Manchester United Banter Archive September 17 2012
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17 Sep 2012 21:21:57
just to let you all know, BEING LIVERPOOL , is on friday night on channel five 9 pm , i know all you lot will watch the whole series , as you always talk about lpool , even more than your own club lol...............lfc
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Here again?
I have tried not to reply to any of your tripe today but this post takes the biscuit. We couldn't care less about liverpool. Look at the league table, 2nd and 17th, embarrassing for you, we don't care. Get it?
GDS
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Surely after the start to the season and your league position last year it should be called:
(Sick of) BEING LIVERPOOL
An Dun Red Devil
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Channel 5 ? You'll feel right at home there then
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So ye will be on Crap stations Thursday night and Friday nights from now on !
I think we will stick to watching United in the Champs League and you can sit and dream of what use to be.
BEING LIVERPOOL: change your manager every season spend millions on average players embarrass your whole club through most of last season and constantly repeat next season will be our season.
Devil Dust.
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Rumoured to be a scouse version of the office with rodgers as Brent
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17 Sep 2012 21:10:00
Yearly results will be released tomorrow, will be interested to see if the Glazers have reduced the debt by £63m like they promised. Gross debt should be down to around £360m. Obviously the summer's net expenditure will have something to say about it, but anything around £360m is good. Net interest payments should go down to around £35m a year. Not bad considering two years ago it was £68.8m As long as debt keeps getting reduced and interest keeps lowering I will be happy, but I think I speak for us all when I say this debt should never have been here in the first place and it should be getting paid off quicker.
Sydney!
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Sydney
A genuine question, Will the figures not be at the end of June prior to when the share proceeds would have been received? Or do you expect them to report on the loan figure specially
RVP should not be included on that basis but would Kagawa?
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Good thinking Red Man, I think the figures will show an up to date (gross and net debt), or it will be mentioned as a side note as it is a little bit of spin in the club's favour. Kagawa, Goss & Powell will be mentioned in these figures whilst I am sure RVP, Buttner & Henriquez will be in next year's figures.
Sydney!
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When is Manchester United's financial Year run from - too? Clearly it is not calendar,
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Figures just announced up to 30th june 3.3% fall in incomings
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17 Sep 2012 20:21:14
Guess who some of the journalists are linking us too again.... Wesley Sneijder.
Now seeing the headline my first reaction was "Here we go again" but reading the article and thinking about it, it does make some sense.
Nani's contract is running out and we it seems as if Sir Alex is not going to offer him a new deal, Inter Milan have had previous interest in Nani and it would make some sense to get rid of someone who is not offering us anything in terms of helping the team win games and bringing in Sneijder who brings that bit of world class quality in the midfield when Scholes departs this summer.
Just like the year Torres moved to Chelsea and wasn't cup tied because he played in the Europa league, the same would apply to Sneijder who is in it with Inter Milan this year. So would be allowed to help us in the later stages if we signed him in January.
Inter Milan are not exactly financially sound at the minute, thus the reason for not buying Lucas Moura cand also the big name players leaving the club in the window.
Overall it is highly unlikely because of his wages but would be an excellent bit of business if Sir Alex could swap Nani for Sneijder in his prime of his career
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You mean swap Nani coming into his prime for Snzeydzer well and truly off his peak. No thanks, don't want him, don't want his ego, too much money, rather have Nani OR another top winger. Cheers.
DodgyBanter
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There is no denying that its plausible given Nani's tenuous position at the club and our supposed interest in Sneijder. We'd have to use him deep though.
RedDevil19
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Im a fan of sneijder but we have bought kagawa instead
jred
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Sneijder would be more effective than nani imo....maybe like van persie perhaps?
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Not a big fan of the Italian league so don't see much of him at Inter but watched the Dutch against Turkey at the international break.
WS, Robben and RVP tortured that turkish side - should have been more than 2, Sneijder has everything - pass, vision, skill, flair - a perfect replacement for Scholes - Yes he's 28/29? but still i few years left in him.
When i look at a team i look to see who makes a contribution, i don't mean just scoring goals but assisting, tackling, interceptions etc
Does nani do enough?
would we miss carrick if we put someone else in that position?
We saw Buttner at the weekend - i saw a player whose hungry - Attacking strong - no nonsense, does he make our team better with evra missing?
Having Sneijder imo we could control more games - quicker play etc Carrick slows the play down and is frustrating as United have always been great at high tempo.
I would want WS in a united shirt - i have always said that - i for one can't see it happening now since we've bought Kagawa as i believe we should play him centre mid and have RVP and Rooney leading the line, might not be his best position but we are better with a 442 formation.
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'Nani coming into his prime'.....classic
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For all the people who love Nani, It just happened that I was watching a rerun of the Cl final against Barcelona last night( i know it is sad) and watched him come on and proceed to give the ball away many times but also right to David Villa who then scored the 3rd goal and pretty much killed the game. I bet there must be 20 wingers out there that are much better than him and if we believe that we are one of the biggest clubs in the world, i guess we should deserve better. Sneider for Nani is a dream but will not happen. Shahram
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17 Sep 2012 20:02:03
Fergie at the Everton game tonight, any thoughts?
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Well we play Newcastle twice soon, could it possibly be to watch them?
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We're playing Newcastle soon?
Gav
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Yeh he is watching newcastle....
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Fellaini? I saw on the Chelsea page that Ed002 confirmed interest from us.
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Yes...
Watching Newcastle seen as we have them 2 times in the next 3-4 weeks
RedKnight
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We play newcastle twice in the following weeks
nikz
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Yeah we play Newcastle twice in the next two weeks so this will be the only opportunity for him to get a last look at them
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Cabaye, Baines, Felaini?????
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Well spotted! and im thinking i might go to bed in a bit
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Playing Newcastle in the Cup?!!!
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Yeh... he likes football.
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17 Sep 2012 18:58:14
'G.A.G.U.S'
'-JakeW'
'AJH'
'Simmo'
Ye could learn from KLOOT, Moon and Shappy. Seriously boys, sort out yer banter.
"You bitter scouser", "you are deluded", "go back to your own page" Yada! Yada! Yada! Blah! Blah! Blah!
Typically predictable.
Banal! Banal!
Seriously now, sort it out.
...nadir
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I'm now deeply confused, is that a compliment or an insult? Lol.
Shappy
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Gosh, that would be Kloot who hates the whole of Liverpool and has had posts removed for being offensive. Just checked my posts, didn't use any of those phrases, simply reminded the poster that it's 23 years. Sorry it didn't meet your high standards, you are clearly a literary genius.
AJH
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Still on our page?
-JakeW
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What I find funny is that you Liverpool fans still think your our big rivals? Well you are not anymore, some may say so but Liverpool are a mid table team now, why would we be so worried about you? Yeah the matches between them bring back history but your nothing to us now? Why don't all you Liverpool fans go over to the Sunderland page or Aston Villa page, they are the teams you will competing fiercely for the 9th,10th,11th spot this season. I mean come on!
How the mighty have fallen..
-JakeW
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The banter between both sets of fans is awful as of late.
You guys say you'll lose because you're still building, we say it's an excuse. bla bla bla.
We have 11 men on the pitch, you guys have 11 men on the pitch, anything can happen. but the day you start to think your team will lose without question to your biggest rivals is the day you should question your loyalty and undying support for the team you support.
The Moon.
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I just don't understand how fans of Merseyside's second team can come on this page.
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17 Sep 2012 18:52:00
Just seen a rather funny stat:
Stewart Downing:
£20,000,000
Matches Played - 37
0 Goals
0 Assists
Alexander Buttner:
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I'll finish ya post for ya lad; Alexander Büttner £3,500,000
Games played: 1
Assists: 1
Goals: 1
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Where's the rest of my post gone?
RedDevil19 {Ed004's Note - Didn't come through}
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My Nan could do better in the Premier league that Downing and my Nan has no legs.
-JakeW
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17 Sep 2012 18:38:01
Just thinking how well a marauding 3-5-2 (or 5-3-2, depending on the situation) might hold up once everyone gets healthy (and assuming players meet expectation at present):
De gea
----Smalling---------vidic---------Evans------
Valencia--------the missing link------buttner
-----------Clev-------------kagawa------------
---------------Rooney-------------------------
-------------------------Rvp-------------------
My goodness, if we finally shore up our midfield with a box to box guy like i am really hoping powell might be, and with our remaining squad options - a sumptuous mix of youth and experience enabling a wealth of technical options - this truly will be a team to reckon with on all fronts for years to come IF AND ONLY IF we sort out that final midfield spot (and maybe a skilled CB) Nonetheless, what a squad we have assembled.
United 2-0 Galatasaray
United 3-1 liverpool
Great week ahead
Windy City Red
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This is how i feel we should play but i doubt we will. IMO there are two types of midfielder who could be that missing link. Either a Box to box player which would put the more defensive side of things into the hands of the three CB's more or a out and out DM who would release the other midfielders and wing backs more. Personally i'd rather see a DM rather than a box to box player. The player i would personally like to see is Sandro from spurs who i feel would be perfect.
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3 centre backs does not work in the English league and there's no point bringing it in for a dozen european games a seaosn as its not enough time to master it.
Who plays 3 at the back nowadays? Even the Germans have abandoned it.
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There is no need for three at the back, a DM sat in front of the two CB's would be fine.
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--------------------De gea
-----------Smalling---------vidic------
Rafael------------scholes-----------buttner
-------Clevs-------Kags---------Ando
-------------Rvp----------Rooney--------
Obviously Scholes needs replacing one day, when his legs fall off.
What I don't like about this formation is the lack of width, rather have good width with Nani, Young, Toni, A N Other... Feels more natural for a Utd team.
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Whilst the unnamed poster does make a good point in terms of historical precedent for a three defender back line, I believe the fault may lie in their own outdated notion of the prototypical english center back. On a global level, we are seeing a different breed of hybrid defenders such as thiago silva, vermaelen, vertonghen, hummels, sergio ramos, (younger) puyols, etc that defy the more static archetypes of years past. A back three of this type would work incredibly well with disciplined wing backs and a fearsome dm in front. The Per Merteseckers of the world (which you seem to prefer in these positions) need not apply.
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So are you saying we shouldn't adjust our tactic's and formation to suit our players strengths but instead follow what the crowd are doing like a flock of sheep?
Tactics and formations come and go and evolve as time moves on, nothing stays the status quo in terms of football tactics. We need to move with the times and set the trends, its the trend setters who get remembered as a all time great team, not those who follow them.
Maybe three at the back is the right decision and maybe its not, but I think what we can all agree on is currently we don't look like a team who are all in sync and we certainly don't look like world beaters.
Maybe we need to have a open mind as to how we should move forward as a team
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Shappy
do you honestly see fergy playing a back 3
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No I don't unfortunately jred, Sir Alex is an old man and has only moved away from 442 or a similar variant of it when he had Quieroz as his assistant manager, I don't see him changing his ideas at this stage of his life. I think any changes like that will come for his successor and not him.
Personally i'd prefer us to keep to a back four and have a DM playing just infront of them to cover our full backs. But we have no one with that ability in our squad but we do have(when fit) five top CB's so with the players we currently have it would make more sense play an extra CB who can do the covering a DM would that would then release our full backs and midfield to play higher up the field to win the ball back higher up the pitch and be more attacking hopefully resulting in more goals scored and less conceded.
Shappy
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Box to box dm... Jones?
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Anon, Jones will be a great CB but I don't think his technique is good enough to play in midfield against the best midfields. He gives the ball away too much and plays with his head down. He has loads to learn to become a top midfielder and I think it may be abit too late in his development for him to learn what is needed to play in midfield. Where as all he needs to learn to become a top defender is his positional sense, which is something you only learn through playing.
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17 Sep 2012 18:25:02
Man utd will Buy 1 South American player in January.so he can play in Champions Leage..
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patil pooja
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Its Hector Herrera the Mexican......
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Herrera is the one I think...and he can play in CL because Bilbao dont play in the CL...eds can correct me if i am wrong.
Devil for Life
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He can play in CL Because he plays for Pachuca which is in Mexico, you're thinking of Ander Herrera of Bilbao.
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Devil for life that's a different Herrera
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Devil for live ur confusing andres herrera spanish u21 with mexican football gold medalist hector
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Dont know wot it has to do with bilbao as he plays for pachuca.
Mick the red fireman.
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Sorry for the confusion guys...but I've heard Anders Herrera is also a quality midfielder.
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17 Sep 2012 17:14:56
pool are bitter, but why? you had best spell ever, yes you now have 19 titles, well done. 120 years of being behind us, you are overjoyed with this, again well done. but looking again you won 2 ec with fergie in 30 years, you are hundreds of millions in debt, fergie about to leave. you missed your chance to be a real force by dominating europe. even fergie says this himself, now pool have being dismal last 20 years, we still won ec, we crave a title, br is the man i believe, so you can spout all the drivel you want about being bitter, its you lot that left it behind you, thats what drives you crazy.
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Sounds like you're the one being driven crazy sunny jim. On the whole, United fans couldnt give 2 hoots about Liverpool as a club, they are of no significance, we merely respond to the endless stream of bo****ks from its fans.
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I'm trying hard to make sense of what you are saying. The summary seems to be that United have knocked Liverpool of their domestic perch, but we haven't done enough in Europe, Liverpool have been rubbish for 20 years but won the champions league. Now all this is fine and I don't disagree with it.
However, the rest of your argument is just silly. United have debts and this makes us less competitive against the financial big boys? Well yes, but Liverpool are also in fairly large debt and have proved less capable of managing this debt. The last few lines are just incomprehensible, who are leaving United behind? Liverpool? Who are United bitter towards? Again, Liverpool? I'm not sure what you're trying to say, that a team who have dominated the league for the past 20 years is bitter toward a team that is making its first baby steps in trying to make it's way back into the top four?
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What drives you crazy is you know you havent got a hope of winning a title for the forseeable future. Lpools best player the past decade is waining under the heavy weight of carrying your club and is on the way out, stevie g. Ye have spent money so badly these past few years. King kenny just plain didnt work. Henderson and the other young additions to the first team squad look very ordinary bar sterling, and to add insult to injury we look better then last year while ye are staring another mid table finish right in the mirror.
We dont care about liverpool. In the bigger scheme of things although its a derby its only 3points. Not a chelsea or citeh title winning game.
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Did u keep a straight face whilst typing that drivel ?
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We left it behind us? Strange one, I think you and I both know that had '58 not happened then we'd have been more successful than we already are, but that's besides the point. We as a club have evolved as football has evolved, we've kept up with change. How many times do you see Utd battling it out on all fronts? Every season. Yes teams come along and have a slice of the Manchester United pie, but they all fall by the wayside. Arsenal have been there and done it, Chelsea have, even Liverpool to an extent in the last 20 years, but who has always been the team that's there for the long haul? That would be us. Once United, always United.
DB-Red
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Spoken like a true bitter dipper xx
CardiffRED
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How were we 120 years behind you? You were behind us until the mid 60's.
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It drives us that crazy u had to come on here n point out your pointless drivel. Last season it was kk that was going to bring that title home! Didnt happen even tho u spent what 100million on rubbish! Were that much in debt we spent 50million in the summer again. Yet you couldnt even sign dempsey. The point is mate its obviously eating you up inside that were now ahead of you in league titles. Theres a fact your missing chump! City and chelski have endless millions so lets be honest you'll never win the title while there about! Then theres us arsenal and spurs that are all way ahead of you squad wise. Best you'll get in the next 5years is cup runs and trying to force your way in to the top 4! Oh n on the debt ours is decreasing even though were spending! You dont spend but u worry about our club your in a much worse state than us!
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Jesus christ talk about living in the past......
u should be ashamed of yourself badger
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Did u manage to keep a straight face whilst typing that drivel ?
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£360m in debt yet still profitable. You are £64m-£94m in debt and are potless.
Sydney!
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Never read so much sh!te in my life.
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Yeah good luck with that..
-JakeW
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Why are Pool fans so obsessed with United? You should be concerned with Everton. This is your biggest game of the year, you have no chance at the league or a top 4 finish. This is a big game for us but we will have many more this year. Enjoy the rest of the season.
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26 yrs fergie has been at the helm, a repeat of the last 26 for both clubs will do me fine.
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LMAO United fans are obsessed with Liverpool, cant help yourselves, you even sing about us when we arent there....sad
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Above unnamed poster, you're on a United site....who is obsessed?
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17 Sep 2012 17:05:04
Mark Halsey has been given the game on Sunday, no way is he strong enough for a fixture like that.
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Stunning. 23 years mate and I can see it stretching to over 30. Cling to the past, it's all you have.
AJH
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This shows that the FA no longer feel this is a big enough game to warrant one of the best referees in the country. I see this as a slap in the face for Liverpool. lol. Although it does mean that the game could be ruined by a bad decision. But thats the way it goes sometimes.
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I like and appreciate Liverpool. It's important to have teams that can make up the numbers and help make for an interesting premiership mid table. The likes of Fulham, Swansea, Stoke, Aston Villa, Sunderland all need the likes of Liverpool to keep their situation interesting.
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17 Sep 2012 14:14:56
In reply to people saying that we won't sign anyone as we never do - well, I think that we will. And we have signed players in January like Berbatov, Veron and Smalling. I could see us being interested in players for three positions - Hector Herrera is a strong possibility. Mehdi Benatia could come in depending on our centre back crisis. Liam Moore, Alvaro Vadillo, Diego Berardi will all be looked at and possibly signed and being loaned back to their respective clubs. Vadillo in particular will be of interest I feel as he really is an exciting prospect.
Interesting also to read about SAF's comments about Powell. He is very much like a young Scholes who drove forward and slotted in some great goals from the edge of the box. With Cleverly and Powell we have a good base and one more addition like Herrera would be beneficial.
RedDevil19
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We signed Berbatov and Veron in January? I've heard of people getting dates mixed up, but you're a few months out there I think.
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Berbatov
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Berbatov was in summer of 2008 and veron in 2001 summer
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Neither was smalling.
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Smalling was announced in jan but signed in July.
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The 19 in rd19 must be for your age mate
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Smalling deal was done in January but he was allowed to stay til summer IIRC.
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Henrik Larson. January.
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To be fair the deal was agreed for Smalling in January but he was allowed to stay at Fulham for the remainder of the season. Not sure where he plucked Berbatov and Veron as January deals from though.
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Smalling was signed in January and loaned back to Fulham til the summer.
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17 Sep 2012 13:50:48
REALITY-CHECK-
this is a rebuilding season for lpool, 4 or 5 young young players will be beded into the first team this season , we will only get stronger as the season goes on, so this is your best chance of beating us at anfield and taking all 3 points.
but as everton have shown when a team stands-up to utd and has a go at them, then utd are very beatable , utd are a bit like bullyies in the playground-good against weaker sides, but as your european games prove, your not as good as you think, and lpool always stand -up to yous, if only all the other sides did , and it would be great if we had fair-refs who were not afaid of saf , what utd get away with in games is shocking , it must get yous about 10 extra points every season, call me bitter , call me whatever- but you know its the truth..............lfc
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Hilarious post!
You club is mediocre at best, you just need to accept that fact.
Stop babbling on and concentrate on qualifying for the Europa League again you clown!
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Yes, your bitter and deluded.
G.A.G.U.S
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Yeah but it's not a playground it's
the PL you clown. No. 20 is on the way
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Bitter
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Why are you worried about United, how about winning a game
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Why do you come on our site? Is the Liverpool one to boring for you?
-JakeW
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LFC you make some decent points.
At school, we had two rival Sunday league teams. My team was great, always finished first or second. Our rivals were poor - bottom 4 every year.
In the 3yrs I played against them, we lost 5/6 games. Sadly, this is what Liverpool have become - a poor team that raises its game ferociously against a more successful rival.
Which is why I fancy you to win on Sunday. I just hope, that there's no sick chanting from either set of fans and we get to see a full-blooded but fair game.
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Just to clarify, are you saying that next season will be Liverpool's year? Haven't heard that much. I seem to recall a strikingly similar comment last season (and the one before that etc. etc...?)
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When ISN'T it a building season for Liverpool?
TK-Red
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Liverpool have a 'rebuilding season' every single year.
APC
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Can I call you illiterate? This year will be 23 years since you won the league mate, can't see it happening any time soon either.
AJH
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How long have liver**** been rebuilding their team?
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Lfc
Maybe if Liverpool concentrated on playing well against the ''weaker'' sides, you would be challenging for champions league positions?
Last season Liverpool lost to West Brom, QPR, Fulham, Bolton, Wigan and Sunderland.
Maybe you could class Liverpool as a ''weaker'' team this season as well, 2 points in 4 games, 7 behind united already, dear oh dear oh dear, this rebuilding season for Liverpool has been going on for about 6 years now!
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Lpool have put in strong-foundations, ie-young manager whos hard working and with a clear vision, we will be free from debt after this season, which will help the club long-term , as we will be self-sustaining with our great youth coming through, its the best group of young players i have seen at lpool in a long while, plus we will produce a higher turn- over of great young players getting into the first team squad for years to come, saving high transfer fees , this will help for the new ffp rules coming in soon , and to extend anfield.ps- i must say i thought ashley youngs epic dive last season would not be beaten at utds ground for years to come, but i think dan wellback may well beat it, what do you think lads , it was a top ,top dive lol.............lfc
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Make the most of your youngsters as they will be cherry picked by the big teams when they are ready for the big time. Mediocre clubs like yourself do not keep hold of youth, especially with owners that will be more than excited to cash in on them.
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It must be the longest rebuild of all time, Fergie has rebuilt United 4 times in this period and is now well under way to producing another great side.
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Sydney, maybe mate, but i would rather have that than going futher into debt to pay the grotesque wages ,of the likes of rvp and rooney , but then the glazers could aways delvalue your club more , by floating more empty shares of man utd on the stock-market just to pay their wages lol..............lfc
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How will you be debt free by next season exactly?
I see Liverpool very much as a team 'on the edge' - if you don't get back in the CL in the next 2/3 years (which is a real possibility) I think you will find it hard to get back there at all permanently, perhaps just getting there once every so often like an Everton or Spurs. You need to capitalise whilst you have the likes of Suarez and Agger in the team as if you're still in mid-table in 2 years time players of that quality will surely move on
This Sunday I see being a tight game (as ever), a draw is likely but I will predict a 2-1 win to United so long as we have RVP/Kagawa on the pitch
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Also, what's that lfc, re: diving...were you talking about Wellbeck or Suarez or do you just have a selective memory? ; )
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Clearly you have little knowledge of how things work at Manchester United. For a start our debt isn't increasing, our debt is lowering at a considerable rate lfc.
We will find out how much we pay in wages tomorrow, but it will be no more than 46% of our turnover, as apposed to 71% like Liverpool's wage/revenue ratio.
Manchester United are a profitable club, a money making machine to be fair, F$G are spending £1m of their own cash every week just to stop you from going bust.
Trust me when I say that European Cups is the ONLY thing that Liverpool fans have on us, in every other single way we will outdo you and are superior to you.
Sydney!
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Did lfc say he would rather have the youngsters on peanuts wages rather than Rooney and RVP on bigger wages? Thats because Liverpool cant afford their wages whilst United can. The difference between a big club and, well, Liverpool.
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17 Sep 2012 13:48:53
I wonder does SAF intend to play Powell frequently this season, or did he only play him because we were going to win anyway, and it was a good time to introduce him.
Basically, will he use him a lot, or send him back to the reserves? If it's the latter, would it have been better to loan him back to Crewe for the season so he would get lots of game-time.
He certainly looks like a fantastic player, I'd love to see Tunners behind Kagawa and Powell to see how they would combine in a mid-three
J Bones.
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If he was going to loan him out it would have been to a Championship club. But I think he will involve him as and where he can
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I think that depends on how he does. To start with i would expect him to be given some cameo apperances in games that we are comfortable in and a few starts in the cups. If he grabs his chance with both hands and shows he is good enough then Sir Alex has shown he will reward such ability with more game time. He won't be first choice for a year or two at least but he can be a regular if he takes his chances.
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Agree with Shappy's post. SAF has clearly stated he's for the 1st team and not going on loan. He was only brought on because we were in a comfortable position but he will be given other chances along the same lines to show what he can do. We all know that if you impress it doesn't matter how young you are at this club. Perhaps we will see Powell in the Cap 1 Cup game v Newcastle?
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17 Sep 2012 13:26:08
hi guys,i looking towards the champions league tomorrow and when manchester united play their game,and then against liverpool,i know we struggle against liverpool but not this time.its our turn now,if liverpool lose this game even if they get a draw then i'm sure they gonna struggle this season 1-3 too us manchester united fans i have a good feeling about the match,cheers guys zee;)
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17 Sep 2012 12:35:52
I am fed up of people on here that keep saying Evra should be kept because of his history or Loyalty... A player should be kept if they can still play at the clubs level and Evra has not been at that level for a few years and has lost a a lot of traits he once had including Pace.... You see Scholes who can still control games at the highest level and still mix it with the best then Giggs who may have lost a lot of his game due to pace being his main threat but he plays a handful of games and would not be worth selling..... Evra is poor and will only get poorer he gets next to no assists and no goals when in a team that expects to win pretty much all the time and have a lot of attacks and use wing play the majority of time which should mean our full backs should be aiming for at least minimum 5 assists and 3 goals.
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Evra is a still a good all round player. He does make some mistakes and he is better attacking than defending, but he is coitted, has a great engine and loyal. That counts for something.
But then i like Nani too. :|
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17 Sep 2012 07:06:05
Hate to say it but I agree with me fellow Red Irish Rover.
Never have we been for the taking like we are this Sunday.
Disorganized, no confidence, piss poor defence and no forwards. We just not good right now, though will right with time.
Really I expect a walkover for you boys.
With all circumstances favouring you this much right now, the pressure is really on you to get a result.
Hopefully both sets of fans will be on their behaviour and will see a good game.
...nadir
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I am not being funny, but it's in the script for Liverpool to win this weekend due to recent events. However I hope we rip up the script and write one of our own, we'll see.
Sydney!
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The excuses are coming in nice and early this year. The issue is, in these games form goes out the window. Liverpools biggest game of the year is against United in the league, and no matter how poor they've been Scousers always up their game because they don't know when the next time they'll play a big game is.
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Hedging their bets already- playing rubbish so shouldnt get anything etc but as Sydney says it is written for the pool - 5 games in without a win - United at Anfield - can see the headlines on monday morning.
Only good thing for us is that Liverpool are away on the thursday night in the Europa league so hopefully we will be fresher on Sunday.
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Agreed form goes out the window when we play Liverpool. If Liverpool win we will have the inevitable that there supporters will be saying that's there season started and they are going to romp toward the top of the league. Then they will do the usual struggling to beat anyone around or below them. I personally am going with a draw. Van Persie to score and Gerrard to score because he usually finds an extra 10% against United even though he has been poor this season.
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He's been playing at about 50% for the last 2 years, he just manages to find the extra 50% against us.
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For most teams, the game against Manchester United is their biggest game of the year. It's most teams cup final in a sense, purely because of the significance if other teams beat us. I'm looking forward to seeing that added pressure to City this year, being 'Champions' they will find that teams will muster that extra 10%. Watch them crumble! Next Sunday will be a great close game! I think we'll edge it though.
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I think your right Andy, look at Stoke last weekend. It's won thing to win a championship but to strut like a champion and win when everyone wants to knock you down is much harder.
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It's been like that for years for us, whether it's a newly relegated team. Manchester United are the pinnicle of the premier league, the impetus it gives teams if they beat us. I know that read extremely arrogant and biased as a fan but it's true. Teams turn it up a notch or two because of our illustrious cabinet, teams will start to do it with City now too.
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17 Sep 2012 00:11:28
G.A.G.U.S and Sydney do you guy's just sit and watch clips on Moura from youtube? he runs runs runs does a bit of skill then loses the ball he is not one of the best young talents in the world hence the reason he does not make the Brazil team,The lad Oscar that chelsea signed has far more potential then him.
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What a bad way of looking at a players potetial. Moura, whether you like it or not, is one of the best young players in the world. Is it because we didn't sign him? I bet it is.
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I agree gagus... lucas moura has the ability to become a great of his generation along with neymar, rodriguez, eriksen, gotze, hazard, iturbe, de gea, courtois, muniain, henriquez, powell and varane.... they all have the capability to be great maybe not the messi/ronaldo level but a rvp, rooney, benzema etc kind of level.
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Moura is a good player but wouldn't make my top 5
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Jred, I agree I would probably put Oscar ahead of him and even Ganso when fit and on form. Both of these slipped my mind yesterday.
Sydney!
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It made me laugh when he says lucas doesn't make the brazil team
oscar is 21 and has played for brazil 9times
lucas is 20 and has twice as many games for them
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Lucas is 19.
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Oscar is massivley over rated.
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