Manchester United Banter Archive June 18 2018

 

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18 Jun 2018 21:00:19
Here we go again. Tunisia lose a group game and some of them break down in tears, and they weren’t the only ones. Pathetic.

Nice to see Wngland creating so many chances, Jesse had an off day on front of goal and I thought Sterling was his usual frustrating self. Rashford looked bouncy when he came on as did Loftus Cheek, nice start from a young team.

However, how does Maguire get to play for England? Astounding.

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18 Jun 2018 21:45:54
Sorry but I've always rated Maguire - is better than our English centre backs and is not scared of bringing the ball out of defence. Dare I say like a young Alan Hansen😆😆.

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18 Jun 2018 21:47:38
I thought Jesse was the standout player in the first half and it is only because he didn't score that others will overlook how well he played. With regard to Maguire I think he had a solid match. He was obviously very nervous and don't forget he doesn't play olfor a big club like Utd so he will not have encountered the expectation that brings on a regular basis. I thought he was generally quite composed and I liked the way he tried to come out of defence with the ball thus making a Tunisian player have to approach him freeing up one of our midfielders.

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18 Jun 2018 21:53:22
Maguire is a mistake waiting to happen, slow and poor positionally a decent side will single him out just like the Germans did with Jagielka.

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18 Jun 2018 21:56:44
I like his heart and he can bring the ball forward but call me old fashioned, I like my defenders to know how to defend. I think he’s careless with the ball.

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18 Jun 2018 22:07:01
How did the Kane being wrestled thing go to var and then the var ref says no foul I'd love to see the var ref try to justify it . Henderson had a good game and Jesse's runs were great but his finishing wasn't so good.

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18 Jun 2018 22:14:56
That 3 at the back are all good ball players agreed they are a little nervous at times but far from accidents waiting to happen. They open teams up with those forward charges it really is refreshing to see i only wish United did the same 😆😆.

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18 Jun 2018 22:23:53
Totally agree, Tony. Maguire looks great striding out of defence, but some of his slack passing at the back would have been punished by better teams. I think England did ok. Should have wrapped it up by half-time, and Tunisia got what they deserved for playing for a draw after they scored, and trying to frustrate England with a lot of calculated, niggly fouls. Deserved win.

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18 Jun 2018 19:00:07
O jeez. no Rashford. my gawwwddd. and he was like meesi and ronaldo combined in the last practice match.

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18 Jun 2018 20:42:42
Eh no he wasn't.

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18 Jun 2018 21:02:42
What has been missed is the fact that before the last friendly Southgate said the players are competing for a starting role. Rashford had a blinder in that friendly, then is on the bench - does not compute with me, complete lies!

When will people start being accountable for what they actually say again.

At least we won in the end. PLEASE Jose buy a LB, Ashley Young brings absolutely nothing to the table, maybe less than Henderson.

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{Ed004's Note - Rashford picked up a knock last week and only came back in the last training session. I'm assuming he was left out because Southgate was protecting him. However, I think he left his subs to late and they weren't really attacking changes. A cb could have easily been subbed of for a more attacking player. Dele struggled after the knock he picked up early and felt Rashford could have came on for him earlier in the contest}

18 Jun 2018 21:27:33
Hard to disagree Ed. Was saying we could have took Walker off and pushed someone forward. Sterling was awful. No ball retention at all. Panics and just kicks it forward. Move Ali inside and put Rashford on the left for next game for me. Thought we looked very strong at set peices which is a positive. Not a bad performance but could easily be better.

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18 Jun 2018 22:16:13
Rash will get more time as the tournament goes on i hope. Should have been 3 ahead half time. Not as good 2nd half but controlled the game. Deserved to win. Decent start with an even easier game next it is all down to the Belgium game to see who will top the group.

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18 Jun 2018 22:25:14
It was always going to be a tough decision between Sterling and Rashford. Marcus's knock made the decision much easier.

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19 Jun 2018 08:40:57
No I'm serious mate, vast majority of the games have been like watching teams of strangers play - just like watching Utd. There are moments of quality, but on the whole the quality of football has been pretty poor. Very few good chances created, loads of set-piece goals.

Internationals are often like this (especially early on in tournaments), it's to be expected - but it does remind me a lot of when I watch us almost every game. We have quality players but it's all very individualistic with not much trust/ know-how with your comrades in arms. Thing is I expect the quality teams to gel as the tournament progresses, we on the other hand look just the same game 1 of the season to game 50.

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18 Jun 2018 16:33:54
Belgium look so good on paper yet so poor on the field, Panama look at ease so far.

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18 Jun 2018 17:03:51
There are a few teams who you can say that about. France and Argentina man for man probably have one of the toughest squads to assemble as they genuinely have so many players who should be there. Yet both are flattering to decieve.

Germany and Brazil were the bookies tips to win it. Yet both looked off the pace and venerable yesterday albeit probably against the toughest opponents they have in their groups.

Fact is you won't really see what these teams are capable of until the knock-out rounds. With these competitions it's not how you start them but how you finish them.

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18 Jun 2018 17:24:48
It's what I hate about International Football - below average managers for the most part expected to figure out how to gel a team full of superstars, never going to happen! Then you have 1-2 average players that mess up the moves the team develops. When I look at Germany dropping Sane, Belgium dropping Nainggolan and various others you just know what to expect.

I am about to throw a chunk of change on England for the World Cup, I have seen nothing so far that scares me. It has been a World Cup full of Man Utd's so far - maybe this could be the year!

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18 Jun 2018 17:52:09
Probably better off chucking your change off the white cliffs of Dover. Same end result, but at least you’ll get a nice trip out of it.

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18 Jun 2018 18:10:03
Yet 3-0 it is. Seemed like a Jose team out there didn't it.

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18 Jun 2018 20:53:56
UA, I thought the same, dull football, Lukaku having to come deep to create something, and a player on the left running wild but losing the ball selfishly repetitively.

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18 Jun 2018 22:33:23
Yeah scholes😂😂😂😂.

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18 Jun 2018 22:34:24
Are you having a laugh beast?

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18 Jun 2018 23:35:07
AAA,

On a different planet some of his posts.

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18 Jun 2018 13:56:09
Seems to have all gone quiet for us after Dalot and Fred signings. even saw random article on MEN saying we'll only sign one more, likely to be a CB and that's it.

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18 Jun 2018 14:18:20
Wouldn't surprise me but I think we might see 2 or 3 more, the MEN have about as much of a clue as you do so wouldn't really trust what they are saying.

I don't think we need too many, we need to focus on getting the players we have playing well IMO.

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18 Jun 2018 14:53:59
think the reason its gone silent is the world cup being on.

every club is in the same boat.

2 in the bag so far still plenty of time left in the window.

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18 Jun 2018 16:12:01
Do any of the ed's know if Tuanzebe has returned to Manchester United after his loan stint with Villa and is he likely to go back out on loan somewhere next season?

I really think he will be one the casualties in Mourinho's tendency to keep loaning young players out and it will be another Salah, Pogba, De Bruyne, Lukaku style mistake. I think this lad has so much raw talent.

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{Ed001's Note - he has returned but I have no idea what the plan is for him next season. Usually, going by what most clubs are doing who have players away at the World Cup, they are holding off on making a decision on youngsters as they need them in pre-season games.}

18 Jun 2018 16:19:04
Thanks ed that makes sense :-)

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{Ed001's Note - welcome mate. It does always make things a bit difficult but it is a very good chance for players in the youth team to force their way into the first team reckoning.}

18 Jun 2018 16:37:54
Dont forget we have 2-3 players infront of Tuanzebe that we should probably move on to make space for him but we will probably struggle to move on due to the high wages their on.

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18 Jun 2018 11:51:26
With reports that Savic may be to costly and possibly off to Juve, I was wondering if anyone knew of any interest or possibly continued interest in Leander Dendoncker as an alternative option for CM?

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{Ed002's Note - Mourinho was interested in Leander Dendoncker when he was at Chelsea and he is not a central midfield player and right now his agent is talking to other sides about the player - with one club in discussions on Friday who are looking to see if something can be done whilst he is in Russia. MU have other targets in mind.}

18 Jun 2018 13:37:18
Ed002, Are options still the same as you mentioned on your last update?

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{Ed002's Note - Pretty much. Golovin interest of Mourinho's came back as I explained but don't expect anything to happen there - a couple of other sides are much better placed.}

18 Jun 2018 14:01:58
Thanks Ed002 for quick response.

Casemiro and Kroos.

Seri and Vidal (unlikely)

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18 Jun 2018 15:10:48
Ed002, looking back at the posts I see you mentioned the below as our midfield targets, other then Fred is there anymore to be added to or taken off the list?

many thanks

Jorginho (CM/ DM) – player wants MC
Casemiro (DM) – a JM favourite
Fabinho (DM) - not first choice – doubtful

Toni Kroos (M) wanted by JM but not by the club – but JM may get his way
Arturo Vidal (CM) – age/ price makes him unlikely but JM likes him
Jean Michael Seri (M) – I would strike him from the list – talking to another PL side
Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (CM) – could be priced out of a move
Fred (CM) - alternative to SMS and Kroos.

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{Ed002's Note - Aside from what I have already said, no.}

18 Jun 2018 16:38:10
Thanks Ed.

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18 Jun 2018 11:20:33
If you guys haven’t seen it yet give lukaku’s article on the players tribune a read. Emotional stuff. I didn’t think I could love the bloke more but after reading the article I have even more admiration for him. From where he has come to, to where he is now is incredible. Amazing mental fortitude and attitude to be the best. He really has the united mentality, which a number of our players could learn from. Give him some proper service next year and he will score for fun.

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18 Jun 2018 11:49:36
Nothing but respect for him. This is a driven guy, don’t think anything will stop him growing as a player. For me he’s a future captain.

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18 Jun 2018 12:05:30
Couldn’t agree more Danny. I’m into two minds whether De Gea or Rom should get it. Either way we need leaders all across the pitch and Rom has surprised with his leadership. When he was at Everton, I thought he was a bit mopey and lazy. But he has proved me so wrong and it’s been great to see his development. With his hunger and desire, the only way is up.

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18 Jun 2018 12:45:02
Totally agree Park. I don't know why lukaku gets so much stick on here? The guy has been brilliant this season and despite the below average service he's received from our non existent wingers and fullbacks.

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18 Jun 2018 12:46:25
he got slated on here when he was going through a difficult patch without scoring.

his work rate is top draw.

as you say given more service he would have scored more.

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18 Jun 2018 13:56:35
I posted the link to it but wasn't sure I was allowed to do that so guessing it didn't get posted. Amazing article, some brilliant lines in there. How am i going to be a pro at 16 if I am not even playing for the under 19s regularly. What an attitude to have, we are lucky to have him and I would also not be against him being captain. It will be Toni V for now though I suspect.

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18 Jun 2018 14:32:55
Spot on AAA. I feel he gets an unfair rep as a ‘flat track bully’ or unintelligent which is very unfair. He is very intelligent and can speak 6 languages I believe. His first touch can still improve a lot more but his game has come on leaps and bounds. Give him service and he scores. Some of this through balls this year were brilliant. Just love the guy and nothing would please me more than to see him succeed and become a club legend.

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18 Jun 2018 15:29:51
The criticism comes for his link play, the play can often breakdown when he gets involved. He has improved in that department though, but it still breaks down when he gets involved.

However he has been very good on the whole. Works hard, gets into good positions, scores. Not too much more you can ask for. Not many people have been critical of him this year, in fact I can't remember the last critical post about him.

If we actually played to his strengths and had midfield runners supporting at pace, balls whipped in when the opportunity allows (looking at Young and Valencia here who seem to cross it aimlessly when Lukaku isn't playing then refuse it when he is), then he will be a goal machine. We need better fullbacks and more focus on creating chances, rather than limiting chances though for him to be top scorer next season.

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{Ed004's Note - Look at his goal scoring record for Belgium where he has the likes of Hazard, De Bruyne and Muenier etc supplying him. He has come on leaps and bounds this year. I'm expecting a big season for him next year and have put money on him to get the golden boot at world cup}

18 Jun 2018 16:04:48
Same here Ed got 18/ 1. Hedged my bets and went for Aguero as well, got 33/ 1 WTF!

Sanchez, Pogba and (hopefully new signing) should be the equivalent, so hoping for 40+ goals from the big man next season. All down to the manager learning from his first 2 seasons and taking on board the constructive criticism.

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{Ed004's Note - I agree Beast. Some odds there on Aguero but Argentina were appalling the other day can't see them going far. A right side attacker would add massively to us. Bale if kept fit would 100% transform our attack although I reckon that is unlikely now}

18 Jun 2018 17:34:48
Cha Ching, Lu-Lu-Lukaku! haha.

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{Ed004's Note - 15 Mins still to go...}

Review Of The Day 18th June 2018

18 Jun 2018 06:40:28
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 18th June 2018

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18 Jun 2018 10:28:36
The chant was insulting but not meant to offend, what is wrong with this world today.

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