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15 Mar 2012 23:51:57
Had a peep at the scouse page - they really are obsessed with Utd - it would seem that Utd are really poor losing to 7th placed la liga side - I guess the scousers would feel at home in the Fiat conference whilst competing for the seńor Jose paint trophy
15 Mar 2012 23:36:14
Not only were we outclassed against Bilbao both home and away, but how many chances did they have? It could have been very embarrassing!
They were superb, and the EPL is poor in comparison with La Liga.
Upmost respect to their supporters. Applauding Giggs when he came off, and saluting Rooney's goal was absolute class.
You won't believe this, but Liverpool supporters were like this once.
15 Mar 2012 23:32:03
CONGRATULATIONS to AB and their supporters...
Both were outstanding tonight.. and last week....
I hope they go on to win the competition
oxred
15 Mar 2012 23:07:13
Just like to say well done to bilbao on tonights performance no complaints you deserved to go through and i only hope we get back to playing with the same attitude,flair and tempo as you showed over both legs we have played much to slow at times this season and never look good we allways play much better with a hightempo as was slightly in evidence once pogba, smalling and welbeck came on so at least thats something and no injurys so thats good for the run in on a different subject good luck and best wishes to eric abidal hope your op goes well
Onecut
15 Mar 2012 22:52:32
so we outa europe (we were after champs lge) but im glad coz i wud not want to jepordise the prem for a cup that none of us wud of wanted to have at start of season? i agree that we looked poor in europe but i dont think the result would of been the same if that was a champs lge game? lets not start the get him n him out yet coz wiv the resources weve got weve started to play some good attacking football n cleverly coming back t fitness and toni hitting ground running we doing well and looking goo for the run in. chelsea will beat city n then there arses fall out n we win trophy b4 swansea game and have trophy celebrations at last home game? pogba enjoys the celebrations n starts last 2 games of season n signs up? then we get on there backs to add to our good squad with a few great players. come on epic number 20. UNITED99
15 Mar 2012 22:29:42
I wasnt suprised we lost game tonight. Both legs tells its own story in the gulf of technical, and tactical abilities between the two teams. Fergie is not oblivious to the weaknesses of his squad but unfortunately we will be seeing more of these performances. The money is not there.
fergie and the coaching staff need to focus on improving the technique of players, movement off the ball and passing on the ground. We also need to work on pressing the opposition constantly. These are the core ingredients which the bilbao players had and we didnt.
15 Mar 2012 22:26:59
Okay so we are out of the Europa League, a blessing in disguise IMO. Possibly playing 50% more games than City until May would have damaged our title hopes. There is not much good that has come from tonight, but I guess Rio & Carrick coming off early means they can start on Sunday. Welbeck only played twenty minutes so should also start against Wolves. Smalling, Cleverley & Pogba got a much needed run out. Valencia has had a good lengthy recovery and should return for Sunday, we have been missing him something rotten. Scholes & Hernandez got a rest so will feature on Sunday. Fingers crossed Rafael & Rooney's ankles are fine and hopefully Nani & Jones can return. I see Smalling playing RB on Sunday with Rio & Evans at CB, Evra at LB :( .Carrick & Scholes to make up the central midfield with Pogba & Cleverley on the bench as direct replacements. Valencia & Young on the wings and hopefully Rooney and Welbeck upfront. Would like to see Pogba get a start on Sunday, but probably be thirty minutes depending on how the game is going.
Sydney!
15 Mar 2012 22:26:35
Many here says that Euro Cup is not a priority, this is y SAF uses a 2nd, poor and an average team every game, so I'm wondering which competition is our priority?
UCL- 2W-1L-3D Priority or not?
Euro Cup. 1W-3L ?
Carling Cup ?
FA Cup ?
Stupid excuses for the team that losses the game...
Lets assume, we're not stronger enough to compete for any European competition right now
Good night
Holyunited
15 Mar 2012 22:17:48
Fair play to Bilbao on what is a far better result for them than it would have been for us. They put a hell of a lot of effort in and deserved the win. I'd imagine a whole lot more effort than they put in at the weekend, didn't they get beat 2-0 by Osasuna or something? (correct me if I'm wrong I could be way off). And I'm sure come Sunday we will show a hell of a lot more effort aswell, which says a lot. Losing isn't nice and especially in that manner, but I'm trying to be optimistic and look at the bigger picture... Embarrassing stuff at times though.
On a side note, good to see Pogba rack up another 30mins to his tally.
Oh and someone tell Evra to get forward a bit more! He seems far too pre-occupied with being a role model captain to make any forward runs...
And no it's not the lowest form of wit.
APC
15 Mar 2012 22:08:42
Try again eh Ed?
Liverpool supporter here in peace.
I've never posted on 'your' site before, but can see the similarities in regards to the moaners...Geeez, I really think the Chelsea and Citeh money has deluded fans into thinking that instant success is a given.
For one, you are seriously missing Vidic and your midfield is so one dimensional. The likes of Giggs & Scholes can't carry you any more. Anderson, Carrick, Cleverley(will come good) and Park are simply not good enough when put under pressure.
To conclude, all I can say is well done on being top of the league - magnificent achievement considering how basic your team is without:
Vidic, MJ, Valencia and Roooney.
Lee YNWA
15 Mar 2012 22:08:35
Also, I forgot to say earlier, fair play to the Bilbao fans who turned to our fans at the end of the match and started singing "United", and the applause for Giggs was classy too. Perhaps these Liverfool fans could learn a thing or two?
#ags 19
15 Mar 2012 21:58:05
Ed, please post in banter.
Does anybody else think Wayne Rooney is our weakest link ATM? Always giving the ball away, lost his trickery and skill, always dropping too deep to get the ball so when he does get it he can't pass to anyone because he is the striker! Like the commentator said tonight, "do you want WR to be putting those balls in the box or do you want him on the end of them?". I know which I'd prefer.
Yes he's got a decent shot on him, but what's the point if he's not in the right positions?
He was made to look like an ordinary player today, with all the skill and trickery coming from the Athletic players. With the amount of money he gets paid I'd expect him to be the best in the pitch in a game like this.
He's supposed to be our Messi or Ronaldo but he's nowhere near as good.
IMO I'd take £50m for him this summer and spend it on proper class, not all hype and no class.
FredtheRed
15 Mar 2012 21:36:55
All the cockney united fans are going to be unhappy tonight. Everyone knows that everyone in manchester supports city.
LFC YNWA
15 Mar 2012 21:32:49
I really don't get all the negativity on here after that tonight. Can people not read between the lines. Big clubs (and city) view the Europa as a joke. Neither fergie nor Mancini want the distraction, we don't need it and tbh there is no incentive to win it.
Ok we got beaten and athletic were class. I do think fergie underestimated them, in that we got lucky it was respectable, we could/should have been thumped.
Does tonight indicate anything about our prospects in the league or going forward next season? No, anymore than it does about city. Do we still need a couple of players in the summer? Yes but this talk of needing a huge overhaul is frankly b****cks. The only thing tonight highlighted is that pogba should be signed up asap
RomanRunner
15 Mar 2012 21:22:27
Q: What's the difference between United and a three pin plug?
A: Their both absolutely useless in Europe.
LFC 5 BIG CUPS (How many have you got?)
15 Mar 2012 21:17:51
Although it's clear we need some tactical know-how in the dressing room, I've no clue on good Assistant Managers. Who does everyone think could be good? Someone like Roberto Martinez? He makes Wigan play good football even with a poor team. Just a thought.
#ags 19
15 Mar 2012 21:17:21
At last someone as seen that mike phelan is useless and should keep away from the 1 st team all together
15 Mar 2012 21:16:33
Outplayed over both games to a side in Spain who are not at the very top table. Bilbao totally deserved their win. It is easy to say insert names were not good enough, however sometimes you sit back and see a much much bigger problem, a team problem.
A lot of people on here have said add two players and everything will be ok but having watched the two games against Bilbao as well as the other games we have made a mess of, I think it is far more than that now. No doubt SAF will say the players must wake up , learn, do this or that better but the players as a collective are not good enough. No subliminal messages will make a difference if the quality is not there and it isnt. SAF can try and hide this but the team as a unit are poor when it comes to playing against quick pacy incisive teams. What I saw tonight was a team , our team, that didnt know what it was doing. There was no pattern or plan, no pace in the middle, no quick passing but a very poor, try not to lose the ball, plan. No width or idea of how to use width, the midfield apparently afraid to pass the ball forward as it will come straight back, players not supporting each other. On Sunday we spent much of the first half too deep with too much space between defence and forwards before changing it, so what is the plan? It seems we just dont know.
That lack of pattern , a plan of how we are to play is down to the Manager or certainly him and the Assistant Manager. There seemed to be no thought in how we were going to break them down , control the play. We were disjointed and are a team lacking stars, lacking someone other than Rooney who can make a difference. If Rooney doesnt do it there is nothing from midfield creating or threatening. The one bright point was a cameo from Pogba, lot for him to do yet though.
It is not just players but our whole ethos and style that is wrong and it needs more than spending to put it right. If you watch the youth and the reserves we do play the same way so it is a change that needs to be driven across the board if it is going to translate into the first team. Maybe we are getting away with it in the league, maybe teams still fear us or our slowly slowly pass back style just about gets us through but not in Europe at any level.
Red Man
15 Mar 2012 21:10:19
Syd and other Utd fans that always throwing to City or Lvpool every time we loose seems that you prefer to be a looser if city or pool does the same.
15 Mar 2012 21:09:13
Did it really come as any great surprise to any of you. i have been saying for years that if the Glazers did not invest in world class players this would happen but their defenders like Gan and Moon and Sydney come here and try and shoot me down. Fergie came out last week after the game and said we would win and not one person in the press said to him "Are you taking the piss?" Technically they were in a different world to us and tactically they were far better than us as they pressed the game whilst we always sit back and look to pass backwards. The one good thing is that it will give a reality check to all those posters on here who were claiming that Cleverley was the next great thing well after tonights showing he has a little potential but a long journey to reach it and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Paul Scholes. lets hope we take our medicine and go on an unbeaten run in the league. Then everyone will say everything is ok and nothing really to worry about. Fergie will say we only need one player to make a side that will challenge in Europe and we will all want to believe him but secretly it will make us all sad to know that he takes his money from the Glazers and does what he is told and says what he is told. He must have been so glad that Keane wasn't commentating on tonights game as he would have had some things to say about the attitude of some of those players which was frankly disgusting and shameful. To think he gives one of them the Captains armband shows a lack of judgement. And for god sake Liverpool supporters have some pride can't you see we are so bored with your incessant obsession with our club. Just go away. I AM KLOOT {Ed024's Note -
15 Mar 2012 21:06:26
Im pretty sure before the match, most posters on here said we should be concentrating on the epl and forget about the europa league.
Well fergy didnt play a strong team, our tempo was too slow and it looked like we werent even trying. I didnt see a player sprinting the whole match. It looked like the players are not interested and the manager isnt either. Well in my opinion this was the right thing to do: an injury to a key player would destroy our hopes of a number 20 this season.
I cant help but imagine what would the posters reaction if rooney or carrick were injured today playing the hightempo game : " saf completely lost it, why risk our best players on europa league " well the pace of the game unabled us to give players some playing time ( cleverley, park and pogba ) without risking injuries. We were outplayed by a decent team when we werent even trying to play.
When we celebrate our 20th title at the etihad come may im sure im not goana see most of the haters here posting rubbish .
Mick
ps: i still think we need a new lb, cm and am but we are not as crap as some of you beleive
15 Mar 2012 21:05:50
now this is a very hard question lads-
whos the worst team in europe , argee for utd , disagree for city , i know its a close one.................lfc
15 Mar 2012 21:05:29
At the end of the day fans have their right to express anger at the performance and some of the players. We was dreadful.
Our defense was a shambles tonight. Absolute mess. Why? Rio is past it, Evans is not UTD quality and Evra is long past it. Rafael wasnt too good either.
Giggs i feel needs to retire, his performances are saddening me. Scholes came back because he can still do a job. Giggs is only still here because of his experience.
Park has always been hit and miss. Used to come good in the big games, but never seems to play good anymore.
We need to bring in some real quality. Weakest areas have to be CM, WB and maybe CB. We are also lacking a bit of creativity. Need another strike option too. Berbatov is sh1t.
We should be buying the likes of
Alba/Cissokho to replace Evra.
Subotic/Hummels to replace Rio. (I dont need reminding that Smalling is Rio's natural successor).
Martinez/Vidal to add some steel to the midfield.
Eriksen/Hazard to put some more creativity into the attacking midfield.
Higuain to replace berba.
But we will probably end up with Izaguirre, Rodwell and an unheard of talent.
Im entitled to my opinion and it is this, we simply dont have the cash to buy the 3/4 world class players we need. We will be given 60/70million at the max in the summer. Is that gonna buy us Alba, Subotic, Martinez, Hazard and Higuain? No chance. Until we have significantly less debt we wont be seeing many marquee signings for world class players which in reality we direly need.
Im not saying the Glazers are bleeding the club dry but they are not the best of owners and i would rather them sell up. But if they can sort the debt relatively quick maybe we could see a good influx of cash.
Sounds pessimistic but hey, im worried about the club as a lifelong fan. And yes you could say i am wishful thinking but did we not once have Cristiano Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez, Scholes, VDS, Vidic, Berbatov (who were all world class at the time) in the same squad? Thats 7. We currently have Rooney, Vidic and Scholes who id say are world class, Hernandez perhaps in a season or two.
Prices have inflated, but the fact is the owners have gotta catch up with the game of football. If we are to carry on as the most successful club in England we have to pay the prices for the world class players. Which sadly we cannot currently do until we are in a better financial position.
MUFC&PROUD
15 Mar 2012 21:02:27
So what is SAF's least favourite Channel 5 TV show...Home & Away!
Boom, boom...I'll get me coat!
dmedly
15 Mar 2012 20:55:24
Over the 2 matches I think the question would be who out of our team would get in there's?&aint we meant to be competing with Barca as was told?...no chance!the premiership standard as dropped&thats prob why we are still in for the title but europe miles behind! This summer by utd signings you will see whether the funds mean we compete jus for premiership or Europe!yes its great that we have some good young players who yes must have there playing time but there is definate for a few top quality to come in
15 Mar 2012 20:50:24
There seems to be alot of people throwing thier toys out of the pram and jumping on the we need to buy a new squad band waggon. This just isn't the case, it's no good putting a plaster on someone suffering from a headache it won't make a blind bit of differance. We could have had 11 superstars out thier tonight and in all likelyhood would have still been beaten.
Without trying to sound arrogant we had the better players out there tonight and were soundly beaten, buying new players won't change that. We had the better players against Ajax Benfica and Basle too and didn't do much better. So the solution to the answer isn't sign new and better players(although i do feel we need a couple of players). What we need to do is get to the root of the problem and sort it.
So what is the problem? Quite simply we were tacticly naive in every aspect of our play. In the Premier league we are in first place but in europe where tactics reign supreme we have come up horribly short. Last year we were awful in europe with pretty much the same team that was very good the year before and this year things have got even worse. So whats changed? We lost a very good tactically minded assistant manager thats what. Sir Alex is the best man manager in the world but he isn't great tactically which is why he's struggled in europe in his 25 years at the club. It's no coincedence that our best spell in europe has come when Carlos Queiroz was Sir Alex's assistant. Mike Phelan may be a club man but he's not the ying to Sir Alex's yang.
Anyone who knows anything about the workings of football will tell you that you can beat any team in the world if you work hard and get your tactics spot on(with a reasonable amount of talent obviously).
Our current team has the base of a great team, we have young hungry and talanted players, what we need now is someone to work with them tactically and point them in the right direction.
Queiroz is currently the manager of Iran surely it's worth a phone call to see if he want's to come back? I'd even be tempted to offer him a shot at the big job when Sir Alex steps aside if that would convince him to come back as assistant in the short term.
So before we spunk our cash on players this summer lets get our priorities right and bring in a tactically genius to work as Sir Alex's assisant and get us back where we belong.
Shappy
15 Mar 2012 20:43:24
Oh Eric, Eric Banterna, where are you my friend, come on don't be shy come and play with us reds fans just like you did all last week.............surely your not hiding away? wonder why that is? oh I know, could it be your team has just been played off the park and your now busy buying a city shirt online?? = TMac
15 Mar 2012 20:39:57
I'll be called all the possible names after this but honestly saying.
We don't buy cause there's no value in the market but I bet most if the guys here to name few just few players that are far better than we have. SAF lost his magic touch when comes to select the right players for the right games. We should be getting close to Barcelona but right now, we're even close to Atl Bilbao and it was proven in 2 games and no excuses. Whatever SAF knows best right?
Holyunited
15 Mar 2012 20:37:48
WARNING-
just to allay utd fans fears about your downgrading , a uefa spoksperson has just said utd are not on the critical list ... , they have just been put on the - not bad , until they meet a decent team list................lfc
15 Mar 2012 20:30:31
I have said a few times now to push Rooney up top and leave Hazard behind him in the hole. I actually think we need to keep two strikers as Rooney comes deep and no one takes his place.
If i had my way, and money was no option id sign Modric, Hazard and Alba at the very least. Spent our normal budget on Modric, sell Young, Park, etc to raise more money because they really aren't too great.
15 Mar 2012 20:42:26
Uniteds weak empire is crumbling, your old guard needs retiring off and fergie needs to be put in an old peoples home. The library/pigsty that is old trafford is going to become empty when all your cockney gloryhunters do one when you become as mid table side
Trev YNWA
15 Mar 2012 20:27:48
Well, congratulations to Bilbao, they played us off the park. We were never going to go through after the first leg humiliation and to be quite frank, we didn't deserve to.
We are kidding ourselves when we think this squad is going to push Barca. The story might have been different tonight had Scholes, Vidic and Valencia had played. But in reality we are a poor side at the moment.
English football is on the decline, and we are not playing 'good' football. We've outplayed by Benfica, Bilbao, Norwich, Man City and may other sides. We are a shadow of our former selves and would be embarrased by Barca or Madrid as well as our very own side from 3 or 4 years ago.
Some investment needs to go into this squad or else, no more 'decent' players we need good quality talented, technically gifted players. That is what we were lacking badly tonight, we couldn't keep the ball.
On the plus side, Pogba looked good, De Gea's handling was good, Welbeck was a breath of fresh air when he came on and Rooney had a good game and Cleverly did a couple of decent things but was generally poor. Everyone elses performance ranged from abject to rubbish. Park can't beat a man, Giggs can't hold onto the ball, Rafael and Evra can't defend.
I really hope that people can now see that EVRA is USELESS now, he has to go for the good of the club.
Please lets see the changes in the summer, lets go for the likes of Sahin, Modric, Hazard, Martinez. I tell you what, just having Martinez and Muniain in our side would probably have made a huge difference for us tonight. Include those two in a starting 11 and we are immediatly technically better, add to that decent left back and we are a far improved side:
__________DDG
Jones__Ferdy__Vidic__Alba
Toni__Clevs__Martinez__Muniain
________Rooney_Chicha
Please Fergie, start wielding that axe.
RedDevil19
15 Mar 2012 20:25:47
That was about as bad as it gets, outplayed over 2 legs by a decent top seven la liga outfit. My worry now is that with just a game a week between now and may, and as much as i hope we make it 20, it absolutley must not hide the fact that major surgery needs carrying out in the summer. anything less and we will fall further behind europes elite,
15 Mar 2012 20:23:46
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA G.A.G.U.S.....
15 Mar 2012 20:18:32
Well done to Athletic Bilbao fully deserved to win over both legs, also fair play to their great fans for applauding Rooneys goal & for the standing ovation given to Giggs when he was subbed - CLASS. MIDDLETON RED
15 Mar 2012 20:17:21
We learnt nothing new from tonight's game. The problems within this side have been evident for some time. Sunday will be interesting.
Matthew...
15 Mar 2012 20:15:57
OK every poor result we go on the rampage so please talk with your head and not your heart.
Like the previous game the last 20 minutes they lost their pace and should of been our time if we could of contained them earlier to get our goals.
Saying that hats off to them, they played very well and on their day are an excellent team. We hadn't time on the ball and lacked any type of attacking threat up until the latter stages of the match.
Really we learned very little we didn't already know, our squad isn't strong enough and we do lack in certain positions. I'm bitterly disappointed but saying that it was good to see what the future united team will look like and didn't do too badly but I only hope Jose tells fergie his targets to buy this summer cause we cant go through another season like this.
15 Mar 2012 20:12:33
LFC supporter here. Last Saturday, your resident two-year old GAGUS came on our page after we lost to Sunderland and simply wrote ha. Id like to return the comment tonight but prefer to be the bigger man.
cozinoz
15 Mar 2012 20:10:18
no complaints .beaten by a much better side.they were a joy to watch.in my opinion we are at least 5 players away from being a great side again and coming anyway near competing with barca or madrid.a rb (unless jones is going to play there permanently),a lb(evras a liability and fabio and fryers are nt good enough for different reasons).dm(keano never been replaced) cm(giggs,scholes and park will all go soon) and a no 9.before anyone gets on my back i ve said all this well before tonight.i don t mind losing at all but to show so little character really pisses me off.
15 Mar 2012 20:08:25
I'm not going to post about how the entire squad should be sold and the manager should be sacked as many posters no doubt will tonight after the game. I'm going to say tonight and last week we were beaten by a side who were giving their all in every minute of both games and playing to their maximum. Congratulations to Bilbao as they were fantastic.
Other points are that we should adopt a tempo similar to Bilbao as that forces mistakes from even the best players. My other point focuses on the performance of 1 player. Despite our whole side playing poorly they seemed at least to be trying, however, the last 30 minutes that Patrice Evra played there are probably the worst 30 minutes I have seen him play for United (that's saying something considering how he has played for the last 12-18 months) his efforts were that of someone who couldn't be arsed showing any commitment whatsoever. If you watch the 2nd goal again he didn't even attempt to block the cross, the amount of times he walked/jogged back instead of sprinting and the amount of sloppy passages of play involving him were ridiculous.
Rjmanutd
15 Mar 2012 20:07:46
Knew we'd lose the second i saw Giggs and Park anywhere near the starting lineup. When playing Spanish football you need to keep the ball, how are we going to do that with them?
On the up side, what a stunner from Rooney. It's no coincidence that the moment Giggs went off we got better, because guess what. Welbeck contributes more to the midfield than Giggs.
Percy
15 Mar 2012 20:06:54
"And here you are, taking the piss ;) Sorry mate, it was too easy, I couldnt pass up the opportunity.
TK-Red"
I knew I set it up mate and could see it coming, but come on, I'm certainly not one of the worst and usually say it how it is, however when you get knobs like the 2nd replier its very hard not to come on here and have a go. Especially when they haven't even got the bottle to leave a name. I'm undecided weather to post on here again, I might pop in every so often.
JFT96
Smithy
15 Mar 2012 20:06:47
Beaten by a better team over the two legs, i expected to lose tonight, but not in this manor, overall im very disappointed. To all United "fans" who are clambering for everyones heads, was it not only last weekend when you was sucking the proverbial penis and claiming how great we are and how terrible all other teams are? Not to name any names but it is obvious who our real supporters are, the ones who have been through thick and thin and know our history, the ones who do not turn fickle over night and change there view on the footballing world at the click of a finger, come on lads show some dignity please. Rant over. My next point regards the excellent games of football athletic have played, my hat goes of to them.... though i slowly pick it up and put it back on after the amount of play acting and diving i witnessed during todays game, which is possibly the only bad thing i can say about them. My next point is regarding English football vs Spanish football, is it possible that our style is Rock and theirs is paper, since Spanish football has entered their golden era we have been put to shame! yet we dominate our home league, why is this, does technical ability over come power and speed? Guillem Balague if you happen to browse this site please let me know. Eds do you have a opinion re english and spanish sides? (sorry for the long post)
JWalk (not shappy;)
15 Mar 2012 20:04:15
Not much to say, got what we deserved.
Thought Carrick played well first half and great goal by Wayne, not much else to say that's positive.
If Bilbao can keep that team long term they will be a great team.
That run by the right back, amazing!!
Red Daz.
15 Mar 2012 20:02:36
1) Let's welcome the no-named posters who demand SAF's resignation.
2) Liverpool lads, keep this interesting banter coming, just forget the fact that you're a mid table side who would do well to stay in the EPL this season.
3) This Ref made me laugh, He wasn't terrible but he missed some decisions.
4) Stan Collymore seriously needs to shut up. 45 minutes "if Bilbao score again (2-0) it won't really matter to much". Bilbao score again "It's game over now" - Contradict yourself why don't you.
5) We were terrible, Massively impressed with Pogba, he fitted in very well and worked hard.
6) Well done Bilbao, Played really well.
The Moon.
15 Mar 2012 20:01:16
just watched the united game....we were awful over the 2 legs,rio going mental at de gea for the goal wasnt rio ball watching as usual(he has lost it i think).bilbao the far better team imo.does anybody else think fergie will go on a summer spending frenzy?? i know people are going to say"we have no money,glazers are money grabbing #ssh#les etc etc.i think fergie deserves/needs 1 last big spending spree plus get off the deadwood(rio,park,berbatov and ando) only my opinion people
15 Mar 2012 19:59:42
stuffed, stuffed is the word...we got stuffed today and i have no regrets saying that. we got outplayed badly by bilbao, fact accepted and i hope we can now concentrate on the league.
DJ
15 Mar 2012 19:58:23
tonights game was an embarressment but i stand by my team.Really hope fergie gets rid of alot of that team.Pogba looked good when he came on and great strike from rooney but shame abut the rest of his game.
bilbao players played like it was an honour to play,uniteds well they still get paid dont they
corby12
15 Mar 2012 19:57:37
I trust most of the people on here are scousers tonight just posting stupid things, surely united fans aren't that stupid to think tonight was anything but a team playing their biggest game of the season. If we get knocked out of the champions league early for the next 2 years and these young lads don't improve then fair enough we are in decline.
Anyone calling the players 'losers' and pretending to be a united fan needs to take a reality check.
GDS
15 Mar 2012 19:57:21
Tonights performance was just poor. Just feel like there was no passion or enthusiasm in the team. The team that finished is the team that should of started! Fight fire with fire. Young team vs young team!
Nik Legend
15 Mar 2012 19:56:35
Well, first thing's first. Credit to Athletic Bilbao, because they vastly outplayed United in both of the legs, and thoroughly deserve their praise. United were pretty woeful, and were dominated in every aspect of the game. Young was anonymous. Park ran around and fouled everyone. Cleverley's pass completion rate must have been terrible. Rooney's strike was really the only good moment for United, as their overall play was very poor. Good to see Pogba get another run out. He was more effective than Park, and should have started all the Europa games. It's crazy to think Athletic are 7th in their league. I shudder to think about how United would fare against the top 6 in La Liga. Some serious evaluating needs to be done in the summer. Evra is a liability, and someone needs to step up and replace him, or a replacement needs to be purchased.
Ruudinthemood
15 Mar 2012 19:53:55
Hi Guys
Well the reality is over the 2 legs the better side has won no arguements.That said as good as Bilbao were we were poor.Bilbao have given us a lesson with the ball and without it.
I have to say that a lot of names are bounded about on here to be the next signings but IMO we need to get Hazard and Muniain.Those 2 will add the flair we are looking for and both young enough to be around for years to come.
Right onto Sunday and Wolves and the quest for title number 20.
Bazza The Red
15 Mar 2012 19:53:50
can i just say thank you to your invincable team for the vast ammount of pleasure they have given me tonight.well done lads.but if i could just give you a little tip for the future.
dont play against any team beging with "b".sorry forgot you already dont.you were made to look like crap that you are.
jimmybosun ynwa. mahwaaaaaaaor.
15 Mar 2012 19:49:41
What a great job of catching barca we're doing. This isn't just off tonights performance, we just look very average a lot of the time these days. Think we had the tactics all wrong tonight, this isn't the free flowing united I know and love.
TM
15 Mar 2012 19:48:36
10 games 2W-4L-4D what a shame! I wonder if this players are aware of which team they're playing 4.
HolyUnited
15 Mar 2012 19:47:18
Im really not that fussed that we got knocked out of the eurpoa league, its the carling cup of european football, I just hope now that city beat lisbon and go through to the next round, so we can concentrate on our 10 remaining league games,. city have have at least 2 extra games on top of their 10, looking good for league number 20 i think, Champ19ns
15 Mar 2012 19:45:04
Before the Sydneys of this world come in with the excuses. It wasn't an important game, Fergie didn't put out his best team, it doesn't matter because we're still on top of the league, etc. Lets take a moment to think about what this humiliating defeat means.
Three summers ago Fergie stated his intention to build a team capable of challenging Barcelona. Tonight we witnessed, for the second time in a fortnight, a United team completely dominated by a team 33 points off the top of la liga. Not only were we played off the park in these two games, above all we lacked the hunger and drive to even get close to competing. In contrast to Arsenal and Chelsea and their efforts in the last two weeks in the Champions league, we just accepted it (a few noteworthy exceptions).
We are a team that lacks leadership. We need someone who can stand up and drive the team on. Not a player like Evra masquerading as a captain. But a player who will not accept the type of languished performance the team has trotted out the last few weeks. We can't rely on Vidic as we don't know how he will come back from injury.
Ultimately Fergie needs to really think about the direction the team is heading in and how far the gap between us and Barca, Real and Bayren actually is. You can guarantee that City will be throwing money around in the summer trying to close this gap, but what are we going to do?
Danny Pughnited
15 Mar 2012 19:44:59
Evra is terrible, would rather play a young'un for the rest of the season.
DodgyBanter
15 Mar 2012 19:43:20
Rooney is literally carrying 10 mugs along with him. god knows were you would be without him.
Danny
15 Mar 2012 19:42:12
SAF should've played a reserve/fringe players team tonight and saved our strongest team for the league. If we lose to wolves like we did last season we are going to look very foolish for risking the league on trying to climb a mountain in Spain. We were out after the first leg. Never seen a united team so outclassed, outpaced, outfought and out thought as we have been by Bilbao in both legs. Embarrassing and depressing and it highlights the poor standard of the EPL. We win a lot of our games on reputation alone. We all can see that our midfield is shockingly bad and has been for 3 years. Evra is past it. As is Park and increasingly Rio. Giggs too. Cleverly seems to believe his hype but has achieved little so far to justify it. Rooney is our only world class player. It will be SAFs finest achievement if we win the league this season with such a limited team. Young is ok against the likes of Wigan but isn't what I see as real united quality. Valencia has been excellent but remember how poor he was made to look in the champions league final? The twins are forever injured. We need major surgery this summer if we are to compete in Europe. We might still do ok in England with 1/2 additions but it is obvious we are light years behind barca, real and bayern. Buy Martinez, hazard, a LB and a centre forward and we might restore our pride in Europe. Let's hope we do the business v wolves because league number twenty would be amazing.
Sorry for depressing you all but it's worrying watching us get outclassed.
Keane16
15 Mar 2012 19:40:25
today's performance in two words 'absolutely shocking' ,
Even though fergie doesn't value the europa league,but this kind of performance is disgracefull.
Park and evra should be sold this summer they have been awfull.
We need some serious overhauling.
A cb,lb,2 cm,and a striker is all we need.
A cb like benita
lb alba or sissoko
cm mvilla
cm/am hazard
striker higiuan
with a formation like this-
degea
rafeal vidic smalling sissoko
cleverly mvilla
valencia rooney hazard
higiuan/chicha/welbeck
jude
15 Mar 2012 19:39:56
This may be harsh but we might need to lose the EPL in order for our first 11 to be strengthened. This match is disgraceful. We know we need to score goals to win and we have only had 1 shot at goal. As I type this we have scored. So that's 2 shots on target, but it takes a wonder goal for us to score!! Against a team that is 7th in their league. I love united and really hope something semi drastic is done in the summer. Dissapointed fan. Rant over.
CDS
15 Mar 2012 19:39:21
If you can recall I have said you were in decline numerous times. This big loss should come as no surprise to you. you said europa league was a little competition when we were in it. well you have just been embarrassed in that competition. If man city falter in the league you could we win it for a 20th time. But realistically it will be a fair while until you add to that. sorry about the reality check guys but you should know.
Danny
15 Mar 2012 19:36:45
WARNING-
just like what happened to the uk economy - man utd have been downgraded from poor to critical on the ufea list, more news will follow................lfc
15 Mar 2012 19:36:40
Ok we have been fairly poor tonight, Bilbao have been good, the referee has also been poor. Those are my only thoughts on the match as, quite frankly, I dont care. This season is about finishing on top of the domestic pile, not just for ourselves, but to stop the City juggernaught take a stranglehold on English football. Those who say "we are United, we shouldnt like losing", none of us like losing but I would say those people have never been around during a time where we havent won for a long time. There is a bigger picture in all of this and this seasons poor European form will only help the young players, just as it did in 1996 and 2005. On another note what is going on with the Liverpool "banter" these days? Is it the school holidays or something? Does the youth of today really lack any form of wit and/or imagination?
TK-Red
15 Mar 2012 19:34:53
Hi lads, wasn't ever going to post on here again, however having flicked on here to see your reaction sime are a disgrace. You call yourself a fan and go on to slag off your club. As I said last time you lost to a team that played better on the night then and you are going out to a team better than you over the two legs. Some need to realise this is one of Bilbaos biggest game's in years, and there players now it, wheras your players IMO don't care about the Europa League, remember Evras reaction to being in it? They are playing better than I've ever seen them before, and you are playing below par, get over it and stop crying its that behavior that brings idiots on here to take the piss.
JFT96
Smithy
15 Mar 2012 19:33:59
Look we've been poor in Europe this season, but that is off the back of four or five top quality european campaigns. In the summer we'll freshen the squad up and start a new cycle. It happens. DOn't fret too much guys. WizardOzmand
15 Mar 2012 19:31:22
Pogba has done more in 5 mins than the rest of the team has all game.
DB-Red
15 Mar 2012 19:29:42
Another well protected Spanish team.
Supasub
15 Mar 2012 19:27:42
embarrassing pathetic bunch of losers
15 Mar 2012 19:27:27
park still on the pitch, wats the tinkin behind that? oh so our 38 yr old giggs will be fresh for wolves need to get rid of the dead wood fast wer rotting from the core
15 Mar 2012 19:26:22
Do these players not realize that there playing for Manchester united
15 Mar 2012 19:23:27
Another referee who hates english sides. Someone needs to sort our coaching out, our passing and game play has been woeful again.
Supasub
15 Mar 2012 19:23:15
Better team, better tactics, better attitude, better crowd, better entertainment value. They are just a class above and yes they are a good team but we are poor. Where is the desire and team spirit? We should be playing at the same standard as the 7th ranked Spanish team at the least. Ah I see we have just thrown in the towel. If we don't win the league now, which I suspect we won't, it will be a disastrous season all round. There we are - shamed and embaressed all round
15 Mar 2012 19:22:00
Man united getting a football lesson, great entertainment watching you get embarrassed on TV. Man u=joke club
JJ LFC
15 Mar 2012 19:21:10
One good thing to come out of tonights game is that it shows we are simply not good enough to win in Europe,totally outplayed by a team 7th in their league,we need to buy big in the summer and tonight proves it
15 Mar 2012 19:18:06
I'll openly concede that we're losing to a better team tonight. What i can't stand is what seems like a lack of appetite from the players tonight.
fatfugazi
15 Mar 2012 19:16:47
Personally I think tonight's game shows that it isn't just technique and skill which win football matches. Obviously Bilbao have been the better side and their players are wonderful technically but the tempo which they play at shows that if you put any team under pressure you can make them look very poor indeed.
Rjmanutd
15 Mar 2012 19:15:28
We cudnt score in a brothel fergie needs to role th dice now why not throw pogba wellbeck n hernandez on? Might aswell give them some match time
15 Mar 2012 19:14:11
The gulf in class between Bilbao and Man Utd is frightening and they are 7th in La Liga!
It could and should be 4 or 5
Best league in the world my arse!
15 Mar 2012 19:12:25
Hello losers. I am loving watching this match, you really are not good enough to win a european trophy. I wonder if you will ever get near our 5 european cups, i doubt it.
HA HA HA
JJ LFC
15 Mar 2012 19:11:23
At least it wasn't Barca that humiliated us this season. Too many of our "old guard" seem unable to cope with the speed of thought and action of Athletico. At times attacking options seem unavailable and we play laterally and slowly or get pushed into a back pass that is banged upfield. Tweaking in the Summer? I don't think that is enough.
15 Mar 2012 19:10:28
Watching 2nites game makes you wonder what constitutes "value"
15 Mar 2012 19:08:28
OK, Athletic are a very good side but ffs I'm getting a bit sick of the bilge comin from Dogger Stan and his cohorts. If he keeps on like this he'll need a box of tissues to clean up the mess in his kecks!
MANCRED 99
15 Mar 2012 19:08:26
Alot of people on here seem to fink Hazard is a winger. He's not, he plays behind the striker in an Ozil role. So people satin there's no need to have Valencia, Young, Nani and Hazard are totally wrong
Big Mac
15 Mar 2012 19:07:22
I would just like to pre warn everyone that IF we end up going out please don't let the scousers reel you in..If you do then don't complain that they're on here.
The Moon.
15 Mar 2012 18:56:28
Well, this is good innit.... No, I'ts a load of tosh. Do we have anyone who actually looks like a threat? It may look good passing to your own players in your own half but we may as well just pick the ball up and hand it to them..... Park, what is you r purpose in the team? Carrick, just plodding on, Cleverly still needs games under his belt, Giggs is to old (but its ok, he's capable of a moment of magic :-/), so where's the goal threat coming from? It aint Rooney, he's covering midfield mostly.... I know its only Europa, but its also Manchester United and its just not good enough.... Hats off to Athletic, there the dominant force tonight, closing us down forcing errors and constantly looking to press us.... HERBIE
15 Mar 2012 18:56:17
I think of we can win tonight thatll do me even if we still go out. I just hope I'm wrong and we will buy in the summer.
Nozzla
15 Mar 2012 18:55:11
So poor tonight. Bilbao far better team. Just goes to show how poor we really are.
Giggs is far too old to be playing and it is a joke that he is still playing. Young can only use his right foot and his crossing tonight has been terrrible.
No support for Rooney and he drops back far too deep.
Wellbeck on, Giggs off and try Pogba as we have nothing to lose now. Brignign Scholes on achieves nothing. WE need to try our younger players or they will leave.
Evra is unbelievably poor, Fryers over him any day or Fabio. No drive, determination or he can't be bothred attitude
Mad Hatter
15 Mar 2012 18:50:25
The days wen park coukd do a job in europe r gone,hed be more if use sitting on my sofa watchin it! Time for welbeck pogba and valencia.
P.s would it be that bad if utd went out jus so we didnt have to listen to stan colymore wreck are thursday nites!
15 Mar 2012 18:21:50
Javi Martinez is a top player. We really so look like we are missing something tonight, don't agree with the line up...
PJJ
15 Mar 2012 18:21:13
i wish stan would shut up. listening to his droning on, i wouldnt mind if he had won anything in the game and knew what he is talking about. but he doesnt..
not listening to him anymore would be the only plus side if we go out tonight
jenny
15 Mar 2012 18:18:42
Park is an absolute joke. Ferguson needs to cop himself on. Every time Park has played this year he has been awful, but he persists in playing him in important games. Park isn't a "big game" player he's a liability.
Danny Pughnited
15 Mar 2012 18:06:13
Sloppy defending already. Not a great way to start. Big performances from park Carrick and cleverly required.
15 Mar 2012 17:44:10
You can't help but smile at this Hernandez interview, he's going to be a united legend so much respect for the club and it's beliefs.
15 Mar 2012 17:21:06
Confirmed line-up:
__________DDG
Rafa__Evans__Ferdy__Evra
_Clevers__Carrick__Giggsy
Young____Rooney____JSPark
Line-up I wanted:
__________DDG
Rafa__Evans__Ferdy__Evra
_Clevers__Pogba__Giggsy
TonyV____Rooney____JSPark
Nice to see he is saving Scholes & Welbeck for Wolves. Hopefully Smalling will be fit for that game to replace Rio. Perhaps Jred is right and Pogba will get a start on Sunday? Pogba & Scholes would be a great midfield combo.
Sydney!
15 Mar 2012 16:39:09
What about roma's jose angel for left back?.hes young,a bit experienced and plays for a good team.
15 Mar 2012 15:38:05
Paul Pogba's 19th birthday today, Will he get a start?
15 Mar 2012 14:56:20
I hope pogba starts tonight. i'm not overlly interested in winning this competition, of course if the opportunity is there, take it. but with ferdy and evans in defence they'll have the experience and take him through.
we were over ran in the first leg, so maybe a young fit and enthusiastic pogba could keep up with them.
________De Gea
Raph__Evans__Ferdy__Evra
_________Pogba________
____Clevers____Carrick
Wellbeck__________Young
__________Rooney_______
would be nice, however i do think wolves is the most important game out of the two.
aaallj5
15 Mar 2012 14:40:10
Obviously it would be great if we won the europa league, But i honestly wouldnt mind getting knocked out and city going through to the next round, We would be able to concentrate on our last 10 games and city would have at least 2 extra games to deal with on top of their 10 league games, What you guys think ?
15 Mar 2012 12:28:49
Simples, We need a LB ( Unless Fryers makes the grade and signs ) , RB ( Should have kept O'Shea ), CM x 2 (maybe just 1 if Pogba signs ). Time to get the cheque book out and then bring the young lads through as and when.
15 Mar 2012 10:02:38
I'm going to go out there and say my Ideal and plausable summer dealings:
INS:
(not sure this will happen but his coach's announcement today forced his inclusion! It's either him or Xhaka IMO)Yann M'Vila - Looks set to move on, has stated he would love to come to us and fits the bill!
Granit Xhaka - Will add a bit of steel, energy and youthful exuberence to our ageing midfield. Would compliment Carrick, Scholes and Cleverley all nicely.
Eden Hazard - Is going to leave at the end of the season and everytime I see the SAF was there articles, I just keep reading more into it! I can't help it.
Lucas Digne - I think he will come as part of the Hazard deal, played with him, speaks French, ideal for Evra to teach.
Mateo Kovacic or Sotiris Ninis - One attacking CM that can pull the strings, depending on scout reports, price we will chose one of them.
Alan Pulido or Angelo Henriquez - I expect this to happen in Berba goes, I don't expected an experienced striker to come in as it will only be detrimental to Welbeck and Hernadez's progession. I hear we have first option on both so I see one of those hapenning.
OUTS:
Berbatov - Full Sale. Definately a possibility after todays comments
Loans:
Brady - Premier league Club
Tunicliffe - Premier league Club or Top 5 Championship
Macheda - I really feel they will give him another chance, we just need to find the right place to loan him to.
Petrucci -Premier league Club or Top 5 Championship
Will Keane, Larnell Cole, Jese Lingard - I think they will all have short stints at club's during next year 1-3 month loans in the Championship.
These are all possible and feasible dealings I expect to happen.
Would you all be happy with that? I certainly would.
Sanshine
15 Mar 2012 09:22:50
According to reports..
Pogba has travelled with the squad to spain.
Looks like he may get another shot at first team football. : - )
With Ando down and out looks like he'll get his chance to earn himself a first team place.
Looking forward to the game
Monk
15 Mar 2012 04:22:07
I am happy to see Chelsea and Arsenal gain form again. I wish they could both beat/draw City in the upcoming ties. It'd be great to win by 6-7 point margin.
15 Mar 2012 02:37:38
These hazard rumours seem hopeful but where really do we need to improve?.. Carril had been one of our best players this season and all I see that needs replacing is the creative midfielder we have been lacking for a few years now... I still think sneijder is the man, genuine class two footed and quick over a few yards and on the turn. With berba leaving perhaps another striker needs to be brought in but at the end of the day Rooney works well with welbeck and Chica so all we need is perhaps a benchqarmer with a bit of experience.
DanV16
15 Mar 2012 00:28:19
So with the news of Berbatov leaving it seems we are clearing some more of the deadwood out this summer. Maybe 8-10m for Berbatov? There are several players who's futures aren't guaranteed but with Anderson seemingly unable to stay fit for a prolonged period and Park showing that his standard seems to have dropped a bit I think they may well be moved on. Many on here want a new lb with Evra going and I agree with that however I can see Evra being here for 1 more season. The others like Kuszczak, Macheda, Bebe, Owen and De Laet will all most likely be going as well. Adding to that whether or not Scholes will play on, the situation with Fletcher and Giggs most likely playing a lesser role. Rough valuations of these players could well bring in around 25m. Here's hoping for another 25-30m being added onto that figure to revamp the squad. Thats enough to bring in a marquee number 7, a midfield battler and most likely another young prospect most likely a forward. That wouldn't be a bad summer IMO.
Rjmanutd