Manchester United Banter Archive April 16 2015

 

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16 Apr 2015 16:27:58
Probably a bit of match of the day fever.

Anyhow have we any interest in Jackson martinez?

Cheers

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17 Apr 2015 10:01:17
Columbian Darren bent imo

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17 Apr 2015 15:21:57
That's falcao your thinking of Chris!

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17 Apr 2015 18:00:48
No it's Martinez

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16 Apr 2015 17:57:42
I'm interested in this talk of potentially ousting LvG on the basis that there might be some good managers available this summer. Those who think we should how do you propose we sell the club to these good managers?

How do you expect us to be able to sell the job to someone if we have just fired a manager who has done a good job and achieved all his targets?

What do we say? "we want you in charge as we feel you could do an excellent job and achieve all we ask of you, oh but even if you do we will sack you if a the new flavour of the month becomes available".

Don't think that will go down well. Also we are forgetting the fact that just because a manager has fitted well at one club and has had success that doesn't mean he will have that same success at our club. When names like Klopp and Simeone get banded about despite the fact they have only had success at clubs they have a close affinity with seems lost on many. Pep has done very well at only two clubs and he became manager at both those clubs while they were already thee top club in their countries and arguable in Europe. So who is to say how he would cope with rebuilding a huge club(I'm not saying I don't think he could do it, just that he has no proven track record so would still be some what of a gamble).

LvG needs to stay in charge at least for another season and probably until the end of his contract, he needs to be allowed to rebuild the club and the team so that we can pick the next manager and not make a rush decision. The next appointment will be key. And we need to make sure the next guy is the right one but most importantly at the right time.

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16 Apr 2015 18:30:08
Totally agree shappy. Simione had taken athletico from champions to a distant 3rd. Klopp has done worse. blanc is struggling to win their league with a budget miles above lyon. Anchelotti has not won spanish league with biggest budget and great players so why some think they are great long term solutions for our club is odd. Only klopp had decent longevity at his club from that group and his last success was over 3 years ago. Pep had done worse than his predecessor despite spending millions. So I'm not sure any of those are better options than lvg at this time. But I suppose he won't be here for too many years but none of the above stay in 1 place for too long either so what is long term nowadays for a club manager?

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16 Apr 2015 19:04:50
While I tend to agree shap,I don't think it would be a hard sell at all. We are Manchester United, it sells itself in a way, regardless of previous, if u trust your ability u would take it.

If the board had a longer term manager in mind when appointing LVG when he left and he becomes available this summer it's tricky.

Imo we should stick with Louis and let him build us back up again. When the time comes to change again hopefully there will be a few good coaches going.

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16 Apr 2015 19:36:06
Totally agree Shappy.
We got rid of Moyes rightly so because we were doing so badly and he had lost the dressing room.
But I don't think we will start firing managers willy nilly just because the latest flavour of the month becomes available, well I certainly hope not.
Give Van Gaal his 3 years, I'm sure he will leave us in a good position with a good young squad and hopefully as champions.
Then it will be a great job to take over and I think we will have all the top managers interested.

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16 Apr 2015 20:00:50
Real madrid have been doing that to managers for years yet they have no problem enticing top managers. Although I'm not saying I favour this routine stability is what is needed on and off the pitch

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16 Apr 2015 20:00:52
I appreciate many people want LVG to be given time to sort everything out and if the evidence of the past month is anything to go buy I am not as traumatised by that thought as I once was.

However - we had a lot longer to prepare for the SAF successor and that was a disaster. What makes any of you think that the next handover will be any better (handovers in any walk of life are difficult)? Surely if the long term target is available this summer we need to act.

LVG was dicing with death a month ago, he doesn't love the club like SAF does. So what makes you think he is too bothered about leaving something plyable for his successor? He will do what is best for him, so we should so what is best for the club.

Any manager coming in will need to apply their own changes as it won't be LVG's dopple ganger 30 years younger that we appoint. If we wait we could be left regretting it, but on the flip side we can go after the right man even if they move this summer to a competitor, we have the cash and I'm not too concerned as most managers are fickle as many of you have said. Just like the players we would be stupid to think any manager would manage us for longer than 5 years. Much of a muchness now, I'm happy to watch the fireworks of this summer and enjoy it.

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16 Apr 2015 21:11:21
I agree witb the basis of what you say Shappy, its wrong to just sake a manager because you don't wanna lose out on another. But with LVG's previous track record of falling out with people which in turn has affected the duration of his management of some clubs I feel like it is only a matter of time before a clash like that occurs again.

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16 Apr 2015 21:15:30
Beast, as it will be LvG's last job in football I suspect he'll want it to go well. It is what people will remember him by.

If your looking for LvG's dopple ganger just 30 years younger then look no further than Pep, not only is he a pupil of LvG's ideas and philosophy but he has even followed his career path by managing at the same clubs. Pep could be a good option to follow LvG, but not this summer, as i've already said he does better tweaking an already largely successful team rather than rebuilding one. LvG needs another year or two before the team would be in an ideal position for Pep. Fortunately Pep won't be leaving Bayern for at least another year or two, and even if he did. I could see him having another subatical until the job he wanted became available.

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16 Apr 2015 21:26:19
100%agree shappy I expect pep to take over within the next 2-3 years he's said in the past he would manage us.

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16 Apr 2015 21:55:50
Love how some people are not bothered about whether van Gaal is manager next season or not , we're obviously just as fickle Madrid fans now .

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16 Apr 2015 22:03:46
Personally think Lvg may stay longer than we expect if all goes well. As Shappy says this is his last job so why be in a rush to finish if you are enjoying.it and all going well.
I also think he will build a team, club and try to leave that dirty word philosophy for the next incumbent. he has,done it before.

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16 Apr 2015 22:35:34
I agree Brad , if things are going well wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Van Gaal still manager in four or five years

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16 Apr 2015 22:37:12
I don't give a crap what managers are being hawked around this summer, unless the team stops progressing under van Gaal, or his position becomes untenable for some other reason, he should keep his job until he decides to leave.

It's one thing sacking a manager who isn't performing, but to talk about sacking a manger who has started to make important progress because a younger manger might do a slightly better job in the long term is dumb dumb dumb

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16 Apr 2015 23:12:35
Let's just keep in mind that yes LVG has done a good job lately but there have been behind the scenes disharmony amongst the board the members all season apparently. As far as selling the club goes just look at Real Madrid and how they operate.

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16 Apr 2015 23:25:58
What behind the scenes disharmony ?

With the way modern media is , if there was any major disharmony at board level it would have been all over the papers

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17 Apr 2015 04:32:59
what a load of rubbish shappy.
we would have no trouble selling the club to any manager .
united is one of the biggest jobs out there and that won't change if we sack lvg

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17 Apr 2015 07:18:33
Ed002 has told us many times about it Bilko or is he just talking BS?

1,000,000,000,000 per cent agree JRed.

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17 Apr 2015 08:56:41
I agree with Shappy's OP but then I said that months ago when the wolf pack lead by Beast and co would pounce and try everything to denounce it even becoming personal to make their point.

We need to put a smooth transition into place , identify LVG's successor now, work towards putting the building blocks in place to make it a seamless change, totally the opposite of what we did at the end of SAF's reign.

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17 Apr 2015 09:13:31
jred + JMB,

If you both think we will have no trouble selling the club to any manager then surely there is no reason to get rid of the manager now to bring in the next big thing, they will still be willing to come to us when LVG leaves in 2-3-4 years time.

Ed002 said he had upset one member of the board, that is not 'disharmony amongst the board members all season', feels a little like you are looking for negatives where you can now you can't find any on the pitch, but that surely wouldn't be the case would it?

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17 Apr 2015 09:49:36
LVG must stay! 100% sure of that.
Having said that, changing him won't be problematic. Look at chelsea for example!

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17 Apr 2015 09:54:32
Why would United sack van Gaal at this moment in time? Why would fans want that? The team is playing well and look how together they are.
Van Gaal may not "love" United like Fergie but he loves the game and his reputation within it. United will be his last club and he wants to win trophies.
Changing managers again so soon would be a bad thing. The team is really starting to gel and enjoy playing the game.
I love Klopp. To think of him at another club is a bit gutting but he is still relatively young.So is Pep. United will always be a challenge for the best managers. Let's treat them right and get the best out of them when they come here.

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17 Apr 2015 10:46:51
You have to laugh.

Didn't the likes of Beast and Jmb say they would give LvG credit and support if he got the right results and improve performance? So he does that and they still want him sacked?

None of those managers would guarantee success, most of them have never managed in the EPL for a start.

As I said previously, the grass is always greener. For some at least.

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17 Apr 2015 13:11:13
HB did I say I want him sacked? I said the board should consider it should a more suitable candidate come along.

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17 Apr 2015 14:00:30
But there's no guarantee that anyone would turn out to be a more suitable candidate? There are no guarantees and things are currently going well so why risk it.

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16 Apr 2015 16:33:29
If the reports are true, Hummels, Clyne and Depay for £70 million.
Add Khedira and Ings who will both be available on a free and that'll be a great summer.

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16 Apr 2015 18:20:06
ings is not united quality why people keep suggesting it is beyond me.

he has done nothing to warrent a move to united

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16 Apr 2015 20:56:48
. He could be a very good PL striker. He's got 9 goals with a struggling team, probably be in double figures before the season ends. Why people would rather a Dybala or Icardi is beyond me. Or even still, we could bang £50illion on a Cavani or Benzema.

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16 Apr 2015 22:05:20
The question for me is could he do a job as rotation with Wilson. be groomed over the next 12/18 months to step up. I like him and at a low fee and wages he is worth a look.

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16 Apr 2015 22:26:02
I think he's definitely worth a look. Why go and spend 30 + million on a young Argentinian, who for all we know could turn out the next Lamela, when you could take a young English striker. He's proved he can get goals in the PL. Put him in this United team and see what he can do. That goes for Wilson too.

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17 Apr 2015 00:34:00
he has 9 goals hardly proved he can get goals regardless of what team he plays for, he's had plenty of chances to score more and hasnt,

and i would rather we go and spend on a proven world class striker, we proberly going to have only rooney as a regonised ST come the summer, wilson isn't good enough yet to be considered back up.

so we would defiently need to go and get a top st to compete with rooney

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17 Apr 2015 06:21:54
The problem being spb who are these world class strikers ? We all watch the same players so we all know is is class and not one of them is available .
we thought we were getting possibly the very best in Falcao and that hasn't worked out to well has it? I think Ings on a free with relatively low wages is a complete no brainer knows the league,knows the country and would accept that he isn't an instant starter.

The want for exotic names from players who have barely proved themselves in thier own leagues let alone a foreign one baffles me.

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17 Apr 2015 07:20:18
Ings would have twenty goals in Serie A this season. If his name was Danny Ingadinho and was Brazillian he would be far more appealing to SPB.

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17 Apr 2015 09:27:54
That's my point regarding Dybala or Icardi JMB. I don't understand why we can't have young English players who have already played in the league, signing for us. If people had a choice between Harry Kane and a young Argie or Brazilian, I bet they'd go for the latter just because they're more exotic sounding.

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16 Apr 2015 15:28:23
Hey Edd's, arsenal are looking to tie up a deal for Dybala? Surely we should be getting in there to outbid them? If not, we best get either Icardi or vietto? 3 very good 'young' talents? Get Rojo involved? He loves us!

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16 Apr 2015 14:54:50
Just to change the subject for a moment. The Liverpool end of season player of the year award has a campaign currently being hijacked by Manchester United supporters to vote for Mario Balotelli as their player of the year. I've just submitted my vote. Would be amusing to witness the scouse fans look on as he scoops the award if it happens. Apparently he's gaining a lot of momentum.

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16 Apr 2015 15:20:29
Even if he does end up getting the most votes I don't think they will give him the award.

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16 Apr 2015 16:27:17
I believe someone set up a bot that is currently set to run 10 million times to vote for Balotelli. The guy who set it up said the only real bit of validation was to check if the email had been already used, so he added a function to generate random email addresses with each submission. Dedication to the Hijack. Great bit of fun

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16 Apr 2015 12:00:54
The rumour mill suggests that we are looking at Clyne, Hummels and Depay to come in.

Do the Ed's feel this is still the case with Young and Valencia doing well towards the end of the season?

I feel the 3 would be great additions to the squad but would also like to see the two Brazilians, Nathan and Kenedy, added also, great potential in them.

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{Ed004's Note - Firstly the youngster Nathan is signing for Chelsea I think and never heard of Kennedy. Think there is a good chance the three players you mention have been looked at by the club and I expect a right back, centre back and winger to probably be signed this summer as well as a centre mid}

16 Apr 2015 14:21:41
Would you have Strootman as favorite for the center mid position?

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{Ed004's Note - No I don't think we will go near him. I don't have a clue who we are targeting for midfield. Hopefully one of Pogba, Gundogan, Vidal, Schneiderlin, Verratti, De Bruyne or Modric}

16 Apr 2015 15:21:46
I think Ed002 has said we have no chance of Pogba or Modric

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{Ed004's Note - I don't think we have a chance with either of them as well}

16 Apr 2015 12:57:44
As well as LVG has done over the past 2 months, hypothetically if this chain reaction of events regarding Managers at top European clubs moving onto pastures new does take place should the board be ruthless and cash in on their chips to ensure we don't miss out on a Klopp, Guardiola, De Boer, Conte, Ancelotti, Simeone etc?

A major worry for me is if LVG does very well and we don't get the right guy in afterwards we begin to implode like the post Fergie era. I personally would prefer implementing a contingency plan of having a long term manager in place as soon as possible at the moment. This isn't a dig at LVG just my own personal logic and preference.

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16 Apr 2015 13:41:54
I think it is a good job that we have improved over the last 4 weeks so that we are hopefully not involved in the ridiculous merry go round that could happen and the press are not jumping all over LVG. Having a steady manager who knows who he wants and with perfect preparation with players he knows is important for us next season in my opinion, and will be the reason why we challenge.

LVG will leave the club in a much better position than SAF left us in, we will hopefully have a younger team with top quality players rather than players who may or may not make it.

I do understand the idea of not letting 'the one' get away, but you have named 6 managers there, and I am sure one of them will be available (or the 'next best thing' will have come along) by the time LVG leaves the club.

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16 Apr 2015 13:50:00
LVG is our second manager since Fergie in two seasons and you think it would be a good idea to change again when the team is going well , just to bring in the latest flavour of the month manager

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16 Apr 2015 13:51:42
I actually agree with you. I would love another long term manager and going on previous terms LVG doesn't stay in one place for more than a few (2-3) years. His longest spell was back in the early 90's with Ajax lasting 6 years.

He has done well recently, getting the team to play well and ensuring we get CL football next season. Which I am very grateful for.

I would love Simeone, or Guardiola, both fantastic man managers and seem to get the best out of their players. Dortmunds season has made me doubt Klopps ability at times which is why Simeone and Guardiola are my two dream managers at this current time.

To answer your original question. I think the board should trade up and get a new manager in. LVG usually falls out with big players often and the longer he spends at a club the chances of him falling out with someone will only increase. If we missed out on a potential manager next season by sticking with LVG only to have him leave, we would be screwed as other candidates would have gone to other clubs. Which is why I would take the gamble if either Guardiola or Simeone were available.

Who ever takes over, I'd still love to see Giggs as Assistant Manager. He brings a lot to the role particularly for managers who are new to the English League.

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16 Apr 2015 13:51:56
Imo we have got the best man for the job already in place. As gds said and I agree in 2 or 3 years time we will have our choice of who is best at that time as I believe lvg will be leaving us as champs.

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16 Apr 2015 14:39:07
why would bayern get rid of pep? because they lost 1 game against a very difficult porto side?

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16 Apr 2015 14:52:33
GDS how can you be so sure LVG will leave the club in such good shape? He has a history of leaving clubs in the midst of turmoil and upsetting the dressing room. Like you I would agree after our recent run he has earned the right to lead us next season but I am talking about exceptional circumstances. For instance say Pep goes to City and Klopp to Liverpool and both have major success. Would we be kicking ourselves in the future?

JaMAX I think we are pretty much on the same wave length here. No one is saying LVG hasn't done a decent job under the circumstances but if this merry go round of managers does occur we could potentially lose out on a new sparkling era.

SPD we are taking in a hypothetical scenario as it has been mentioned that someone is trying orchestrate changes at major clubs. As well as that Pep is his own man if he wants to move on personally then he will.

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16 Apr 2015 15:11:36
1. We have every chance of a sparkling new era under LVG
2. No guarantee Pep , Simeone , Klopp , etc will stay longer than a few seasons anyway .

This dreaming of another Fergie coming in and spending decades as manager is what brought us Moyes on a six year contract . Chances are we could have a new manager every few years from now on .

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16 Apr 2015 15:16:14
I personally would like to see LVG finish what he started, and to oust a manager that has done what you ask from him is bonkers.
If Pep left he would be another manager that sticks around for a few years and moves on so why would we want him? Plus he goes to sides that LVG has built and for me he's unproven when teams are need of major rebuilding. I like Simeone, Klopp and others but LVG has earnt at least a 2nd season.

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16 Apr 2015 15:19:46
JMB and what is Klopp and Ancelootti fail at a Liverpool or City? Would we kick ourselves that we got rid of LVG just when the tide was turning. You can see our squad love playing for him and in this system, it's all clicking into place so why now change it? There will always be managers available to Manchester United .

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16 Apr 2015 15:32:33
Would rather keep what we have for now and keep up the momentum. Do the likes of Klopp guarantee success anyway? I don't see why in a new league. Do long term managers exist these days and going forward? What if klopp wanted to change things and had us in 4th again next season or even worse?

The grass is always greener.

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16 Apr 2015 15:36:38
Side note

Last year everyone wanted Klopp now Simeone seems to have overtaken him due to relative successes in recent seasons. What's to say Simeone doesn't have a stinker next season? Would his playing style work at united? Does the way he sets up a team tie into the mantra of a top club that's expected to win every game or is he perfect as an underdog manager?

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16 Apr 2015 16:52:37
I'm not even sure that Simeone even speaks English? That would be a problem straight away just like Bielsa.

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16 Apr 2015 11:25:36
This will be a very interesting summer for a variety of reasons
I believe PSG, Real, Dortmund, City, Liverpool and perhaps Bayern (although unlikely) will be all be looking to appoint a new maager.
Reus, Hummels, Bale Isco, Falcao, Pogba, Vidal, Pedro, Gundogan, Cavanni, RVP, oh yeah and balotelli are just some of the big names that will likely move clubs so It wil be some merrygoround this summer. i'm looking forward o seeng how it pans out

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16 Apr 2015 11:12:10
Looking into chelsea game, I am really worried about blind . Willian is a pacey player and will trouble blind if he is left alone . Young has been supporting blind for all the games and hope this continues as in derby blind was easily outpaced by navas couple of times in first 20 mins . Blind is a very good player but one small mistake from him can turn into a goal concede . So if anyway he struggles in the match i woild prefer shaw to replace him and if he as usual uses his brain to outplay his opponent then it would be best

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16 Apr 2015 12:02:05
I guess Townsend, Sterling, Navas belong to the tortoise family then?

Yes Navas outpaced him once in ths first 10 mins but I think blind has done exceptionally well in the LB role in the past few games against some really quick players.

I would go with the same 11 as earlier game and see how it pans out before making changes.

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16 Apr 2015 12:05:11
Willian us no quicker than Townsend, Sterling or Navas and he coped fine then mate.

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16 Apr 2015 12:07:52
Townsend, Sterling and Navas aren't slow and Blind has had to face each of them at some point during the last few games. He's done very well. While Young has been there to support, Blind reads the game better than pretty much anyone else in our squad apart from Carrick and that's where he gets the better of quicker players.

It's also no guarantee Mourinho will play Willian as he will likely set up not to lose to us rather than go all out for the win. As Neville and Carragher pointed out the other night, our strongest area has been down the left and Mourinho will look to do something to stop us playing there.

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16 Apr 2015 12:14:47
Stop doubting Blind at LB for a lame reason. He's been the best LB in the league since he's played there.

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16 Apr 2015 12:15:36
I think Jose will be more concerned about Ivanovic getting burned by Young, we may even see Ramires on the Chelsea right to help out defensively.

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16 Apr 2015 12:16:47
You shouldn't worry about Willian, mate :)
For those of you that don't know, I'm a Chelsea fan. And I can assure you that Willian hardly tries to take on any defender when he's out on the wing. So don't worry about Blind.

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16 Apr 2015 13:09:32
And also, JMB, surely you don't really believe that Blind's been the best left back when he's started in that position? He's definitely not bad, but I feel that Azpi and Bertrand are better (possibly others as well but I haven't consistently seen other teams play) :)

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16 Apr 2015 13:15:10
Apparently Mourinho is planning to play Matic and Zouma in CM to counter Fellaini.

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16 Apr 2015 13:34:43
Jackson for the last few gmaes I have seen him play at left back he has not put a foot wrong and when you consider the teams we have played Spurs, Liverpool and City I think he has played extraordinary mate.

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16 Apr 2015 13:54:18
I am more worried about Hazard on Valencia. All Hazard has to do is cut in and Valencia is screwed, He can't tackle with his left foot at all and Mata is not much help defensively so I think Chelsea's Left side is the most dangerous.

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16 Apr 2015 15:08:04
Fair enough, JMB, but I'd still easily put Azpi above Blind :)
That said, I don't expect us to find much joy down your left side on Saturday. Willian and Ivanovic will have their work cut out for them with Blind and Young both defending and attacking.

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16 Apr 2015 16:33:35
I am not saying that blind will get easily outpaced but saying that a simple mistake can make to a terrible goal . He is a very good player and thinks before he puts it into action but Chelsea are a tough team and Mourinho is great tactician so he surely must have some plans to use pace against our defenders . Hopefully LVG will have better game plan to nullify there threat and make our left flang even more scarier. Blind if as usual does everything right then it would be superb or else we may need to change after may be half time .

And to reply JaMax!
To be honest i am worried about valencia also as he is too one dimensional and would have busy time against Hazard. But again as he and smalling are in great form , Smalling will definitely help to secure to right defence

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