Manchester United Banter Archive March 17 2012

17 Mar 2012 23:47:43
hi utd fans , dont take any notice of any post in my name , the ed has aready took one post off that was using my name , whoever it was is a pri#k , after what happened to the bolton player , i would not post anything , even on the lpool page , just like you guys , i wish him a good recovery from the shocking event , cheers..............lfc {Ed007's Note - That shouldn't have happened lfc, your name is tagged. Apologises about that. If I had seen something like that from you it would have been suspicious right away.}

17 Mar 2012 20:53:13
Fabrice Muamba, thoughts and prayers are with you and your family through this difficult time.

Sanshine

17 Mar 2012 19:22:08
Right, I don't really post on here but i've finally decided to give my thoughts. I hope you can see the sense in them.

Firstly, i'd just like to say that we need a big squad, we fight on many fronts every season and getting rid of good players is non sensical in my view - although 'dead wood' must go and there can be no room for sentiment. So:

GK: The only possible work here will be that Johnstone takes over from Amos as the number 3. But no signings whatsoever will even be considered.

Defence: The full back areas are of primary concern for me as i think both are weak. Whilst we need experience, i don't that we need Evra's influence anymore as i think on the pitch it is negative. He seems lazy, gets skinned often etc and is generally a liability. I think the most likely replacement for him is Aly Cissokho, i would like Alba but with the possible downfall of Abidal, he will probably head to Barca. At right back Rafael is very raw still and injury prone, also Smalling and Jones need more games in the middle, so, we need a good right back. I'd go for the boy from Marseille that we have been tracking, Azplicueta. He looks decent and has performed very well in the CL.

At center back we are doing ok, Ferdinand will be here one more season, Vidic has two or three left in him depending on his recovery and then we have Evans who is doing nicely and Jones/Smalling who will be a future pairing. I would like to gradually see Ferdinand eased out with Smalling playing in more games, but that is a gradual process. Some on here think someone like Benatia would be good, but i think money is better spent elsewhere.

Midfield: Like in defence, there is work to be done. A central midfielder should be bought, two if Pogba signs his soul away to Juve. Pogba will be a good box2box player for us, as is Fletcher and Anderson. Cleverly, Scholes and Carrick are the passers in the team. Now, generally in the great teams that we have had, we go with a passer and a runner/bully (Scholes and Keane for example). SAF clearly trusts in Cleverly, and i think he will be perfectly paired with Pogba. But football is a squad game, and Carrick, Giggs, Scholes are all coming to the end of the road. So that leaves us with Cleverly, Pogba and Anderson. I think we need to add to that, and i'm going to say go for Martinez even though we have a battle. The reason being is he embodies all the qualities that we need, strong, powerful and a good passer. He can also fill in at center back so therefore we don't need to waste 10 million on a center back like some think that we need. I'd also sign Kovacic at the end of the season on a free, no risk, but bags of potential and CL experience already.

On the wings, Park is not effective any longer. Our best wingers in a list are Valencia, Nani, Young. I wasn't convinced with Young when we bought him, he has been ok and is a squad player. I think if we signed another winger and had 4 good ones with two outstanding ones then we have lots of options. I have to go with Hazard, what a player he is going to be. If need be i suppose Nani could be sold but id be loathed to lose him.

Forwards: King, Macheda, Owen and Berbatov are going to have no effect on our team and are best off pursuing their careers elsewhere. The only man i'm hoping for is Higuain. I think he is going to be available for a decent fee in the summer also, Cavani will be Madrid's number one target and Benzema is favoured over Higuain. A partnership of him and Rooney is something to die for, it would be one of the best in the world (and he's only 24 i think).

So, the line up:

_____________De Gea
Azpilicueta_Smalling_Vidic_Cissokho
Valencia__Martinez__Cleverly__Hazard
_________Rooney___Higuain

This would of course come at a cost - £100 million i'd say, but we could recoup about £25 million, so a £75 million out lay is a high but necessary expenditure in my eyes.

Obviously i don't think that all of this will happen, but i hope that some of it will.

EJ20

17 Mar 2012 18:55:21
Hi Guys
Eds I have left a post on the Bolton page and I'm not sure if its come out properly.Please do your best because I think its important that they realise that true football fans come together at times like this.
Thankyou

Bazza The Red {Ed007's Note - I don't cover the Bolton page Bazza but I have let the other Eds know.}

17 Mar 2012 18:40:54
The Glazer family (owners of ManUtd) need to realize that if we want to take our international competitions seriously, we need to start spending money and bring in some serious talent. Manchester United is easily one of the best football clubs in the world and that is mostly from the philosophy of taking unknown talent at a young age and training them up. I have always loved that about them, but there is nothing wrong with buying players either. WE NEED TO. Manchester City have spent over $1 billion in the last 3 years SOLELY on bringing in new talent. We definitely need at least 2 new center mids (preferably Sneijder and Modric), definitely a right back (plenty of all-star quality available at this position in the world), and definitely a world-class striker in front of Rooney. There are innumerous strikers out there that could help take our club to the next level. I am praying that we sign Robin Van Persie (not the youngest guy, but still has gas in the tank). RVP is sick... but Benzema is very young and is probably our best option. He may be worth the same price as RVP and get twice the amount of years out of him. Real Madrid is my second favorite team and I have always loved Benzema. Higuain is a quality striker, but not as young, fast, or flashy as Benzema. Hoping the Glazers FINALLY spend some serious money picking up some world-class all-stars before Rooney decides to leave. He has warned us and threatened us with what will happen if the owners don't bring in major talent around him...

17 Mar 2012 15:34:18
I lost any respect I had for Tel 1749 when he came out with a load of stats supporting his belief that Jay Spearing was better than any young player at our club. 95% completed passes. The ball might be flowing through him but it's to the other side Tel. Nearly wet myself. If jay spearing is your standard for a shining beacon of football ability then your going to be needing some different tablets.
We may need changes to our side which hopefully be addressed in the summer but you need worry about your lot and £35 million spent on a knuckle-dragger.

17 Mar 2012 14:25:32
heres some stats me and a few others got earlier

rooney 29goals this season 7 assists and 132shots
he has 5 headers 3 with weak foot 20 with right doesnt say the last one 4 braces 2 hattricks
26% of his goals have come from outside the box
5 offsides all season

aguero 23goals this season 7 assists 115shots
he has 0 headers 5 with left foot 18 with right 3 braces and 1 hattrick
13% of his goals have been outside box
25 offsides this season

rvp 32 goals this season 9 assists with 145shots
2 headers 18 with left foot 12 with right 5 braces 2 hattricks
6% of his goals are from outside the box
37 offsides this season

now heres a surprise
disciplinary this season

rooney 22 fouls 1 yellow
aguero 57 fouls 2 yellows
rvp 28 fouls 6 yellows

defensively
rooney 3 blocks 9 clearances
aguero nothing
rvp 2 blocks 28 clearances

dont see anything about total games but its rvp then aguero then rooney (most to least) i think


aguero scoring rate = exactly 1 goal per 5 shots
rooney =1 goal per 4.551shots
rvp= 1 goal per 4.531 shots

rvp and rooney are almost exactly the same aguero is a bit worse off

make up your mind whos best

17 Mar 2012 11:55:09
islam feruz anyone

17 Mar 2012 08:34:01
LFC fan here and once again i will give you my honest assesment of where United are:
1) there are too many old players in your squad aka Ferdinand, Carrick, Giggs, Scholes, Evra, Owen, Berbatov. They were all world class players in their day, but sadly father time has caught up with them and they need replacing. Cost to replace like for like? £200 million
2) You may win the league this season but you cant cover the cracks for too long, Scholes has been your savious this season undoubtedly, which really says something eh ? Personally I think City will clinch it, the derby game could be the decider for the title, and although you may not like it, they are the better team undoubtedly.
3) You have some brilliant young guns, but also some very over rated ones. For me Wellbeck and Smalling will definitely make it. I personally dont rate Jones , who runs around the pitch like a headless chicken ( aka Steve Bruce ). Cleverly was very poor against Bilbao. Your young guns are not going to save United.
4) You have world class players in Rooney and Valencia, but if United dont win the league, I can honestly see Rooney leaving. He nearly left last year and may realise that he made a big mistake by not moving. Who can blame him if United dont spend BIG in the summer ?
5) Fergie was given his early warning in last years embarassing European Cup final. United were made to look awful and Fergie had no answer to the skill and tactical awareness of FCB. He has learnt NOTHING since then and his arrogance has been his undoing. When battered by City this year his response was 'it didnt happen, lets just forget about it!' Bilbao have once again demonstrated that the United of old has well and truly gone and no-one in Europe of the Premiership for that matter, fears United. Im afarid its time for him to retire, he has achieved a lot in his career but he is way too old for the young managers who are now ruling the roost at the tope of Europes elite.
6) last but not least, this is not a personal crusade to wind you guys up, it is just my honest assesment.

ps by the way, for those interested, my treatment seems to be working and the nurses are looking even younger, wehey!....oops my teeth just fell out, time for my leek and potato soup. God I hate those plastic bibs they put on me.......:-)

Tel 1949