Manchester United Banter Archive January 18 2014

18 Jan 2014 23:13:59
no matter what the result tomorrow let's not be like every other club and call for the managers head let's be different because we are different we are Manchester United and we do what we want! glory glory!

Most of us won't but there will be the usual drama queens predicting the end of the world.

In Moyes we trust.

We're expected to lose. So we have nothing to lose. We just want the team to perform with courage and style.
drama queens? We've lost 6 matches already. We're 14 points behind arsenal. And we've played clueless football. I hardly call anyone criticising a" drama queen".
Shall we just go along and pretend all is great.

No don't get me wrong the garden is far from rosey but from a club that has given us so much let's give as much as we can back and stand behind them. UNITED . regardless what happens . anyway I would bet my house that we will not be beaten today! come on united! we are at our best when we are backed into a corner. beware jose. beware ;-)

Perhaps the ones who saw Sir Matt being replaced by a coach with insufficient experience or gravitas are more worried about watching a repeat of that outcome. We are all allowed an opinion and it would be a dull site if we can't express it.

Nomidfield, I use the term, 'drama queen' on here quite regularly, and do you want to know why?

Because it's a flippin game of football. In the big scheme of things, it is not in the slightest bit important.

18 Jan 2014 19:30:33
Any views on Suarez today or Sterling last week. I realize I am highly biased but I say both are dives and why is the media not vilifying these guys.

Anyway decent result from where we are sitting.

{Ed004's Note - Im sorry but they were 'Spanish penalties' and both players were 'smart'. Typical media its mainly full of scousers so don't get your hopes up about them being criticised}

I was watching the game in the USA and the commentator, Lee Dixon, said it was a clear dive and he was looking to con the ref.

He bites. He dives. He hates the jackson 5. Lewis suarez, lewis suarez. Johnson dives the whole time for sunderland. Sterling and suarez dive for liverpool and nothing said. If a united player dives it makes the back pages and the gaffer is hounded about it in post match interviews.where s the fairness there???

What do you expect sky are so biased when it comes to Liverpool one thing for sure is if young did that tomorrow we would get slated by every corner of the media

Glad u said that ed I've been saying that for years!

Like you said Ed, 2 stone wall Spanish penalties! If Moyes had said that the press would have ripped him to shreds. Its not that I even begrudge the Scousers a couple of dodgy penalties, as we have had plenty ourselves over the years. But what gets on my jubblies is the constant biased opinions of the football pundits and some parts of the media. Last week on tv they were all complementary of Sterling for "clever play" and "drawing the foul from the defender". Bollox, a dive is a dive. All this about there being "contact" is rubbish, players now are going down before they even come into contact with an opposing player, but that is a topic that could go on for hours on end and is of course not just down to Liverpool players.
The only way to stop it is for retrospective action to be taken using video footage of the incident, and players found guilty of cheating facing an instant 3 match ban. As long as the panel isn't made up of ex Liverpool players of course :)

You lot do make me laugh, welbeck, jumanji, valencia, ronaldo, shrek, berbatov and the king of splash ashley young! Ed04 you sound like mourinho maybe you should complain to whoever gives a toss about who works for who! When did Man U turn into Everton? Bitterness hey!

{Ed004's Note - Im bitter about?? I'm just stating the obvious, websites have run full articles on Januzaj and Oscar this year lets see what's said about Suarez. Though wasn't it last year Liverpool came on here saying we always got the refs decisions and complained yet now it has 'changed' they hypocritical condemn us for pointing it out}

It looks like the media have already made up their minds on player of the year.They are trying to ensure that Suarez gets as little criticism as possible this season as some think he was unduly treated last season.
Definitely double standards, as Man Utds big name players down thru the years like Keano, Cantona, Ronaldo and now Januzaj got slated at every opportunity.

Here in peace today and totally agree with these posts. Check out the RS site for my comments direct to the Kopites.

18 Jan 2014 18:26:53
It would appear that I owe DannyP an apology. A few weeks ago I posted that we should get behind the club and the manager. At the end of my post, thee was another sentence that I decided wasn't necessary so I deleted it, but inadvertently left the word believe behind. It wasn't even intentional. Later, DannyP posted a bit of a sarcastic post about "BELIEVING", which I thought was tacking the p@*s out of my post responded which some quip about his chidish nonsense. After todays thread about "believing", I sort of get that this is an ongoing thing, and was not aimed at me. So if you're about Danny, my apologies. In future I will try to keep up. And believe :)

Betty

I believe Danny's use of it is sarcastic and aimed at a different poster.

With the joke being that our shortcomings on the pitch will impove not by the board spending the required money to replace poor player, or Moyes modernising his tactics and strategies, but by us fans simply believing in the players.

Betty, no need to apologise. It was childish nonsense, but it wasn't aimed at you.

Now I hope we have all been believing extra hard over the next 24 hours.

How can we not "believe" we're UNITED.

No, fair play Danny for some silly reason I took it as a dig at me at the time. Some people just think its all about them don't they! lol :)

18 Jan 2014 17:56:02
Well looks like we are not going to get anyone signed this window. Does anyone actually beleive we will get any of the names mentioned in the summer then?
If we don't then who is to blame? Moyes, for not being appealing enough to a player to join him, Woodward for not agreeing the terms with player and club, or glazers for not releasing the money.
Personally I don't think the glazers will trust moyes with 200m transfer kitty. I think they will give him a 50 mil to spend and see what he does with that. If he fails to transform the team next year he will be gone.
I still personally think he will get 2 years or just over 2 years max in charge, because their investment won't be worth Mutch, being buisness men not football fans they won't care about ferguson Charlotte, moyes or any other person opinion.
This is my opinion so before all you moyes hungers come on and slate me, you need to remember we are not the underdog team we are supposed to be champions of the premier league. But tomorrow we are the underdog .3.1 Chelsea I'm afraid

Charlotte, Charlotte, who the f@#* is Charlotte?

We will spend close to a 100 mill in the summer on 3 to 4 signings. The summer is a long way away and we still have 10 days in this window and might see 2 coming in.

God United

Do you realy beleive they will risk giving moyes that kind of money?
If yes why wasn't it given last season to spend?

Because he wasn't here last season?

Draig

You have been one of the most pessimistic supporters on this site for a long time and no matter what I say, you have a view that either there is no money or the ownership does not trust DM.

I disagree and we will wait and see how the next 10 days go and how the summer goes.

I am not as doom and gloom like you and although just as frustrated by the fact of not seeing the big signing in this widow, I tend to think they are just not available for many reasons that has already been discussed.

I would rather sign 3 top players than a conveyor belt of lots of average players and maybe we will have to wait till the summer.

Finally one of us will agree with the other come end of this summer. I will agree with you completely if we fail to buy but until then we will have to wait and see.

I think you are extremely paranoid to believe owners run a club the way you envision it and somehow want to see it fail or its manager to fail.

The owners.
We're the only big team who have a problem securing the players we want. it's either wages, agent fees or bidding a few million below the asking price/trying to get players on the cheap.

These are all financial issues, none of which involve David Moyes. It's not his money.

18 Jan 2014 13:02:32
I don't understand how people here think that a loss is certain. have we forgotten how negatively Jose approaches Big matches? The Real Madrid ties?, or the Inter Milan Ones where his team never managed a goal over 2 legs?.
This is Jose Mourinho we are talking about, I won't bet against him setting out 6 in midfield again, just like he did the last time.
P.S. Just a reminder, Chelsea finished with 5 defenders and 2 defensive mids in the reverse fixture. We will miss RVP and Wayne sure, but the negativity here is criminal
Cheer Up

They will definitely be more attacking at home, he sees this as one they should win whilst he was happy to draw at old trafford.
I have a sneaky feeling it will be a lot closer than everybody expects and can see us drawing 1-1.
And a win would be huge for us and a real season changer. You never know

DJ

I agree and Mourinho admitted yesterday he tried not to lose in the away game at OT.

I don't have any issues if we set up for a draw and kill the game like he does. People criticize dm when he does that but when Mourinho does it, he is a genius who breathes through his b…t hole:)

It would be interesting to see how he behaves if they get a couple of bad results.

You mean play six midfielders like barca do a lot?

Cgu, when Moyes does it, he still picks two wingers and we end up losing.
Mourinho and Moyes are not in the same league tactically, trophy wise, experience. So let's not build up Moyes, we are all waiting to see if he's capable of achieving anything, and right now, he's not given anyone any hope.
Having said all that, I'm hoping the players walk out and give their all, and show that we are champions. Not happened many times so far this season.

@Nomidfield

Moyes has no option but to play with wingers, because that is how the squad is.

We do not have the players to play another way.

Moyes was never known for wing play at Everton, quite the opposite actually. He has tried inverted wingers with Kagawa and Januzaj.

Nomid

That is completely bs and the personnel available at each club dictates how they are set up. I am not sure if you realize we have 4 midfielders, which have almost at all times not been available in the squad against 6 wingers mate.

You can be football manager all you want but the reality is when you have giggs at 40, fellaini out, Cleverly, Carrick (just back) and now fletcher(just back) try and field a team without wingers.

This is fergie's team and over the years he was known to buy winger after winger as his philosophy was always to play with 2 wingers.

Go ahead and put your team sheet up and be football manager if you want to be and show me how tactically you know better.

"You mean play six midfielders like barca do a lot?"

Nomid

Typical how you can defend some guy at a rival club for whatever he does. Says a lot about what we are dealing with (:

Wow, calm down CGu. Let's go ahead and play with two wingers and see what happens. We do have three midfielders so we have to play them.
Non of us are football managers, but we all know where Chelsea's strength is. So it is common sense to try to stop them. If we have two wingers hurtling up front on the wings, it will leave us exposed. Do you not agree? Or am I missing something?

I am calm

So who do you play and what formation?

The issue for us without width is we can look awful and look very disjointed.

This is the problem when you build team after team for yonkers whose game is based on wingers and width.


As they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

Nomidfield

GCUs aim in life is to make us all believe Moyes is the only answer and Mourinho is hopeless, he is surprisingly aggressive in how he goes about it, a true keyboard warrior. Those pesky trophies Mourinho has stacked up are a bit of a problem in the argument though.
The key today is what we play in central midfield and how we bridge the midfield and attack. We can play two wide players if we have three centrally but one of those centrally needs to be able to link play but not be a second striker. The wide players need to tuck in when we haven't got the ball and Evra needs to watch his positional play. Two wide players and two upfront would be a mistake. We may also try to put Jones on Hazard as an option. We can't afford Welbeck to be his usual profligate self today, he needs to be mobile and use the extra pace he has on Terry to get past him. Depends who partners Terry but if it is Luiz he tends to get caught out of position. My concern would be conceding an early goal because we haven't displayed any fight this season, too phlegmatic. We have to fight today.

Redman

Not you again, I thought we had the chi kin little thing yesterday and everyone now understands it. Where is my fly swatter.

Humor me put up your formation and team sheet. Remember nomid thinks we should line up without wingers and DM is tactically naive when he puts out a team that has width.

I am just curious to see the genius in you and send out a united team that you believe works for today.

GCU

What we cannot do is play with two wide players and only two in central midfield. Personally I would put Jones, Carrick and Kagawa centrally with Januzaj and Valencia being asked to be responsible when we haven't got the ball and don't both go all out forward at the same time. Welbeck will have to be up front. My thoughts are that Chelsea's full backs are the area to look at particularly if he plays a right footer at left back which may suit Valencia. I might be tempted at the start to tell Jones to stay on Hazard. We also need to be aware of height particularly if Matic plays so Jones could be important in midfield. If he put Jones, Fletcher and Carrick centrally it would be more defensive yet we might struggle to link with attack and would rely too heavily on Januzaj who I think may get targeted.

18 Jan 2014 09:00:58
No r.v.p. No rooney. They ll be no better chance for kagawa and welbeck to state their claim. If they excell sunday and januzaj the boy wonder has a good game. Who knows? I've e100 on us at 11/10 +1 . Come on united

We have in the past performed our best when our backs are against the wall and we are notable underdogs. I want to see that fighting spirit tomorrow. We have more of a chance than most people give us credit for. Get the formation right and break quickly and we have a chance and you could make some money.

You bet £100 on United to win? Mourinho has never lost at home. And we have no Rooney or rvp, Jones. Brave man but you never know, anything can happen. I hope we win just so you can win the money.
Agree with red man, we have to get the formation right. Also, we have to show courage, more than we've done so far this season. If we do that, then we have a chance.
It goes without saying, that this match is very important. But especially so as we have been completely written off by all. It will be a big confidence booster to the team, and more so to Moyes. In my opinion, he needs to win away against the big teams to make him believe.

He's bet +1 nm, so a win or a draw.

Whoops, sorry, didn't see that. £100 is brave anyway, but I'll be celebrating for him if we win especially.

Everything points to a chelsea win.
Mourinho home record, our poor form, best players missing, them hitting top form and hazard on fire.
Its a long long time since we have been so expected to lose a match, 7/2 for us to win.
Because of all this I think we will be so pumped up for it and desperate to prove wrong. I think it will be tight and we will scrape a draw.
Hope you win your bet.

I bet a draw too and must admit this one is more from the heart than the head.

I've got £50 on us to win outright at 4/1. Huge price & call me crazy but I see us getting at least a point tomorrow

You're crazy, but I really hope we win.

Great odds, got to be worth a bet.

4/1 in a 3 horse race?
Fantastic odds.

Get behind the team peeps. Time for Welbeck and Januzaj to shine :)

Just gutted inspite of having 2 season tickets I can NEVER get away tickets!

Anything can happen in a football match.

18 Jan 2014 08:06:05
We shall fight away from home, & with growing confidence in the air. We shall defend Old Trafford, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight them from set pieces, we shall fight across the ground; the midfield, the boxes & the wings. We shall never surrender.

Ah, but will we get past the halfway line and score goals!

Ngiak wonders where were these words of inspiration and motivation when we lost the home games this season
Gone are the days when ngiak believed that
It's a new reality that the fans are getting used to
Not what the players have to prove
gan