Manchester United Banter Archive May 17 2014

17 May 2014 23:09:27
Instead of trawling through the posts - I'll put it here:

redseven - the whole point is they went on to different leagues and proved themselves there!
In my playing days (sadly long, long ago) you would have been known as a pot-hunter - AND despised for it

Muddled - Coming from a Liverpool fan that's nothing short of the pot calling the kettle black - or in this case 'pot-hunter'. Up until we matched your title haul - Liverpool's past successes were all I ever heard about from Liverpool fans. Since then you've all gone a bit quiet (apart from you - who seem to have the typing equivalent of tourette's syndrome).

Trophies aren't everything in football but like it or not they are the best parameter for measuring success.

You say the 'whole point is. ' - but that's not the point you originally made. Your original comment was 'all went on to bigger and better things' - which to me is very different than saying that they proved themselves elsewhere.

I used title success as a way of measuring how they've done since leaving - and as it happens none of the players you mentioned had anywhere near as much success after (or before) they played at Old Trafford.

I'm sure any Champions League winner will tell you there is nothing bigger or better for a footballer than to win the Champions League. Up until now (I expect Ronaldo to win one this week) none of those players have won one since leaving us (I appreciate RVN didn't actually win one with us, mind) - ergo I'm not sure how one could say they have gone on to 'better things'.

Funnily enough all of the players I mentioned who left Liverpool have gone on to better things and are all at bigger clubs (with the exception of Owen - who retired at one).

Ah you want to get back to the original point? You saying Liverpool were a selling club. me saying United are a selling club. The examples I gave were of players you have sold - whether McBluster 'kicked them out' (because they perhaps could see that the emperor had no clothes) is immaterial - they were SOLD.

{Ed004's Note - By that logic every team is a 'selling club' and the phrase means nothing. Are Madrid a selling club? I just ask cause sneijder, robben, kaka, ozil, higuain all left them}

Great logic there, puzzled! I think SAF was justified in those decisions just look at the trophies he won after letting them go. In fact, many pundits hail his bravery and decision making in letting these players go at the right time. If we are a selling club then i'm proud that a selling club could manage to dominate and be so successful for so many years.

ED004 I agree that the phrase is meaningless

Muddled - A selling club who sells their best players because they are unable to hold on to them. Us selling players because SAF no longer wanted them at the club is considerably different - not to mention the fact that in all cases we had plenty of other top players at the club.

Liverpool, on the other hand, have consistently sold their best players. Gerrard's the only one who has stayed with you for more than 5 seasons and he came very close to moving to Chelski!

Well of course I do not really regard
United as a selling club I was merely echoing redseven's ridiculous comment about Liverpool

Muddled -

I fail to see how it's a ridiculous comment? If you were to go through the past 10 years and pick out the best players to have played at Liverpool; you will find that they were forced into selling all of them bar Gerrard and Suarez. Suarez will leave in the next 15 months.

If that doesn't constitute a selling club I don't know what does? Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs are not big enough clubs to hold onto big players these days. Deal with it.

'not a big enough club' the inference of course is that United ARE. Strange then that you couldn't hold on to Ronaldo? I suppose too that you have noticed over the last year or two when United were chasing a player and had a 'biggish' club as a competitor, said player seems always to choose that competitor.

The best you can hope is that van Gaal steadies the ship, clears out the dross left by 'Sir' Alex and manages to attract a few decent players, purely on the strength of HIS reputation not the clubs. Then,
after two or three seasons rebuilding you might again start to challenge. You are not the team/club you were. Deal with it

Muddled - You're quite right. We are a big club. I'm glad that you concluded that too (the word you were looking for was 'implication' - not 'inference'. Perhaps you should stick to using words you understand?).

United are the fourth biggest club in the world in terms of revenue, the third biggest club in terms of value, the biggest club in England in terms of both contemporary and historical domestic success and the joint second biggest club in terms of European success over the past fifteen years. No matter how one chooses to define a 'big club' - we are one.

Players moving elsewhere comes to other clubs offering ridiculous money (as well as being willing to pay ludicrous agents' fees) rather than them preferring to move elsewhere. I think the Glazers are now realising that the economy of football has changed and that to sign the best players you need to spend. Expect us to do so this summer.

If Liverpool were a big enough club to have the finances to even bid for a top player - the same thing would have happened to them. The one time you did have money you opted to blow it all on Andy Carroll - and I'm sure were there a club stupid enough to better your offer (which itself was nothing short of insanity) he would have gone there instead.

17 May 2014 22:13:43
Fresh, you need to take a chill pill mate. I know you have had some stick but it happens to us all, we each have our foibles. You post continually with the rumour of the day, GDS is happy clappy (no offence mate), Syd is never wrong (ever, not ever), Shappy writes War and Peace, apparently I can be sarcastic, there are some posters who just don't get on and will never agree. I love Deeps but he and I will never agree on Rooney (he's overrated, come on Deeps, you know I'm right). Don't let them get you down, it's banter. If anyone goes too far I'm sure a few of us will pull them back into line, as I did last week. Keep posting mate, it's all good.

AJH - comments like that are just what we need ;)

Rooney is sh*t tho! ;-)

Don't think you have ever been sarcastic AJH? And none taken ;)

No AJH, you see this WC, Wazza will prove you wrong once and for all. Go Waynster, xoxo . And obviously I am right and you are wrong. You don't watch football and you have never played the game ;). Did it hurt?

Deeps

I'd love Rooney to deliver in Brazil but as he has been out for a while, I think he will struggle as he always needs a few games to get going. It's a tough group, if he plays on all the games and we get through then who knows?

17 May 2014 21:21:17
Supasub in response to

"Plymouth, la masia was turned from a social building to house the youngsters in the late 70's. Cruyff didn't manage Barca until the late 80's. So who was responsible for all the liga titles, uefa cups and cup winners cups previously? You say cruyff was responsible for la masia so I looked it up. It was turned into a building to house the youth by Josep Nunez who was the then president. Again where are your posts on your Liverpool page when I looked a couple of weeks ago? Your obsessed with disagreeing on here and you get caught out."

Johan cruyff Met with the then president Josep Nunez in 1979(shortly after he left Barcelona as a player), where he gave Nunez a thorough brief through on his idea on "La Masia" which Nunez followed through with.

Check in future before going all guns blazing.

Plymouth were you in on that "thorough briefing" by cruyff the player who had just left the club? you said cruyff is responsible for the set up of la masia and making Barca the club they are today. He did this after he left the club as a player? I will ask the same question again, quite clearly. How did this club already have a great history with uefa cup, cup winners cup, liga titles be a great club developed by someone who hadn't even played for them yet. And la masia which already existed was set up by a player after a briefing who'd just left the club? And for the 3rd time( just from me, not including other suspicious posters here) where are your posts on your Liverpool page?

Plymouth, What you've said is like me saying Dalgleish is responsible or all of liverpools success and when he left/retired as a player he had a "thorough briefing" with joe fagan and made liverpool what they are today, forgetting any success they had previously from day one.?

"Joe, I think you need to play pass and move. Yeah ok Kenny. It's not something myself or the club are familiar with but it's a cracking idea." Ok apologies fellow posters/ed but I reiterate plymouths obsession with disagreeing with selective posts on here yet contributing nothing to his own supportive club page.
I'm going to polish off the rest of my Bourdeaux and foxtrot oscar to bed.

I didn't say he made them a "great club" I said he's responsible for the way they're playing now and for the great players they have/are producing.

Check my post's if you want to see my Pool post's by clicking on my username.

If you click my username you can see I contribute to my "supporting clubs page".

What Dalglish done at Liverpool compared to what Cruyff done at Barcelona has no resemblance, Dalglish had an outstanding time at Liverpool but Cruyff set Barcelona up for years of unparalleled success, playing some of the most beautiful football the games seen.

Plymouth

Sod off back to your own page and whilst there, learn how to use apostrophes

Send me your address AJH, maybe you can teach me, seeing as you're such an expert.

P.s are united still tracking " Shneydjer"

Plymouth, your words were " cruyff made Barca the club they are today". So I'll ask another question again, how did Barca get cruyff as a player who was arguably the best player In the world at the time yet you say the same player was responsible for the club they are today in the future? The same Barca era who I think also had neeskens from Ajax, one of the greatest players of that era also. Someone is talking from their hoop. Barca were already a great club before cruyff was involved. They've been influenced by cruyff as they have by many other people but it's certainly not the case that cruyff made Barca the club they are today. They have a long great history that has a lot if roots from our own country.

'years of unparalleled success'? Barcelona had three years where they were the best team on the planet. The rest of the time they've just been a very good team like Bayern, United or Chelski.

Was their success really 'unparalleled'? Not at all. Plenty of clubs have had spells that have matched Barcelona's in terms of success. Us in the three years prior to Barcelona. Bayern the past few seasons and Milan in the 90's too.


As for their football being beautiful - most people I know find it boring (myself included).

{Ed004's Note - I thought Bayerns football during the treble was twice as entertaining as Barcelonas. Same with utd the year we had Ronaldo etc}

Supasub, he clearly did make them the club they are today, I didn't say they weren't a great team before he came him, my argument is that he set them up for the future and without him they wouldn't of/been producing fantastic homegrown players with fantastic technical ability, who play with the same philosophy through all age groups.

Redseven, Pep's barca are the most technical gifted side footballs seen, we'll most likely never see a team like it again, what they achieved in that 3 year period hasn't been matched anywhere else, they we're unstoppable.

18 May 2014 00:47:00
Whilst its true the Cruyff suggested la masia to Nunez he based it on the ajax mode, same as when he was manager he based his philosophy on what he learned under Rinus Michels who managed both Ajax and Barcelona. And he developed ideas from Jack Reynolds and Vic Buckingham. Buckingham managed both clubs as well. So if anyone is the father of modern barca its those 3. All Cruyff did is impose and already existing philosophy onto barca. Van Gaal being ex ajax carried it on. Also its van gaal who gave debuts to the likes of puyol and xavi and others from la masia allowing the core of the team to be in place for Rijkaard and Pep to build on which is supasubs original point I believe. Cruyff was hardly innovative just continuing his mentors philosophy.

Muddled - What exactly did they achieve? Three domestic titles, one domestic cup and two champions leagues (I'm not counting all of the one/two game trophies they won).

Madrid won five European cups on the bounce back in the 50's, Ajax and Bayern each won three in a row in the early 70's, Nottingham Forest and Milan won back to back European cups in the late 80's and if it weren't for this Barcelona team peaking when they did - I've no doubt we would have won 3 Champions League titles in 4 years (2008-2011).

Even Liverpool bettered Barcelona's 'unparalleled success' between 81 and 84 (three league titles, 4 league cups and 2 European cups).

There is always one team who spends a period at the top and for me Barcelona's was not unlike any other. They were no more successful than any of the other teams who'd enjoyed a similar spell of success and whilst it's hard to argue that they weren't an incredibly gifted group of players - they were also an incredibly boring group of players to watch (with the exception of Messi).

PR send me your address and I will gladly come and teach you!

{Ed002's Note - We are not running a dating agency here man.}

No I leave the dating to GCU and Big Al!

17 May 2014 20:23:46
I think lewandowski will have a tricky time next season. He's just not a pep type striker. He's no different to Zlatan or manduzkic who both got frustrated with pep. By the end of next season I think he'd potentially be available too if pep is still there. Maybe getting ahead of myself but there you go.

Hope not would hate peps football at utd he can go back to boring barca

I think Supasub is saying that Lewy may be available, not Pep.

I think this post was about Lewandowski.

He just doesn't seem to like out and out strikers. Villa, gudjonson suffered as well.

That's right fresh and Ben.

I realised that when I re read it but it was already to late :P

17 May 2014 19:34:43
Looking at van gaals formation it looks like a 5-2-3 with wing backs so u could say it's 3-4-3

Really impressed with Depay

Can't see him replicating that here if I am honest.

Depay and the centre back are the 2 dutch players I really hope we get young and full of potential

Depay and Indi look brilliant prospects. I'd take both of them in a heart beat.

17 May 2014 19:23:21
Big up Atletico, overwhelmingly deserving.

And, Tom Ince, there was a time he was linked to Utd. For a compensatory fee only he could be worth of a shout.

17 May 2014 18:59:07
Bit off topic. But athletico Madrid deservely won la liga today! Well deserved and the best team won

17 May 2014 18:42:26
Doesn't matter what the score is , Arsenal won't be lifting the FA Cup today.
I think Steve Bruce has eaten it!

I love Brucy but he is starting look like Widow T****y

I haven't seen his son since he was substituted, I think he may have eaten him too. And Arsene's caterpillar coat, haven't seen that either.

Hull's lead disappeared.

Bruce must have eaten that too.

I think Hull threw it away on purpose. They were all worried they might have to give the boss a shoulder ride if they won.

Looks like Brucie bit off more than even he could chew - in more ways than one.

17 May 2014 18:06:37
Do you think van Persie will make a good captain? And who would you have as vice? I would have De Gea as he is an ever present, there is a case for Jones but he's injured so much.

Fresh what's your case for Jones? He's not good enough at the moment to be a first choice and the way he throws himself around he's always going to be getting injured.

If he stays fit he seems to me to be a leader who would marshal the defence. But as stated, he has a lot of growing up to do first.

I see Jones as enthusiastic and a trier but I wouldn't class him has a leader from what I've seen of him, he needs more experience.

17 May 2014 17:21:06
That Santi freekick should never have beaten the keeper. McGregor a little rusty perhaps?

It was disguised well

17 May 2014 18:18:08
The step to his right didn't help

17 May 2014 16:26:16
In the past six weeks we have been linked with over 40 players in the British printed press alone. So until I hear anything official from the club on any transfer news I am not getting excited. I am very confident that our new manager will attract the players he wants and needs. He is experienced enough to have plans A B & C. I am not at all nervous like last year we have the right man in LVG. Laying down solid foundations in all his clubs is his trademark he is a master coach and will turn the club around and set us on the path to another sustained period of success.
I also think we may be surprised with what he does here with some players in our squad you will see a massive improvement in some of the 'deadwood' and he may well turn 1 or 2 into top class players. My candidates for huge improvement are Raf, Jones, smalling, Adnan and Welbeck. Tony V is too 1 dimensional for LVG and young has no dimension at all

Our success next season will be decided before September - much as it was this season.

17 May 2014 15:44:31
After years of success we finally tasted a huge failure. SAF gave us lots of moment to cherish but now we passed through a devastating season. Don't get me wrong but SAF's failure in previous transfer windows is one of the major reason for our miserable season. When City were buying the likes of yaya, aguero and Silva, SAF bought likes of young and bebe . When players like suarez were available (although I hate his character ) he chosed chicha(although I like him ) and welbeck, When even we could have bought robben, he went for Valencia. And the most is he ignored our midfield for long time. Had he gone for some classy players we would have been such a force by now

To be fair Hernandez does score a lot goals but with poor wingers he's not scored as many as he has done in previous seasons. I agree with you about SAF signings. We have bought average instead of quality, but I feel agent fees have something to do with this. People on here have slated Hernandez but we all have to remember that a lack of game time means he will not have full match sharpness. Training only takes you so far.

17 May 2014 16:50:18
forgot to mention.
The worst he did was to appoint Moyes

SAF didn't buy Welbeck. Sretha

17 May 2014 18:05:32
Everyone knows welbeck came up from our youth. My point is he chosed welbeck for the striking position even though we had several choices in the market

Sir Alex was a motivational genius, but he did make some serious clangers on transfers. Jaap Stam was not done when he was offloaded. Van der Saar should have been signed as Schmeicals replacement. We wasted many millions on trying to fill those gloves. Djembe Djemba was not the African Keane, Bellion was not the next Henry. Poborsky was average, Jordi Cruyff was crap.

There may not have been value in the market in recent years, but how much of a premium will we now have to pay to fix the areas we have ignored for 4+ years.

I know he did sign ole and ronny, but he also signed Anderson and mani and all those mentioned above.

His signing now you look back at them was horrible, all he did was get the best out of a bad bunch

17 May 2014 13:32:50
The more I see Van Gaal in reports and videos etc. The more I like him. Interesting few years ahead.

17 May 2014 13:05:20
Regarding my earlier post's about LvG, how can you say he set Barcelona up for success? It's evident that Johan Cruyff set up La Masia, implementing total football/tiki taka through all group ages.

He set Bayern Munich up for the success they're having now? he destroyed team morale so badly that the team we're lingering in 4th position which would mean they wouldn't achieve a champions league spot, in a weak league where they should be achieving top 2 minimum.

So to your answer Pancho, no am not worried, I cannot wait for you to appoint this clown.

Well you would say that wouldn't you Plymouth? You're the most bitter, obnoxious, pretentious t*t I have perhaps ever seen on these forums. And claiming you're not worried? Ha! Going to such lengths to reassure your own fragile belief says it all.

Why is a liverpool fan on the United page? What a troll. Clearly only here for a reaction. he's just happy his team did well one year but still couldn't add to the trophy cabinet :D Always next year eh. providing they don't slip again ;)! Pahha

Plymouth, cruyff own nothing in his last 2 years as Barca manager. Does that make him a clown also?
All cruyff installed was a philosophy from Ajax arguably invented by an Englishman (jack Reynolds as previously pointed out by mort), then Rinus Michels ajax era. Lvg has had the benefit along with cruyff of the Ajax and Barca setup and was successful probably as successful if not more than cruyff in his managerial career which hasn't ended yet. Yet you don't rate them much and label lvg a clown.
As your on this page a lot with your "banter" remember a couple of weeks ago on a rare occasion having a look specifically for any posts by yourself and surprise surprise there were none. Have a think about that tonight when your tucked up in your Manchester United pj's clutching your megastore teddy.

Supasub, without Cruyff La Masia wouldn't exist, he made Barcelona what they are today, LvG reaped the benefits of Cruyff's great work.

Plymouth, have you been banned from the liverpool forum?

You know very little, Plymouth. LVG codified the work of Cruyff and created the blue print for the way Barcelona play today. He did the same at Ajax.

He has won league titles at every club he has ever been at.

I would be worried if I were you. Some of the players' you're being linked with are not going to make you into a super-power of European football. You don't have the money. 60 million will buy you one world class player and a couple of top players'. We will sign at least one world class player in this window, and up to 4 top players', which will completely transform the team, and put them back challenging for honours.

Your team done great this season, but you still won sod all.

The notion that LVG damaged Bayern is based on the premise that he fell out with the club and left. This is the way it has ended for him at a lot of his clubs. The difference at United will be that there will be no Cruyff or Beckenbauer type person putting their oar in. All these clubs have a serious political agenda going on in the background. Pep is even at some odds with the Bayern board currently.

LVG is a winner everyplace he has gone and he won't take any crap from any upstart players in the same way Fergie didn't. He can be ruthless and no doubt he will clear out the deadwood and his stature will negate the lack of european football next year.

Hopefully the club will go all out to land somebody like Vidal and a world class centre half. We have plenty to offer in attack given the correct platform.

As for Portsmouth he is trying to cover up the fact that Brendan the Conqueror blew it this year ably assisted by Stevie Me. Liverpool would struggle to attract a coach of LVG calibre. Fair play to the scouse fools they dared to dream and that's what they have been doing for years dreaming. Doubt they will get top 4 next season and no doubt the rat faced racist will jump ship post world cup

Plymouth, la masia was turned from a social building to house the youngsters in the late 70's. Cruyff didn't manage Barca until the late 80's. So who was responsible for all the liga titles, uefa cups and cup winners cups previously? You say cruyff was responsible for la masia so I looked it up. It was turned into a building to house the youth by Josep Nunez who was the then president. Again where are your posts on your Liverpool page when I looked a couple of weeks ago? Your obsessed with disagreeing on here and you get caught out.
So cruyff was responsible for Barca for the club they are today? So how did they get him as a player when arguably the best in the world at the time if they were a nothing club? Dear me.

16 May 2014 18:19:28
Ed, it's always a good time for cocktails and thank you for the quick reply

17 May 2014 08:21:14
Hello people, was just hoping to straighten something out. With the tabloids, on more than one occasion, have claimed that man utds imminent manager desires Arjen Robben as his first transfer. Eds is this even a possibility? Would buyern consider letting him go?

Woodward recently claimed getting back in the champs league is next seasons priority. Lvg has been quoted, ill paraphrase; "age does not matter".

Excellent job eds sorry if this is absolute poppycock, I guess us United fans are desperate to believe anything remotely positive or sensational.

{Ed004's Note - I doubt it}

Why wouldn't BM sell Robben? Hasn't he been available for a couple years now?

{Ed004's Note - I just think given his age and position he plays it isn't really an option. Unless it's for a very low fee and he's bought just for Januzaj so that he can learn from him}

Great signing and great for Januzaj. Ideal I think dependant on the fee.

Robben would add at least 20 goals and assists and has a few years left in him. He would win RvP a load of penalties. Could do with Robben and RvP for 2-3 years with Adnan and Wilson replacing them. Obviously that would be the hope.

I agree with the OP really can't see us going for robben

{Ed004's Note - also he is a key player in the bayern side and was probably one of their best players this year. Why would he leave? And he'd cost too much for 2 year stop gap IMO}

He signed a new contract in march as well

I can see your point ed004's but don't think lvg will be too concerned with how much we spend. Of course 25 million is a lot for a player of his age but he's top draw and if you don't spend big you lose out. We should have signed him years ago when we he left Madrid. If memory serves me right he went to BM for about 7 million!

Looking at all our wingers I would say he is better then them all so I reckon we will move in for him, attacking direct, still got pace on him and most important he is dutch :P. what's not to love, he can teach Januzaj how to be a inside forward :P

He would be fantastic for Januzaj and work well with RVP. Perfect signing, age is just a number, we could get a number of good seasons out of him. As fans we should concern ourselves with the quality of the player, not his age, wage, fee etc, it doesn't impact upon us.

Why not play him with AJ. Robbed can play on the right and AJ on the left.

Say what you want but I'd rather them 2 than young on the left and Valencia on the right, It would add that much need pace we have lacked. It's all only Gossip anyway, it's best to wait till players have the pen in their hand before thinking of who fits where etc

Here's hoping to an exciting summer, If there's any voids we can then fill them in January.

17 May 2014 00:13:11
What do people think about what Robbie - hold five fingers up to the stretford end but never won it myself big nose - Fowler has said about Van Gaal being too old. He forgot Fergie was seventy. What an person. Also then said he wasn't saying it because he is a Liverpool fan hoping united would be crap . No one suggested he was until he said it of course. I think his nose got even bigger after he said that .

He said it because LvG is getting on, it's not like he has the time to build a dynasty like Fergie did, Fergie arrived at 40 years old not 63.

LvG also hasn't achieved much since the 90's which was with a formidable Ajax team, most of who came from the academy.

As opposed to B Rod's stellar list of achievements

Really Plymouth? what about barca and the debuts he's given to the players in the team at the time?

Not achieved much since the 90's? Really? I guess he didn't win the league with AZ then, and he must not of won the league with bayern either? He's won more in the last 6 years than Rodgers has in his life

17 May 2014 07:45:26
Seems the scousers are running scared already. Lol.

van Gaal, first laid the foundations down for Pep's Barcalona side, he gave debuts to Puyol and Xavi and stuck with them when the press questioned their ability. He helped mould their academy, and it was him who brought back the 433 attacking system that allowed Pep to just tweak it slightly so as Barca could dominate football for that 5 year period.

He then went to AZ and won the league which is the equivelent of winning it in England with Spurs.

He then moved onto Bayern, he gave Muller and Kroos their debuts, he moved Schweinstieger into a holding role which allowed him to fullfil his potential and arguably become the most complete midfielder in the world. He laid down the foundations for this current Bayern side which is now dominating world football.

He managed to set both Barca and Bayern on their way to the very top and he managed to do that with just 2/3 years at each club.

So he may not be the man who will be in charge when when dominate world football in 3/4 years time but it will be because of him and the foundations he has laid at the club.

Plymouth. no one has suggest he will be there for the long run. He is being brought in to sort the team out, and nurture Giggs or possibly someone else, to take over when the hard work is done.
We are all very appreciative of your concern for our plight, I only hope we can return your act of kindness this time next year.
Now come on, cheer us up. Tell us all about Bren's fabulous record of success. (Second isn't success as you lot rightly said when we were second)

Robbie knows that LvG will revitalise United and get them back into the top 4 at least - and potentially knock Liverpool out of top 4 again.

No wonder he thinks we should've given Giggs a chance!

I don't believe we should be constantly looking for a dynasty in every manager anyway. Whilst van Gaal isn't my first choice he is a very strong choice. As Shappy mentioned he is a builder and a shaper of football clubs. Unlike last May when he is put in charge there will be no doubt about his credentials, stature or gravitas. I would have gone for Klopp but perhaps he will be the manager after this one. I don't subscribe to the sentiment of Giggs after van Gaal unless we are very sure he really is good enough and that will be very difficult to ascertain.
As to Fowler, well the Scousers I know wanted the last incumbent to stay for years so by that logic van Gaal is an excellent choice. He will build and shape us for the future and I can bet the Scouse are now worried we will do what they did this season without European football. I think it will be van Gaal and I would welcome his appointment

Didn't expect anything else from a bias Plymouth Liverpool fan who should be more interested in his own site but as usual is on here anxiously awaiting something to comment on. Can't even get his Spanish waiter facts right.

LvG hasn't been brought in to build a 20 year dynasty.

He is a proven quality stop-gap brought in to settle the ship.

He will implement a style that Giggs will continue after LvG is gone.