Manchester United Banter Archive May 15 2014

15 May 2014 19:44:05
Man United Transfer Targets are receiving interest from ^ BIGGER CLUBS ^.
I.Y.O what does not make us a big Club? For years we have been up there with the rest of the football giants.

It's old news that our team has needed a reshuffle for quite some time and LBH the Money bags of rubbishty and Chelski have ruined Football by making players GREEDY, added with the Common phrase " There's no value in the market " we were fed by S.A.F have not helped as we all know what happened there.

You can all say what you want but if the likes of Vidal etc prefer to go elsewhere then off they go. What are they guaranteed higher wages but could possibly a spot on the bench, if they can't Adapt. I have seen many players go to the money bags and not even get 45min.

The World Class players we seek must surely know by Signing for M.U.F.C Means that they are guaranteed a Decent salary plus part of the first team. If they would rather be a glory hunter and warm the bench at another club then their not fit to wear our jersey.

If EW was to leave who would you replace him with.

15 May 2014 22:06:42
Pple talk about Manchester United as if they don't pay large transfer fees and wages. RVP, Rooney, Mata whose wages have been trippled, the deadwood Cashley Young, Nani, Valencia, Evra, Vidic, Rio, etc.

Nobody's saying United aren't a big club, however Madrid, Barca, Munich, City, Chelsea, PSG can all offer much more than United atm.

Plymouth Red

They only over Champions league football this year. Mr Woodward has came out and said that we have the money to spend, which is long overdue. I know it may not attract many top players but surely the attraction of playing for MU will bring them. If MU keep up the patience they have shown of late they may just sign 1 or 2 that will cover defence and midfield and hold off till January.

Why you ask? We'll come January I can assure you that some of our targets teams may have been eliminated from the cup and therefore putting us in pole position if we are playing well and confident of CL Football which I'm very positive we will be.

U.T.I.D

Everyone keeps banging on about the champions league but let's be honest out of the English only Chelsea are realistically likely to get to a decent stage, maybe city truth of the matter is Liverpool and arsenal will be eliminated in the group stage .I personally don't think it will affect who comes or goes tbh.

Liverpool will get a tricky group due to their ranking but Arsenal consistently get beyond the group stages and there is nothing to suggest next season will be any different.

Woodward has raised the expectations of the fans; all of whom will be pissed off if you don't get the players.

15 May 2014 18:31:12
Sydney sorry.dude x
But you raved carrick four years ago. You defended the same word overated' that you use now.
GCU, you left early this morning?

15 May 2014 19:05:26
4 years ago Carrick was very under rated in this country not just by united fans. Quite highly rated in Spain and Italy and I've had conversations with fans on trips there who couldn't understand how he wasn't in the England team ahead of dross like Barry.

Now though age is catching up with him and he's had a poor season. I also think the change in training regime pre season didn't help him.

I'd like to see him phased out next season but the guy has more than paid bach his transfer fee based on contributions to trophies won.

BIG AL

Left early this morning?

I am quite bored to be frank and some of the stuff posted about transfers is just pure fantasy and not worth getting involved in.

I think I am suffering from Bet withdrawal syndrome LOL as there is very little to bet on and most teams have nothing to play for. Having said that I have just reduced my account to almost nothing on 2 bets this saturday and will not even watch the games as I will be in Vegas and Thinking of you guys or not :)

GCU enjoy mate( -_-)
Be a long time before I get to vegas. Il be making sure my 2 teenagers come hime safe this weekend. Joys of a single dad ;)

GCU and Big Al! Do you two live together or something? Lol!

I'm jealous, been there 6 times already. Good place for playing is the old part / Freemont street in the evening. Effin love the whole place and I'm not even much of a gambler. Stayed at the Venetian last time I went but love to go in bellagio and Caesers for a flutter.

One the lotto last night going to vegas oh no that a six not a nine well as the scouser saying goes there's always next year

15 May 2014 17:22:32
Ed or anyone. When does the transfer window open? Does it open early domestically?

{Ed002's Note - July 1.}

15 May 2014 16:48:27
Rumours are circulating fast now. Apprently the announcement of Louis van gaal will happen once Liverpool win the premier league?

Get Moyes back for a season then to steady the ship, then Val Gaal can come in 2015 and sink it.

Could be quite a while.

Can't wait to see Suarez tear Liverpool apart next season in the CL. He'll win the league with RM!

Hell will freeze before that happens. :0)

Can't wait.to rip united a second string team :O

Unitedlad,

such as in 20 years time you mean. Crikey, LvG will be over 80 then! LOL!

PR when are you going to start re floating yours? Are you counting your chickens on the M62? Again!

I think it's high time we had a revolving number flag celebrating number of years since Liverpool won the league.
We did it for City and got what 35 years use out of it ;)

Maybe we should make it a 3 digit one :)

There is a football game between 3 Armenian brothers, believed to be LFC fans in the northern part of Gavar in Armenia.

Do you want to fly a plane over mates?

15 May 2014 15:05:28
What is the situation with Rues, Shaw, Kroos and tbh Kevin Strootman*** isn't the player that will transform our midfield to a world class one.
Ed could you shine some light on these players.
Thanks in advance.

{Ed002's Note - Read the posts - use the search functions.}

If LvG says that he plans to build the holland team around Strootman i'm pretty sure the player must be very very talented.

15 May 2014 13:06:41
Ed02, on the 29th April you stated we'd have to speak to Roma if we were interested in Strootman. Has anything changed and have we enquired at all?

{Ed002's Note - I am told that there has been no bid made yet.}

002, are you or your sources expecting MU to make a bid for Strootman in the coming weeks? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Manchester United and Liverpool took a look at Kevin Strootman before he left PSV. I understand that there is much speculation but as of this time there has been no bid made. Unless his injury clears up to where he can at least pass a medical even if he cannot prove his return to form would be high risk for the buying club unless the transfer was caveated and he perhaps stayed in Italy until next year.}

If we are going to take a risk on an injured/been injured this season player I would rather that be Gundogan than Strootman.

Strootman to me is a more average version of Carrick. We need someone quicker like a Vidal.

Makes sense, thanks Ed.

RF, how can you get a more average version of Carrick? Carrick is as average as they come.

RF, Strootman is nothing like Carrick, he's actually a pretty good runner with the ball at his feet. He likes to get forward as well as just playing a pass. However that said there are quite a few other midfielders I'd rather we went after instead.

@Sydney!

This season he has been average yes. He has basically been our only senior central midfielder and has singlehandedly managed the midfield for 4 years at least and its made him look worse. Imo he does very well with the absolute tosh that is in and around him, he has very out balls since our wingers have been poor for quite a long time now.

He was very good with Scholes and Fletcher beside him in his first 3 years. His positioning, interception rate, passing ability is one of the best out there. Its only his mobility that lacks.

Strootman is average in all departments imo.

He reminds me of a younger G Barry

@Ozwald

I know that Strootman likes to get forward and has decent ball control but I don't think those qualities are effective when he lacks any direct pace or the ability to go past a man in midfield.

You need to be a Yaya Toure or Arturo Vidal for that style to be effective.

Carrick maintains his position and that is purely due to the tactics that have been employed. He has excellent tactical discipline.

I haven't seen anything exceptional in Strootman yet. He would just add to the average pool we have and won't improve us.

RF, Carrick is tragically slow on the ball, most players know where they are going to pass the ball before they receive it. Carrick gets the ball and dwells on it, missing key passing opportunities and slows down the tempo. He prances about in a world of his own, not putting in any tackles. He isn't a defensive player, he offers nothing offensively, never scores or assists. Carrick is one of the reasons our midfield has been so poor for the past four seasons. Carrick is one of the most overrated players MU have ever had. Squad player at best IMO.

Strootman isn't the player I want (Vidal), but Strootman is far better than Carrick.

Redfaith is on the money imo

RF, KS's tackling, ball control, passing and positioning is excellent. His shooting is decent, not great. What he lacks most is blistering pace, but then so does Matic. He offers more than Matic does in almost every department, yet people rate Matic now he's a Chelsea player and not KS. Odd that.

Don't get me wrong I hope we go and buy Vidal, but KS is not an average player. He's a good player, but we need a great player (Vidal).

Syd,
I see Carrick is the new Evra for you ;) slightly strongly worded if you ask me and can't remember you slating him like this when SAF was here. He may be on the decline but has been our best CM for years. I think we were lucky to have him during that period.

Jred, who would you prefer:

Kroos & Strootman?

or

Kroos & Carvalho?

You have to choose one :)

I haven't seen a single post on here saying matic is a great player.
Strootman is decent but nothing special imo but its the same old crack as soon as a player gets linked to us certain people start raving about them being the next or current big thing.

I honestly think strootman is carbon copy of G Barry when capello gave him the england arm band and around the time benitez tried to sign him.
Barry was decent but nothing special, strootman would maybe be a half decent signing but there are a lot better out there imo .

Gav, not at all, it's my honest assessment of Carrick. Evra was world-class, but when he declined he was tragically poor defensively. Carrick peaked a couple seasons ago, but is still well below the standard needed at MU. Fans have an habit of thinking their players are better than what they are. We all do it, some more than others. The truth is Carrick isn't a very good player. He is lacking in almost EVERY department, but because he's a MU midfielder he gets overrated. There's a reason why he never gets picked for England. He's a decent player, a squad player at best IMO. If annoys me when people say he's been singlehandedly running our midfield, Carrick is one of the biggest problems in our midfield. Slow, cumbersome and zero tempo. We don't need a partner for Carrick, we need a replacement for Carrick and a partner for his replacement.

Syd
Im honestly not sure maybe kross strootman due to price and strootman is a better passer.
But that said I think carvalho will be the better player in the long run .
But then again I honestly think carrick would do just as good a job as strootman .

I think a kroos carvalho partnership would be better but would cost a small fortune and as carvalho seems overpriced .for the money you could get kroos and 1 of martinez modric or fabergas for example which I think would work very better

Kroos and Vidal.

We can only dream :)

If that makes sense? ( i'm on the mobile its a nightmare )

Fair enough Syd, he certainly has always lacked mobility and pace. I actually thought he would have been a very good DLP if he'd have had a world class B2B next to him, say if Pogba stayed. We will never know now though.

Strootman is worse than Fellaini guys and I wish you would drop this silly discussion. No team will bid on a player who has a busted knee and can hardly kick a ball. Even before then he was not that special and we never went for him. He is not good enough for United.

LVG will be next getting the sack if he thinks Strotman is the answer to our midfield issues both in the PL and Europe.

15 May 2014 11:40:14
Apparently manager announcement delayed until next week again, it's all a bit public isn't it?

All a bit pointless if you ask me. You can announce it but he doesn't need to be there or have a press conference until he is properly here.

This is the second delay, obviously there are small issues left to figure out or MU are just being respectful of Holland, and waiting til after the Ecuador game? Not sure, but I think we can all now assume he is our next manager.

I think the issue is that it is not public at all, so the press are making things up. People then believe what they read and then think things have changed when actually nothing has said in the first place.

Apart from Giggs who was manager at the time saying publicly last week that he thought that the managerial side of thing would be sorted in the next week.

15 May 2014 15:21:13
Exactly gds, it seems LVG will be our man this is just a case of people clambering over themselves to try and predict the right date, to earn some points in the ITK stakes. We gave already been told on this site that it would be Sunday, then Monday, then today now next week. My guess is we are being respectful towards his current job but he is already having a say behind the scenes. let's just wait and see, these predictions over time scales rarely come off which is why Ed002 stays away from them!

15 May 2014 18:30:54
I think utd may not announce its lvg until Holland are out of world cup. That to me would be the most respectful way but just a possibility. Potentially Woodward and giggs with lvg discussing current squad, youth players and squad requirements whilst they met in Holland. That way lvg can concentrate on the job in hand whilst utd go after identified targets. Obviously I realise this is just a possibility and in no way fact so Ed02 please don't add me to the vegetable patch ;)

Supasub, my post wasn't aimed at you BTW, in case it wasn't obvious.

15 May 2014 10:00:48
Well, will today be the day that van Gaal is finally announced. Looks as though Giggs will be the assistant, Hoek the goalkeeping coach and he will bring in Reekers his video analyst. Other staff at this point is not being made clear by the media. Hopefully we get the announcement today and then the announcement of Shaw next week a long with one or two others before the World Cup? Kroos and Indi maybe? If we are going for Strootman I imagine he will be much easier for us to sign because we can negotiate with him during the WC as he won't be playing in it where as most of our targets are.

15 May 2014 11:07:03
The Beeb is reporting that Woody will be making an announcement at 13.00hrs!
Finally.

Sky saying announcement will be delayed until next week!

Sorry, Telegraph has said that there will be a delay until next week so as not to cause a distraction to the Dutch plans! I'd say this is distracting them more!

Sky announce an exclusive. There is nothing new to report! Well done Sky!

It's becoming a bit ridiculous now, what's the point in delaying? Every press conference LVG has been in so far he's asked about MU so it's not like it's helped him in that respect.