Manchester United Banter Archive July 15 2014

 

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15 Jul 2014 21:46:20
Ur all reading to much into Conte resigning there is no way we would pay 44 million euros for a 27 year old

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So there's no way that we'd pay 35 milion pounds for the best player in a position we desperately need?

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If we don't then we are stupid or/and misery which I think we are by the way. We paid 38 mil for mata who was only two years younger at 25. Vidal is a player nearly everyone on here would like, most pundits think is brilliant and who LVG wanted to get when at Bayern 34 or 35 mil is not that fest to fill a huge gap we have had for years

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So we won't pay that much for a 27 year old and we shouldn't have paid as much for an 18 year old. So what's the rule then? Ages 22-24 only? If it happens, we are paying for a world class player in his prime. Some people will find anything to complain about though.

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16 Jul 2014 02:44:27
Man City signed Yaya Touré aged 27

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16 Jul 2014 08:28:45
That is exactly the region the fee is going to have to be for a player who is approaching his peak years. Will be worth every penny in my opinion.

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16 Jul 2014 09:43:21
How old was Berbatov when we signed him for £31m?

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15 Jul 2014 21:19:39
Also according to a few reports today, we are preparing a 63 million offer for Rodriguez. If we get Vidal and add a couple more highly desirable players I will get out the industrial size tub of swafega and rub myself all over with it. Shaw and herrera were targets before lvg but agreed by him. Now we may see who his targets are coming in. Vidal? Di maria/Rodriguez? Hummers? Loving this summer.

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I think Rodriguez is Madrid bound. They seem to be trying to push through the sale a DiMaria to raise the funds for him. Would be nice though :)

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15 Jul 2014 21:26:45
Just wish this Vidal situation was sorted out, I'm going insane here waiting fit it to happen

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15 Jul 2014 22:21:52
Yes mate am afraid your not the one going mad waiting for the Vidal signing. Fingers crossed, touch etc

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15 Jul 2014 20:37:10
Wonder is Fergie raging that we've got KVG in and now his buddy Conte is available?

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15 Jul 2014 22:07:33
Or LVG even :)

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He could rage all he wants, Fergies last choice of manager wasn't the best was it.

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15 Jul 2014 20:23:01
eds or any ITK do any of you know if Contes resignation is related to Juve agreeing to sell both Vidal and Pogba this window as I have a Chelsea mate who is convinced they have signed Pogba for £52mil?

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15 Jul 2014 20:17:33
Months ago if you would have asked any of us who our dream signing would have been this summer it was Arturo Vidal, I for one am extremely happy at the fact we are even at negotiation stage.
I worried that this summer could have been a disaster worse than last(because of no UCL) add to that the manager situation and rivals seeming to get stronger and stronger while we stand still.

But a fortnight into the window I am delighted with the work already done by the club and the apparent work going on behind the scenes, also it seems that we have reverted back to the way we used to conduct our business. quietly which I much prefer to the way we whored our selves out last year.

Anyway my rather long winded point is Vidal or no Vidal our future lookes a whole lot brighter atm than many of us thought so I suggest we all sit back, relax and enjoy the circus:)

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What makes you believe we're even talking to juve about Vidal, apparently there hasn't been contact in a while according to several reporters

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How does it go ed?

RTFP!

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16 Jul 2014 07:21:49
Anon, Ed002 confirmed we had made a offer to Juve. That's how we know.

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15 Jul 2014 19:48:15
Antonio Conte has left Juventus. Supposedly related to frustration from lack of investment in the first team? Don't want to get too optimistic about Vidal but not a bad sign is it?

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May have been offered the national job. If he went for lack of investment Fergie should have left in 2005 .?

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15 Jul 2014 19:37:41
just saw this, imagine if Moyes replaces Conte then blocks Vidal's move to us, screwing us over even after he's left

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15 Jul 2014 19:50:36
Or Moyes offers Vidal plus cash for Fellani.

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Vidal would go on strike if moyes took over

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I imagine I'd have more chance of getting the job than Moyes.

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Why on earth would Juve hire Moyes? Have they looked at the last few seasons and decided winning the title is a bit of a drag?

Moyes will either end up at a lower to mid-table EPL side or in some lesser league like the Turkish Super League. No top European side will touch him after last season.

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Moyes will go on the merry go round of mediocre managers in mid to bottom of the league teams, he had one chance at the big time and he just isn't up to it.

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If moyes juve was manager we would never get vidal it would take him ten years to decide on the deal although he wouldn't have woodenhead with him to mess it up even more.

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Moyes is a good manager but not in the 'elite five' league. He would do a good job at Juve.

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If conte resigned because Juve have decided to sell Vidal to us, then I don't see how Moyes will be able to block it. Juve has already decided so and even let Conte go for it.

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15 Jul 2014 19:23:34
Conte resigns. surely, surely it must be. I want this deal to happen so badly haha!

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What if he's quit because Juve are refusing to sell? I was under the impression he committed his future on the basis that he would have funds available to reshuffle.

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15 Jul 2014 19:38:34
I appreciate this will not happen but can you imagine if the reason the the rumours of uncertainty about Vidal was the fact Conte was contemplating leaving and United were negotiating a double bid for Vidal and Pogba and Juventus have accepted! I do think Conte leaving though makes the Vidal transfer some what easier.

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15 Jul 2014 18:35:38
Looks like vidal transfer saga will go on for the whole of summer

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Make your mind up, earlier you said there wasn't going to be a deal.

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I was quoting other sources

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15 Jul 2014 18:30:09
So I just saw that Christopher Kramer has said that he cannot remember any of the 1st half of the Final even though he was allowed to play on for 14 additional minutes after being inspected. I know that many concussion symptoms do not appear immediately after the initial collision, but what is everyones thoughts on policing this new issue that seems to becoming more and more prevelent. What do you feel protocol should be with this type of injury? How should subs be handled is one is forced off? Should nothing change? Any input would be great just as a different type of discussion?

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Maybe they should wear crash helmets.

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It seems to have happened a few high-profile times all within a short period of time. Lloris, Mascherano & Kramer being three high profile incidents.

For me, if a player gets a head knock where he is showing ANY immediate signs of not being 100% "there" then he should be replaced immediately. It is not worth the risk that comes with playing football when your head is not right, literally. No pun intended!

Good to see the lad is alright, I felt heart sorry for him when it happened.

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15 Jul 2014 19:29:34
I'm not a fan of the health and safety culture at all but i'm with believe on this one. Like when Mascherano toppled over the other day, he should be off as a precaution for me. Can a doctor really judge the damage without having a scan? Is it worth the risk?

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That seems to be the difficult issue is wether or not the medical staff is able to properly diagnose the situation quickly enough. The issue that arises is whether or not the player is ultimately fine and able to return to the pitch after, say, 15 minutes out. What if they are forced to be replaced with no subs remaining and it turns out they did not suffer a concussion? Also it appears that the players have been having the final say in the matter and demanding to say on the pitch.

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Kramer, Mascherano, and Pereira from Uruguay. I think this issue will get the attention it deserves now, and FIFA needs to consider the substitution rules.

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16 Jul 2014 08:26:58
I think with any strong head collision a player should have to come off for concussion testing.

Here in Australia with AFL a player may be substituted whilst undergoing concussion testing (max 30min, if he is right to play the substitution is reversed and the player comes back on) sure this might not work with football, but we need something as health should be paramount.

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15 Jul 2014 18:13:08
Just to say I have reregistered as Matas Beard Paddy The Irishman seemed outdated hearing Hernandez might move on with a few suitors Welbeck will stay as Van Gaal likes versatile players and Rooney is one of them might move but will probably not

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Blimey Paddy. Rooney might move on, or then again he might not?

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I know AJH don't know what I was thinking posting that

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I have also got a new avatar hope it shows up

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It won't be as good as mine, Big Ron circa 1985.

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MB, it would appear you don't avatar :)

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15 Jul 2014 18:03:37
Just checked Vidal's stats and in 96 Serie A appearances for Juventus he has received 31 yellow cards. That's like a yellow card every third game.

Not saying he is a bad player but he has awfully high number of yellow cards.

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15 Jul 2014 18:29:41
Just suggests his more robust style would be better suited to the English game.

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15 Jul 2014 22:25:32
I'd be more concerned if he had none. He will have more leeway in England.

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15 Jul 2014 17:49:11
I just don't get how we don't rate Vidal at £34million as he is a proven quality player & by most experts the best box to box midfielder in the world. That is less than Andy Carrolls valuation. Yet the club sanctioned a £27 million purchase of the carthorse from Everton, totally baffled & p"$%ed off!

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You can't use what Liverpool paid for Carroll as a measure for anything.

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Who says we don't value him at that price? anyone from man utd say it? stop panicking and stop reading b.s on twitter. vidals on holiday so nothings going to happen until he's back.

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15 Jul 2014 17:19:59
me again edds,

are interested in enzo perez?

cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - Don't hold your breath.}

15 Jul 2014 17:14:25
edds,

this vidal stuff is doing my head in!

could we not offer the same type of money for someone younger like mario gotze or julian draxler?

sod it, buy both!

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15 Jul 2014 17:21:26
Just wondering about the Vidal deal, is it a case that juve are refusing to sell outright or are they just overpricing him and united are attempting to haggle down. Also, are you aware if there is a max limit that utd are willing to spend

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16 Jul 2014 07:21:00
Its fairly obvious Manchester United want to pay as little as possible (without losing the player, I hope) and Juve want as much as possible. It was reported early on that Juve were hoping for a bidding war for Vidal which, as yet at least, doesn't seem to have materialised. Some, usually, reliable sources are still saying negotiations are continuing and we are hopeful of getting him.

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15 Jul 2014 15:58:53
Ed, can I ask you are we closer to sign some midfielder, and names of realistic targets? vidal is out, probably pogba too, maybe still clasie, di maria and carvalho? or there are some new targets
cheers

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{Ed004's Note - I have absolutely no contacts at Manutd or in football whatsoever so what I say is just an opinion, just to make that clear for some idiotic posters today. Not you mate. However, I reckon going by media and other reports that we are hoping for Vidal. I would also guess Strootman in January as well. I would expect us to be linked to De Vrigl and Blind as well}

Ed004,

granted, you and all the ed's have a fantastic site going on here which I for one am glad for and the hard work you guys put in is at times amazing, but how an earth does that give you authority to call some 'posters' personic and such! some ed's talk about being respectful, BUT it works both ways don't you think? thanks again, and please keep up the good work you all do, sorry for the snotty post - just pulled my strings alittle mate.

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{Ed004's Note - I reckon it's due to the fact for no reason the brave keyboard warriors are coming on and giving me abuse for no reason because I said 'I dunno' to a question about a player coming in. I've done this voluntarily for years so don't appreciate getting shit from posters for no reason. You're right respect goes two ways and I'm just returning it. I made it clear to the previous poster it had zero to do with him.}

15 Jul 2014 17:07:51
Manchester United have taken highly-rated Benfica starlets Joao Filipe and Joao Virginia on trial.

I guess the Bebe deal is close then. I wonder what we will get for him. Primira's leading scorer last season.

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I'm confused. I thought there were six players who outscored Bebe last season?

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15 Jul 2014 18:03:34
Leading Portuguese goal scorer

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You mean you google it and there were six players ahead of him? Barring the strikers I meant :)

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Bebe wasnt top scorer, jackson martinez of porto was

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Bebe was the 6th highest scorer last season.

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Sydney admit it you were wrong.

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Carloto, I am well aware that Bebe wasn't the leading goalscorer overall. It would be a strange league if the leading goalscorer had just 12 goals.

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15 Jul 2014 22:29:50
Sydney! You're a sly one. Still remember you spelling the alternative of Özil knowing the would come ;)

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15 Jul 2014 15:21:06
From what I can remember in the past, when we have been linked with a player so heavily as now with Vidal.

Things start off very positive then the media going as far to say that it is a done deal, then it changes to say the deal is off for whatever reason and a couple days after that deal is complete.

I reckon it's the case now, the media sending us through a roller coaster of emotions. He'll be revealed with the new manager this week. I am certain about it! Well have our man.

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15 Jul 2014 15:43:38
Lucas Moura was one :/

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You have a very short memory.

I remember a time when Sanchez (before he moved to Barcelona), Lucas, Hazard, Thiago, Fabregas, Herrera (last summer), Strootman, Garay, Kroos, Di Maria, Vermaelen and De Vrij were all 'done deals' according to the press.

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15 Jul 2014 16:24:02
Push your memories.
More than half of city team is made with our certain done deal targets

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Yes but most of those players bar Kroos and Di Maria were we as heavily linked with as we are now with Vidal, and those 2 were never confirmed as a done deal by multiple sources.

I reckon the deal will be completed this week and if it doesn't I'll hold my hands up and say I was wrong.

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15 Jul 2014 19:27:00
Sneijder, Moura, Hazard?

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15 Jul 2014 14:33:33
Just want to say how far this site had come within the last year, and how great it is to see everybody signed-up so that there are no anonymous keyboard warriors (although i'm sure there still are a few).

I'm sure everybody on the site would join myself in thanking the editors for their dedication to bringing all fans, from different teams, together to a place we can talk about what's most important, Football.

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The eds are lucky to have us.

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15 Jul 2014 19:04:45
And without them there would be no site. Behave carloto ;)

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15 Jul 2014 20:50:45
He is a rather feisty one I will say, chill out carloto.

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15 Jul 2014 13:52:28
I think with Vidal being quoted as saying he is already at a great club should the united option fall through on sky this morning, it's clear that a united move is the one he wants!
Which surely proves also what the eds have been saying that essentially it's juventus who are being difficult trying to drive up the transfer fee.
If the unnamed club is Madrid as suspected, do you all think they would be interested?
Generally Madrid only bring in the one marquee signing and if reports are true and Kroos is done and they're after Rodriguez too. I'm not sure they'll want him.
Also not that I tend to read too much into betting odds but I was encouraged to see earlier that hummels has been backed in to odds on to sign this summer.
Eds I know you have said that Dortmund wouldn't want to sell but do you think hummels himself would even want the move having already said that he was happy at Dortmund for now?

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{Ed004's Note - I'm not a mind reader. I do not know what Hummels wants to do}

Hummels is a class defender but his lack of pace worries me, if we were to buy him obviously. He is a seriouslu slow.

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*a seriously slow CB

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I think Vidal is waiting too see if anyone else comes in for him and if no one does he will probably put in a transfer request to push through a deal

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It stood out against Argentina because he was alongside a slow left back who isn't a left back and also because he was nursing an injury. CB pace isn't essential as the first couple of yards are in the brain and we have lightning full backs that won't leave him exposed. Also Jones is no slouch. I have no worries about Hummels not being rapid.

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I don't see Vidal moving to RM now that they have signed Kroos. Bayern Munich seem the most likely destination with an outside chance of Barcelona putting in a bid.

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Beast it's always stood out for me. He struggles against pace & it won't matter how fast Rafa/Shaw are if a ball gets put in behind Hummels with a costa or a Sanchez on the end of it then there's no way he's getting there before them.

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15 Jul 2014 16:07:24
Vidic was no speed merchant and he worked out fairly ok -:)

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You're right mate, however Rio in his pomp was electric, as fast as I've seen for a CB. & Vidic was just an all round colossus.

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He is seriously slow. His lack of pace would be exploited, good thing he has a good positional sense. And we could always play him with either one of Jones or smalling who are faster. But first there's the small matter of getting him to sign

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Agreed Loko

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How many times do we see a CB one on one with a Striker these days? It just doesn't happen that often, especially world class centrebacks. Hummels lacks pace, but it isn't crucial in the prem where space is at a premium and we will have fats full backs, a quick partner and a strong Def Mid - Hummels is perfect for us.

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15 Jul 2014 18:06:54
Hummels will be a vast improvement on what we have. I know I am probably in a minority on this site, but I think jones should be sold.

He is too impulsive, lacks any composure and technically is not great. He tries to make up for positional nativity with throwing himself around which generally ends up with him being injured. I would rather he and smalling were sold and replaced with de vrij, hummels or varane.

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I think Jones was a better player when he was at Blackburn and he's gone backwards.

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15 Jul 2014 13:55:34
Why not hold out on announcing the new kit deal until we finished our transfer activity or at the very least our big money transfers?

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15 Jul 2014 14:28:55
Too late now buddy!

However, I believe it would be used as a measure of saying, with or without Champions League football, we are Manchester United, the biggest club in the world.

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What does it matter?

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Maybe they have.

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15 Jul 2014 14:49:43
Massive Financial deals like that need to be announced due to the regs on the NYSE I think.

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Would also give confidence to potentials like Hummels & Vidal that we are going to have the means to invest continuously. So no worries about a lack of CL football.

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Given that we won't start seeing any of the money for 12 months I don't see why it makes any difference. It's not like selling a player for £75m before lining up replacements and then having to pay an extra £5m per player. THAT would be stupid.

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15 Jul 2014 13:53:22
With the addition of van Gaal to united I really think players will be more attracted to us, however, our main signings won't be till next year, when we HOPEFULLY secure Champions league football again. With van Gaal and champions league I believe we will be able to secure huge names.
In this transfer window I believe we will only sign Vidal and a central defender, the unlikely (but hopeful) option of Hummels, more realistically de Vrij or Vermaelen. However, I do believe Strootman will sign in january and be our only signing then. Next year will be our huge transfer year, WHEN we get to the champions league. I've heard Robben is having one more season at Bayern and is looking for new ventures afterwards, most likely us. Then we will sign around 4-6 players all in surplus of 25 mill. I hope this really does happen, however I would love 2 or 3 huge signings this year. Thanks

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Would actually disagree with a lot of what you say. We need a huge transfer window this year to help us actually get into the champions league next year. Simply having LVG as manager won't be enough as city chelsea and arsenal will all be strong. I think liverpool will struggle as no team improves when it sells its best player eg us when we sold Ronaldo and spurs when they sold Bale.
I would agree that as a bare minimum we need another midfield player during this transfer window, hopefully Vidal, and a centre back. Hummels would be nice but may prove difficult. A pacey wide player would also be nice.
If we do secure champions league football for 2015 then yes we will be able to attract major players but don't think that we would need another 4-6. Robben would be another year older and I would like to think that we would be looking more long term. Also rvp will also be another year older and a long term replacement will be on the wish list.
In summary I would go back to my original first point. We need a big transfer window this summer to ensure we achieve a top 4 finish before we start thinking about signing players next summer.

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15 Jul 2014 15:34:08
If we get champ league football this year which I believe we will then we will need I sign 4-6 quality players due to the age of our squad and the squads of other teams, I do know that we need a strong window now but I can't see it happening, partly due to van gaals late arrival and our lack of European football

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I don't think so Sheff. I think Vidal, Hummels and then Strootman will be our major investments.

Next summer will see a new striker potentially (dependent on Rooney & RVP also how Wilson develops). Robben would be a waste of money next season.

If we get this year right I can see us just making 2 deals a year moving forward. Next summer will be a winger and CF.

Obviously we don't know how players will perform, but I'm confident we have enough youth to ensure a consistent base moving forward (after this vital window).

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They don't get much bigger than the players we are being linked with at the moment. Vidal, Hummels and Reus are all in the top three in the world for their positions (with Vidal probably being the best).

If we're capable of signing just one of them this summer I'd suggest that one season without CL football hasn't really had a bearing on our ability to attract top payers.

As for us signing Robben next year; no thanks! I'd just about take him this year but he will turn 32 over the course of the 2015-2016 season. For a player who relies heavily on his ability to run fast and fall over; age is everything.

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I also think that we need to remember that money talks, champions league or not. In the case of hummels we should be saying to him that we want him THIS year and if he doesn't come, then next year with CL qualification in the bag we will probably have secured someone else and will no longer be interested him meaning that he has missed his chance to secure the biggest pay packet he is likely to be offered in his career.
One further thought. maybe we could point out to people like hummels in particular that the club he is playing for has already had their major champions league moment(runners up) and are no longer a certainty to even make it through the group stage.

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15 Jul 2014 09:59:36
Question for Ed's or anyone in the know. Looks like Bebe is a done deal to Benefice, ate the club using it as leverage for any Benfica players.

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{Ed002's Note - That is not how transfers work.}

I have to say I'm a little disappointed. I would have loved for him to come back to OT and prove everybody wrong. Best of luck to him in the future.

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15 Jul 2014 14:47:07
Ed002, good point. Although down the years deals are done that have aided relationships with clubs for future benefits.
I guess I should have asked whether you know of us being interested in any players there.with Garay now gone I was thinking Perez/Giatan or others
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Nothing beyond what has previously been said.}

15 Jul 2014 13:12:39
Rumour is we have submitted an offer around 40m and juventus are taking their time on a decision whether to accept or not. i'd imagine if true it would be accepted.

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No discount, Dave?

How about we throw in Evra?

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15 Jul 2014 10:27:31
What ever happened to our interest in Koke? Very versatile player in my opinion

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{Ed018's Note - Koke wants to stay at Atletico for now so interest has probably moved on for now}

15 Jul 2014 10:44:32
Following on from Anon's message.yes maybe morning. but, what songs would you want to be buried/cremated to!
He/she has Johnny Cash Ring of Fire.
I fancy The Jam Going Underground.
I know an Evertonian that had Zcars
Any thoughts, just for fun!

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Pink Floyd - Eclipse

Deeps.

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15 Jul 2014 11:19:54
Motörhead ; Stone Dead Forever

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15 Jul 2014 11:52:55
Steppenwolf- The Pusher

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Wish you were here

pink floyd

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15 Jul 2014 12:03:53
Jackson Five - I want you back

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Highway to hell, as i'm getting carried in :)

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Come on You Reds - Status Quo and some talent.

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Burn Baby Burn by Ash

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Highwayman by The Man In Black Johnny Cash. Great lyrics about reincarnation and one of my favourite songs

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"Knockin' on Heaven's door" Bob Dylan .
Patrick

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15 Jul 2014 14:09:31
I Am The Resurrection, Stone Roses.

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'Another one bites the dust' by Queen. Or my personal favourite for my funeral 'My Hero' by The Foo Fighters :-)

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Hell's on fire by Steel Panther. Just anything by Steel Panther, guaranteed to lighten the mood.

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15 Jul 2014 18:23:07
Bad touch - blood hound gang

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Pink Floyd
Great gig in the sky

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Will You Be There by Michael Jackson

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15 Jul 2014 09:56:29
Lads is it just me who's finding this window the most stressful of all windows? I'm checking the site every hour without fail (much to the gaffers annoyance) my data usage must be through the roof. Christ I'll need a cold shower if we get Vidal.

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15 Jul 2014 13:11:44
Yep me too

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15 Jul 2014 09:21:52
Did anyone not even think this the deal is off coming from our end is a way to get Juventas to lower there price we supposedly say the deal is off he is too dear then the drop there price a couple of millon we go back in

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Considering that Juve don't necessarily want to sell the player I don't think that would be a wise move.

Have you considered the possibility that journalists are trying to sell newspapers?

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The issue I have Paddy is the fact if it is only a "couple of million", then we've learnt nothing from last seasons debacle.

I, like a few people on here, originally thought we had no chance of Vidal, but my opinion has changed over past few wks, thought there may be a genuine chance of securing a real "world class" player, but truth is we don't know what to believe. I would hope that if the clubs are only a few million apart that we bite the bullet and secure the deal. We have to remember we have no CL this season so like it or not it will have an impact with certain players. Here's hoping we manage to secure a genuine quality player which we desperately need in middle of park

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15 Jul 2014 12:07:11
My dad always said it's ok to speculate just don't speculate on speculation

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Have actually Danny jornalists are always trying to sell papers is there job I suppose

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15 Jul 2014 09:03:36
I have just noticed how old the photo is on my avatar. My daughter and Fred the Red at OT, back in 2003! If I remember correctly that was just before the match v Liverpool which we won 4-0, with Hyppia sent of early on for rugby tackling RvN in front of the Stretford End - RvN scored from the spot.

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15 Jul 2014 08:58:56
Have just read that Strootman is back training according to Roma

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He's expected to be fit end of August.

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Hopefully that won't scupper the Vidal deal, doubt that it will have any relevance mind

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15 Jul 2014 09:16:01
For any of you who believe the Vidal deal is off Van Gaal could of had Kroos for 20-25 million but wanted Vidal and he isn't afraid to spend money and the Daily Mail ran it first then the express 20 minutes later must of been a slow day because unless Vidal say no I don't want the move United will follow up there intrest

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15 Jul 2014 09:05:25
betty you, like most other posters, seem to assume that we cannot be as strong next season merely because we will not have a 31 goal striker.
There is no reason why that should be the case. We WILL make more signings, granted not a 31 goal a season striker, but we don't need to.
We have had a very leaky defence - that will be attended to in this window. A stronger defence will mean less goals conceded. Less goals conceded will mean that less goals scored will not necessarily hurt us.
I will await sight of our and other team's squads at the start of the season before attempting a
prediction - you would be wise to do the same

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Puzzled, I was out last night so didn't get to reply. But I just wanted to add to the discussion. I never said Liverpool wouldn't be strong next season, and I pointed out that they would be a more solid unit. My opinion is merely that I don't think Liverpool will improve on last season. After finishing 2nd, the only way they could improve on that is by winning it, and I don't think that will happen, but that's just my opinion.
Its only my guess, granted. But to be fair, the thread was asking for people's PREDICTIONS for next season.

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15 Jul 2014 08:37:03
Reading todays papers, I am disappointed to see lvg has pulled the plug on the Vidal deal, that and the Kroos deal earlier in the race to sign him. I wonder what midfielders he could look at now, along with fabregas, these would have been many peoples first choice! Is schweinteiger still an option? Or is it a waiting game til strootman regains fitness?

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15 Jul 2014 11:29:14
I honestly can't believe so many people take what the papers say so seriously. Don't listen to anything printed in the papers, we know United are interested in Vidal as Ed002 has confirmed it, we need to persuade Juve to sell and offer enough money.

Until Ed002 confirms our interest has ended, people need to relax. The newspapers need to sell as many copies as possible, so if all papers are saying Vidal is on, what is the best way for a certain paper to get a bigger share of the sales?

Obviously it is to say it is now off in an exclusive, so then all the gullible people go out and buy it to find out what has happened. In actual fact, it is more likely that nothing has happened, changed or been decided in the past 24 hours.

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Ever heard the phrase don't believe everything the papers say? I will take this saying to the grave with me only I don't believe barely a word of what the papers say. i'm still confident we will sign vidal

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15 Jul 2014 00:18:42
Sydney, I saw you mention you live in Devon, where abouts mate, I'm from Plymouth.

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I live in Plymouth. Is that you Tom?

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Ahhhh there are more than one of us then. I live in Sidmouth (Nr Exeter)

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Oh dear, Sidmouth, I feel there could be a few dirty posts coming are way Sambo :)

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You guys are lucky. Try living not far from Leeds, you say a word about man utd around here, you get chased down the street while they shout at you. Typical weekend around here.

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And I thought it was only Big Al that did things like that with guys!

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14 Jul 2014 23:56:52
Media reports in the last hour are suggesting that LvG has instigated a plug-pull on any Vidal negotiations! Can and of the Ed's add to this? If the journalism is correct, surely LvG must have a target lined up instead because we are still 1 midfielder short!

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{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what has happened in the past hour.}

I think we have been here before haven't we with the mugs who run and own our football club. They are willing pay out 27 mil for a total waste of space last summer but then stop short of paying only around 7 mil more for a player miles better and who the manager clearly likes. When are going to realise that if you really want a top player you have to pay top money for him if you don't you don't get him and probably show a lack of ambition to other potential buys. They are also willing to pay a lot of money for an 18 year old left back and a in sought after Spanish midfielder - don't doubt they will be good buys but Vidal is quite proven and is some who be great for us now . If it's true that they are going to pull out it's exactly the kind of behaviour that p's off other clubs, players and agents to the extent where they don't want to do business with them . They annoyed a lot if people last summer with their amateur approach to doing business. Looks like they haven't learned much. Oh they can get money in though - great!

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15 Jul 2014 01:57:01
I think we are making the mistake of not believing certain sources for anything other than bad news. Loads of people are reporting the deal is almost done, nobody believes it. One person reports the deal is off, everybody believes it. The press have so many people manipulated it's a little pathetic.

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It's believable because of the person in charge of sorting transfers.

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15 Jul 2014 09:33:47
GDS2 has taken his hammer and firmly planted it upon the head of the nail. A certain newspaper has reported the deal is off, however the same paper is reporting Reus to Liverpool. So by this logic if we believe we have ended our interest in Vidal then we must also believe Reus is going to Liverpool. Reus is not going to Liverpool. We have not ended our interest in Vidal. As you were.

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If the reports of us refusing to pay £34m for Vidal are true we are making a huge mistake.

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15 Jul 2014 10:42:15
Fed up with Vidal now, if he signs he signs. It seems interesting how we have reportedly pulled out just after the last season ticket was sold, last year we apparently pulled out on the Fabregas deal just after the last season tickets were sold.

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Pathetic? Get off your high horse! You don't know anymore than I do! I was merely posting a 'rumour' that was doing the wild fire rounds in the media last night in more than 'one' recognised source!

I don't remember writing that it was true?! I was just passing the latest 'rumour' on and seeing if anyone knew any more. So unless you're going to be constructive without getting offensive, please don't reply to my posts. It's a little pathetic!

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15 Jul 2014 11:55:10
Sorry TOT66 but that simply isn't true. We didn't chase Fabregas just to sell season tickets. United don't need to spread false rumours to sell out season tickets.

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15 Jul 2014 12:07:35
Guys, all we know for sure is that we have a clear interest in Vidal. The rest is just speculation and tbf I could find you any number of 'sources' saying totally different things.

The papers, twits etc just want to look ITK and look like they are so you'll just send yourselves mad listening to them all and taking reports as fact!

Those of you who seem to be getting fed up with it all, he's still on holiday following a busy summer! We are interested and have made an offer by all accounts. It may or may not work out but that goes for every deal!

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15 Jul 2014 12:07:55
Guys, all we know for sure is that we have a clear interest in Vidal. The rest is just speculation and tbf I could find you any number of 'sources' saying totally different things.

The papers, twits etc just want to look ITK and look like they are so you'll just send yourselves mad listening to them all and taking reports as fact!

Those of you who seem to be getting fed up with it all, he's still on holiday following a busy summer! We are interested and have made an offer by all accounts. It may or may not work out but that goes for every deal!

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15 Jul 2014 13:09:20
Grund,

What about if the reports about us being willing to pay any amount up to 50m for Vidal, did you believe them the other day also?

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15 Jul 2014 13:14:03
MANfromCHESTERunited

My post was not a dig at you, it was a dig at the people who believe everything negative and only post on here when something negative happens. These are the same people who we don't see for 3 weeks when United are winning then as soon as they lose a game they are on here wanting 5 players sold and saying we will get relegated.

I agree I don't know any more than you do, I would like us to sign him, but I don't believe it when someone on Twitter says he has signed and I don't believe it when a newspaper says the deal if off. I think the Herrera deal proved how we are doing our business this season, and this must be so frustrating for the journalists.

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15 Jul 2014 14:02:07
"They are willing pay out 27 mil for a total waste of space last summer but then stop short of paying only around 7 mil more for a player miles better and who the manager clearly likes."

Pancho, what do you base that on? The £37m we spent on Mata or the £60m plus we have just spent on 2 players who are yet to establish themselves?

What makes you think we wouldn't spend £34m on Vidal?

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15 Jul 2014 13:47:06
RedRosie,

I take it you work for United in the ticket sales then?

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Is it not obvious honey? We didn't buy mata last summer so that leaves one doesn't it? The waste of space from Everton or did you forget it was last summer. It was around 27 mil for him if juve want 34 for vidal - take away 27 and what do you get? That's right 7 mil .

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GDS2 if you were trying included me on your accusations of people only come on if something bad happens I do come on if we win also but not willing to read crap win or lose. Also will always moan about the owners and their little boy Eddie until they do one .

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14 Jul 2014 23:50:29
Not sure what to make off it but rumours flying about that Vidal has stated in a interview in chillie that he is already at a big club which relaxes him if the united move doesn't happen

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15 Jul 2014 11:45:43
It's called not burning your bridges.

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