angelo to go back to Chile and work hard and learn his English too, and when he is ready the club will take him into the ranks.
So yes Jazz, most of us have known about Angelo Henriquez for quite some time.
MPez
Just to add the picture recently put on the 'player sightings' page is actually a couple of year's old.
Sydney!
Well said fellas
But I can't say I've ever seen this "jazz" character before on here though .. Maybe you're the one who nobody knew of until you posted this ....
Hallis
15 Aug 2012 13:13:24
United have signed clayton Blackmore & Quinton Fortune to cover Evra.
Also who needs Robin van Persie when we have Dwight.
Joking apart it was nice to see Fletcher on the field.
He may not get fit enough to play in the first team, just to have him around coaching and dishing out his experience to the youth will be a massive benefit.
Haha was that even a joke ? Ha awkward
15 Aug 2012 13:06:51
Paddy on MUtv let slip on commentary that Anderson has told United staff he's gonna score 12 goals this season.
He's been here 5 seasons and not reached that tally.
It's been a while since a central midfielder has hit double figures.
Carrick, Scholes (of late), Giggs, Fletcher normally hit 3 or 4. I think Kagawa & Cleverley have more chance of 8 to 12 than Anderson.
Chicharito & Welbeck shared games upfront & only hit 12.
Anderson seems to have put himself under pressure.
United tend to average 53 games a season with domestic & European games.
Anderson averages 18 games a season.
Do we BELIEVE in Anderson or buy a midfielder???
ALL WILL BE REVEALED ON 1st OCT.
1 oct ?
MUMBAI_BOY
1st Oct?
GDS
Anderson will do what he always does. Play 3-4 games while looking decent, then on the sidelines injured til after Xmas, before returning as half the player.
Again.
And in summer 2018, this board will again be littered by "Anderson's gonna be class, this will be his season" despite him being in his umpteenth season and 39years old or whatever.
RED_SKY
Why october
CAIN
Anderson...what a joke.... i would rather have Mr Anderson from the Matrix in midfield than that clown... 12 goals my proverbial... he needs to go along with bebe another joker, Macheda , Raphael the clown that made the mistake against Everton and was sent off v Bayern Munich couple of season ago and lost us another Euro final, Evra too dodgy,
stockport red
Anderson...what a joke.... i would rather have Mr Anderson from the Matrix in midfield than that clown... 12 goals my proverbial... he needs to go along with bebe another joker, Macheda , Raphael the clown that made the mistake against Everton and was sent off v Bayern Munich couple of season ago and lost us another Euro final, Evra too dodgy,
stockport red
Well lets hope its for another team. Fingers crossed. Hes dreadful
Raphael the turtle?
GDS
15 Aug 2012 12:59:50
Can anyone tell me; was there a medical yesterday as planned? + if so, what was the outcome?
Thanks in advance
Angelo Henriquez passed his medical yesterday.
GDS
Henriquez passed medical. I have been told he could be announced in next day or two
Ya Angelo henriqea (spelling) had a medical an passed I assume he will be loaned back
CAIN
Angelo Henriquez passed a medical at Bridgewater hospital for Man Utd. Transfer expected to be £4million with the player going back out on loan this season because of work permit issues. Needs to play for his country atleast once, and is very close to be being picked for his national team, was hinted at playing in there freindly in new york today but he was in a tournament in holland instead
RedKnight
15 Aug 2012 12:59:16
Not a rumour but I am sick of people saying we should sell Nani!! This is 1 of the few players we have who can turn a game, who can go past 3 players and score. Yes he is unpredictable but that's what makes him exciting. He has pace, trickery, great shot and can be a world beater. People forget his goals and assists. If at another club we would be saying sign him up 30+mill. Every club in the world would like Nani so why would we sell him? Ok rant over.
Boyley
Completely agree, if we should sell anyone it should be Ashley Young. No idea why we brought him in the first place.
MU93
If we sold Young we could sign Isco and give him Young's games.
Red Joe
We don't need to sell Nani,Young,Valencia... He is doing the right thing and selling the players not helping the squad, Park,Berbatov,Gibson etc. Also the likes of Bebe,Macheda, and all these players that have had their chance and failed miserably
RedKnight
I can't agree with you about Nani.
his stats state that he is the 10th in EPL in assists!
his goals, doesn't score at impotrant times....usually
get rid PLEASE
If you can show me evidence of when Nani consistently beats three players and scores, then i'll listen! He has to stop thinking he is Ronaldo, he played in his shadow when we first signed him and I don't think he's ever gotten out of that mind set. I'm all for keeping him, but IMO Valencia and Kagawa are ahead of him unless he sorts his style out. The only thing he does consistently is use his pace to get to the corner and by then he has no room to maneuver. He's easy to defend against is what I'm getting at! I reckon we should try him down the center of an attacking front four, with Kagawa on the left and Valencia on the right with Rooney up top. He'd have more room to play and try out his tricks, and could very definitely drag in a few defenders to make some room for Rooney.
Andy
Andy,
You'd take Kagawa and put him on the left (not his best position) and put Nani in the middle (never played there before).
Pretty glad you're not the Manager.
Red Joe
15 Aug 2012 12:44:39
serious thoughts on the RVP saga to man utd !!
There is only a 'saga' because we make it one. I am sure it is pretty calm behind the scenes.
According to Twitter he has had 46 medicals in the last week, probably doing them next to Sneijder who is on his 136th!
GDS
It will be difficult on his children if he does move. They're very settled in London schools and this is a pivotal point in their education. Plus think of the friends they'll have to leave behind. The only alternative is that the wife and kids stay behind and that can't be good news for anyone.
Danny Pughnited
Danny,
Tough on them but people move all the time, and generally it is because Daddy got a better job and more money elsewhere.
GDS
15 Aug 2012 12:34:21
will Nani play for you this season, Who is a safer bet Nani or valencia, it's for my fantasy team... {Ed004's Note - Either is a good bet, probably Nani he tends to get better stats}
Neither have a very strong short game, so add that to inconsistancy of Nani or the far more consistant Toni and I would come to the placing of (for RW anyway) Toni ahead of Nani.
But as seen so far pre season Toni getting used RB so maybe rotation of RW and covering RB for some games for Toni allowing Nani to get games RW as well as LW.
Or...Nani could be in the shop window so is playing in his preferred position?
Jono
15 Aug 2012 12:24:34
What's up with the Henriquez deal then? Looks like it's done but still no 'official' confirmation from Utd yet. Pictures of him with Fergie circulating too!
Gato.
Double Announcement i reckon
KevDarko
He was pictured with Sir Alex sometime back ,during a trial period, I think.
BornIntoIt
15 Aug 2012 11:57:46
One thing I learnt from watching the game last night is that Bebe was out of his depth even against that opposition his touch was shocking he only had the ability to complete passes when given a week to do so and was being out muscled even by the old boys in the end. No disrespect to Aberdeen. God knows what we are going to do with him be lucky to give him away on last nights evidence.
We also need to get ando in better shape and teach him to use that right foot of his.
That's what I said last night mate why hadn't bebe been released?
Caolán.
Some people on here were singing Bebe's praises earlier this month.
He is absolutely sh*te!
Simmo
Read my past posts... Always said he was awful!
Red Snapper
I agree simmo I can't believe he is still at the club if fergie wants to lovey rid of him he must release him because no one would want to buy him!
Caolán.
A lot will claim ears, OP, but the ONLY reason Bebe is playing right now is due to his transfer being investigated and rightly so - £7m or so for a former homeless man who SAF had never seen play; with strong rumours that a certain Mr Mendes had received a nice back-hand payment and perhaps even SAF.
"Look, see - he's a good player, he's vital to our squad, it wasn't a weird transfer!"
RED_SKY
15 Aug 2012 11:55:34
Robin Van Persie has failed a medical at Manchester United.
He has a severely damaged back after carrying a full squad last season.
15 Aug 2012 10:48:30
RVP not playing for Holland tonight.
cmd
15 Aug 2012 10:30:17
Personally, it think Neil Taylor would be a good buy for the prices being quoted. Let's face it, whoever comes in Evra will still start as first choice, so we need to buy someone who is willing to sit on the bench but good enough to step in. Taylor is still young and although not spectacular, he is reliable.
SqueakyBum
15 Aug 2012 10:06:37
Just to follow on about Berbs, i don't really understand why Fergie bought him. He must of known the type of player he was compared to the style he wants us to be. Did Fergie really expect a him to suddenly run at 100mph and track back like rooney?
I would keep him
1redarmy
15 Aug 2012 10:03:34
I really don't get why we want RVP, where's going to play? Signing kagawa I think we'll play something like this
---------Gea--------
Raf-Vidic-Fredy-Evra
---Carick--(a new signing)
Valenica--Kag--Nani
--------Rooney-------
And then we have welbeck, chica on the bench? Why do we need RVP, in my opinion we should go for, Martinez or Witsel, and iker muniain, I think that would be a brilliant team
LiamA
15 Aug 2012 09:22:22
Sad news, RVP has failed his medical at Man Utd. Doctors says it's a back problem caused by carrying Arsenal for the last 4 years.
I think you will HOPEFULLY find out that apart from last season,it has been arsenal that has carried rvp for the last 8yrs and part of his wage demands at manu include a 4 year subscription to n-tflix a ds 3d with 500 games and 5 pairs of slippers,you would be advised to carry a photo of him in your wallet to remember what he looks like...enjoy
trev the gooner
God could you imagine Steven Gerrards back? He should be crippled by now.
1redarmy
Absolutely loved this.
Just made my day fella.
Monk
Quite sad that ppl 'dislike' what is clearly a joke
Extra large portion of sour grapes for trev the gooner.
TK-Red
Tk-red
lol actually im not to bothered,its worth mentioning that wee got rvp as a young fresh 21year old and the first full season we have got out of him hes gone grey ffs lmao.if that doesnt ring your alarm bell TK i dont what will.22m will do nicely cheers mate.
trev the gooner
Hi trev he's the only reason arsenal weren't in bottom half last year.
Caolán.
Is every Arsenal fan a politician? The way you guys are scrabbling to spin this transfer as a great deal for Arsenal should be in a PR textbook.
BornInToIt
15 Aug 2012 09:11:21
Van Gaal has said that Van Persie Wont feature in Netherlands friendly today. Transfer to be done today or tomorrow? Source SSN radio.
Well he didn't at all... He said he would start on the bench but would come on at some point in the game as he needs minutes after a relatively quiet pre-season
RedKnight
15 Aug 2012 09:03:39
United agree deal with Arsenal for RVP after talks yesterday. Fee believed to be around 20 million plus add ons. RVP due back in England tomorrow afternoon, expect some movement either Thursday evening or Froday morning.
15 Aug 2012 08:57:49
Rumours that Van Persie will not take part in Holland's friendly with Belgium. Could that be to do with rumours of an agreed fee?
Or they would rather out klass jan huntelear on
15 Aug 2012 08:40:16
arsenal agreed the fee with united and van persie after international match will be a united player with a wage balance with rooney.
15 Aug 2012 08:29:48
Hi all, first post so be kind. Ed's you do a great job, especially putting up with what you do sometimes!
Just wanted to post my thought's on the RVP saga. I have no insider knowledge, just a loyal supporter. Personally i'd love to see him in a united shirt, the guy has class in abundance and although he would cost a pretty penny, would be worth every single one, not just for what he would do on the field, but the influence he could have on the younger strikers at the club. I don't understand why some are against signing him because of his age, as long as he can stay fit we'll get at least three good seasons out of him, maybe more and when you consider and 'aging' paul scholes was one of our best players last year you can see that age doesn't necessarily come in to it... anyway, as i said, just my opinion. Love the site, keep up the good work and hopefully i can post more
NTred
15 Aug 2012 08:10:05
I can't wait for Januzaj to progress through the ranks and break into the 1st team, he looks a real prospect!
I hardly recognised the lad from when i last saw him for the youth team,hes shot up and bulked out,i know it was only a friendly but he didnt look out of place playing with some of the 1st teamers last night,hopfully he can stay injury free,have a good season with the reserves and go out on loan next season.him,daehli,petrucci,lingard and tunners might be the reason sir alex is holding back on signing to many midfielders,they all look great prospects.
phil
I think your right my friend. looks a real gem of a player. silky smooth. modric x kaka . needs to gain some strengh to play in our league but that will come. top prospect
moodymook
15 Aug 2012 07:56:10
....how is it that all the people 'intheknow' on this forum not 1 mentioned we are/we have/were looking at/were signing Henriquez....?
Because it was common knowledge that we were likely to sign him at some point. The only surprise is that it's been done this year. Probably due to City's 'interest'.
That's so two years ago he was our player to lose pre contract an all that jazz deal done around the same time as Hernandez when city came sniffing we had to bring him I'm nearly sure he would have coming this window one way or the other
CAIN
We have been after Henriquez for ages and Sydney has been talking about him. As far as I am aware we had a deal in place to sign him whenever we wanted to up until 2014.
So wasn't really something the ITK's needed to say. Also most of them don't actually know anything!
GDS
United have had an agreement in place with Universidad De Chile for two years it was just a question of when he came to us, Citys supposed interest may or may not have pushed United into acting now but I doubt it! cheetham red
To be fair I think my dog knew we were likely to sign Henriquez eventually. The only reason it has happened sooner rather than later is the interest shown from City.
TK-Red
Because its been common knowledge we have been 1st in the que to sign him for when he was ready to make the step up for a long time
phil
Because a deal has been in place for him since 2009
You are spot on mate....people just jump onto the bandwagon and pretend they know about the player.
They had no idea until it was reported in the papers a couple of weeks ago.
Suddenly alot of the people on here are experts and know him inside out.
Good post!
Simmo
I would have thought it was because we already assumed he was a United player.
I personally hadn't realised we only had the option on him. I thought we had agreed to buy him already when he became of age.
Monk (p.s i'm not one of the "in the knows btw")
PPS i think it was a snap decision in the end to get him all tied up after city showed interest.
About two months or so ago I posted a long article about Henriquez and our interest in him
Common knowledge for some time
Red Man
15 Aug 2012 07:36:56
Why is everyone still saying we need a creative midfielder? We've just signed Kagawa who is top drawer at a bargain price and Cleverley deserves his chance. Doesn't make sense to sign another.
Maybe another defensively minded midfielder unless tunnicliffe is given a chance .
Mad Hatter
15 Aug 2012 02:17:17
does anybody think the fact valencia has the no 7 shist for this season means he is going to be preferred choice on the right wing
15 Aug 2012 02:10:47
Who would everyone prefer?
Witsel or Moutinho?
15 Aug 2012 01:05:49
Not a rumour, there are reports that UNITED have more fans in Manchester than City, according to a poll.
Despite claims to be the city's "true" club, only 14.8 per cent of Mancunians follow City, compared to 55.6 per cent who support United. It confirms Utd are the Premier League's best-supported club. The Reds are even the third best backed team in LONDON with 13.2 per of footie fans in the capital cheering them on.
Tonythered {Ed007's Note - Would you admit to supporting them?}
Would I admit to supporting the premier league champions??
Could of told you that a long time ago
City had no fans 3 years ago n now theyv all started coming out the woodwork and they all claim they were there during bad times in division 2, bulls*$t!! i live in manchester and half of them wernt interested until they won the lottery
Its true mate and every Stockport county fan has change to man city
aaallj5
15 Aug 2012 00:14:29
I know people will disagree here but if Henriquez got a work permit which I think he will as a special talent then I would like to see him in and around the first team thrown in at the deep end maybe used as cover especially at the start of the season where everyone wants to get match sharp and to keep fresh legs.
Would love to see him on the bench, but overseas press are reporting that he'll be staying with his club for a while to gain more experience. United are apparently willing to pay for him now because of interest from other clubs. I can't confirm if this is actually correct, its just what I read last night on yahoo.
Red Spark
15 Aug 2012 00:09:43
All goals well with transfers and regardless of players out injured at the moment, what do people think is our strongest 11 and would be our strongest 11 if we do get RVP.
-------deagea-------
Raf---smal---vid---evra
-------clev----kag------
Val----------------young
--------Rooney---------
----------------RVP {Ed004's Note - Swap Kagawa and Young. Bring Carrick into midfield though hopefully it would be Witsel and then sign a left back who can defend and offers something go forward such as Baines}
What about this
-------------DDG ------------
----Smalling --Vid --Rio -------
-Tony------------------Evra--
---------Ando----Clev---------
-------------Kag-------------
-------RVP---------Rooney ----
I know its a tad adventurous but I would still like to see it...
fozzy58
14 Aug 2012 23:39:11
Let's face it, if we've just signed a striker Henriques, and Danny Welbeck has just signed a new contract (worth £70k per week cough, cough), Robin Van Persie looks ominous to say the least.
Forget the strikers, goal scoring isn't the issue, goal providing is, if you give Welbeck, Hernandez, Rooney or, from what I've seen on YouTube, Henriques a sniff in front of goal they'll score. We need creativity, Kagawa is one part of that and the other.....?
I'd love Luka Modric, I think he can pick a pass out and doesn't lose the ball. £30mil bish, bash, bosh! {Ed004's Note - I think Cleverley, Kagawa and Nani would be enough to creativity in one game with Rooney and RVP there to score the goals.
14 Aug 2012 23:28:00
So with RVP and Henriquez signing is this our two signings SAF was on about ? I hope not we need Witsel.
Bp
Bp so do I but I am sure he will bring a midfielder in
I think Henriques is for the future an after watching Bebe and Macheda last night embarass the shirt against Aberdeen i think they will both be shipped out
ARB
14 Aug 2012 23:16:45
Ed if Sobg were go to Barca do you think this would have any repercussions on the potential transfer of RVP to United
Cheers
Rudderpost {Ed004's Note - I don't think so}
14 Aug 2012 18:00:14
Hey Eds, do you have any knowledge what's going to happen with all of our strikers?
Who is going to be available for a loan, who is on the market to be sold (Berbatov)?
We have as many strikers as midfielders (excluding wingers) for 1,5 spots (strikers) vs. 2,5 spots (midfielders).
Surely some are not going to be used very often.
Thanks
Jonny8 {Ed004's Note - I think we will have 4 forwards for the new season, RVP, Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez}
Do you not think Henriquez will play any part ed?
Hallis {Ed004's Note - Very little. Maybe a few Cameo appearances in Carling Cup. I don't think he would be loaned immediately though}