Manchester United Banter Archive July 15 2018

15 Jul 2018 23:00:28
Latest Sharkopod - Megasharkopod vs Godzilla where Ed002 tells you the latest Summer 2018 football transfer rumours.

15 Jul 2018 23:17:30
Great stuff ed.

15 Jul 2018 21:31:19
According to some, Pogba was dreadful all tournament, wonder how people get to such conclusions?

15 Jul 2018 21:41:17
Most everything I read rightly says that he was excellent. Defensive discipline, kept the ball moving, some great passes in behind for Mbappe throughout the tournament, and a decisive goal in the World Cup final. Pogba has silenced his critics and should be proud.

15 Jul 2018 21:42:41
I don’t think he was dreadful, he was decent, but no more than that and I saw France in most games, similar to at United, flashes of brilliance and frustrating in equal measures, some good games, some inneffective, having Mbappe, Griezmann and Kante in and around you helps mind. France overall was solid, just did enough through the groups, burst of goals in a couple of games but prob worthy winners in the end however.
Pogba is a World Cup winner tho, can’t argue with that well
Done to the lad, I hope that matures him next season if he’s with us still rather than go the other way and think he’s the man with nothing to prove.

15 Jul 2018 22:09:01
Doesnt matter what other people say, he put in a man of the match display in the world cup final.

Hes etched his name into the history books.

15 Jul 2018 19:13:36
The board were against offering high amounts of transfer fee for Perisic last year ehich we shouldve as at one point he was available for a reasonable fee.

Thr board will look absolutely silly if we go for him this year as thr player is a year older and will cowt a lot of money compared to last year before his transfer fee went up.

15 Jul 2018 19:37:33
Singh really because Jose has just said on tv that he doesn't know why perisic chose not to join United.

15 Jul 2018 19:48:18
If u read eds comment from last year he did say UTD h3sitated buying a old player like him as they didn't see value in him so i'd be shocked to see us going for him this year as he is a a year older.

Perisic bever rejected us we hesitated to pay the initial fee and then we did bid the transfee fee had gone up which UTD decided it was too much for a playrr of his age.

15 Jul 2018 20:00:24
Jose has just said live on tv he doesn't know why perisic rejected United when he wanted him last year.

Guess we will have to make do with sachez.

15 Jul 2018 20:47:20
Sanchez a better player so i not that bad missing out on him. I just home Sanchez kicks on and scores loads this year which i am sure he will after having rest this summer.

15 Jul 2018 21:02:24
We all know why Jose said that. The board didn't back him last year in his mind. He's said that because he thinks they're not backing him again this year.

15 Jul 2018 21:37:22
The lad signed a new contract with inter . we then went out and made Sanchez the highest paid player in EPL history . But the board didn't back him?

15 Jul 2018 21:57:22
Didn't the ed say we had a value for him and weren't willing to go any higher?

Plus, never take any heed what Jose says is another famous one of ed002s.

From what I read from various people and on here, united wouldn't go any higher in their bid.

15 Jul 2018 21:43:50
The board back signings with big names, not ones that will do the job as the manager wants.

15 Jul 2018 22:19:52
Angel well if you have read it .

United have never spent money like this current board has done .
Broke the world transfer record when Jose wanted pogba, 90 mil on lukaku Sanchez the highest paid player in EPL history .

But the board haven't backed the manager?

15 Jul 2018 23:17:28
As I said in his mind.

16 Jul 2018 09:04:33
They have spent ridiculous money on players. I think ones that have a higher marketing player than say a player like perisic.

I think ed002 has proven to have an incredible success rate when it comes to talking about players so I tend to believe him.

15 Jul 2018 17:20:56
Pogba again showing he can do it cm .

15 Jul 2018 21:58:32
With 2 DMS behind him. Makes a massive difference playing with kante. And then add matuidi into it. It gives pogba great freedom.

15 Jul 2018 16:56:24
I'm confused why the first goal is classed as an OG. The freekick is on target, so why isn't it Griezmanns goal? Obviously when a player shoots and it deflects off a defender (or keeper) the striker gets the goal, so why is this freekick different, anybody know?

15 Jul 2018 17:18:25
That's a good shout that beast.

15 Jul 2018 17:33:08
It was on target but the keeper would have collected it. The touch off the defender took it past the keeper.

15 Jul 2018 17:44:45
I always thought if it was on target and took a deflection it was the strikers goal .
Off target takes a deflection own goal.

15 Jul 2018 19:29:54
My understanding is the same as that jred but it must be deemed an attempt at goal i believe. Grey ish area.

15 Jul 2018 22:23:21
I am under the impression tbat if the deflection drastically changes the path of the ball then it is an og. Otherwise it is credited to the striker.

15 Jul 2018 23:46:29
Pretty sure if on target and deflected, it’s the attackers goal - even if it wasn’t intentionally a shot. If it’s off target and would therefore be missing without the defender’s intervention, then it’s an own goal.

15 Jul 2018 16:31:17
Bet we wished we signed perisic last summer now, add another £25m to his value.

15 Jul 2018 16:51:52
1 good goal doesn't warrant buying a player.

Yeah he's looked a good player but so have a bundle of players.

{Ed0333's Note - is he that good tho?

15 Jul 2018 19:34:05
I don't watch Italian football so can't comment.

But from the world cup all I can see is now and again he puts in a good ball works hard and is strong.

Plenty of times he gave balls away and isn't naturally gifted at scoring goals.

15 Jul 2018 19:32:56
He is effective ed i think. He will create a couple of good chances for himself or others in every game. He works his line very well.
On the negative side he gives tje ball away a lot.
Not worth buying now. He would have been effective last season i feel but it never happens so move on.

{Ed0333's Note - I appreciate your reply Ken I just don’t see his that special.

15 Jul 2018 11:38:24
I was wondering if one of the Eds .............

{Ed002's Note - RTP}

15 Jul 2018 09:18:12
Hi ed002 can i ask is there any interest in Luke shaw. There were reports he turned down an approach from Everton. He doesn't appear to have much future at United and i would have thought a club like Everton would be a great opportunity for him to get his career back on track.
Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - From Everton.}

15 Jul 2018 07:39:24
Rashford to be given the number 10, leaving the number 19 shirt available. Bonucci currently plays in 19? Ok, I'm just thinking out loud. I don't really see Marcus being given the #10 yet, nor do I think we will go for Bonucci. But I would certainly take him at Utd. Born leader and could be fantastic, particularly in the middle of a back three. No credible reports of us being interested though?
On a side note; with Kohler signing with us (yet another sponsor! ) I keep thinking about sponsors helping to pay wages (e. g. with Ronaldo to Juventus, if rumours are to be believed) . I recall a while back there were rumours suggesting Adidas might help Utd pay wages when we were initially after Pogba, I think? It makes sense financially - Addidas or Chevrolet would benefit from having more big names at Utd, furthering their brands. Of course, sponsors do contribute to transfers anyway, albeit indirectly by the very nature of paying large sums to sponsor the club. What I am talking about is Adidas, for example, approaching Utd and saying "we would like X player at Utd due to their world-wide appeal, if you are interested? and we would pay X toward wages". Or if Utd would approach their sponsors in a similar fashion. Does anyone know if this (sponsors directly helping fund deals or wages) actually happens or is just paper talk?
Cheers.

15 Jul 2018 09:43:06
Doctor that is not how things work.

15 Jul 2018 10:59:18
Ed002 but be able to clarify things on this one. I remember a while back he mentioned something about Adidas potentially trying to play a part in moving Messi (an player sponsored by Adidas) to one of their major clubs, which at the time were Chelsea, Bayern and RM I believe but obviously never came to fruition. I may be wrong here but maybe someone can help because there was something along the lines of that! Hope this helps guys.

{Ed002's Note - No one will be paying the wages of Manchester United players.}

14 Jul 2018 23:53:31
Very good world cup from England, you guys should feel optimistic about your future. I'm willing to bet you will be one of the protagonists in the next 2 world cups. If you guys bring a very creative player in the middle then you will be there (semis or final), too bad Scholes doesn't play anymore : ( but your future looks very bright i must say. You were crap before but the way you are playing footy and the age of your national team you make you optimistic about your future.

15 Jul 2018 11:21:42
Based on what? Scraping past Tunisia, beating a terrible Panama, losing to belgium twice, scraping past Columbia on pens, beating Sweden and losing to Croatia? I really don’t see where all this nonsense of England being a top side again has come from. If they got belgiums side of the draw they would of been out first round after group stages. As soon as a half decent team came around they got dumped out. All this Southgate the saviour rubbish really is laughable. Bang average team and won’t win major honours with this squad.

15 Jul 2018 11:55:27
The mis-placed hype is really grinding my gears, even people whose football opinions I have respect for in my private life are trotting out the line about being really impressed with Southgate and the England team.

Stand hits the nail on the head. The problem is you have a lot of people that don't know much about football harping on about how impressed they were with the performance all over the media, and that spreads to people that should know better as they are too afraid to call it out because we reached the Semi-Finals.

Southgate told the world he was not prepared to change formation before the tournament, so intelligent teams like Croatia knew exactly what to do and that we worked on nothing but that same system which has massive faults. He picked the same team each important game, irrespective of fitness levels or performance in prior match.

Media were non-stop about how dignified and calm he was during and before games, but i smell a rat there as well. Out of his depth and intelligent enough to realise that if things go ok that obvious weakness would be jumped on and twisted into supreme knowledge. I'm seeing pictures and comments about knighting him! it will be the same thing with Kane winning the golden boot, he must have been the worst performer ever to win it, that won't stop the media though!

Great we got to a Semi-Finals, but it felt just like our Europa League run a couple of years ago, stumbling past poor teams playing poor football, only Jose has a lot more nous than Southgate and got us over the line - Southgate fell at the first hurdle higher than his ankle!

Most of the players were below standard as well, attackers and central midfield in particular. I came away frustrated not buoyed, never again will we have such a great opportunity and it was ballsed up by inept management for me. How Alli, Kane, Lingard, Young played so many minutes I'll never know.

15 Jul 2018 12:01:38
Exactly Stand, England had better teams in 96, 98, 02 and 04, still didn't mount a real challenge.

15 Jul 2018 12:19:25
And the future aren't the German side the French, Italian, Brazil all the big sides are also going to improve so I don't buy this young side either.
Ireland will win the next euros, you heard it here first😀.

{Ed007's Note - I don't bother much with international football and have only watched about 6 games in the World Cup but I was giving an Arsenal supporter I used to work beside a bit of a ribbing when England went out and he came back with the usual answer about Scotland didn't even qualify so you've got a cheek to laugh - I said to him to just remember that when Celtic lose or get put out the CL next season :)

15 Jul 2018 12:40:30
Wow, i just see things differently, someone said you had better "Teams" in 96,98,02 and 04, no you didnt. You had better players but no better team. Someone else questioned my enthusiasm about your future based on what? Well, i believe nothing comes from coincidence and you are Sub17, Sub 20 world champions, sub 19 european champions, your sub 21 made it to the euro semis, you are Toulouse champions (not an uefa or fifa tournament but very prestigious regardless), you finally have a plan on a formation of a footballer. I just read a very interesting article about your football's future and the project of "England's new ADN" and i share Lothar Matthaus sentiment when says the future is english and french. Sadly Southgate didn't have the player to do a better world cup but he will have them soon besides this have been a very good experience for your very young team. You are going to have a very good 2020 euros and a very good 2022 world cup, save this post.

15 Jul 2018 13:16:02
You can only beat who is put in front of you and that’s something England have reguarly failed to do at tournaments. There is a feel good atmosphere around the squad, we have a Manager that has created a ‘team’ and who behaves in a dignified manner, the team did better than we thought. We didn’t put teams to bed when we were dominating the, which led to some squeaky bum times but generally this has been some of the better performances I have seen from England in a long while.

However, Southgate will have seen the game slipping away against Croatia and yet he did little to change things. Kane was picked continually even though he was either knackered or injured; I fear he is becoming Rooneyesque in that he gets picked irrespective of form. The final was within our grasp and yet once again we came up short. But, this was the youngest squad at the tournament, if they can develop and we bring a few more through than in 2 or 4 years who knows?

15 Jul 2018 14:42:36
Beast you missed a bit. How did sterling get so many minutes.