Manchester United Banter Archive January 17 2014

 

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17 Jan 2014 20:41:48
Long Time reader, First time poster.

I really wanted to dedicate my first post to Ed002, and thank him for all he does for this great site!

Steve

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Or her according to ed004
I second that, good work.

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Whomever he/she/it is, I love the sarcastic replies and I'm just greatfull!.

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Oh come on mate, you can't single out any Eds.

Ed 002 has reliable inside information, and always seem to find the time to answer the dumbest of questions ( with the odd sarcastic reply ). I can't tell for sure if it's a he/she but there seems to be something between her and Ed007. Local gossip though ( and Ed007 told us so )

Ed 004 is a united fan, and always chips in with his views and opinions. Plenty of posters on here respect what he says and he always knows what he's talking about.

Ed 007, well, is fun. Funny replies, funny banter, funny treatment of liverpool fans.

Im such a suck up

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Point taken and agree Mick.

Guess I singled Ed002 as (s)he appears to be the one with reliable info. Ed002 is clearly a united fan and one of the family, and don't recall reading much from 007.

Steve

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Bond's only failing, is the team he supports :)

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17 Jan 2014 21:41:07
well looks like rooney and rvp are out( still think rooney could be on the bench) but I do feel nani should start over valencia. we need someone who can cross the ball to give players like hernandez to score. having valencia will slow down our play and his delivery is poor. we need to play to the strengths of welbz and chicha and this can only be done by killer through passes. for that reason we need creativity and i'd honestly play januzaj kags and nani behind welbz with carrick and fletcher behind. imo we are the team not under pressure and we have nothing to lose and we should honestly just go for it. i'm sure if we lost but battled to win the game fans will appreciate it rather than playing this negative dootball.

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18 Jan 2014 00:24:13
Have you even seen Nani's crosses?

It goes something like this: 1st man, 1st man, 1st man, Row Z, 1st man, fall over, subbed.

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MrE

Harsh, but fair. And funny

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Rather zaha than nani.

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Lol I concur lol

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I don't think he will play welbeck and hernandez, just welbeck.
And I hope he doesn't play nani. Can't see it, Valencia is also solid defensively and will work hard.

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17 Jan 2014 19:17:44
Quite a few people having a go at Moyes on here for Zaha not being played/loaned out. Now, while I would like to see more of him, Moyes obviously doesn't think he is ready. The whole daughter thing, in my eyes, has nothing to do with it even if true as why would he stop him going on loan??

I think the reason is either the right loan offer from a suitable club hasn't arrived, or we are seeing if anything happens with Nani this window before a decision. I wouldn't be surprised if Moyes is trying to keep him away from a London club, as Zaha's brother is c*ck. We got rid of Morrison and don't want Zaha going the same route by going back to bad influences, in my opinion.

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Brendan

Don't rock the boat mate, it is moyes fault.

Zaha is brilliant and the manager at the expense of the club is purposely not playing him for whatever reason.

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17 Jan 2014 22:36:05
I agree with GCU, Moyes actually haven't revealed any reason for it.

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Shahram, welcome to my 'nobody gets my sarcasm' club.

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@Attitude

Sense the sarcasm.

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The worrying thing here is that I'm not convinced Attitude knows you're being sarcastic Shamram ;)

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AJH/ DB

LOL, I was not going to say anything and was waiting for more to join in :)

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Dodgy, "shamram"? spelt the same as "sneidar"?!

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For God's sake, its Schneidjerer.

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It's shneyeder! Can nobody on here spell???

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HEy HEY

It is Mr. Shahram to you lot.

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Haha touché, nm
;)

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17 Jan 2014 20:30:52
To beat Chelsea. you should be on your toes. they are very much average in the middle.
Cheslea is defined by their attacking threat.
Oscar. Hazzard. Willian. Our full backs have to be at their Best and every half chances we creates have to be put away.

1, Can Evra take out Willian/Hazzard?

2, Can we create enough Chances?

3, Would Welbeck / Heranndez finish all those half chances?

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1. Evra can take one of them out, but I feel that if he tried to take both of them out it would end in an awkward showdown where they realise Evra has been taking both of them out and they ditch him for their geeky but hunky best friends who they finally notice in 'that' way.

2. We will not create enough chances, but we will create more than enough half chances.

3. Welbeck and Hernandez, unfortunately, will only half finish the half chances, so we can expect a lot of quarter goals. Hopefully this will add up by the end of the game.

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Attitude

You should write the trailers for the TV, lots of Capital Letters for emphasis. can we? Will we? Not sure where you get Chelsea are weak in the middle. Based on our current form you would have to say we are underdogs but there's a great performance in there somewhere just waiting to get out. Hopefully we will see it on Sunday.

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If we're average in the middle well united must be useless in the middle talk sense mate Chelsea pivot is effective without being spectacular

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Hazard generally plays down the right side and likes to come in. I see us playing rafael and Valencia on that wing which should keep him quite.

The guy who causes us the most problems is Ramirez and someone need to pick him up and make sure when he makes runs from midfield our defenders are not backpedalling.

If you watch them everything is pretty much through the middle and if we shut down the middle, they are don't hurt you from the wings like city does.

I do hope we play the saw way he did against us at OT and have a 5 man midfield.

He needs the win almost more than we do given where they are in the standings and some very tricky away games coming up.

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GCU. Hazard likes to play on the right side? so we will play Raf and Valencia on our right to combat this?

This is so crazy it might just work ;)

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17 Jan 2014 22:39:05
CFC.
David Luiz and Lampard?. Force in your Midfield?hahhaha. Or is it Mikel or Essien?
I challenge you. Field any two of this of your choice.

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Jrobbm

We always play Rafael and Valencia on the right mate and will also keep hazard semi honest because he has to track back.

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No rami and luiz or matic then again united do have cleverly and carrick or fletcher I much prefer Chelsea's options add in hazard, oscar, Shirley, willian and mata but again I forgot you got young, nani, well beck and Adnan so please remind me how we are weak compared to United oh wait striking department but lucky us RVP and Rooney are missing anyway enjoy the match

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Whatever happens i'm sure if chelsea lose or draw it won't be there fault, Mour i'm sure will blame someone else or maybe Mikel could pull another stunt like last time?

However, our options are notably weaker than Chelsea's, so no real excuse for them.

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CTR

Listening to both managers yesterday was quite interesting. Ours was no nonsense given our key injuries and just wants to get on with it and I believe him when he says he will go for the win.

The other one is nothing but a self-centered overhyped man who loves to detract and take no responsibility with statements like "sleeping giant" and resurrecting Rooney transfer issue just to buy himself some insurance in case it goes against them.

I have bet a draw at 1-1 unfortunately and would have bet on us winning if we had RVP and Rooney fit.

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Have we forgotten they've got matic and Ramirez too. While I don't rate matic highly, if he plays, he'll be hell bent on playing well to impress in his first game.
Also Oscar forms part of the midfield. So if you're saying that their middle is weak, then our middle must be non existent.

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Nomid

We finally agree on something. It is their middle that is the worry and if we can match them in the middle of the park we will be alright.

Then we can all watch bambi an torres miss all game long :)

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17 Jan 2014 19:40:32
"I would hate to get people's hopes up and end up with nobody. In the same breath we are certainly not sitting back and doing nothing, that's for sure"

We shouldn't be buying players to get people's hopes up, look what happened with Fellaini on deadline day!We should be buying to improve the team. A lot of moyes comments and answers in interviews seem weird, like he doesn't know how to handle the pressure.
Last saturday when asked before the swansea game why united were losing at home he said "if I knew that I would do something about it". He just seems out of his league, I hope i'm wrong.

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Yes your wrong.

Fellaini never was a deadline day panic buy.

Woodward tried to be smart in letting the £23 million release clause lapse hoping to pressure Everton into taking a lesser amount.

It backfired massively and cost us getting the player in time for pre season.

If anyone was out their depth it was Woodward.

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Personally I think that is a reasonable answer. Would you prefer that he singled out players or positions where we are weak? That's not going to improve the atmosphere amongst the players is it?

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Fellaini was possibly a panic buy but DM clearly felt he would improve us. I know we have not seen it yet but I don't think we've seen the Fellaini who turned out for Everton every week yet.

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I guess if you look hard enough for the negative side of any comment you'll find something there.

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Which is why we should be worried.

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I'm not just talking about these comments, I'm talking about all of his comments this season. One I remember well was before the newcastle game where he said we "were going to make it as difficult as we can for them"? United at home, trying to make it difficult for the opposition to get a result? should if not be newcastle making it as difficult as possible for us to score 3 or more goals?

Comments like this in general, they seem to be very negative, even when asked about attacking football he evaded the Q and said winning was more important. I just feel he's out of his depth.
I recently read an interesting article about how mourinho was infuriated that moyes got the job ahead of him, which make you think, forget about the guardiolas and mourinhos of the world, was moyes really the best we could of got?

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Sulie, of course he wasn't. And I remember him saying that before the Newcastle game.
It is incredible how the moist "positive" posters are so behind the most "negative" manager we've had in 40 years!
I would have respect for the man if he says we're going to have a right go at them, but all he talks about is containment, not losing bla bla bla.
But as I have been told by other fellow posters, Moyes ain't going anywhere, so let's give him time till the end of season and see where we are.

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17 Jan 2014 19:19:26
A question to all of you ( supporters of other teams as well ).
What do you guys think of Chelsea's policy of buying so many talented youngsters and putting them out on loan straight away?
They have so many out on loan who are improving all the time with the fist team experience they are getting. They can be called upon if the club feels they are ready or they can be sold for some profit. Their salaries are being paid by the club they loaned out at( not sure if their full salary is paid by them). They really have some very exciting prospects at their disposal. But on the other hand young players would see what they are doing and might think twice before joining Chelsea in the future. Their academy doesn't produce much talent so it helps to hide that fact also.

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I think it's irrelevant. Chelsea want immediate success and won't have the patience to give these players a chance. De Bruyne is a perfect example - Had a good season loaned out in Germany, came back played 9 games and has now been sold. Is 9 games enough to decide on a player's future? Not for me. So unless these young starlets who are out on loan come back and immediately play 10/10 every game don't expect to see them at Chelsea for long. Why build a team when you can buy one? Not saying it's the wrong way to do it's just the way they have chosen to. Where are they going to fit Piazon in? Or Chalobah? They can't be League Cup players forever.

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17 Jan 2014 20:26:53
Coz they have Tonz of money.

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Because uniteds first team is full of academy players!

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It seems like a decent policy for a club with an unlimited budget and a rather disappointing youth system.

But we have yet to truly see the benefits. Mako Marin and Kevin De Bruyne are recent examples, while we have yet to see what Lukaku is capable of in a Chelsea shirt.

The loan system would probably work for a player when he knows what's expected of him at the club, has been brought up with the club mentality and way of playing.

But a player coming back from a loan with no idea what's required of him will take just as much time to bed in as any other transfered player, and might be given far less time to prove his worth compared to a new signing or an academy graduate.

Atm, Wilfried Zaha has been familiarized with the club, therefore, if he is to go out on loan, will know what is expected of him. If he was loaned out to a premier club the second he got here he would have needed a lot more time to bed in.

But for now, we have yet to see how it's going to pan out for Chelsea's young guns on loan, so we cannot pass a definitive judgment.

All I can say for sure is that if this policy is that good, why hasn't any other team attempted it in the past?

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It is a short term skimming of the rules until they close it. They have some form of arrangement with that dutch club and are farming players out there but will not last and it is kind of like having a farm club and not really a loan deal and I doubt the dutch club is picking up all their wages.

With the FFR coming in, I think you will see them curbing this quite a bit.

This goes back to an earlier discussion we had that we would never follow that model and bring in players through our academy and buy when we needed.

Looking at our success I would say our system works as long as we have an academy that produces some talent and first team players.

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Whatever you think, their success in the last 10 years matches ours.

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The idea in principle is a good one but it rarely works for them due to the conflict between short term managers aiming for short term success v developing youngsters over time. I don't know why so many talented youngsters keep going there tbh. Having said, if they get courtois and lukaku involved next season they will be a great success i'm sure, and about time too, they're both more than ready.

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AJH

Read the owner has 800 million of warrants against the club mate. Basically if he calls them they are bankrupt and insolvent and not sure how you can say it is a successful model.

It is I guess one model as long as you can keep spending at that rate but the new rules are going to make it difficult for them to continue this way.

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Chelsea fan here. While I certainly respect your views and I too think it's not an ideal way to get youngsters in our first team, I disagree with some of your views on our academy.
We have some fantastic talents coming through our academy. Players like Loftus-Cheek, Boga, Brown, Musonda and many others are all outstanding young players.
Our academy has gone through a massive transformation because Roman decided to really invest in it. Not enough people realise CFC do have fantastic youth teams.

Good luck on Sunday. I reckon it could be a really interesting match.

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Shahram

I didn't say it was a successful model. I was pointing our that in the last 10 years they have won as many trophies as we have, I'm sure Chelsea fans are happy right now. They could only have dreamed about league and European titles before Abramovich. Whether we like it or not, there are more and more clubs becoming the playthings of rich owners. Chelsea have been the example that has delivered trophies with City now hot on their heels. I think Chelsea are classless and a horrid club but if you are a Chelsea fan, things look pretty rosy right now.

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AJH

I understand where you are coming from. I was just pointing out that you can't do what they did in the past with the new rules and regulation.

I also think clubs who have no culture and everything is acquired will find it difficult to have longterm success and more about little windows and purple patches.

At the end of the day you can't spend 100 million a year to keep winning as they are far and few clubs who can afford those sort of numbers.

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17 Jan 2014 19:02:26
I see DM saying there is no need to replace Ando cause we have Fletcher back. I posted a while back to wait for the "like a new signing" comments but I was only joking. No wonder we are not signing a new midfielder.

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Yeah, that's the only downside of Fletch's comeback.

I could see it coming, too. Like Scholes coming out retirement was like a new signing.

Oh well, we'll reap what we sow either way.

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17 Jan 2014 18:40:28
Do not be alarmed folks, but I am going to be optimistic in a peashooter sort of way and say that even though I don't think we will finish in the top 4 this year (though hope might be restored if we win at Chelsea on Sunday), I do believe both RVP and Rooney will stay next season just as long as we invest heavily in the sort of players they think will give us a chance to challenge for trophies.

We can let in as many goals as we have been doing this season just as long as we score 1 more per game. We would have had 12 more points and be top of the league.

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Rooney staying depends on if he signs a new contract. If he doesn't the club would have no choice but to sell.

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17 Jan 2014 17:28:49
Is there something magical, like an invisible force field, that won't allow us to bid beyond £30m? I'm getting weary of reading we are about to bid (not the clubs fault what stories the media makes up) £#mil for every player and yet no bids. What is the clubs fault are the amounts we bid and the, no value in the market, or worse "at the right price".

I've said before we cannot force players here nor force some clubs to sell. Some players however have buy out clauses and other teams use them. Surely a quick word in the players agents ear ( would he come?) that's not tapping up. Then selective bids. let's look at some players who are available in positions we need.

LB; Alex Sandro £20m
Alberto Moreno 25m Euros buy out clause, I think he'd reject us and choose RM but let's ask the question.
Fabiop Coentrao 40m euro but out clause, so let's not go there, but plenty of top pundits are saying RM would let him go for 18-20m

Midfield; Ander Herrera we apparently bid £30m in the summer AB said he could go for the buyout clause £36m. No idea if that is still their position.
Jorge Koke release clause £17m why isn't he here?
Iikay Gundogan Dortmund have certainly shown they can play hardball, not convinced they'd do it again so soon. A £30m would surely be hard to refuse for a player with 18 months contract left.
Arturo Vidal OK I'm cheating probably not available, but £50m would definitely make Juve think.

Playmaker; Reus £30m buy out clause.
Antoine Griezmann £25 m release clause
Mata ok cheating again but available, maybe not to us.

My choices, irrelevant but here goes, Sandro, Koke, Vidal, Reus or Griezmann. 100m- 120m 4 players job done. CB in the summer and normal investment £50 or so a year job done again. I'm so impressed with me this manager stuff is too easy lol if only.

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17 Jan 2014 18:15:43
But Mate, Are all these players willing to Move?

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17 Jan 2014 15:35:59
Ed now . heard that Intermilan are offering us Gurain?

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17 Jan 2014 16:19:19
God help us Sunday we are going to get eaten alive

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Have Chelsea signed Suarez?

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Bakes

Do I think United will win, no. Do I think we will get beaten, yes. However that is logic, whilst this club has been built and defined by our battles against adversity. We put a team out only days after the disaster and got to the cup final. I can remember in 77 beating the unbeatable Liverpool, in 79 beating them again at Goodison and beating the great Maradona led Barcelona three nil at Old Trafford in 84.
Rarely have we been such underdogs in recent years and whilst I don't think we will beat them I do expect a Manchester United team to show the same fighting spirit that defined our club over many years. It is a spirit seldom seen this season but it is a game on Sunday that demands it. We must see organisation, spirit and determination. If we lose we lose but there is no excuse for capitulation, that would be unforgivable

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Nice one, Gav :)

I have the same feeling I had before the Real Madrid game over there last season. Thought we would get embarrassed, but put in a cracking away performance.

I'd settle for the same score tomorrow. Hoping the lads all recognise that most people are expecting them to get beaten, and pride might spur them on.

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Have you upset Kim jong-un?

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17 Jan 2014 15:28:08
Not sure about everyone else, but if worst comes to worst and we do finish outside the top four (I don't think we will but just for talking's sake), I would rather we finished lower than a Europa League spot. Regardless of what happens this season, it WILL only be a blip and will not last long, when FFP etc comes in we will be not only still the biggest club in the world but also we will be able to spend as much as the rest on new players due to the vast numbers we generate worldwide. However, the EL would be an unwelcome distraction imo, if we weren't to make it into the CL then I would rather we had no European football at all and could just focus on strengthening our squad (players will still want to sign for us if we aren't in Europe for 1 year), getting a bit of momentum and pushing on trying to win the title in 2014/15.

Thoughts?


Steven

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You sound quite naive, ffp isn't going to stand up in my opinion, and being out of the champ league for one season could quite easily turn into 2 or more as it will most definately hinder us in the transfer market whilst the teams above us are able to strengthen with the quality signings that being in the champ league can offer thus widening the gap even further, to suggest that a world class player would choose us over guaranteed european football at say chelsea or city is very naive.

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Naive? You sound like you can't quite read properly. I did not say they would choose United over a UCL club. Not every signing is a competition between more than one club. If that was the case, why did Suarez go to Liverpool, when every single UCL club must surely have made offers as well? (Your logic, not mine.)

Any sensible replies are welcome, please do read the post thoroughly though.


Steven

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Midfield general, aside from the patronising tone of your post, if you think that Utd would still not be able to attract top players, because of a season out of Europe, then it is you who are maybe a bit naive.

Any number of top players joined City before they were in Europe, Suarez at Liverpool when they were nowhere near Europe, Erikson and Lamela at Spurs last summer, who finished fifth.

The list would be quite extensive - you could include Cabaye in there too.

There are several different reasons why a player would choose to join a club. European football is only one of them, especially if they recognise the project and rebuilding. If they're up for that challenge, then you know you have the right type of player in your side.

Steven, as for your main point, I agree, mate. A season out of Europe, providing we don't get top 4, would be no bad thing. We can take a hit for one season and concentrate on re-establishing ourselves in the league. It could prove to be a distraction that we just don't need.

It's not done Liverpool any harm - I think with their thinnish squad, Rodgers must be getting down on his knees every day and giving thanks for not being in Europe.

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17 Jan 2014 18:17:57
Stevie K.

If a player is watched by more than 1 club and apparently the club in Cl, Obviously the player would choose CL.
Or else. Its Money. Manchester City, had a bigger project. but Their pay cheaque was even bigger.

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Right then;liverpool had a free run at syarez, in england anyway, no ucl club was in for him from the prem, the players you use as examples actually make my point for me, they are all a level below the top top players that we need and are competing against with chelsea and city and the likes, you think cabaye would bridge the gap for us, yes you are that naive, i'm 41 been going to old teafford since the late 70's and l9ve the club, but I also like to talk the truth not just rubbish to make me feel better, ta ta

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Attitude, I think we all realise, if we don't qualify for ECL, then we might have to spend a bit more on wages, when we're competing directly for a player with teams who have qualified, but we still have enough other reasons to entice players to OT.

There are also many, many top players out there who would improve our team, and only so many places available, in only so many top teams that will be able to offer ECL football.

First and foremost, a player wants to play most weeks, and not just in minor cup matches. Any of the top midfielders know they would be regulars in our team.

A lot of panic here over comparison's with Liverpool's decline. The world is a much different place now. Utd, and you all can come back and shoot me if this turns out to be wrong, are too big now, to go down that road.

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Well MG, I beat you by a year, so ya boo sucks. Not that I have any idea why you brought your age into it - I know many naive 40 year olds.

So Cabaye, a French international, wouldn't be good enough for our team?

I think you're being naive about the current strength of our midfield, mate, if you think that he wouldn't improve it.

He was just an example. Utd, even when we were winning everything, never went out and managed to get the Zidanes, the Ronaldinhos, the Totti's etc. The truly great, established players. It was nearly always at the level just below were we got our players, the rough diamonds, the promising youngsters, or a top British talent.

And I can assure you if you were reading this site regularly, that Erikson and Lamela were often held up by many on here, as the sort of players we should be looking to bring to OT.

My point still stands, ECL is not the be all and end all in attracting top talent. Maybe if prospective players thought we were on a never-ending, spiralling decline, they might think twice, but that is not the case.

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Get in the young hungry players with a point to prove and ambition to drag us back to the top. Better than over paid mercs anyway.

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Midfield general I have to agree with Steve if you think Cabaya is not good enough you are wrong and to say if we have no ucl football next season we will not be able to sign big players your wrong again. I have supported united my whole life and just because your not at the top for one season then your finished is foolish and you seem to write and sound like a teenager not a 41 year old but I give you the benefit of being just a fool

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Steve non of your points stand fella, cabaye may be better than what we've got at the min but he doesn't close the gap on the teams above us as he isn't as good as what they have, i'm speaking slowly for you know so you understand.

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Midfield general, you are a tad patronising my friend. People have made good points but you are simply choosing to ignore them. You seem to be obsessed with signing marque names, something we have rarely done. You may have been going to OT since the late 70's but clearly haven't been paying attention. Name me the world class players we signed that other teams were desperate for in the last 10 years. That has never been our approach. Domestically perhaps, but not internationally.

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Ouch, Kate. Remind me never to get on the wrong side of you :)

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17 Jan 2014 15:11:47
just heard a rumour that jones now requires a knee op, due to him being given a cortisone injection by the utd medical staff that went wrong.dot know how true this is but apparently he, s a bit p***ed off with the club for causing the problem hope this is not true but the guy who told me is riends with phils family

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Haha I'm sorry but this made me laugh so much. All these 'rumours' about at the moment about players getting pi**ed off with the new United staff make it sound like it's the Chuckle brothers that have taken over. It's all so dramatic and clearly made up.

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Doubt it. Jones and fellaini were involved in training today.

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17 Jan 2014 14:56:20
i wish liverpool would of went for anderson in the january transfer window, ah well, too late now, what a missed opportunity.
ps, not for football reasons, but he would of been great to front our new advertising campain for the multi-million pound gobal deal we signed with dunkin donuts lol.

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I like a bit of banter but this is terrible, the donut joke was done about 2 days ago, keep up.

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I'm sure Jan Molby, razor and John Barnes are lurking about to help. You probably don't remember them though, before you were born when you won stuff.
Anderson's probably got more medals than your whole squad put together.

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17 Jan 2014 13:42:41
Does Moyesy have a press conference today?

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{Ed002's Note - Yes, now.}

No Rooney,
No Van Persie,

No hope ;)

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No signings!

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I was thinking hope might be back in time to plug the gap in midfield. We should play 4-3-3 with fletcher, jones and carrick in midfield then januzaj and kagawa behind welbeck. This would mean we do not lose the midfield battle.

I was really hoping for a new left back before the Chelsea game, if hazard moves over to the right we are in big trouble, he is their match winner.

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17 Jan 2014 14:38:42
Sydney

Thats ok. Not worried about result, Need to see the Attitude of the players, The Will, Determination, Spirit, let's Judge all those this weekend.

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There goes the transfer window, we are finished now.

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Did he say anything about signings coming in?

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I think we need to start Welbeck upfront on his own and pack the midfield. Hope we can snatch a point. But with the player's confidence gone and us being without our two best players it's going to be an uphill struggle.

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Did Moyes confirm no signings this window?

Not that it would be the gospel truth, I know.

But no signings, no top 4 in my opinion. Which would then mean a massive struggle to make quality signings this summer. Then its January again.

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As for the Chelsea game, I'd be happy with a draw but I can see a low-scoring but comfortable win for them. 2-0 maybe.

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I hope to god that Moyes finally starts Kagawa in the number 10 role, he's the only player that can do as good job as Rooney there. Januzaj is suited to the wings at this stage in his career.

Fingers crossed we don't get smashed to bits.

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I still have a feeling rooney will be on the bench

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LOL it was a joke, you guys are sure edgy. Believe me things will look a lot better in a few weeks no matter how this window goes.

Oh god not I have to listen to andy grey and richard keys and try and not puke.

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17 Jan 2014 13:13:08
looks like rooney is training on his own, but jones and wig head are joining in Full Training.

Would be good to have Jones in the middle this weekend

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17 Jan 2014 11:52:38
The Fiorentina Twitter feed is showing a photo of Anderson having his medical. Not a flattering photo.

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He's holding his stomach in somewhat.

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That's the thinnest I've seen him look in 6 and half years.

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I just saw that and he is definitely not football fit and no wonder his struggles. Carrying way too much weight. Hope he passes lol.

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17 Jan 2014 11:13:47
I must say that I feel sorry for Zaha, apparently he stormed out of Carrington today as Moyes has blocked him from going out on loan. I hope he gets some first team action, his career his going backwards and his talent is being wasted - something that I don't like to see. He has to get some game time soon surely, he is the type of player that we need that will run at defences.

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You know my view on this subject. manager is the boss, they should ship him out permanently if that is true.

He does nothing for me to be honest so I can see why he is not getting game time.

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If this is true, what is Moyes playing at? If you don't rate him, send him away if you do, play him.

SAF can't be happy about the way Moyes is treating Zaha seen as though Fergie bought the lad.

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Love Zaha or hate him(I'm undecided) the way we are treating him is unacceptable imo. He shows flashes of brilliance but gives the ball away way too often But at 21 he really needs competitive game time for us ( if we keep him) and certainly for his own development. Either let him go on loan or play him.

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He either has to play or he has to be sold, it's as simple as that. If he isn't going out on loan then it looks like he is going to play, perhaps.

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If Nani is going then makes sense to keep Zaha in the squad. If Moyes doesn't fancy himto start but wants to keep him in the squad that's his right as manager. Let's not forget who pays his wages. Besides, he's made the bench a bit lately. Not being in the team should be motivation to try harder to impress in training, not a reason to have a strop. Just my opknion.

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We can't fairly judge him until he has had some game time, either here or out on loan. Looks like it may be here if his loan has been blocked but who knows, he could just sit on the bench some more. Not sure why he has given Januzaj all these chances and not Zaha, don't get me wrong, Januzaj should be given all these chances but Zaha should get some too - at least in the cups.

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There was a lot of criticism for how SAF treated and lost Pogba and whilst I don't suggest Zaha is as good he at least deserves a chance either on loan or here.
There again I am not surprised at GCU defending Moyes

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Red Man, SAF didn't lose Pogba and SAF told us exactly what Pogba was. A greedy little sh!te. The editor has repeatedly told us what happened with Pogba and people repeatedly ignore him. The fact remains that Pogba was hawking himself around Europe 12 months before he left us.

In regards to Zaha, I cannot understand why he isn't getting a chance as he is a good player. I do believe it's a personal reason as to why he isn't playing. If that is so then that's poor management on his part.

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Sydney

I honestly don't think Pogba was soley to blame. This kid should of been playing first team football the season before he left, he was good enough then.
He continued to use Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Phil Jones and even Rafael in front of him.
Yes Pogba's agent may of been hawking himself out to every tom, dick and harry but I think that the problems started before that when Pogba wasn't getting the playing time he should of been getting because Fergie wouldn't let go of certain players.
Would you honestly want to continue at a club where for two seasons you being told "your not far off the first team" and then getting to the game to find out all the midfielders are injured and your still not in the side becasuse the manager prefers a 39 year old left winger or a 37 year old midfielder that has retired once already or even a right back in a central midfield area.
The bottom line is nobody knows what happened apart from Pogba, Fergie and Pogba's agent.
The problem is everyone believes Fergies story.

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Sydney

The treatment of Zaha is more my concern now as we can't do anything about Pogba without spending a lot of money however the fact was Rafael and Park were preferred in central midfield to Pogba by SAF. Let's not get away from the way Zaha is being handled and it is hard to see a reason why he isn't getting even a sniff of a chance when the wastrel Nani had many

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Simmo, Pogba was trying to leave 'BEFORE' he broke into the first team. Whilst he was winning the FA youth cup with the U18's. 'BEFORE' the season that you are talking about even kicked off. Like the Ed said, it was nothing to do with playing time and I think SAF knew that. It's not a Surprise as Pogba done what he did to us at all of his previous clubs and he will do it again.

He is a fabulous player and IMO will be the best of his type in a few years, but his career will be based on money. He will go to whoever pays him and his agent the most money. I have nothing against that as he will play for some very special teams in his career, but he is all about the money and SAF said as much. If you had a player who was special like Pogba and you knew he was stalling in contract negotiaitons to leave the club, would you play him?

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REDMAN

Where have you been BTW, oh I forgot we won our last game and you disappeared.

Given that many are expecting us to lose this weekend, here you come again and I expect the frequency of your drivel to increase as we get closer to the game and then god help you if we get a result, because your will suddenly disappear again.

Pathetic if you ask me, since you don't know anything about what has happened but would rather back the player than the manager.

You are correct in saying I will back the manager than some overrated 21 year old.

He deserves what the club and the manger want from him as they pay his wages and if they deem it appropriate to keep him at OT then it is their decision.

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Red Man, I agree, that's why it can only be a personal matter between player and manager. I think he wants him away from Manchester United, but nowhere near London.

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We will never know what would of happened if fergy had of put faith in pogba.
He may of been looking for a move but a run as a first team regular and the offer of a good contract may of changed his mind .

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{Ed002's Note - He would have left.}

I don't think he is ready for the first team, maybe the bench.
There has been rumours about his attitude a few times now and if this true its just an other example.
If your not doing it in training you won't get picked.
Also if there are attitude problems maybe maybe moyes wants to keep an eye on him rather than let him go out on loan.

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GCU

When you are on the losing side of arguments you get childishly abusive. You keep trying to baulk up the case for Moyes but the evidence isn't there and it must be difficult for you. I have posted on here for some time and will post regardless whether it gets you all in a tis like it has done.

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No disrespect ed, but I'm not sure how anybody can know what might of happened .
He might of had a crap season, might of got injured, might of been amazing and got a mega contract if United.
I'm not saying he wasn't looking for a move but things change and people change there minds for me we will never know.

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{Ed002's Note - He was going to leave - I spent the entire season telling you that. It was known from day one. The only thing that was unexpected was a bid for him in the January that was rejected.}

Sydney

I agree with you then loan him somewhere else away from London

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I think is to damn easy and convenient to blame Pogba.

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Jred, now with that in mind, picture SAF over and over telling the world what a great player Pogba will be and every time Pogba went into a room for contract talks, whatever they were, whatever was offered, he would turn them down. Can imagine how much that must have hurt our manager? No wonder he had a bust up or two with him. And no wonder SAF never gave him any game time.

I am gutted we couldn't keep him, but I am confident MU done what they could to keep him.

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Syd
I don't believe anyone can know what would of happened if fergy had of given the lad 30 games.

If fergy really wanted to keep him and if it's true he was offered a big contract I'm guessing he did, I just think he would of been better off given the lad a game .

Would it of changed his mind probably not but imo we will never know. but stranger things have happened.

Maybe one day fergy will look back and say, I could of handled it better, or maybe not

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Agree with jred how could anybody no wot was going on behind closed doors! apart from the manager pogba and his agent!

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Im with Syd and ed2 on this one, pogba always seemed destined to leave. I think that was known to be the case even as early as the previous summer which is why I don't think game time was the deciding factor at all. A huge shame as he is precisely what we have needed. I don't think pogba is the bad guy at all, he actually seemed happy to be at the club at times, I believe it purely comes down to his agents vision for him i.e. Flog him as much as possible. Just my opinion.

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Jred, nail on the head again, my friend. If he was good enough, and showing enough in training, he would be playing.

Most on here have seen him in a few pre-season games which he did ok in, yet they're prepared to risk any progress the team is making at this stage, by calling for him to be thrown in.

Moyes trusts Valencia to work hard. He obviously doesn't trust Zaha yet.

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Didn't P Nev say something about he was not quite up to the level required of the prem mentally yet?

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Redman

Please keep posting, I am going to have a lot of fun with you later in the year and would not want it any other way.

Can I ask you why you only post when we look like having a difficult fixture or after a bad result. Are you one that gets satisfaction from others failure to improve/elevate yourself as a critic and constantly say I told you so.

I mean does anyone need you to tell us with RVP, Rooney out we are looking at a setback at the bridge, That is really deep I have to say and some analysis by you :)

I look forward to reading your post match views BTW.

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GCU

You have only become so particularly active recently and appear to be absolutely desperate to get everyone round to your opinion. I have been on here for some time before you started your recent campaign although I know you were less aggressive previously. I will post when I have time and when I have something to add but I have posted many times and not just in the manner you make out, perhaps you only read what you want to.

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REDMAN

My posting does not change with wins or losses or transfer fever season and quite consistent. Yours is a direct correlation of set backs and your constant negativity.

The problem is you keep saying the same stuff man and it is always the same fear mongering. Never anything on formation, players, transfer, etc etc

It is just the same thing but communicated differently " Moyes is fault" Yesterday's pears of wisdom.

1.Zaha is being mistreated and Moyes is wrong.
2. The team will lose at Chelsea and has shown no fight "Moyes at fault"

Any insightful stuff for today? maybe a quote of the day to inspire all of us :)

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GCU

This last post shows both your desperation and inaccuracy

My thoughts on Moyes are very clear but I have posted many many times on formations, players, tactics and transfers over at least three years to my knowledge. It remains obvious that you suddenly upped your posting in strong support of Moyes and try to belittle the posters you disagree with. I saw your rather childish comments about Nomidfield whose opinions you also seem to want to dismiss. It will not make any difference to me, you carry on with whatever drives you but when you finally back your suspiciously overly pro Moyes opinion with some facts I might have a reasoned discussion with you.

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Ouch

I am going to take my ball and go play outside now.

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17 Jan 2014 11:09:47
The only worry I have right now is that Anderson doesn't fail his medical at Fiorentina.

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17 Jan 2014 11:16:40
h. lols. that's indeed a worrying factor.

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Once they see the hotel food bill they might renegotiate the terms:)

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He was holding his stomach in a bit on the picture that Fiorentina tweeted.

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17 Jan 2014 10:06:04
So Anderson has his medical today in Florence will this be the domino Affect we hope for and a midfielder brought in to replace him or is it the return of Fletcher that has brought this on or is Powell or Pearson going to join the first team, I would like us to buy a central mid and see Tom Cleverly sold or loaned and Pearson get on the bench.

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17 Jan 2014 10:23:13
And that's more than 20 mill Loss on this player.
Anderson lad. hope u play well there and they seal a permenant deal.

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{Ed002's Note - Another example showing why we don't discuss finances. There is no loss on Anderson.}

17 Jan 2014 10:59:33
Ed02. sorry. that's a very important info. As there are too many stuppid articles in the paper.
But Hows that a no loss, I mean We bought him for 27 mill, If you could can you explain?

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't want to get in to the finances - it really looks like you have no understanding off them at all.}

Given that the deal is a loan deal I fail to see how we've lost anything. The papers are also conveniently forgetting that we actually paid for Ando in Euros (26m rings a bell). When we signed him the Euro was a lot weaker than it is now.

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@ Attitude, a basic grasp of finances helps . I'ts all about initial fee paid and return on investment . In his time with Utd the league was won 4 times, the CL once although 3 finals were reached, a couple of league cups, a world club cup and a couple of Charity shields . There is prize monwey associated with all these wins and there is the TV money also but as important are the commercial revenues that being champions bring . So when you put all the prize money, tv deal money & commercial revenues gained as a result of success which Anderson played a part in then you can arrive at the conclusion that financially there was no loss . There is a loss in respect that we had hoped he could become a world class player but injuries etc kind of skewed that one .

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I think what the Ed is politely trying to say is that Ando's value has been written down to zero over the course of his contract(s). Any sell on is effectively a profit at this stage. Good luck to the lad, a rare character.

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Its a bit concerning though. we'e having a nightmare season for injuries and we're letting players go without bringing in replacements.

That could come back to bite us.

Or, perhaps we have someone lined up to come in before the window closes?

Either way, Anderson needed to be shipped out, this squad needs a major refresh - out with the old, in with the new.

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As I understand it, there are 2 costs associated with a player. The transfer fee and the wages. The transfer fee is amortized for expense purposes over the contract period. So if a player costs 20m for 4 years then the expense per year in the books will be 5m plus the wages. So if we sell that player after 3 years for 5m then, yes, we will be getting less than we paid for him, but in the year of sale we would recognize no loss because 15m would have already been written off the players value. If we sold him for 10m then our books would show a 5m profit. In other words players are treated the same way for accounting purposes as machinery in a manufacturing plant.

My guess with Anderson is that he has already been pretty much been fully depreciated from an asset point of view, so any sale will yield a profit. Plus we reduce our wage bill by 80k per week, which I believe is what he earned from sitting on the bench.

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{Ed002's Note - There are a lot more costs than the transfer fee and the wages both when a player is purchased and then during his time with the club. As a taster, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

Then of course once he is at the club there are administration fees, allowances for expenses, insurance costs, NI contributions, etc. etc..}

@Attitude

Ed002 has amortized you. Now go stand in the corner and serve your punishment.

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Attitude, Anderson cost €30m, in June 2007 that equated to around £20m.

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17 Jan 2014 12:37:55
Dougal Marriue.

I have a simple question. you buy a pair of shoes XX pounds. and then use it for 2 years. and then scrap it. what's the situation there?. are you on profit or loss. or neutral?.
Anderson was alos paid wage?. how much was that for all these years?.
But I would certainly like to know How is this not a loss. Which also means most of the UTD players who won some medals with us all would go for a profit?

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{Ed002's Note - You need to drop all of this financial stuff. This should have gone far enough know for all to see the reason I don't wish to go in to it.}

@ attitude . So you are comparing Anderson to a pair of shoes . Anyway it depends on what your budget is for shoes, what you hope to achieve with your shoes and ultimately the use of the shoes . Are they a shoe you propose to use as often as possible like every day . If that is the case and you get 2 full years out of the shoes I would say you have not made a loss . What cost were the shoes? this is important . Profit ould only come into it when you decide your shoe budget and also if you intended on selling the shoes on

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17 Jan 2014 13:19:05
RedFaith

Which was your last post?. I need to have a look.

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Ed002,

I think it is safe to say the last 2 posts are 'point proved'.

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OMG never get in an argument with a girl over shoes. Remember the saying;

Heaven hath no wrath
like love to hatred turned
nor hell a fury
as a woman scorned (deprived of shoes)

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17 Jan 2014 14:24:22
Dougal.

Whats your point Mate. A player bought at 27 mill from a club spend years in the bench and sold to Fiorentina for 5, 4 mill (If they decides to buy him in the summer).
Then Most of our Deadwoods would go at Profit. Ashley young, Nani, since they all were part of the title winning UTD team.
If the Eds, says It not a Loss, then I agree, But your whole point doesn't add up anything.

Ed02, don't wanna bother you in this Question.

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17 jan 2014 14:27:16
titude . so you are comparing anderson to a pair of shoes . anyway it depends on what your budget is for shoes, what you hope to achieve with your shoes and ultimately the use of the shoes . are they a shoe you propose to use as often as possible like every day . if that is the case and you get 2 full years out of the shoes i would say you have not made a loss . what cost were the shoes? this is important . profit ould only come into it when you decide your shoe budget and also if you intended on selling the shoes on

do you honeslty believe a common man would look itno such before buying a shoe??.
i bought a shoe, and i would wear when i wish to (it has nothing to do with the quality, as it should remain same ) the only thing which reduces is his value known as depreciation value if its been used. but its stil my asset.

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@ attitude . The point is total cost of ownwership . How long was Andersons initial contract? This is the important part of this as this determines the period of time that Utd feel that the investment will have broken even, made a profit or made a loss . It's like any business where a contract is involved, the potential for a return . Why do u think the perm deal value is set a £5million ( if the loan is successful ). Do u think Utd will accept a loss? Look at commercial revenues in the period that Anderson has been at the club . The chevrolet deal is worth a reported £357million and a lot of the other deals put in place also gate receipts TV money, merchandising etc more than offset the investment in players, fee's and wages . Also in relation to some of the list Ed02 posted, nearly all the vat mentioned is reclaimable, also some of the services provided are a tax write off .
Also it doesn't matter if he sat on the bench the point is he contributted to the clubs success over a 6.5yr spell a successful squad . Your point re Young, if he was to go now you would need to see a sizeable return on a transfer fee asd he 2 years at Utd so his value has not been offset yet .
If you don't get it now there is no point in me explaining anymore .

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Thanks ed for the pong explanation even though you didn't need to. Ed, aren't there also other variable costs such as appearance, goals, trophy add ons etc? Would these add ons generally be reflected in a transfer fee on paper up front? Or are they variables that tend to be on top of quoted transfer fees? I.e. Quoted transfer fees rarely get completely paid as a player doesn't fulfill all the terms of a contract of sale by the time he transfers again or retires. Obviously understand if you don't feel the need to answer. Would just be interesting to know a bit more. Also don't understand why agents fees are non-reclaim able. I would imagine an agent operating from a tax haven would have an advantage.
What would stop any club from having their main office in Jersey and paying everything through it? I think arsenal used to or still do use this type of set-up from jersey to pay their players. Hence apparently a smaller wage structure but actually tax free.

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17 Jan 2014 18:27:40
Dougal.

@ attitude . The point is total cost of ownwership . How long was Andersons initial contract? This is the important part of this as this determines the period of time that Utd feel that the investment will have broken even, made a profit or made a loss . It's like any business where a contract is involved, the potential for a return . Why do u think the perm deal value is set a £5million ( if the loan is successful ). Do u think Utd will accept a loss? Look at commercial revenues in the period that Anderson has been at the club . The chevrolet deal is worth a reported £357million and a lot of the other deals put in place also gate receipts TV money, merchandising etc more than offset the investment in players, fee's and wages . Also in relation to some of the list Ed02 posted, nearly all the vat mentioned is reclaimable, also some of the services provided are a tax write off .
Also it doesn't matter if he sat on the bench the point is he contributted to the clubs success over a 6.5yr spell a successful squad . Your point re Young, if he was to go now you would need to see a sizeable return on a transfer fee asd he 2 years at Utd so his value has not been offset yet .
If you don't get it now there is no point in me explaining anymore .

Hah. Mate. You are trying to defend your comment.

1. Fiorentina or any club, If willing to buy a player after a successful Loan will have a fee in place, which unfortunately is 5 mill.

2. Can you explain what did he contributed?

3. what about the wages we paid over the 27 mill Transfer fees for all the 6 years.

4, List the Benefit, the club had in keeping Anderson as a player? Both commercially or Financially, Anderson didn't contribute anything.
He was not the best player, nor his shirt was sold at high rates, he has nothing to do with any of the sponsorship deals the club had those times.

5. Finally, Who in case would be a loss to any club, If Anderson is a profit?.

There would some reasons eds claimed to be a no loss status. I am not aware. Nor you have a clue.

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Dougal, I'd stop now, mate :)

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17 Jan 2014 09:27:01
Hey Ed. What do you think of the present situation of transfer activity of #MUFC?
Whom do you expect #MUFC will sign by the end of Feb 1?

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{Ed002's Note - RTFP.}

17 Jan 2014 10:23:49
RTFP is an excelent player. he would blossom our Midfield.

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Rumour is RTFP won't be signed because of the "no value in the market" situation.

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17 Jan 2014 03:07:09
Alright lads like to come on here and apologise for my last post, wasn't trying to be a **** was trying to have a bit of banter but over stepped the mark a little. Was just trying to make a few valid points that probably could have been done in a more mature manner. Heat of the Moment thing lol

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{Ed004's Note - That's nb I may have gone over the top as well. If so, sorry}

Didn't see the posts but always admire someone that knows how to apologise. :-)

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Valley and Ed04, that is so beautiful. I'm filling up here :)

Seriously Valley, there was no need for an apology. No-one died, no sleep was lost, you didn't personally insult anyone.

Your post did remind me of something one of our posters said the other day though. Along the lines of, if I knew just how much other fans would be rubbing this in our face, I would have gloated a lot more over the last 20 years :)

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17 Jan 2014 01:05:03
Sydney, I saw a thread about you banging on about how it's wrong City/Chelsea/Pool are bank rolled by their owners. Just how do you think United's dominance started? due to Edwards throwing countless piles of cash into the club.

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You think United didn't have their own money back then too?

Don't be daft.

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Under Martin Edwards, the club was run on a self sustaining and debt averse basis. United was extrremely profitable. Then came the Glazers IPO. If it had not been for the enormous debt and interest burden, which has seen 640m go out of the club on financial costs rather than on players, we would be able to compete financially with the Citys Chelseas and PSGs. As it is we cannot.

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Have we not had a very succesful period both on and off the field since the Glazers took over, yes we have a debt to service but our turnover and profit blows the Edwards era out the water, we haven't seen the investment at Carrington but OT is one if not the best stadium in world football when you take match day income into account.
City, Chealsea&PSG will never match us both on and off the field.
Finally let's wait and see how the Glazers back our new(long term) manager in the coming months not to forget the new kit deal which is imminent.Yes Peashooter we are in a right mess!

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Johnny if you don't think city are a threat on or off the field then take off your rose tinted specs.they are now a settled side with probably the best squad in europe and will probably add more to that.chelsea will never perform better off the pitch but since 2005 we have won 9 trophys exc community shield chelsea have won 11

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City are a threat so are Chealsea & PSG, but their business models go against the rules(that will never be applied)their commercial deals are all linked to their owners everybody knows their robbing Peter to pay Paul but fortunately we are a different organisation if the Glazers want out they stand to make a massive profit, if the owners of the above mentioned want out then not only will they lose a fortune that does not matter to them but more importantly the fans could end up like Leeds Utd do you remember them!
Be grateful and appreciate what we have otherwise you will become Screwed up like our scouse freinds

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{Ed002's Note - This is simply a mass of misinformation.}

I don't have a problem with a wealthy owner gifting cash to his club. As long as the club isn't at risk should they walk then money into football is a good thing for the game imo.

Setting that aside, any of us United fans that moan about City's spending are just jealous of the squad they've put together. And who wouldn't be - I'd love to have Kompany, Yaya, Silva, Aguero etc wearing red.

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