Manchester United Banter Archive March 17 2018

17 Mar 2018 23:06:27
Koppite waving white hanky
Just curious why you think Jose is adopting this tactic of everyone is to blame except himself, De Gea and Matic?
It’s either his way of challenging the club to spend £300M + in the summer or he wants to goad them into sacking him so he can pick up Millions and head to PSG for some more €’s
He is supposed to be the master psychologist, very odd challenging your own players and supporters like this.

{Ed007's Note - That white hanky better not be your wankrag pal, we're not having that kind of thing in here! Not when Ed004's not about.}

17 Mar 2018 23:20:59
Ed I can’t even feel it after coming in from the coldest game in memory. I reckon your game will have been even colder at the later kick off time.
Watch Mourinho’s interview on the BBC, one word. baffling.

{Ed007's Note - My game's not on until tomorrow mate. The sun's splitting the trees and it's 25 degrees up here in sunny Hamilton - I've been running about in a banana-hammock and muscle top cooking BBQ for 2/3 weeks now.}

17 Mar 2018 23:35:22
Ha, well the weather down here is definitely t-shirt weather and shorts for you then Ed
Who are the might Hamilton Accies playing?

{Ed007's Note - The wee mini Hoops are holding their own and it looks like they'll survive in the top league for another year, which is all they aim for so that's seen as a success. The big Hoops are on course for another Treble and St Brendan of The Rodgers is forging ahead with our plans for world domination - so it's all good in the 'hood up here, what about you down in the land of The Boswells?}

17 Mar 2018 23:37:18
Becuase they deserve it. Some players need to wake up and show desire, determination and will power to help the club move forward.

He is right in saying a Manchester United player needs to have that passion about how they play when they get on that pitch.

These giys are paid loads of money so if they can't perform the way the manager is asking them to then i am sorry they don't deserve to be playing in the team. They are not playing for a charity or doing anyone any favours by playing for United.

They get rewarded for what they do so rightly so should be criticised. There is ni place for sentiments when you go out to play infront of 70000 plus people who expect the very least which is show the will to try, desire and if they end up losing atleast they could look in the mirror and said well i atleast tried.

Right now more then half the team looks like they don't give a toss or just don't try hard enough.

They are not exactly asked to walk on fire or go to war. They are playing football something which they love and should be pruveledged as there are many people out there that would love to be in their shoes and will do 10x better then them.

17 Mar 2018 23:43:03
Is Brendan heading to arsenal ed.
That's what jamesbhoy tells me.

{Ed007's Note - There's been rumours in the papers up here about it but that's about it. Rodgers has said that he wants to be here for 10 in a row and then he plans to run for President of The World.}

17 Mar 2018 23:58:48
You’re welcome to St Brendon, I’m not a big fan
The Kloppster has us on the right track, we are a few quality midfielders and 1 centre back away from being very good, at the moment I’d say us and Spurs are trying to play catch up with the City runaway train, no easy task.

{Ed007's Note - I like Klopp, he's a German Ronny Deila ;) all modern fancy ideas and a genuinely nice guy but he needs to start delivering trophies or it'll all be for nothing. At clubs like Liverppol - and Utd, Chelsea etc, even Celtic- it's all about winning trophies and that's what Klopp will eventually be judged on. I was disappointed Utd didn't appoint Klopp a few years back btw but I wouldn't be surprised to see him going to Bayern in the next couple of years if he can't get Liverpool winning leagues or challenging in the CL, Germans find it really difficult to turn down Bayern.}

18 Mar 2018 00:02:02
Fair enough Singh you see a lot more of them than I
It does appear they just don’t buy in to the philosophy and have downed tools on him.

18 Mar 2018 00:34:43
Koppite what about when Salah follows cout to Spain. madrid is it he is off to😀.

18 Mar 2018 00:07:29
remind me the clown has won nothing with you when he wins he is the next baby jesus and when you loose he dose not no what he is doing you will be wanting brendan white teeth back next, but according to reports Arsenal are a bigger club.

18 Mar 2018 01:05:03
He seems such a grounded genuine lad Leahy that I’d like to think he’d give us 2 more seasons. That sort of patience is very rare in players these days but I do think if we can stay in the UCL positions, win a cup and look like really challenging in the league and UCL then he might stay. He’s not South American so the Barcelona and Madrid obsession won’t quite be as strong a lure if we can keep progressing.
Ultimately it will depend on how badly they want him, he is comfortably heading towards the £200M bracket. If he nears 35 league goals and takes us past Man City then he will be the hottest property in world football.

18 Mar 2018 02:44:52
Lol. Been drinking the black stuff Koppite? He just got owned by Ashley young. 😂.

18 Mar 2018 04:23:42
Do grounded genuine lads normally have their agents contact madrid because they have had a good half a season koppite?

18 Mar 2018 10:36:39
CSM maybe they do if they feel their current club isn’t going to make top 4 at that time. Like I said loyalty is rare but regular UCL football and the prospect of winning trophies could buy time. We have had this with Torres, Mascherano, Alonso, Suarez and Coutinho.
I feel the club can demonstrate enough ambition to hold on to Mo this summer (securing top 4 and getting past City would achieve that, though both are still very much to play for, the latter being very much dependent upon us playing 2 almost flawless legs, big ask) .
DB yes I had a couple of pints of Guinness for Paddy’s day before being warmly entertained on a cold day at Anfield with some amazing goals and quality from Mo Salah, if you actually go to your games I assume you froze watching the same old dross? To coin your phrase, you just got owned by a scouser 🤪.

18 Mar 2018 10:44:24
Dazw and I suppose Mourinho is now no longer the messiah but a very naughty boy? Maybe we should start calling him Brian? 😋.

17 Mar 2018 21:52:58
Scholesy trying so hard to be diplomatic on BT. It's killing him :)

17 Mar 2018 21:59:31
Yeah did you see the sly little look between Savage and Scholes just as they went live. Blatantly they had both been ripping into Utd, but had to go all PC when the cameras started rolling. Come on Scholesy, tear them a new one!

17 Mar 2018 22:34:17
Lol he was ready to burst. Can you imagine him and kean in that dressing room.

17 Mar 2018 20:35:35
A lot of empty seats at OT tonight. If Jose was giving lads a game tonight why not put young Gomes on the bench and give him a some game time, he would bring the fans to their feet at least with his attacking skills.

17 Mar 2018 21:59:16
Weather.

17 Mar 2018 22:48:53
He’s carrying an injury I believe. I thought we might have saw Chong on the bench tonight.

17 Mar 2018 23:09:01
It’s our only chance of a trophy. Play the best team possible!

17 Mar 2018 18:42:11
Proud to be an Irishman, today. :)

#upyerjamroleeddiejones #grandslam.

17 Mar 2018 18:50:34
Brilliant Steve. Great team.

17 Mar 2018 19:03:53
Ireland fully deserved nou. They are my bets for the World Cup. Have a feeling they will do it. Top coach and stockdale looks a player.

17 Mar 2018 19:10:54
Fully deserved win and the pride showed in every player. Can we transform some of this pride to our over paid over hyped players.

17 Mar 2018 19:29:29
Funnier things have happened, Park. Though I always feel better going into a big tournie as underdogs. Favouritism doesn't sit easily on Irish shoulders most of the time!

17 Mar 2018 19:42:55
That is true nou but I feel Ireland are peaking at the right time. Formidable pack, especially the back row. Massive fan of Connor Murray best 9 in the northern hemisphere. Pains me to say but England have peaked and their attack is so one dimensional. Hopefully will get myself some tickets for the World Cup, I’ve always wanted to go to japan.

17 Mar 2018 22:22:02
I just wish the World Cup was this year, mate :)

17 Mar 2018 22:50:24
In Ulster we don’t have much to shout about in the rugby but stockdale is doing us proud.

17 Mar 2018 11:32:43
Anyone see the cantona interview
He said Jose is a very good manager, intelligent man, but he is A defensive manager Not a fit for Manchester United.
He likes pep style of play. would like to play under him but he would never play for city.
Good man Eric I agree with you.

17 Mar 2018 18:22:06
Not sure pep would have him. surely he's past it now.

17 Mar 2018 18:52:45
Eric is the king.
I'd still play him. lol.

17 Mar 2018 08:26:40
Jose is accused of not getting more from his players and that they are not playing to their potential.
Ddg playing to his potential all season.
Rb. Valencia is playing to his full capabilities.
Lb young playing arguably his best season ever
Shaw has played about 20 games in 3 seasons. He is not in good shape.
Cb bailly has been injured
Smalling also arguably having his best ever season at united
Li delof.

17 Mar 2018 08:31:50
Defence has done ok midfield and up not is the issues.
Look like a team of individuals .
A good attacking unit is missing .
We have struggled to impose ourselves on teams, finish teams off or play at any kind of tempo.

17 Mar 2018 08:39:16
Been a big fall out since Seville.

So simple question how much money how many great players does Jose need to get past Seville and play better footy than we did .
Because that is the current issue never mind all the deflection games.

17 Mar 2018 09:11:10
Fair points ken, it what about Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Mata, Pogba, Sanchez. We know all of these players can be brilliant but they are so inconsistent. They have the talent so is it attitude, mindset, tactics? I really don’t know but I expect ajose to get more out of very talented players.

17 Mar 2018 09:47:20
Is it that surprising that a notoriously defensive coach is getting the best out of our defensive players to play well, yet is struggling to get the best out of our forward thinking players?

17 Mar 2018 09:48:57
I think what we can see is that the team is set up to protect the defence, at the expense of attacking players. The reality is that this approach is no longer good enough to win EPL titles and champions leagues. Over the last few seasons we have spent hundreds of millions, and are paying massive wages, for attacking players who are completely shackled and ineffective in the current system.

17 Mar 2018 09:54:18
Danny, that’s such a good point, Jose’s MO is no longer working. His thinking is old school and new ideas and approaches are swallowing him up, the worry is he doesn’t seem able to react. One of SAF’s greatest strengths was how he responded to the changing landscape, regularly bringing in a new Assistant with new ideas. Jose seems stuck in his ways and sadly I don’t think they will work any more.

17 Mar 2018 10:20:02
Exactly AJH, José’s system became a template for success during his first tenure at Chelsea, but cracks started showing at Real when he struggled to get the best of Pep’s Barca. Over the last few years, the most successful teams have been ones that set up to score, not simply contain. Even more traditionally defensive sides like Juventus have adapted.

The problem is that José seems to revert to type whenever the pressure is on, and this increasingly makes him look like a man stuck in his past glories. Obviously, he has successes in individual games, but the top top teams will always be step above his approach.

17 Mar 2018 11:27:44
AJH

I would argue that SAF didn’t embrace change, Meulensteen apart the formula was the same. SAF ran a tight ship using the same successful methods he always used. The greatest motivator of all time, up there with Clough, but the club kept its old path to the point we were behind others. The simple test of responding to changing landscapes was his response to the arrival of City and their new money. Dismissing them as noisy neighbours and declaring no value in the market whilst they were buying Aguero and developing an infrastructure that puts us to shame. That isn’t responding to a changing landscape to me, great as he was we fell behind and maintained the old style club. Whilst City created links with local schools we carried on in the same vein in youth recruitment, a nice profitable option rather than a conveyer belt of talent. Only recently have we become more aggressive, signing players like Puigmal.

SAF was a true icon and innovator when he arrived but seemed stuck in his ways, even the appointment of his successor smacked of that.

17 Mar 2018 12:04:52
Red Man - can you tell me who has come off of the conveyor belt of talent at City in the last 5 years. Then name me the players who have come through the Utd youth system that has fallen behind City's prototype.
It will be interesting to see who seems to have the most successful system.

17 Mar 2018 12:05:15
Jred
"So simple question how much money how many great players does Jose need to get past Seville and play better footy than we
did. "
I think we already have the players to get past Seville but it was a combination of factors that meant we didnt. We are not a team, we set up to not get beat but most importantly, when we step out on the pitch we no longer strike the fear of god into the opposition. We have quality but no character. Every team can be improved but its better to get the best out of what you hav son as you get the right blocks for the right holes.

17 Mar 2018 13:03:38
Keanooh

It takes years maybe even 10 years from the inception of the youth investment before you get fruit. Foden is a quality young player from it. Let’s see what else but the club only have a ten year history.

17 Mar 2018 13:17:22
Ajh. I tend to disagree. If jose went out toe to toe with the best and more technical teams and didn't go out to protect valencia shaw young and whatever cb's play when bailly is not there we would be getting battered.
Jred how many players does jose need to beat seville? Stupid microscopic view imo so how much did pep spend and got beat by wigan? Its one game that was just pathetic but a gross overeaction from some.
Jred do you think jose should be fired?
Imo jose has done less damage to the club in his press conf then fergie did when he wanted to sue major shareholders over a horse he never owned.
Sanchez is here 9 games how was vidic and evra after 9 games? Or ddg after 9 games? Ill tell you they were all worse than sanchez has been.

Martial is not yet or never has been brilliant for us but is on target for his seasons best goal haul. Ed002 says the club feels they can get a better player than him and are prepared to let him go and i agree with that.
Lvg signed him and shaw made them the worlds most expensive teenagers and neither lived up to their billong so far under either manager. Martial didn't make france euros squad and hardly plays for them. So both his current coaches think he doesn't warrent a place in their teams but you think he is great. So how often have you seen him train?

rashford on for a seasons best goal haul. So is lukaku.

Ed002 told us he did try to sign 2 full backs in summer and a cb in jan.

Huge errors last week by the manager in the seville game nobody is denying that. I don't like certain traits he has in his persona most dont. But i'd rather have him in our dressing room with the right backing he will take pep and city's title off them next season.
Fergie spent big money record fees for keane pallister Veron and plenty of duffers in djemba bebe prunier kleberson etc etc.
Redman is right. United have always been the biggest spenders in england traditionally. And for last 30 years that has bought us the most success. City are now the biggest spenders and coincidently are now the top team. When chelsea were biggest spenders they were most succesful.
Even Liverpool have spent more than us this year tbink how they must feel spend 2nd most and are not getting better results.

People raving about mctom. If pofba but in displays like mctom he would still be getting slated I've no doubt about that so he is being judged on his price tag and wages something the rooney lovers told us was irrelevant when it was an argument against rooney for many.

Im happy to finish 2nd this year with this swuad i think its a great achievement. i'm not happy at all with the style that got us there. My view is the style will change maybe not as much as some would like but enough for most when he gets the opportunity to get his platers in this summer.

17 Mar 2018 16:29:55
I think that's a brilliant post Ken!

17 Mar 2018 16:59:48
People are raving about McT because he is an Academy graduate, the expectations of a player who was a world record fee will, and should, be much higher.

SAF may have bought his way to early success but the late nineties and onwards were also down to the freakish event of so many top quality youngsters all graduating to the first team at the same time. I don’t think that will ever happen again.

I was there in the early SAF year’s and I was there in the Bellion years so I’ve taken the rough with the smooth. This is something of a circular debate and I’m not sure there is that much disagreement; SAF overlooked so many players bacuse of the ‘no value in the market’ nonsense and we fell behind. Jose is now trying to rectify the years of under investment and the poor LVG signings.

However, the key question is whether you think Jose still has what it takes or whether you think he is yesterday’s man. For me it is the latter.

17 Mar 2018 17:51:16
I understand that viewpoint ajh. But i beg to differ.
As i say it will be a lot clearer for us all in 12 months time.
If nothing has changed and we are still not challenging and playing better stuff in 12 months time then i will change my tune but if the board back him he will bring us back our title imo.

17 Mar 2018 19:23:34
I agree with Shappy. Mourinho is a defensive coach and some of our defence are playing well in the main.
I was sad to see he brought his normal coaches with him. I honestly thought he'll bring a young assistant who is a bit more attack minded to get the balance right.

17 Mar 2018 23:26:58
For me the problem is I consistently. I venture to suggest that we play reasonably well when Jose slips the leash and allows them to play.
Put them back in a tight tactical box and they can't be bothered. That, I find is what frustrates me and, I believe, the players. No players come to MU play anything other than exiting expansive football. They are hacked off, it shows, and reluctantly I understand.

17 Mar 2018 05:47:39
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Match Preview Saturday 17th March 2018

17 Mar 2018 06:03:33
Nothing on Mourinho channeling his inner benitez?

{Ed001's Note - what's the point mate? It is just deflection, nothing of truth or value was said, just deflection away from his own failings. I am not going to help him do that.}

17 Mar 2018 06:12:46
Maybe it's deflection but it is review of the day worthy ain't it, even though I may have replied to the match day post.

been a great week for mourinho, post Sevilla he channeled his inner moyes now inner benitez wonder whether he will ask his players to be horny after the Brighton match?

What are your thoughts on this Ed001? He well and truly seems to be losing it and fans are turning against him.

{Ed001's Note - they were turning on him, but now it seems most are suddenly too busy agreeing with him to remember how much of it is actually his fault anyway.

I just didn't see any of it as news. Just a bunch of nonsense from a manager who always looks to find someone else to blame for his own mistakes.}

17 Mar 2018 06:27:44
On here may be ed, but on redcafe/ facebook/ twitter the tide seems to really turning against him. Today's result or even the style of it goes against what fans want and more will turn against him.

{Ed001's Note - I don't understand why, nothing he has done is surprising or new. It is the same pattern he has repeated everywhere he has been since leaving Porto. Surely the fans should either have not supported him from the start, if that isn't what they want or still support him as it was always going to happen anyway?}

17 Mar 2018 10:51:23
Amen to that ed001.

Big surprise now, people aren't happy with jose, his style, how he gets things done, his press conferences. It's like united fans missed his Porto, Chelsea, inter and Madrid years. He is what he is and is not going to change. He will spend another obscene amount of money with us and ship out the many average players we have. We will probably win something else and then it'll be good again. Then as soon as the bad patch happens again, we will forget all about how Jose is and always has been and starting calling for his head.

Ed, a question, have united fans been spoilt?

{Ed001's Note - compared to most fans, defo. I mean all other fans of English teams really, as you have won more, that does change perspective.}

17 Mar 2018 12:55:01
Ed001. I think I have a good perspective of things. We are not entitled to anything. We were extremely fortunate to have someone like Ferguson who stood the test of time and played, the majority of times, some nice football. But that has gone now and we need to realise that this is a different time.

We have no god given right. Sometimes on here it's like we never played bad under Fergie, never went out to smaller teams and clubs in Europe.

{Ed001's Note - people have short memories and they make knee jerk reactions all the time. It is the same on every site.}