Manchester United Banter Archive June 16 2013

16 Jun 2013 23:38:53
Just wondering, why do people not speak of Soldado in the same breath as players such as Cavani and other top strikers? Players like Cavani aren't well proven outside of their own leagues but are highly rated. Soldado's stats are just as good, but he is never mentioned. This is not match of the day fever, and I have not said I want him to sign at any point in this post. Given that he is currently on TV though I thought that I would ask the question to see what some of you think!

It's clearly MOTD fever because you wouldn't have wrote this post if he didn't play and score.

Back off no name. if fresh has checked the stats then its a perfectly good question

can't say I known the answer though

Andrew b

No it isn't! I admit he was brought to mind because he was on the TV. But it is not match of the day fever as I am not hailing him as our saviour.

If I see a player on telly who doesn't get a mention very often plays well and scores a good goal I'd be lieing if I say it wasn't MOTD fever.

Think spurs are hugely linked with him?

16 Jun 2013 20:53:43
Are Ngiak and Gan Siamese twins? and Gan only has control of the fingers?

I don't think anyone has any control of their fingers when it comes to the posts. They are totally incomprehensible, are they meant to be funny? I really do not get it.

Ngiak is Gan's pet penguin.
Ngiak can't post himself because penguins can't use computers, it's common sense really ;-)

Ngiak presents the voice of reason award to mr aviddevil!
gan

16 Jun 2013 20:02:53
Evening Edd, do you see us investing in some youth this summer along with some big signings? {Ed004's Note - Yes}

16 Jun 2013 19:35:21
Hi all i'm a rangers fan from scotland, i'm just back from orlando yesterday. Whilst I was there I bumped into gareth bale in a restuarant. Had a little chat woth him and got photos. top lad! I mentioned real madrid to him and he hinted Manchester United would be his likely destination.

I doubt he would of discussed his future.

Why not upload these 'photos' to the sightings page?

16 Jun 2013 19:07:50
Some posters made good points earlier about Zidane and Real's atrocious behaviour trying to publicly woo players from other teams. ZZ is the greatest player of the modern era for me but this tapping up stuff for/by Real totally stinks. They have no grace.

However, whichever way we look at it now, United are way behind 'the game' when it comes to getting the best players. Is that rightly (moral high ground) or wrongly (don't want to splash the cash, lack of pulling power for the marquee names, always seeming too bloody slow to move etc)? Interested to hear your thoughts lads.

Rave

3 letters, R V P.

Yes RVP and look at the players we have missed out on

5 letters person
ARB

Predictable response. Agree RVP was a cracking signing of a top drawer player, but it wasn't a hugely competitive transfer race, just us and City, luckily he chose rightly for us and himself!

However, the issue is NOT around our ability to sign British-based players (including foreign) as we still have the biggest pull. It's our ability to sign the Continental, South American guys etc, which the other European giants want, where I feel we often fall short.

But we always have struggled to pull them players in, that isn't something that has changed recently. We don't have the ridiculous wages available like city to be able to convince people to move to 'sunny Manchester' for a few years and get the big pay cheque. We also want players at united who want to be here and want to play for the club.

How is RVP 5 letters?

GDS I think they were trying to spell a certain word but it got filtered.

ZZ sold out when he backed Qatar for the world cup (£££££££££££)

dont care what he has to say tbh. Madrids presidential rubbish always brings their arrogance out!

ms85

Some players might come as it is united, but most go to clubs where they can have success and earn big money. If we want the top players to match our top club, then we have to pay top dollar. Like we did with rvp!
Nomidfield

16 Jun 2013 18:13:56
Hi guys and eds, I read this page everyday and absolutely love it. I was just wondering who was everyone's worse memory of a player who got away, mine was Ronaldinho!
Keep up the good work and banter!
Jase

Alan shearer


Tucker

There are 2 for me and 1 won't be popular. The 1st is Linekar who allegedly wanted to come to United. The other is Shearer. He is a total knob but imagine how successful he would have been at United. His loss

I could never say we missed out with Ronaldinho as, had we signed him, it is highly unlikely we would've signed Ronaldo IMO.

TK-Red

16 jun 2013 19:00:28
gazza would have been a red legend
bigal redforever

16 Jun 2013 19:15:55
Batistuta and Ronaldihno

Moura, Pastore, Sanchez, Ronaldhino, Gattuso, Davids, Batistuta. I think every summer we seem to get heavily linked with my dream muppet signing and it nevers happens. My muppet signing this summer isn't Bale or Ronaldo, its Thiago so i'm not confident of us signing him with such a broken muppet history. As a poster said though, some of the signings we have missed out on have led to fantastic replacements, my most memorablewe were linked with and I was excited about was David Hirst coming to us, was a player in red hot form then he got injured. we ended up instead making a surprise signing that didn't seem great to me at the time. Eric Cantona
Invisible STuey

Got to be gazza I think fergy could of made him in to something very special
Jred

Gazza, Ronaldinho & Shearer in that order.

Sydney!

Ronaldinho. But we must remember that if we had signed him it was likely that Ronaldo would have gone to arsenal. Now that's a tough call. -KG

Maldini.

REDFAITH

16 Jun 2013 17:16:43
Do you know if there is any interest from Manchester United in draxler from schalke? Also how many sigings do you think there we be this season? As fergie only use to have 2-3 a year but with possibly baines garay strootman thiago a left winger and lewandowski that's quite a few?

Cheers
Jple23

Incomings will be dependent on outgoings. For example, unless Evra is sold we will not sign Baines. Unless Nani is sold we will not sign a LW, unless Anderson is sold we will not sign more than one midfielder. Unless Rooney is sold we probably will not sign Lew. MU fans need to pray that we will be able to offload players this summer or we will struggle to bring in more than a couple players.

Sydney! {Ed004's Note - Do you reckon that is to do with the wage bill and squad numbers ie 25 man squad or because we need to raise funds for transfers though}

We won't sell evra unless we buy a lb we won't sell nani unless we buy a lw we won't sell Anderson unless we buy a cm we won't sell Rooney unless we buy a forward

We do seem to ignore the squad size issue as we dream our way through summer.
Any one can point out the specific rules i. e. squad size, under 21 players UK players etc?

Ed004, last summer we struggled to offload players and two went out on loan (Bebe/Kiko), Nani & Anderson stayed and contributed little and we lost Berbatov for a pittance. Unless we shift players on we will simply have too many salaries on the wage bill and little space to fit new players into the squad. Receiving fees for players and them off the wage bill will loosen the purse strings for sure.

If Nani and Co force a stay, it will be at the expense of signings.

Sydney!

16 Jun 2013 16:17:34
United need two central midfielders and they should sigh both alcantra and marchisio. Plus we need a winger that can replace nani which for me should ideally be Isco.

Alcantara, Marchisio and Isco would be phenomenal summer. Surely if Isco is coming to Manchester he would be following Pellegrini though.

I may get some stick for this but I would much prefer Thiago isco and strootman as I beleive he could bring that bite and leadership back to our midfeild.

And why is isco so loyal to pellegrini don't see why a player would choose city over united unless they where chasing money or expected not to fit into our 11 as easily as at another club

19JackC94

16 Jun 2013 14:21:24
With Buttner admitting he nearly quit MU due to homesickness, would that indicate him moving back to Vitesse? If MU are genuinely interested in Van Ginkel, could there be a swap? or perhaps in a swap for Strootman? PSV will be losing Pieters this summer.

Sydney!

Syd, I would think that his use of "nearly" would indicate he is now over this homesickness.

Are you ever really over it though MPez? At the very least he would welcome a move back to Holland if a chance would arise surely? I think it wouldn't be too unrealistic if both Evra & Buttner left and Baines was signed. I think two of Ev, Buttner & Fabio will go this summer, but then I thought Ev would go last summer.

Sydney!

Why would you think Evra would go this summer? He didn't go last summer and then had his best season for years.

redseven {Ed004's Note - 1 year left on his contract and he has stated in the past the only reason he stayed was because of Ferguson}

Redseven, I think Ev may want to return to Monaco. From a MU perspective I think him having a year left on his contract means we will get cash back for him if he leaves this summer.

From a Moyes' perspective, I think if he wants Baines, it would be difficult to justify having both Baines & Evra on the books, neither would want to sit on the bench and the club would not want to pay both salaries.

I think, and it's only an opinion, I think Moyes sees Evra as a weak link like the majority of us. Everton focused on Evra during the MU/Everton games so that must show he seen him as a weak link.

Evra has been very good offensively this season, but still poor defensively. Until we bring in a new LB we will continue to leak goals from the left. I imagine this is the last chance for Baines, so I think he will move this summer.

Sydney!

This is going to be the benefit of having Moyes in charge. He will look at things with a fresh pair of eyes and hopefully spot that our midfield, lb and wings are not up to the standard they should be!

Also I am curious, could thiago play in a midfield two, or is he a more attack minded player, in the kagawa mould?

El Diablo

I know there is a lot of "I thinks" in there, but they are my thoughts. Not sure what will actually happen this summer at LB, but we will see soon enough.

Sydney!

16 Jun 2013 14:01:13
Wouldn't it just make a change for us to steal a player from someone. Could we steal Marko van Ginkel from Chelsea? Would he be a good signing? I have absolutely no idea how good he is, I have never seen him play and this is the first time I have properly heard his name mentioned. Would he be as good a signing as someone like Thiago?

He is decent more in the mould of a young gerrard/Lampard. However Chelsea and Vitesse have close ties and if the kid moves anywhere it will be to Chelsea

I know what you mean fresh, a lot of papers today reporting how we are going to get beaten to this player and that, only seen van ginkel at yhe under 21's but he looks a good player, unfortunately chelsea have an arrangement with his club already, so w are probably miles behind them for his signature.

Chelsea beat us to Mikel (thankfully) and we have been beaten by then for the likes of Hazard as well as other players going elsewhere. It would be brilliant to take van Ginkel and Lewandowski away from two of our domestic and European rivals.

16 Jun 2013 15:45:28
So you know nothing about him but want to sign him? Christ.

Whistler.

Whistler, I have heard he is very good, a good young talent. If Chelsea are interested and he is in demand then he must be good. Surprisingly I can't travel to these countries and scout all these players like I'm sure you can. Sometimes you have to use your brain, if Stevenage wanted him then I'd say no, but the calibre of teams that are after him suggests that we should be looking at him.

16 Jun 2013 13:25:36
I read somewhere that a Barcelona Vice presicent said that "Cesc will only leave the club if he himself wants to move on"

I may be clutching at straws here but do the Fabregas statements and this one add up to that thing known as loyalty bonus or perhaps that Barca want Cesc gone to raise funds?

Just a thought. Although I think Thiago leaving is more likely and if he is serious about leaving for more first team football, he would ideally choose United over Bayern.

REDFAITH

16 Jun 2013 11:28:21
Isco WILL sign 4 MCFC after the euros and thiago will move to MUFC too, my sources tells me
Chidubem

DDG will be happy with all of these Spaniards moving to Cheshire.

Sydney!

16 Jun 2013 12:52:58
chidubem are u from nigeria?

Chidubem are these the same sources that had you state Ronaldo signing for us will be in todays papers with "I told you" as I can't see that one anywhere?
Invisible STuey

16 Jun 2013 10:12:31
Its quite boring at the moment with Mr Moyes away on holiday and no transfer action so to pass the time. Please tell me your favourite fan songs apart from United. for me it has to be Herts fans singing sunshine on Leith. If you have not seen it watch it. Superb. Can you beat it

There are many songs I like to hear from fans of all sort

Welsh fans singing their anthem
Twickers singing Swing Low is possibly the best
Not quite the same but the All Blacks doing the Haka

Memorable all

Afc Wimbledon singing to mk dons, 'where were u when u were us''
Chris the REDman

We're not brazil we're Northen Ireland!

I'm not bein biased or anything but it has to be flower of Scotland at any stadium or pub for that matter, it shows the passion of fans even though our teams are not really that good at anything apart from elephant polo, world champions
Malky

Ireland's song they sing at the Aviva stadium before Six Nations matches is incredible, the whole crowd belts it out!

Nat

Spurs fans chanting "taxi for maicon" is a favourite of mine.

Andrew b

Great post kloot.
Hibs fans do a cracking version of it too.
Biased I know but Ireland fans singing the fields of athenry. try the match vs spain in the euros.
Or for pure emotion (even though its rugby) when England played in croke park. all 3 anthems sang and respected brilliantly by both sets of fans.

Rk16

16 Jun 2013 13:45:14
land of my fathers at the millennium, Calon Lan, Bread of Heaven. Fields of Athenry, Irelands call at the Six Nations. Flower of Scotland is an awful song, bad lyrics and horrible music, only god save the queen is worse.

Incredible how many rugby songs were mentioned and, to add one more, seeing Gloucester play at Kingsholm the noise is unlike anything I have ever experienced at a football match, whilst still being incredible good natured.

Jaxer

Also "where's your 4th stand gone. " sung by all opposing fans at the Kassam Stadium

Jaxer

YNWA is Thee song'

And the Fields of Athenry too by Ireland fans.

16 Jun 2013 02:04:36
City go for isco we go for strootman.
Enough said, speaks volumes for what Moyes is trying to do.
Give up!

If this is a Moyes hate post you should give up mate, Strootman was a Fergie target too, infact all bar Fabregas would have been Fergies targets. Do you think he would have signed isco?

1redarmy

16 Jun 2013 00:51:56
We won the premier league with a squad consisting of depth in defence.
We bought Velera- which I understand- cover and competition for Rachael, but Garay?
Is he the same standard as 
Vidic,  Ferdinand,  Evans, smalling,
Jones?
Rumours of left back been bought also.
Probably the strongest area of our squad looks to being strengthened! Who in defence will leave?
will we finally get a CM that we have been missing since barca beat us convincingly (even with ronny)!

It looks to me that our whole style of play will be changed, let's hope it's effective!

There's a woman playing for United?

Since when did we sign women full backs?
MANCRED 99

Rachel, love it. Bit harsh though

15 Jun 2013 22:36:41
So Pellergrini comes into City and talks about how they have the best squad and how he is going to win the league and make them entertaining. He will probably bring Isco with him who let's face it is one of the best young players in the world. Compare that with We get David Moyes and what do we get told. "Give him time" Obviously Fergie thinks he is going to struggle for a bit. Am I the only one who is a tiny little bit worried. {please don't just come on here and say get behind him. Of course I will and I hope and prey that I am wrong} It's just I have so many niggling doubts about him and nobody on here or in the media has said anything to convince me otherwise. Remember this is a man who when his team defends a corner brings all 11 men back into the box and doesn't leave anyone forward. The one good thing is that he has an agreement with Kenwright not to take anyone from Everton which is quite a relief when you look at who we have dumped on them in the past. So that is your latest task convince me that David Moyes is going to lead us to glory

Well one thing is for sure fatty ando and rooney won't be fat anymore

Talk is cheap. When did you hear SAF say "we will win the league"? He always said that the league was the main priority but that a trophy per season was what the club should aim for. Let Pellegrini talk as much as he likes, it will only add pressure when he hits a bumpy patch where as United and our fans know all about responding to rough periods and know not to panic. Nothing I or anyone else says is going to ease your worries about David Moyes but I have a sneaking suspicion that you might just find yourself pleasantly surprised.

TK-Red

The overconfidence of some of our fans worries me. Let Pelligrini talk as if he's a novice. This guy is a top manager, he's won trophies and will do a fantastic job for city.
If they get isco then that will be a major signing for them.
We're talking about garay, verala?
If we don't start buying some decent talent, then we're screwed. Kloot is right.

Totally over rated as we've said all along! £17m for him is an absolute joke.

"KLOOT"
We can't convince you that David Moyes has what it takes, the only person that can do that is the man himself!
However, given the choice of the two managers I know who many of us on here would choose, but are we really looking at the strengths and weaknesses of the two managers.
With David Moyes we instantly recognise his weaknesses and what we dislike about his management style. We have been able to witness this through his time at Everton, and you are right he is very defence minded, quite direct and at times boring. However, can you maybe put a spin on this and take the positives. He is experienced in the league, he knows the demands, the different styles of teams, he knows how the premier league is run and also has had the time to network and find the right people to employ around him.
We then look a Pellegrini, and he can say whatever he wants, but its still new to him. He maybe an experienced manager, but he is a novice to the league. He failed at Real Madrid and shows his lack of temperament when the pressure is on and there is a lot of pressure with the City role. Who would you rather have take over the irreplaceable Sir Alex, a novice or a student of the premier league for the past ten years?
I to am worried about Europe and whether David Moyes is able to stamp his own style onto Manchester United.
Although, I really believe there is something to Moyes. Sometimes the quietest person, knows the most and Moyes has displayed that quality since he was announced the next manager. He has not bigged up the squad or stated who he's going to sign, he has quietly gone about his business, got his head into order away from the media and will come back on task and hopefully gets a couple of players on task.
Moyes strikes me as a great student of football and he displayed that with Everton and their approach to football, with new and has to be said exciting tactics. Those tactics will work better with better players.
Finally, to finish, City can buy who they like. If you throw enough money at anything its going to give you a strip tease, but to many purchases upsets the balance. To many wrong purchases destroys a club, and to me City are heading down that route. Initially they bought crap and it shows now as they can't get rid of the players they do not need. They then bought quality, who won them trophies, but now those players who won the trophies are wanted by other clubs and those players want to move to those other clubs. Now that shows you that City can not keep their better players, even though their winning trophies. If Isco comes, Silva leaves. You would not see players leaving United when we our winning, unless we don't need those players anymore.

aaallj5

Someone should ring Moyes and tell him to call a presser quickly. He needs to tell all these worried fans that he intends to win all trophies and play exciting attacking football. He must also assure us that we will be signing some big name players to ensure we get the job done, unlike last season when we bought crap players and almost got relegated. Moyes must pay special attention to everything Pelle-watzizname says. If pelle says he have a burger for luch, Moyes should have two, so he always seem to be a step ahead.

Unlike last season, we can't afford to get screwed. oh wait.

Pelligrini has won trophies. back in South America. Has won nothing in Europe yet.

REDFAITH

This upcoming season the EPL title race is so wide open it could be a three way race ( If Arsenal start decent, 4 ).
I do like the fact, Moyes seems to understand the midfield issues and will act to correct it, while strengthing the defense.
Saying all that, United under Moyes will most likely finish a close second, win a Domestic Cup, & reach the CL semifinals.

My thoughts on Moyes are similar to Kloot and remain unconvinced he was the right choice, in fact he would not have been in my top five. Then there is the madness of giving him a six year contract. Pressure will grow until he wins the league or European cup.

City had a better first team than us last season but we had a deeper and less divided squad plus the drive from SAF to make up for the previous season. This season with a new manager and undoubtedly some major purchases they will be above us unless we pull out some seriously top class major buys in the summer. Those who say we will win the league with the addition of less than top class players because we did it last season are only deluding themselves.

The media will absolutely love it if we are knocked off our perch by City and Chelsea and the idea put about that we have to stand by our new manager gives me the idea that SAF expects a period of difficulty or perhaps that the owners are not going to support him to the level needed. After all everyone believes that SAFs speech about "you" supporting the new manager could easily have been aimed at the Glazer family as well as the supporters. We will find out in the coming weeks.

Red Man

16 Jun 2013 09:14:14
hey, no name I can't remember pellegrini winning a major trophy in europe, I AM KLOOT LET PELLEGRINI TALK THE TALK AND MOYES DO THE WINNING, KLOOTY BOY I BELIEVE MARK HUGHES WILL SAY HE WILL WIN TROPHIES WITH STOKE, IN AS MUCH AS I DISLIKE MANCINI HE IS BETTER THAN PELLEGRINI.

TK-Red it was the first thing he said when we lost the league to City. Fergie was always confident not apologetic which is what he appears about Moyes

16 Jun 2013 10:18:04
Pellegrini will be gone by this time next year. He might have been moderately successful in Spain but that doesn't mean he will be over here. City look to be making the same transfer mistakes as last year signing second rate players who will need half a season to adapt. And the manager will need time to settle as well. But the owners don't take excuses. Sure they'll bounce at the start of the season the thrill of a new manager and all that but I stand by saying they'll come third. Last year everyone was crapping themselves over chelsea because they signed hazard and I said they'd start well but fade and it happened. I could be wrong with City but I think their in for a few rough months. Chelsea certainly are our biggest challengers. As for United well the window hasn't opened yet, let's see what we do before panicking. MrE

I hear lots of talk of Mourinho walking the league, where as for me I see City beiing the biggest threat to us in the league. I feel the actual transfers this summer could decide the league, so hard to comment really until the summer window finishes. However they have installed an experienced manager who I think will prove to be better than Mancini, a midfielder who can form a very solid partnership with Toure (a step up from Barry that I don't see failing like the really over rated Javi Garcia that I have never rated) and they now have in Navas a genuinely pacey winger to get behind teams that they haven't had in there squad since Wright-Phillips. If they do add a player such as Isco and a top goal scoring striker to partner Aguero they look very dangerous. I think Chelsea will be right up there but I don't see a real spine to there team as he created before as Lampard and Terry for example are at the end of there careers. IAMKLOOT I kind of agree with you, I think the signings Moyes makes are vital as personally I think he needs to hit the ground running or the pressure outside of the boardroom at least could magnify very quickly. However I think we should ignore the tactics he has used in the past, as this is a different club with different expectations and budgets so I am not sure he will be playing the same way as he has done, it is certainly going to be a very interesting season and I certainly hope we bring in at least one exciting player like a Bale/Ronaldo/Thiago type to get bums off seats as though we have a strong squad we don't have a very exciting one from the last season of play and this and the midfield should be the areas addressed to help Moyes hit the ground runnign in my opnion
Invisible STuey

No name, he's won the Intertoto cup with Villareal in 2004. Not exactly a glowing CV is it? I've no doubt citeh will be contenders, let's face it, anybody could manage a 1billion pound squad to the title, but, he's no experience of the Premier League. Moyes has got at Least 10 years on him in that respect so things do balance out a bit from that point of view.
MANCRED 99

If I'm honest I think it's just in your nature to be worried/negative mate. If we had employed Pellegrini would you not be saying similar things about him not winning trophies etc? Now he's at City you're worried he's going to be a great of the game but who was talking about him being a top manager a year or 2 ago?

I like how you sum up Moyes with:

"Remember this is a man who when his team defends a corner brings all 11 men back into the box and doesn't leave anyone forward"

Let's all hope there's more to his game than that! Like TK Red says, talk is cheap.

I think that's slightly different though. That year we had lost the league to our local rivals and he HAD to say that. Also he had done it 12 times before so by that stage he is allowed such a prediction. I know what you're saying but David Moyes has nothing to gain by talking in such a way; although, who knows, he may say exactly that at his first press conference.

No name, Pellegrini may have won leagues abroad but, as Red Man said, he hasn't won in Europe yet and it makes no difference anyway. I'm not entirely sure how effectively saying "lets wait and see" can be construed as overconfidence. I would say exactly the same were it Mourinho or Guardiola. Talk is still cheap.

TK-Red

I bet that if Mourinho, Guardiola or any other manager would have taken over Sir Alex would have given us the exact same message of standing by the new manager. KLOOT does a brilliant job of twisting what Sir Alex said in an emotional speech and interpreting it the way he wants to fit his own argument.

Yes, the signings Moyes makes will be crucial. But a lot on here refuse to give the current squad the credit it deserves. City haven't exactly bought world beaters yet, Chelsea's transfer business hasn't been too different to ours anyway.

At this time last year who would have thought we would sign RVP? United always play their cards close to their chest and with the Euro U21s and FIFA Confederations cup this year, signings were always likely to happen later on in the summer.

REDFAITH

To all the Moyes doubters. please tell me which managers in the world could have achieved what moyes has at Everton in the last 10 years with the resources available to him?

is pellewhatshisface on your list?

Andrew b

15 Jun 2013 22:16:58
Ed, not United related but can you tell me how Real Madrid are getting all the money from to potentially buy Bale, Cavani, Suarez and Possibly Isco and Verrati? Even if they sign 3 of them players your looking at a lot of money what they apparently don't have? Could some big name players be leaving Madrid in order to free up space and give extra cash? Thanks. {Ed002's Note - Try the Real Madrid page.}

15 Jun 2013 22:14:39
heard United have made some enquiries regarding Morgan Schneiderlin of Southampton and not Luke Shaw

Yeah, another superstar!