Manchester United Banter Archive November 16 2012

16 Nov 2012 22:23:09
I AM KLOOT Rainfish whatever you go by where are you from by the way you know where I'm from

Mike the Moston Red

Where are you from Mike?
Raffa

Raffa,

You kidding?

GDS

16 Nov 2012 21:32:22
Kloots on a posting spree!

19-20 MUFC

Multi post!

Combo-breaker!

16 Nov 2012 18:36:26
Can we please drop the "where you come from" debate about supporting United. Someone brought up the point a couple of days ago and I responded stupidly. I know it causes a lot of anger resentment and upset amongst supporters so why go over it all again. If you really support United then you are my brother and like all families we will fall out but for gods sake lets find something new to give me grief about I am sure Mumbles and Sydney have got loads up their sleeves. I of course will be enjoying tomorrows game especially as all the home crowd will be showing their anti Glazer stance...... I AM KLOOT

I love you man.

StevieK

Good for you Kloot , I'm feeling man love right now (might be the stella)

It is appreciated mate

Pardoe

17 Nov 2012 00:30:27
bravo. moving on

..constantine..

That is a post worthy of a grown up man...
kudos to you I AM KLOOT..
And my sincerest condolences on your loss in munich tragedy...

PRATEEK

Kloot, I didnt mention you in my first post. I came on to see a post slagging me that had to be edited by the ed's from you. I don't have anything "up my sleeve" I can assure you of that. The last thing I want to do is spend my time arguing over the internet about things either of us are gonna change our minds about!

Mumbles

16 Nov 2012 18:25:09
The Sir Alex Ferguson statue will be unveiled at Old Trafford on Friday 23 November at 2pm GMT and a fan viewing area is to be set up for anyone who wishes to watch the unveiling ceremony take place.


Location: The unveiling ceremony will take place outside the Sir Alex Ferguson Stand – the statue itself will be placed on a canopy above the main entrance to this stand (Tour/Museum entrance). The fan viewing area will be set up in the car park adjacent to this area (N1). This area will not be under cover so please bring suitable clothing in case of inclement weather.


Schedule: The unveiling ceremony will commence at 2pm and will last approximately 30 minutes. A short time after the ceremony ends, fans will be invited to view the new Sir Alex Ferguson-themed installations and artwork in the lower concourse (approximately 3:30pm).


Parking: Parking will be available in W2 outside the ticket office.............I AM KLOOT

16 Nov 2012 14:56:48
Regarding our pretty meaningless champ lge games, will fergy play a lot of youngsters. Surely a perfect time to give them xp?

What is the champions league squad this year?

Do players under 21 have to be registered. Would like to see blackett, powell, henriquez get a game.

Cheers

________Lindegaard
Jones__Smalls__Woots__Butts
__Powell__Fletcher__Scholes
L.Nani___Hernandez___Welbz

Perhaps Tunnicliffe, Cole, Thorpe etc on the bench.

Sydney!

No way will Blackett be playing. Players like Macheda will be put in the shop window. Then I think Anderson, Fletcher etc will play for fitness.

Fresh!

Sydney
ynot try jones at cb as both games r meaningless and its a chance for him to see if he has ny future as a proper defender!

Syd,

Why do you think he will play scholes? These games mean nothing remember, nothing more than a friendly match, we can lose both 35-0 and still qualify as group winners. I imagine it will be young players for experience, it would seem silly to even take scholes, or Hernandez and welbeck for that matter, anywhere near turkey.

GDS

I'd rather hope Tunnicliffe will be given a chance as we seem to be using Fletcher sparingly which would perhaps suggest overuse could reignite his colitis. If this is the case blooding Tunnicliffe would give him some vital 1st team experience. It's great to see Smalling back and hopefully Jones next week and potentially Vidic

Mad Hatter

There is still prize money at stake

Cooper

I know they are meaningless games but we will put out strong squads as it is not in our nature to have a team out there that is destined to lose. Winning is epidemic and I think SAF will want to keep the streak going.



Shahram

I would play ----------------------------------------------lindegard-----------------------vermilj--jones---wooton--buttner--------nani---anderson---powell--tunnecliffe-----------------hernandez------------welbeck---no way would i take scholes

16 Nov 2012 13:31:22
KLOOT

Thanks for the reply and sorry for the loss.

The point I was going to make though as I had an idea you were going to mention Munich is that although there will be very little of our fan base who can say they were directly effected like you and your family, this incident along with many that other football clubs have endured stand as a beacon for an influx of support in all different measures from football fans all over the world.

So for instance an Australian started supporting Utd after the crash through emotions stirred in him and has supported them since through thick and thin whilst getting across to games whenever he can. I would consider this a true supporter which as you can imagine has nothing to do with proximity to the ground, club or even the country.

Now of course with the recent success in the SAF time many growing fan bases in this era could be banded in with the glory hunter tag. Many would have started supporting Utd as they were successful but that also includes people from in and around the Manchester area. That shows that although there are the loyalists who would stick by the club through any bad time or whatever in Manchester there is also a group who could drop the support in the blink of an eye. This can be applied to the worldwide fan base that would also be mixed with loyal supporters who would stick by the club. They again would be gauged as true supporters.

So I understand that through the years of support you have been capable of giving our team that you may see the multi millions of supporters who have maybe supported Utd for 15 years or less as possible glory hunters as such but throughout that time I'm sure Utd have also gained many loyal supporters like yourself who long after your gone will continue with your tradition of supporting Utd through thick and thin, going to games whenever they can and doing all this irrelevant of their location.

So overall I suspect there will probably only be a handful of people who can match your connection to the club from the crashes perspective but through being a loyal supporter who would stick with the club through good times and bad there are many supporters on a par with you that can be banded in with the true supporters tag and no doubt a high percentage of that number don't live in and around Manchester.

Jono

Good post Jono!

"being a loyal supporter who would stick with the club through good times and bad"

To me that's what defines a true supporter, no matter where you were born and no matter how you 1st found the club - if you offer your support through all the bad times as well as the good you are a true fan in my eyes

I was born in west Wales where you either support the team your dad does (my dad's more into rugby!) or you choose Liverpool or United. I chose United for 2 main reasons 1) Giggs was just starting out in the game and being welsh quickly became my hero 2) My dad didn't follow football closely but did tell me at a very young age about George Best and about the Munich disaster (which soon after I did my school project on). He sold United as a magical club with an incredible history, something that seemed amazing to me living over 40 miles away from the nearest league football club even (who just happened to be from a rival town who I could not lend my support to). Being brought up in rural west wales in the 60's those 2 parts of United's rich history had really caught my dad's imagination as a youngster and although he never became that passionate about football his passion for those memories attached to our great club were passed on to me

The truth is had United not been so successful in the past it wouldn't have been an option thrown before me to support them, where I was brought up. So in that sense you could term me a 'glory hunter' in simple terms as I did opt for the glory of supporting our great club, it's traditions and philosophy. However since that day I did choose United it has been firmly in my heart and I have no say in the matter - makes me feel sick when we lose but exstatic when we win. I go to a game or 2 a season if I can spare the money but watch the rest on the box with my tins

I would imagine my story is common amongst fans of United and I certainly feel like a true fan, not some fly by night or johnny come lately ; )

Gav

p.s. my post is not directed at KLOOT as I feel what he has said may have been taken out of context somewhat. I just think it's intersting and inspiring to know all the great reasons people from all over have attached themselves to our club

I think we should be delighted that our club is loved all over the world. I live locally but loads of season ticket holders around me live in far places such as Somerset etc. Their devotion to the team is fantastic. So they deserve credit for being prepared to travel so far to watch the Reds.
NoMidfield

I was destined to be a red ,i was born in 1958 weeks after the disaster and into a family of bluenoses.11 years later with my dads business partner we used to go to a pub in millbrook stalybridge where i used to sit and talk about football with the landlord.he bombarded me with facts and stories about man utd and that was it ive now been match going for 41 years.that man was jackie blanchflower.thank you very much jackie
johndenton

16 Nov 2012 12:13:34
Quick question,

In the summer many people were suggesting we should not have bought RVP because we needed a world class centre midfielder. It appeared the club sacrificed the midfielder to purchase RVP once he became available.

With the benefit of seeing the team for 3 months have the people suggesting we should have bought a midfielder instead of RVP changed their minds or are they still of the same mindset that we made a mistake and should have bought the central midfielder we so desperately need?

I understand that both would have been the better option, I am just wondering if RVP's performances have changed the view as many were suggesting without buying a midfielder we wouldn't even make the top 4 this season.

GDS

RVP and the other strikers have saved us on the basis of 'we will score more than you' but the amount of goals were leaking and the way Everton, Spurs etc bossed us in midfield I would think we should have bought a CM instead.

IrishRed

I was hoping for a CM in the summer so back then I was a bit disappointed. But the way RVP has hit the ground running, it's difficult to criticise his signing isn't it?! Would a CM have had as much of an impact as RVP has? I would say probably not. But that area definitely needs spending on this January/ summer IMO.

#ags

I was all for signing RVP, no doubt we needed and still do need a CM but when a player of Van Persie quality comes up for grabs i expect United to be interested whatever the position.
I think we needed another striker when Berbatov was leaving but didnt think we'd go for one after bringing in Kagawa with Chic and Welbeck as cover but things changed when RVP became available.

Going forward is the best ive seen us since the Tevez, Ron,Berbetov and Rooney days, scoring for fun and playing great football, the problem lies now is our defensive team - our D and midfield are not good enough and i fear this will be our downfall particularly in Europe, i for one is hoping when Jones and smalling return full time along with Vidic our D will settle and start to be solid again.
I long for a comfortable win this season, Utd through the years have always had a good core throughout the team for the past couple of years we dont have that stability.
In response to your question - no, i would still sign RVP everyday of the week but we really do need a solid DM.

Giants14

IrishRed, Spurs never bossed us in midfield at all. Bale ran through us a couple of times in the 1st half due to us having just two in midfield one player being 37. The rest of the game we had 80% odd possession and hit the woodwork several times and really should have gone on to win. Even against Everton we should have won with the chances we made, Fellaini and their long-ball tactic undone us, but not their midfield.

GDS, I think RvP was too much of a top player to not just pass-up, but also let go to City. We did bid for Witsel after we signed RvP so I do not think RvP was instead of a midfielder.

Sydney!

Personally I am delighted we have RVP. The following statement might not make much sense at first so bare with me; I don't think we necessarily need a world class CM at the moment. We just need someone who plays a certain way i.e. protecting the back 4, putting his foot in and getting the ball moving again when we get possession so when looking at it like that I would say that a fit Phil Jones could capably do that job for us until we can bring in the right player next summer. I think we would've still conceded the majority of the goals we have this season even if we did have a DM because the goals we've conceded have generally been down to the defence. As soon as we have a fully fit and settled defence, the midfield will look much more solid IMO and Phil Jones added to that will add a bit of bite where as you don't win games without scoring goals so I would have to say I am happy we brought in RVP.

TK-Red

Syd!

Spurs did dominate the midfield, maybe not with possession but the effectiveness of both attacking and defensive work far out shone ours. So from that perspective they did boss us in the game.

Everton game they played better than us full stop and that all came down to our midfield and wide men playing pathetically. So their average midfield didn't have to shine to still be able to contain ours, again they were more effective.

Jono

Interesting discussion guys, that is what I was aiming for. My opinion on it is exactly what others have said, we couldn't pass on the chance to sign a player like Rvp, especially when his only other viable option was city. I think if city had him and we didn't this season we would be struggling. So I think we made the correct decision for this summer.

That being said I think it is imperative we sign a midfielder in the summer. That along with a replacement for nani and a left back (assuming fabio isn't seen as long term) have to be the way forward in the summer.

Tk, I too am looking forward to jones coming back, I thought he was fantastic at the start of last season and could go on to be one of the great united players. He is only young and will bounce back from this injury pretty quickly I would imagine.

Fun times ahead, lets hope we can get the win tomorrow and with 2 winnable home games coming up next and Chelsea and city to play each other next week and still fighting for their lives in the champions league we will hopefully be a few points clear going into the city game.

GDS

Jono, I disagree, Spurs didn't have a midfield full-stop in the second half. It was a United onslaught. Bale coming inside from the wing is where it hurt us in the first half. Their central midfield didn't offer much at all and absolutely nothing in the second half. Probably one of the most one-sided 45 minutes I have ever seen in the second half. Their midfield was pegged back into their defence.

Everton completely missed out their midfield by playing a long-ball to Fellaini. We had more than enough chances to win both games and we didn't take them. Sure our midfield was poor and too open in the first half against Spurs, but they never bossed us in midfield at all during the game. Bale just went on one of his runs and single handedly walsed through the midfield.

Sydney!

Syd!

Against spurs it was vertonghan who ran through first by all our midfield plus him and bales were not the only ones. I admit we humped them second half but that was by utilising our wingers. Our CM still couldn't penetrate theirs and break through the middle often so although they camped out they were solid enough to not let us through the middle.

Evertons tactics were clear from the off but Fellaini dropped in to help in CM to the tune of our CM again having little effect going straight through the middle, again we pressed the ball wide from the centre circle as we couldn't penetrate through the middle.

IMO they were not going to dominate us Barca style ie when they had the ball as neither team played to do that but defensively they blocked off our routes through the middle time and again and therefore maybe not dominatedour CM but certainly out classes them.

If we were better we would have been ripping through their centre instead of having to use width to attack them.

Jono

Jono, no doubt Spurs have a better midfield (defensively) than ours with Sandro, Huddlestone, Parker, Dembele etc, but I do not think their central midfield bossed ours on the day. We really should have beaten them with the 2nd half onslaught. Everton had one player that caused us problems and for some strange reason we seem to keep letting him have the ball. Take away the long-balls to Fellaini and their midfield was no better than ours. I think the Everton and Spurs games were winnable if our strikers took their chances which they never in these games.

Will speak again tomorrow mate, off out now as there are some bottles of Bulmers calling me from a pub fridge. I am a lot of things, but I never neglect a drink ;)

Sydney!

Since we are having a discussion on midfields if we want to be honest, Spurs, Everton, Chelsea, and Liverpool midfield outplayed us.

We went 2-2 in those games and I think the real test of how competitive we are will be when we play city in a few weeks.

RVP was a great buy but wished we have also bought at least one midfielder as europe has proved to be very difficult so far against nothing teams.

Shahram

I see your point mate, I have a fride pack of buds calling me forth. Doubt I'll get congratulated for pulling anything out tonight ;-)

Jono

I think that we all know that our midfield is not strong enough. Either way you see this debate, that is true. The better teams in Europe will go on to prove this I fear.

Pip

16 Nov 2012 10:18:00
This question is directed at any ed or poster paticularly interested in youth football or ITK.

Is there any interest from teams in england to take henriquez on loan?

He needs to be playing first team football. How is he doing in u21s?

He scored for chile in midweek. So, that should generate some interest.

Thanks

JohnTheRedMaroon97 {Ed002's Note -

16 Nov 2012 07:51:23
Anzhi are interested in rooney. he's definitely wouldn't go there but in the long run, what would happen if he did? we get around 60m for him and that would be enough for Hummels, Vidal & Baines/Ozil.
Campian

Lol you obviously have not read the previous posts. I got killed for posting something similar, however 60 million is not enough money to get you all 3 more like 70.

Shahram

Aaah the contentious Rooney debate. Not today folks. I'm having a day off from that one ;)

TK-Red

16 Nov 2012 05:33:14
Well done to jono for pulling that one out.explains alot.
Sorry for your loss Kloot.

I think most of the outsider Man united fans deep down know the club belongs to the locals. The truth of it is the story of the club and the community would have interlinked in many ways over its rich History, inspired success and tradegy as has been with yourself. The rest of us are admirers. its understandable that our support can be seen as incomparable even if you are a bit hard on us for loving the club

fair enough ..constantine..

Cons

That's the first time I have ever been congratulated for pulling it out;-)

Jono

16 Nov 2012 12:52:34
lol. my comiserations buddy

..constantine..

16 Nov 2012 01:05:08
I hope we sell nani sooner rather than later, and buy Tom Ince he's one for the future and hopefully get about 25 million for nani

I hope we do not sell nani for Tom Ince as he has proven nothing at the top level and we need someone now on the left wing and the future takes care of itself as I am sure there are many young left wingers like him around but being english everything gets hyped up.

I do hope we buy Muniain or Rodrigues if we sell Nani.

Nani is still miles better than Ice.

Shahram

Nani is rubbish.

Nani is poor but Tom ince is definitely not the solution. This is the same scenario as Evra with buttoner not being the solution.

Shahram

Nani is fabulous, leave him alone.

Percy

15 Nov 2012 23:36:40
Found a top 100 youth players in the world on a website, no sterling on it no suso in fact no Liverpool players but there was henriquez daehli pereria and van velzen. Btw where is van velzen do we still have him?

Dave

On loan in the eridvisie. Somewhere

He is on loan at Royal Antwerp after we re-established our link up with them.

TK-Red

I think Suso will be a very good player i believe...

What is the websites name

I think it was footballwonderkids.com

Dave

Footballwonderkidscout.co.uk
Youre welcome
SK

Well even though i have no sympathy for liverpool you have to admit sterling and suso are incredible talents and i would love to have them at mufc.

Mick

The website you guys are talking about is well and truly outdated. Some players mentioned are no longer at the clubs the website says they play for eg. Oscar being at Internacional. Both Suso and Sterling would be top 100 young players, IMO.

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