Manchester United Banter Archive April 16 2013

16 Apr 2013 21:11:22
I know in recent years we've kept a close eye on Ross Barkley. I know that one of Everton's physio's was quizzed by a United scout 3 or 4 years ago when we had an interest in Rodwell. Does any of the Eds, Sydney! Or anyone else know whether he's a likely target in the summer?

Adz {Ed004's Note - Possibly}

United were interested in January 2012 according to Kloot. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if SAF wanted him. He likes young English players.

Sydney!

I've not seen much of him for some odd reason (I do watch Everton every now and again) - can anyone tell me is he more of an attacking mid or somone who creates from deep? Is he best suited to playing in the 2 or the 3 in a 4231?

Thanks, {Ed004's Note - 3 imo, personally he is not what we need}

I thought he had a good game and was unlucky not to score with his shot

dio

That's a shame Ed004, was hoping he was more of a Wilshere type, able to play next to Carrick/Strootman. Nevermind!

16 Apr 2013 22:37:41
He plays a similar role to Powell. I think Barkley is the better passer of the two and is more physical but Powell has the better vision and a more clinical finisher. So Powell is the more creative and Barkley better defensively by keeping the ball and being physically stronger. In an ideal world it would be good to have both but seeing as we currently have Rooney Giggs and Kagawa who would play that position ahead of him as well as Powell obviously, it would be foolish to sign him.

Shappy

I can't say who is better because I haven't seen much of powell or barkley.
Seriously though stop being biased barkley was starting against Arsenal away. We probably won, t be seeeing powell starting away against a big team for 3/4 years. So stop saying that united player or this united player is better than x or why when you have no proof!
At the moment unbiasedly barkleys the better player! Defensive? the guy has set up many chances tonight and had great vision and skill to pick those passes. Powell reminds me of a young gerrard while barkley is a more modern attacking midfielder.

Sulei

16 Apr 2013 22:57:53
could be a signing for 2014 when giggs goes but would we need him by then with powell and the other young lads coming through.

16 Apr 2013 23:51:21
Sulei, I have watch Barkley on his loan at Leeds and his games for Everton, I watch Powell play for Crewe and for our under 21's and the couple of times he's played in our first team. So I would say that i'm quite well placed to judge him, or at least maybe more so than you are as you say yourself you haven't seen much of either of them.

I'm not being bias towards the United player, at no point did I say Powell was the better player overall. I said what each players strengths are. From what i've seen Powell is the better player going forward, and yes Barkley is and attacking player but he isn't as much a threat going forward as Powell imo. But he is much better at the more defensive side of the game, and his ball retention and passing is better. Both are good young players and both have a good chance of making it at the top of the game.

As for the arguement that Barkley must be better as he's playing against Arsenal away. What a stupid thing to say. One plays for a good but possibly over achieving midtable to top half team and the other is playing for the champions elect the three times european champions, the team that has won the most FA cups in history. Do you think for one second if Everton had Rooney Kagawa and Giggs in their first team that Barkley would have started tonight? We have the largest and strongest squad in the league and everton struggle to fill their 25 man squad. If Powell was at Everton I would expect him to have played in at least as many games as Barkley maybe even more.

Sulei,

What a silly post, I am glad shappy pointed out how stupid saying Barkley playing for Everton at arsenal doesn't mean he is better than Powell because he doesn't get in for united. Does that mean anichebe is better than Hernandez?

Shappy never even said Powell was the better player, he gave a fair opinionated view of the 2 players based on what he has seen of them. You said yourself you haven't seen much of either, you get a comment from somebody who has and complain because you don't agree with his opinion.

Having seen a reasonable amount of both I would have to say Powell has the most potential and hopefully won't be wasted at united. I would hope he will get a few more chances next season or a premier league loan if need be. Barkley is a good player as well, probably similar to Powell, but as we already have Powell, as shappy says, it would seem a bit pointless signing Barkley when there are other areas we need to improve.

16 Apr 2013 21:00:16
Watching arsenal v Everton game, Ross Barkley is going to be
A great player, he is intelligent and strong. I reckon he could
Be a good signing for us, our missing link in midfield
Perhaps.

16 Apr 2013 22:03:46
Here we go!
Will it be Nolan the nan we need after West Ham game.

Miralles will be a very good player and I think Everton have bought a gem of player there that might have a huge season next year.

Shahram

Shahram, I agree, Mirallas is good enough to play for us. I think he will be in my Dreamteam next season.

Sydney!

Shahram and Syd

Completely agree with you guys! Wanted to post this for sometime. He looks one hell of a player. Good enough to play for us IMO. Haha, he fancied Everton over Arsenal. But a special player!

Deeps.

Cazorla was one hell of aplayer. go and buy him

16 Apr 2013 17:17:09
I am more convinced than ever that Malky will succeed Sir Alex. He already acts as Malky's mentor ;they are from the same part of the world and plan in the same meticulous way.

Redbird

I doubt it.

16 Apr 2013 18:10:36
And he's never managed in the prem much less europe. And I think a relegation battle next season won't do him any favours. What is it with people keep putting forward people with no chance. We need someone with experience of running a massive club, of managing big ego's, of spending big money on transfers, of winning trophies, competing for league titles, who can handle the pressure of united and succeeding fergie. Does any of that sound like someone who's entire manager career has been in the championship? Forget your Moyes, Martinez and other alsoran's we need a proven top class manager. We're United, we're ambitious, we have expectations. Second or third class managers won't deliver. We don't want a repeat of the seventies.

Ummm in a word no!
Chris the REDman

Big game tonight, Redbird. Enjoy!

Having lived in Cardiff for almost 10 years and followed them since then - I'm a big admirer of Malky. I think he may well end up in a big job, but not yet and not that soon.

He needs lots more experience and before even being ready to be considered for The Big Job :)

Also, I think SAF helps out a lot of young Scottish managers, with advidce etc.

Why can't Martinez do the job? I guess most managers of big clubs would have managed small clubs at some point and got the opportunity.

Anyway I believe the club would make the right choice whoever it maybe.

16 Apr 2013 16:40:21
So far this season

Rooney 16 goals 9 assist

Falcao 24 goals 1 assist.
5 goals in one game 12 pens

Rooney all the way for me

Banter please ed

Ross

16 Apr 2013 16:50:21
Lewandowski 30 goals and 7 assists. Lewandowski wins. Lol

Falcao has 30 goals in 34 games in all comps and that rooney tally is all comps.
DHK

HMM

Ross Falcao is much better striker. That is why he probably has a 10 to 15 mill premium to rooney.


Shahram

Ross Falcao? Is that his Scottish cousin? ;)

TK-Red

16 Apr 2013 22:46:07
Damn it TK if only there was still and agree button, i'd so be pressing it right now:-P lol.

Smart ass LOl

Shahram

16 Apr 2013 15:31:47
Ed have the agree/disagree buttons been permanently removed from the football sites?

IDM {Ed002's Note - From the Banter pages, yes.}

Good news, about time imo. Never much seen the point of them. If someone has an opinion that you don't agree with, you should respond wirh your own point of view, not by pressing a button.

IDM

16 Apr 2013 14:41:24
The many of you who paid your repsects yesterday to Hillsborough, just wanted to say its hugely appreciated and thank you.

Apples '96'

16 Apr 2013 14:39:11
Forget price or age or "we could also buy such and such"
Just listen to the football fan inside yourself, who would you rather watch in a United shirt next year lewandowski or falcao

If money was no object, then Falcao as he is the finished article.

But we are not PSG, Chelsea or City. Getting Falcao would mean less improvements elsewhere in the team. Buying Lewandowski for £15m or so means there is still cash for a Goetze too (example). So then it would be Falcao or Lew & Goetze. For that reason most would want the latter, but if it's just a matter of picking a striker no matter what the price is, then Falcao is who 99% would choose.

Sydney! {Ed002's Note - I thought Falcao signed for Manchester United last week Syd? Wasn't it on the internet or whatever you call it?}

Falcao - I haven't seen much of both to be honest but the few times a have seen Falcao I have said 'Wow' can't believe he is still with A. Madrid no disrespect intended.

Syd
So in short falcao

Jred

Clearly Falcao is leaps and bounds ahead of Lewandowski and pretty much any natural target man on the planet including RVP when it comes to putting the ball into the back of the net. He still has years at his peak and does not rely on pace so age wouldn't matter in years to come.

Sure, but then if you ask the next question, who would you prefer for wing and midfield? Rodriguez & Eriksen or Ince & Matic. 100% would want Rodriguez & Eriksen, but sadly Falcao has eaten up all of the funds so Ince & Matic will have to do.

Sydney!

Syd
Why not just stick to the op
Just to make it clear what people choose won't actually happen, this is just a banter site

Is this because people may pick falcao over your second man crush lewandowski

Are you really a 50+ year old man?

Shocking!

Sydney!

16 Apr 2013 16:48:07
Personally i'd prefer Lewandowski, he has the potential to be a better all round forward than Falcao. People keep saying we should get rid of Hernandez or Welbeck as they either don't have a good enough all round game or they aren't good enough infront of goal. Falcao is the best finisher in world football, so he's more similar (although much better) to Hernandez. Well Lewandowski has the ability of Welbeck and the finishing of Hernandez. Surely then its better to get a player who offers more than what we have rather than a player who just offers an upgrade to what we have.

Plus Falcao will cost 50m compared to the 20m Lewandowski would cost, plus his wages will be much higher, and Lewandowski would offer maybe 8 years of service at the highest level where as Falcao will offer maybe 5. So Lewandowski is the better investment money wise, longivity wise and all round footballing wise. Abit of a no brainer as long as you don't get seduced by the media love in for Falcao.

Jred if we all stick to short posts to answer the OPs then this page would get very boring, very quickly. There's nothing wrong with putting a bit more detail into a post, a touch more of an explanation. I know you of all people enjoy a mammoth post from time to time mate ;)

On the OP, I actually think that I would prefer watching Lewandowski next season. Falcao is a fantastic striker but I think Lewandowski's link up play would help us play the kind of football we all want to see next season and I would rather have a team that plays attractive football than one with a "big name" up front. As Sydney says getting Falcao is all well and good but it means nothing if we play some absolute guff and starve him of support as we have with RVP in the latter part of this season.

TK-Red

Shaps
I would have to disagree to be honest, my OP is just a bit of fun as I want to make this clear I think there is ZERO chance of us signing falcao
But as I said forgetting money etc the football fan in side of me we would rather watch falcao in a United shirt next season than lewandowski.

Also falcao imo would improve our first 11 more than lewandowski as a football fan I want to see the very best players in the world and that's why I would go for falcao

Just to make it clear I do not think there is any chance of us signing falcao

Shappy
With that argument I take it you would of taken lewandowski over rvp?

By the way I don't get seduced by the media love in, I watch a lot of football and come to my own opinions

16 Apr 2013 17:37:17
No because RvP was proven in the Prem which is what we need. Falcao has proven that he can be amazing in a less physical league I doubt the Prem would be an issue for him but he may take longer to adapt than Lewandowski who having played in the more physical Bundesliga would maybe take less time to adapt.

If were talking total fantasy then why stop at Falcao, we might as well get Ronaldo and Messi while were at it. Maybe Schwiensteiger and Vidal could join as well as Hummels and Alex Sandro then we could call ourselves the english galacticos.

For many reasons I would prefer Lewandowski, he would offer our team much more than Falcao who is a great goalscorer but as some poster has pointed out 12 of his 24 goals this season have come from the penalty spot than 5 of the remaining 12 came in one game that only leaves 7 goals scored in all his other games from open play, he has also chipped in with one assist which shows he doesn't bring other players into play. Compare that to Lewandowski who has 30 goals ( that's 6 more than Falcao) he also has 7 assist and is the better team player.

So for me Falcao is just a big name player to put the ball in the net where as Lewandowski offer much more to the team play of a team meaning we get to watch great attacking football.

Jred have you had a stinker of a day today or something? what's with the sudden urge to try and justify yourself?

TK-Red

Lewandowski by a country mile for me.

and with the funds left not spent of falcao. i'd take eriksen strootman and goetze.

ms85

16 Apr 2013 18:07:35
Did you know that Falcao has score 27 goals from 124 shot and Lewandowski has score 30 goals from 128 shots which means on average Lewandowski scores once in every 4. 2 shots and Falcao once in every 4. 5 shots making Lewandowski the slightly more clinical finisher. Lewandowski also completes 1. 8 dribbles a game compared to Falcao's 1 showing Lewandowski the more direct player. Lewandowski also has 7 assist and makes 1. 3 key passes a game compared to Falcao's 1 assist and 1 key pass a game which shows that Lewandowski is the better team player and involves his team mates more in the game. In fact the only stat in which Falcao out performs Lewandowski is pass completion with 78. 7 compared to Lewandowski's 71. 5 but this can be explained by the fact that Lewandowski makes more passes on average per game and that his passes more forward compared to Falcao making the safe pass more often. Plus Lewandowski has played 7 games more than Falcao so far this season so keeping his averages up over a longer period shows him to be the more consistant player. So Lewandowski has been the better player over the course of the season, the facts don't lie. This is why I would prefer him over Falcao, I prefer substance over a big name signing.

Shaps
Less physical league, he done ok playing for river plate and that's quite a physical league I would put it up there with the EPL
Also your numbers are wrong pal.
Falcao has scored 24 goals in the league 30 over all, lewandowski has scored 22 in the league 30 in total so the same amount although lew has played 41 games compared to falcao 34

Shappy
The best way to judge a player is by watching them all them stats mean nothing really as the players play in different teams with different styles.
I would love to see how many goals falcao would score in that dourtman team with reus gotze etc

I agree with Jred here. Falcao is an Aguero type striker which by the way I rate as the best in the pl when healthy.

Dortmund play a complete different style and hence the assists and goals, where AM play very different and on many occasions Falcao is upfront on his own doing a lot of dirty work and has several defenders draped all over him.

Falcao in a dortmund team could score 45 to 50 goals and I am not kidding. I am not big into stats as they are deceiving,

Rooney on stats alone looks like he has had a decent season but we all know that is not true, someone should check and see how many goals each team has scored this year and how each striker has contributed to that total tally.

There is a very good reason why one is valued at 50 mil and one will go for 25 mill even if he had a long term contract. All the football scouts and respective teams obviously see something there in each player to have the sort of valuations on them.

Shahram

16 Apr 2013 20:21:44
Your right about the Argentine league which is pretty physical, but he didn't score 30 goals then. And I only said it could make a differance not that it would.

I took the figues from Whoscored.com so maybe their figures are out.

I do watch them both, especially Dortmund. Falcao has that fear factor and is the more natural finisher but that's all he has. Imo Lewandowski offers more to us as a team and that's why I would prefer him.

Shaps
I see where your coming from and at the end of the day it's all about opinions but I just don't seem to rate lew as highly as others on the site.
His a good player and has scored 30 the last couple of seasons but I think that's what a good striker should be getting in that team.
I'm really impressed with Dortmund and the way they are set up it must be a dream to be a striker in that team, I'm not trying to take any thing away from lew but I agree with sharham imo falcao might get 50.
If I'm honest I think gotze and reus are better players where as I think falcao is the 3 rd best player in the world.
if I had the choice to watch falcao or lew I would go for falcao

Tk
Not sure what you mean pal, I always try to explain my point of view

16 Apr 2013 22:31:49
I dunno if Falcao would though. They set up to press high and keep the ball. Falcao is more of a counter attack striker rather than a player to hold up the ball and bring others into play.

You could argue that the way Lewandowski plays makes the time and space that Gotze and Reus to play at their best. You could argue that the way our strikers play has limited the impact that Kagawa has had. And if we had someone like Lewandowski in our team then Kagawa would have had a better impact.

To say that Lewandowski is made to look better because the way Dortmund play and the players they have could be looking at it backwards. The way they play is down to their players that includes Lewandowski, he is a key part of their attack and their first line of defence. Without him Dortmund would be a much poorer team.

But everyone is entitled to their opinions. For me he would improve our team more than Falcao even though Falcao is probably the better goal scorer. This season we haven't stuggled scoring goals but we have struggled with playing style. For me Lewandowski would improve our playing style where as Falcao wouldn't, and seeing as its our style that needs sorting and not scoring goals it seems a no brainer as to who we need most.

Snappy
R you joking falcao has played a large part of his football as a lone striker I think it's his best position holding the ball up and bringing others into play is a large part if his game.
And believe me gotze and Reus don't need lew to play at there best they play well with or with out him.
Watch lewandowski for Poland on the other hand he looks average
Look at gomez at Munich last year 41 goals the year before 39 good player but what a supply he got.
You say our style needs improved I don't think a striker can do that if they could rvp would off as he is also a much better player than lewandowski.
If u want to improve our style we need some cm, s and decent widemen

17 Apr 2013 00:39:36
Well with one assist in 34 games he isn't doing a very good job of bringing other players into the game is he. He is a focal point of attack, everything has to end up at his feet or head. Lewandowski on the other hand will pass to players such as Gotze and Reus and bring them into the game. Obviously having good players around you will help you, as has been shown when he plays for Poland. But then Gotze and Reus haven't played as well for Germany as they have for Dortmund. And their are much better players playing for Germany than there is for Poland.

The way I see it if Falcao was in the team everything will rest on him, as he works best as a lone striker and not with the rest of the team. But with Lewandowski in the team he would bring players like Kagawa and RvP into the game more and thus make them more dangerous players. He not only scores goals but he is the perfect foil for our other players to play off of. So he would increase their effect on the game thus making us a stronger unit and team. Something Falcao wouldn't imo.

Either way this doesn't seem like something me and you will agree on. So maybe this disscussion is best left here.

Shappy

Take a look at kagawa's stats from last year while at Dortmund compared to this year. Their set up and style of play produces a lot of assists and goals.

Falcao on many occasions is on his own and does not have the link up play.

I bet the Sociadad and Athletico games pretty much every week unless the odds are stupid. I watch almost all their games. Falcao in a fluent and dynamic midfield, would be deadly but that is not Athletico's style at all.
Shahram

Shaps
I think you may be getting caught up in stats a bit to much, assist can be for free kicks or corners etc, a player can link play up and bring others in to the game with out creating an assist.
Also a player could have a great game make chance after chance but if a team mate doesn't put the ball in the net it won't be an assist.

Been a good discussion though a bit pointless as I don't think we will sign either player

16 Apr 2013 12:01:23
Ed, the banter page is looking exactly like banter 2, no agrees or disagrees and sich stuff. I don't know if it's because i'm surfing on my phone but it doesn't look like it's a mobile version of the page.

Is the change permanent?

Mick {Ed002's Note - Yes, the buttons are gone.}

Wooohoooo. Now if someone disagrees strongly enough they have to actually construct a sentence.

TK-Red

16 Apr 2013 11:20:09
Let me state right now that I believe that PSG are not slightly interested in the Spud faced nipper and that this is just a ploy by his people and United to give him a new deal. If he had just signed a new deal supporters would be saying what has he done to deserve this and is he taking a pay cut. But by putting this story out there, supporter will panic that he is leaving and then feel relieved when he signs a new deal. Its just spin. You know I would love to see the back of him but I don't believe Rooney is going anywhere. I think we will see a new deal signed soon. Makes you feel a little dirty doesn't it

You have a vivid imagination. you shoudl write a childrens book

16 Apr 2013 11:41:59
Why would PSG want to play games like that?
Paulo

16 Apr 2013 12:05:56
Its a double edged sword imo. On one hand we'd be risking to lose Rooney, but on the other hand PSG's interest woukd allow us to get rid of him.

Depends what Fergy wants to do. If he wants Rooney to atay, he has to give him a new possibly improved contract because of PSG's interest, but if he sees Rooney as no longuer essential to the team, PSG's interest is a sure way of selling him for good money before he runs out his contract.

Mick

KLOOT,

I agree mate, I believe this is an agent (Rooney's) to get a new deal in the works. Perhaps there is some jittery knees in that he may feel he isn't in SAF future plans. This has caused his agents to start these stories just to get a deal rolling along.

Whether or not you want him gone varies in the opinions of people but I do agree its an agent driven rumour.

ussoldier77

KLOOT,

I agree mate, I believe this is an agent (Rooney's) to get a new deal in the works. Perhaps there is some jittery knees in that he may feel he isn't in SAF future plans. This has caused his agents to start these stories just to get a deal rolling along.

Whether or not you want him gone varies in the opinions of people but I do agree its an agent driven rumour.

ussoldier77

KLOOT,

I agree mate, I believe this is an agent (Rooney's) to get a new deal in the works. Perhaps there is some jittery knees in that he may feel he isn't in SAF future plans. This has caused his agents to start these stories just to get a deal rolling along.

Whether or not you want him gone varies in the opinions of people but I do agree its an agent driven rumour.

ussoldier77

Maybe, maybe not.

You are fixated though.

He will either sign for us, or leave.

Whatever happens, it will be all over the papers, much of which will be fictional.

Let's just see what happens eh?

Or you could just keep fabricating stories that help prove your premedidated viewpoint.

Hence, Kloot is already trotting out the propoganda - it's April 16th and Rooney/his agent are already up to their old tricks!

Just sit back, stay open minded and enjoy the summer guys :)

HBadger

Kloot you are reading way too much into this stuff. I think it is what it is, his agent wants to know where they stand with the club as there obviously some interest elsewhere but I believe he wants an extension as he might find it difficult in another country. Remember he is the big fish in the pond where as at PSG that will not be true as they are putting together some incredible squad and he will not be the focal point.

The real question is what are the clubs intentions and this will all play out depending on our summer activity. Expect this to be a highly publicized and dragged out process in the summer with no quick outcome.

Shahram

16 Apr 2013 09:44:25
Just my opinion on what the transfers should be in the summer.

Ins:
falcao - 40-45M
James Rodriguez - 30M
Wanyama - 10-20M
Strootman - 10-15M
Zaha 10M

Out:
Ferdinand - Free?
Macheda - 2M
Bebe - 2M
Scholes - Retire
Flecther - Retire (can't see him over coming this illness and if he did return he wouldn't be united standard. )
Nani - 15-20M
Rooney - 25-35M
Hernandez 20M (too good to sit on our bench, if Atletico did come in for him I could see him pushing for the transfer, and if we had Falcao, welbeck and RVP up there with rodriguez and kagawa who can both play in the hole I can't see where he will fit in. )

If both rooney and hernandez where to go, that would leave us with falco and rvp?
Imo we wouldn't sell them both!
1993 {Ed004's Note - Welbeck and Kagawa}

16 Apr 2013 08:45:19
If we wrap the title early and have games in hand, do you think SAF might play some youngsters or try playing expansive football trying some new formations?
In case of former being true, who do you think deserves or will be given the chance for first team action?

I'd expect to see Powell, Lingard and Blackett. Maybe the bench for Tunnicliffe and Janujaz. A taster likely for Daehli too.

Usually, I would expect him to put out strong teams as it would be unfair to some of the teams fighting for survival. the only good thing is most of the teams we have in the last 3 games are already safe and no chance of getting in Europe.

Shahram

Scholes will probably play every game once we have won the title, Lindegaard too. I don't see too many young players to be involved, we will be putting players in the shop window like Nani, Lindegaard, maybe Hernandez, Anderson etc.

Think if he is in with a chance of taking Chelski's points record he will continue to field his strongest eleven

If we can sew the title up early then I would expect much of the same selection wise with maybe a couple of changes each game so certain players qualify automatically for a medal without having to apply.

TK-Red

If we can sew the title up early then I would expect much of the same selection wise with maybe a couple of changes each game so certain players qualify automatically for a medal without having to apply.

TK-Red

16 Apr 2013 08:33:47
Loving the slight changes to the site ED's, keep up the good work

16 Apr 2013 00:12:55
PS - GDS, I sincerely thank you for being ever supportive of the players and never jumping on the bandwagon that some of the hate for the players creates. Your positivity is as good as it is rare.

--------

Deeps,

Not sure how I came into this, just reading down and I see my name. Thanks for the compliment. To be honest during the games I am up and down slagging the players off if they mess up then next minute praising them if they do something good.

I have always said it like this, I support Manchester United because that's the way I have been brought up, I didn't have a choice and I feel lucky to have been alive at a time we have dominated English football. To me winning the league this season is just as good as winning it any other time, people saying its been a rubbish year are being ridiculous. Would they prefer we dropped 12 points just so the league was closer? I will be celebrating like my city mates celebrated last year if and when we win this league title.

I also support united as a hobby, I enjoy doing it, if I didn't I wouldn't spend £900 on a season ticket and risk arguments with my partner to go to as many games as possible. So why watch and spend the whole time moaning and not enjoying it. There are a lot of people on here I don't understand why they support the club, because they don't enjoy it, they take great pleasure in slagging the team off during games, then (like after the derby, the first loss in 6 months) saying the whole team needs to be sold, fergie needs to retire, it's ridiculous.

Fingers crossed we get the points we need in the next few weeks, last May was the worst feeling in football when aguero scored that goal, I want to feel the exact opposite the moment we win the title. Come on you reds!

Yeah mate, think its about keeping a balanced perspective. Knee jerk reactions are way too common here. Very few like Jono/Jred/Syd etc IMO conjure some kind of constructive criticism. Like you, I just feel lucky I can watch United. Trust me with work life being close to sh!te, can't wait for weekends to catch up with something I really love. Yet people moan, cringe and talk crap about players. Its amazing the "love" for Michael Carrick we see on here these days, remember those "Car-sick" days on the forum. This is what baffles me. By any stretch of imagination, this is the first season where Wayne has underwhelmed ( not by the stats though), but people come up with statements like "I am/was right about Wayne Rooney". Really? Is it the same fellow who has scored 200 goals and is 4th all time highest goal scorer. I just can't understand the support that comes with slagging our players off after every average/poor peformance. Wait, so are we consistently brilliant in our day to day jobs? Do we have our off days?

Saying that, yes I would want the team to invest, yes I would want the swagger and exberance back. But I will bide my time and wait. I love the club and will love it even if its an Arsenal like silverware drought!

Deeps.

16 Apr 2013 13:41:23
agreed. There are players that we don't like or think should be sold but on that pitch in a red shirt they should be backed. MrE

If it helps I said I wasn't a Carrick fan then and I'm still not a fan. He is still prone to dither on the ball and has even this season cost us in games.

I can go on to elucidate more but just wanted to say we aren't all so fickle! ;-)

Red Bear