Manchester United Banter Archive May 18 2014

18 May 2014 21:47:14
Which Premier League club has the best training faclities?

What was question 4?

Looking at Steve Bruce yesterday I can safely say it isn't Hull :)

Ste.

surely questions 2 and 3 come next?

Well I'd believe that both money bags would have the best looking facilities as they would write of most of their bills and Fair play rules on keeping them up to scratch.

But what I have learned in life! is that looks are not everything. That being said it all comes down to how the staff, treat you and make you feel while in these places.

It was a pub quiz joke haha

Sherwood said its Tottenham? Surely not? It's got to be us or city?

MU had a multimillion pound upgrade in the past couple of years. They also have their own high grade medical equipment. Not sure if anyone else has this yet. City and MU would be my guess, but no doubt Chelsea & Spurs have excellent facilities too.

18 May 2014 17:20:58
Hi Guys

Has anyone got any idea when we will announce our new manager.I really thought it would be today or tomorrow as the Dutch side have 2 days off but still it is very quiet on the Van Gall front.

My guess would be tomorrow when the US markets open.

I've had a word with Louis and he said it will be announced this week.

Lucky for some. He never calls me back.

18 May 2014 16:40:39
Hello Everyone

A question or rather your views on the following please

Going by the 433 formation that everybody suddenly seems so obsessed with or the "system" of our soon to be announced manager LvG, where does juan mata fit in. Assuming we do get two CMs this window, do you guys feel that mata may take up the remaining 3rd position in the midfield. As for me I think he would be too light weight for such a position and certainly he doesn't prefer to play on either wings. So what do you learned people suggest or feel would be the position for mata.

I certainly feel that if we are going to play the system, mata has more to lose than rooney or even fellaini.

Suggestions please.

By the way great work Eds. Super site

Shan

I think Mata may be sold as I just can't see where he fits. Old Trafford is massive as well, there was no logic in signing him other than a desperate attempt to galvanise the fans and players. It failed, Moyes lost his job and now Mata is a bit of a square peg. World Class in the right team, formation and league - but not enough pace unfortunately.

Mata is a great # so ofc he takes up one of the 3 mids don't be silly

Beast, Mata is not going to be sold. Mata is a "square peg" in your opinion, the other 99.999% of us will beg to differ. Behave yourself son :)

I just mean in an attacking 3 - RVP up top then you need pace for the other 2. I doubt he is going to sit in the centre of midfield, maybe the formation will change to accommodate him but I believe last season was a farce because a lot of the games we were trying to accommodate our best players rather than adjusting the system. Mata, Rooney, RVP doesn't have enough pace as an attacking 3. I think Mata & Rooney could be off.

Mata is the best # 10 we have in our team he cost us nearly 40 mil plus he is class cmon! stop being daft

Im not saying he isn't. Did you read Shan's post? He is asking where he fits in the proposed formation, my answer is he doesn't because he isn't pacey enough. It's like saying Rio would be the best sweeper so he has to play, but we don't play with a sweeper so it's pointless?!

If we are playing with one in the hole then without doubt Mata has to play, he is the best in that position. BUT if we don't play with a specific number 10 then I would sell him because he is not effective out wide and not strong enough for CM.

Mata will play as the furthest most midfield player (CAM) in a LVG system he won't be sold! He likes as many lines in his formation as possible.

Mata also played a lot for Valencia on the left. He would definately be able to play left of a forward 3 or old fashioned inside left similar to how Pedro plays at Barca as well as in midfield. I understand the point but class always shines through. When need be is rather have mata left and Kagawa as one of the advanced central midfielders.

I think Mata has a big part to play next season.

Sam, couldn't agree more, I am looking forward to watching Mata next season. Quality player and will score shedloads next season.

It will not be 3 flat mids just because the formation says 4 3 3 don't mean anything mata will be right behind rvp

Firstly 433 is van Gaal's standard default formation setting before he tweaks it on a game by game basis utilising different variants depending on the opposition so it makes sense to figure out how it would work.

Assuming van Persie as the 9 with some combination of Valencia, Nani, Young, Januzaj, Zaha (and those are what e have available at THIS moment in time, this is not presupposing ins or outs as yet) as the 7 or 11 (and these are the most likely I can't really see Mata in one of those positions)

Then this leaves the middle 3. 6 8 and 10. 6 would be the midfield platform. Fellaini maybe, Strootman if h was fit, Carvalho perhaps. 8 would be the box to box type who we currently lack and 10 would be either Mata or Kagawa. Now depending on who gets signed for the 6 and 8 roles they would have enough combativeness to allow Mata or Kagawa to play as 10. The whole too lightweight thing is a flawed argument.

We might even see van Gaal try to get both Mata and Kagawa into the same starting line up based on how well they linked up in a few games.

18 May 2014 06:56:30
I know the pres are full of nonsense but please God, not Robben and Sagna. If LVG trusts youth and wants to build a team, let's not start with 2 players over 30. Robber is a class act but an unpleasant one, and Sagna isn't good enough. Their age though is the biggest thing that concerns me.

Yeah totally agree. Robben is undeniably class and one of the better attacking mids in the world right now but his age and attitude are concerning, not to mention his wage would be pretty substantial and United should really be looking towards youth.

I agree I hope lvg builds a team for the future rather than a short term fix

I disagree. I think that Sagna on a free transfer would give good cover at right back for a couple of seasons, without taking up any of the transfer funds available. A younger right back could then be looked for in two years time.

Robben is way better than any of the other wingers we have at the club, barring our youngsters. We need to be careful how we develop the younger players - too much playing time could cause burnout. Having Robben, who clearly works well with LvG can only be good for the club. Robben on one side with Lawrence/Januzaj on the other would be good attacking potential in my view.

There is a case for Robben. Firstly, he is currently better than all of our wide options. Secondly, we are losing A LOT of experience this year, Giggs, Rio, Vidic, still maybe Evra, even players like Valencia have been here a while. We need some older professionals to help guide the younger players, Robben would only be here two or three years but could quite easily have the effect that Cantona had for SAF. He would help nurture Januzaj who would learn so much from him as well as other young players we have or might buy like Depay. The elder states men in the squad would be Robben, van Persie, Carrick, Rooney, Fletcher etc - we must keep some of them.

It's also said that LVG thinks he can get a lot out of Nani. Nani has a lot to give when he is believed in, look at that fantastic season he had when Ronaldo and Tevez left and Rooney was injured. He was doing something important every single game. We currently have wide options of Januzaj, Kagawa, Valencia, Nani and Young. Does Januzaj, Robben, Depay and Nani not sound better to you? It does to me.

I would rather have a player who will be at his peak and at the club more than 2 year.
Pedro, sanchez, reus, draxler players you can build for the future with
Im against buying players in there 30s for a short term fix.

Robben would be a fantastic acquisition for us exactly what we lack and he would demand the ball just as much as another player in our team that I dare not mention. I wasn't thinking Sagna but Mike B has a great point and I have changed my mind. We always seem to have make shift right backs playing, not only does it damage the flow of the team it means players like Smalling/Jones are constantly being played out of position and have one eye on something else.

Sagna would be good cover for Rafael and who knows may provide the kick up the backside that Rafael needed last season, nothing wrong with competition - although Sagna is a 6/10 for me.

{Ed004's Note - I would honestly rather promote Varela than pay Sagna 100k a week to be perfectly honest. I'd even sign arias for 7/8 mill on less than half the wages}

Sagna would be on 100k a week and would be a starter (you don't pay a player 100k to sit on bench)
So what you are saying is let's get a 31 year old sagna on a big contract and dump raf to the bench.
I ahree with ed004

It's tricky Ed, haven't seen much of Arias.

Varela, would you fancy him for a run of games if Rafael gets injured/sent off, which is looking more and more likely every season? With Evra, Vidic & Rio leaving we are a bit short on experience and Prem experience at the back, even DDG is young. Sagna could be a good stop gap, £100k a week isn't too big a price for guaranteed cover of decent quality.

{Ed004's Note - and why would Sagna agree to sit on our bench? He'd start for most teams in the world. I feel he is the wrong side of 30, has lost majority of his pace and could be a bad apple if he gets annoyed at not being a regular. Look at Flanagan at Liverpool or even better Luke Shaw who got his chance due to the lb getting injured. What's the point having an u21 team if we don't trust them. Also worst case scenario we still have Valencia, Jones and Smalling to cover Rafael and Varela. Tho I would prefer not to see players out of position}

Jred, what about my comparison with Cantona then? He was old but what a revelation and help he turned out to be.

Fresh
Cantona was 26 when he signed for united.

Cantona was 26 when we signed him and retired when he was 31. If Sagna and Robben were 26 I don't think many would be complaining. But they are not so I can see why some think it would be a bad deal to sign them. As long as the team and bench come the first game next season has a good range of youth and experience, I'd be happy with any player who improves us.

Cantona was 26 when he joined us and 31 when he retired, not exactly ancient Fresh.

For me, Rafael is not good enough to be our first choice rb .
We need to spend a lot of money on other positions so won't have money for a rb
Someone like Sagna on a free could be a good short term option until we can either buy someone else or else VVarela comes through

Great site chaps. I'm with Fresh, reckon LVG will want one or two players in the dressing room who already agree with his way of doing things. It's a good way to get the rest of the dressing room going your way especially when they may have more than a couple of new players joining. He probably knows Robben well in the same way he knows RVP and knows what he'll contribute on and off the field. Think Sagna on a free is also a decent signing, the back 4 needs experience to help rebuild.

Robben could have that sort of effect though, I think he would be a brilliant signing who would add so many more goals to the side while younger players develop around him.

I wouldn't mind if we signed Robben. He and RVP for the next couple of years will still be top class and if we are going to play a 433 there are a few better wingers than Robben.

The only issue with Robben would be the fee and the wages paid. If we could get him at a decent price on wages which were not crazy then he should definitely be considered.

Sagna we should steer clear of in my opinion.

Rafael under Moyes was terrible, but under SAF the season before he was one of our best players and a first name on the team sheet when fit. There is no reason why he won't get back to those levels of performance. And yes, I think that having Robben, RVP and Strootman in his dressing room would help him no end, three players that he is close to and players that are crucial to his Holland team. That is what I think he will attempt to achieve.

Fresh you contradict yourself far too much.

Fresh.
So rather than go for say a sanhcez or reus or draxler players who we can build a team for the future around you would go for a 30 year old robben.
i don't see any real benefits of buying a 30 year old player when you are trying to rebuild.
it all just sounds a bit like we should sign ANY top player.
sanga for 100k a week for rb?
How about cole for lb?
Rumour is xavi is available cm?

{Ed004's Note - The only way I would go for robben is if we had already secured a right footed winger for the left side and LvG decided he wanted to go all out for the premiership and needed someone to help Januzaj develop. Ie if we had an attack of Robben, Mata, Sanchez/reus behind RVP it would be best in the league but I'd rather we looked at cb, lb and 2 cm's before robben}

Fresh
Why is it so important that lvg has players from the dutch team . He has only been the manager there for 2 year and has been in charge for 10 competitive games.
By the end of september for example the united players will of played more games under lvg than the dutch players have

Ed I agree but I would still rather go for a top player mid 20s than robben .

Well I wouldn't want Xavi, Cole or Sagna. Robben is my exception though, and players like Reus and Sanchez are looking a bit unlikely at the moment, I would have those two over Robben but he would not be a bad signing. I don't think I want Draxler here, we need pace and that isn't his best attribute, we are slow enough in attack as it is.

To cut a long story short I 100% agree with AJH

There is absolutely no point in bringing in a player like Robben.

He is over 30.
He would cost a sizeable fee.
He would command high wages.
He will block the development of young players.
His pace will soon start to decline, and then he will be far less effective.

A main reason why the team is in decline is because we have far too many older players who are past their best. The solution is to start building a squad for the future. Why pay a shed load of money for a player who is in the twilight of his career, when he will need replacing in two years? Van Gaal is an experienced continental manager, he doesn't need dutch players to hold his hands while he settles in.

A reply to jred how can lvg be bought in to build for the future when he is only here for 2-3 years the fact we want him as a manager means his job is a short term fix

Jred again man "sanhcez or reus or draxler" we don't have a chance to sign any of them

reus ruled himself out, his clause does not come into effect till 2015.

draxler is he leaves then I only see arsenal signing him.

and san is staying at barca

I actually think Robben would be a good, worthwhile signing this season! Your all banging on about his age, I didn't see any of you on here 2 years ago when we signed RVP, moaning about signing an older player, for a big fee on big wages? Or 12 months ago when that sogning alone actually won us the league?

You need to get real half of you. Yes we want to sign quality Young players who we can have at our club for 10 years, but you need a mix of youth and experience. We have lost the experience of Rio, Vida, Probabily Evra and Giggs, so Robben (won everything ) would have a good impact on our younger players, I'm sure Janazaj could learn a lot from him.

If Ronaldo wanted the move back this summer would you all object because he's knocking on 30? I don't think so. Buy majority of players with years ahead of themselves but the odd one won't hurt. And Robben is as good as they come in his position!

Red devil
It would appear that we are going to have the biggest spend in uniteds history and that lvg has been given the task of building a new squad.
I would of though part of his job would be to leave united with a young healthy team rather than a team full of 30 year olds and a squad that needs another 150 mill spent on it 2 years down the line.
I also have no idea how long lvg will be in the job .

Reddevil again
I have no idea who is available reus or robben .
robben only signed a new contract 3 month ago .
I also have no ides who lvg would try to sign and I don't believe every rumour in the paper.

But in this theoretical debate I would sign a good young player coming in to his prime before someone lime robben in his 30s.
I agree with AJH and also fully agree with DANNY
If you are building a team for the future imo you don't buy 30 year olds.

I imagine he will but what's wrong with 1 30 year old who is a class above all our other wingers, some areas will be building, some just need to stick some talent in there, I agree with ev1 on the right back area but robben could be a exciting attacking option

18 May 2014 15:12:51
If we need to sign a wide player with experience of working with van gaal, has experience, used to winning things, top class but not too old then my shout would be muller. Personally i'd try and do a double deal for kroos and muller.

{Ed004's Note - Absolutely no chance of muller though}

Ah well as theoretical debates go I would prefer reus haha or possible depay, but don't have anything against robben he might be 30 but he is still class don't think he has lost too much pace yet

We can't afford to gamble on youth next season, or untested players in our league that will need time to settle. Robben knows the league, knows the player, knows our key player (RVP) and is world class every time I watch him.

IF we keep waiting for youth or the mid-market signings to turn into superstars we will fall further behind. The next 2-3 seasons are critical and it all starts by bringing in the right mix of youth and experience, Robben is perfect for what we need. Who knows how Draxler, Griezmann, Pedro will do in new league and without too much experience. Robben is the best choice whilst Janujaz matures.

Same argument goes for Sagna at right back, but more rotation with Rafael.

I am with ed04 don't see muller signing for us or kroos

There is always a danger that LvG will want a short term fix seems he himself is a short term fix.

However I would rather see us sign 24/25/26 year old players. We don't want them too young where they end up leaving before they peak and we don't want them past their peak. We want them going into their peak years. I don't think it's any coincidence that we are looking at players in this age group. How old are Mata & Fellaini. How old are Kroos, Reus, Garay, Vidal, Pedro, Cesc etc.

So for me, if we have mega funds this summer, we need to be purchasing experienced foreign players between the ages of 24 and 26. Maybe even 27. That is just my opinion. If we go for young lads then make sure they are English lads for the future.

Could it not be that MU are enquiring about a BM winger (Mueller) and journalists are assuming it's Robben?

Could it not be the media are linking us to any dutch player in an attempt to sell papers.
Is muller really a winger more a striker or 10 for me

18 May 2014 16:22:36
You don't know till you ask ed, if we have all this money then just sound them out. Stranger things have happened after all, I never thought we would get van persie or Mata. Its not like it would bite Bayern on the ass in the champions league and they are over stacked in those two positions so a couple of players need to go. That would be my first option then if it is a no look elsewhere.

Could be Shaqiri, wouldn't mind him at all.

I thought Mueller's primary position was right-wing, but also able to operate on the left and as a number 10. I could be wrong though.

I hate Robben

Syd
Striker imo pal but he is a clever player.
Played the 10 under lvg at bayern

He does look like he's all over the attack. I am quite surprised that his salary is a mere €2m. That's about £35k a week.

18 May 2014 02:12:54
Very rarely post but in seriously getting hacked off with the Rooney posts! Fact is he is with out doubt the best English player out there! Simply undeniable! Those that do! Take your h****l tinted specs off. You might not like the way he has held the club to ransom but if he wasn't the player and icon he was he simply couldn't have done that! He will be united stop goal scorer ever!
Without him this year we would arguably be in the bottom half of the table if not mixed in with the relegation battle! Those that criticise Rooney seem to have Van perie on a pedestal! Who turned up this year and performed? Who threw his toys out of the pram and was 'injured' for half the season whilst Moyes was there then miraculously was fit as soon as he was sacked?
No he might not be messi or ronaldo once in a generation footballers but I can guarantee that any other club would take him in a heart beat! He has made the most of his situation yea but for f***s sake if you were in his position so would you!
All of a sudden robben is the new must have. Who was on here saying we needed to sign him when he left Chelsea? Seriously!
I'd rather have him than either rvp or robben why? Because every time he goes out on the pitch he gives 100%. If you don't see why that's important you e obviously never played top level sport!
So take of your myopic glasses and recoginse we have the best English footballer of his age group playing for an English team!

Runt over!

Red bear

Hear Hear

Deeps.

Well said. Sure Rooney may not be as great an out an out goal scorer as RVP, and maybe his first touch isn't as good as Mata's. But Rooney's all around game is incredible and his effort is undeniable. Those who say Rooney wouldn't fit into Van Gaal's system don't understand how much Rooney contributes to all aspects of United's attacking play. Not to mention nobody can claim to know what sort of set up Van Gaal will implement if and when he becomes United's manager.

Red Bear

Let me try and respond constructively.

1. I don't like him as a person for a host of reasons. I know he is probably poorly educated and been led astray but his off field antics when engaged and then married, his over inflated view of himself, the whole Big man persona make me cringe.

2. In terms playing ability, when we signed him he had the potential to be 1 of the world's best but he has never delivered. There have been spells and incredible goals but for a player of his ability, he has disappointed me. Look at Ronaldo when he arrived and when he left, how much he worked to improve himself and the player he became. That should have been Rooney.

3. He always gives 100%. Well possibly this year but how about last year or various others periods when he has appeared to be sulking? He can be brilliant, he can be poor, this year he has been nearer to brilliant more often than he has been nearer to poor but that doesn't mean he will be next year. As for this year, there are many games where he has been just as bad as everyone else.


4. For a 'world class' performer to arrive at pre season seriously overweight shows a lack of professionalism and arrogance.

5. One of the main issues is that I think Rooney is more concerned with himself as opposed to the team (the same is probably true with RVP) which I hate. SAF built his success on nobody being bigger than the team and moved big names on regularly (until his later years). If you think you are bigger than the team or club, go and play elsewhere.

6. If he is so brilliant, why was their so little interest when it looked like he would be moving on?

I guess he has just left me disappointed. He looked like the real deal, I really wanted him to be the best, he has shown glimpses, some sustained ones, but he has never delivered on his potential, and sadly he never will.

I realise that people will never agree on this, as I said lower down there are posters I agree with on pretty much everything apart from our Wayne.

Because wr never turned out to be as good as messi or pele or maradona it seems he will never be good enough.
I think when he hangs up his boots he will be uniteds and englands all time top score, yet people try to claim he is average.
He will of been at the club 12/13 year his whole career yet will be described as un-loyal while players like ronaldo will be let off with the minor matter of not wanting to play for the club.

Perfect AJH.

Can't add to that brilliant post from AJH. Couldn't agree more. Rooney is hugely overrated and is in decline.

Jred - there are obviously good arguments each side on Rooney and he is a marmite type of guy. The one thing everyone agrees on is that he had world class potential, he just failed to deliver on it. Couple that with his attitude and slow recovery from any form on knock and for me you have somebody that is still playing off the hype they had as a kid.

Of course he has scored a lot and made a lot. But for such an important role in a team for both England and Utd he has failed to deliver on the big occasion numerous times. England have looked stagnant going forward and so have we, the primary reason is that Rooney lacks the discipline to be a striker, doesn't create enough when he drops deeper and therefore we get an end result that means our attacking play is predictable and dare I say boring.

If it was school ground football he would be great, but for me if you gave Andy Cole, Yorke, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Tevez the same amount of games as Rooney in a Utd or England shirt their stats would be far better.

Massively Hyped = Lots of Chances

Beast
York van nistelrooy ronaldo tevez are like rooney all top players.

Whats your point?
Rooney is a top player even if you don't think so.
Like I said rooney will prob finish his career as england and united all time top scorer that's quite an achivement

did he reach his potential? No .
is he still one of the best in the epl and england yes .

Also united and england have looked stagnet going forward with or with out rooney.

you will be telling me that any striker would of scored as many as lineker or any good player would of scored as many as charlton next.
maybe

there has been some rubbish posted about rooney on this page and I fully accept he splits opinion but to try and rubbish any players goal scoring record at club and international level is plain stupid

Great post AJH, saved me a huge job, and the sh*t that comes along with such a post from the people on here who believe all the British press hype. Rooney is a good player who runs his arse off most of the time, that is not in question. What he isn't, and never managed to be, is top class and it's all his own fault. Yes his statistics look very good, but these, a lot of the time, have come at the expense of the team as a whole. Everything has to go through him and if it doesn't he pops up at right back to get the ball to make sure it does. He has moments of brilliance but he has far more moments of sheer frustration. His first touch is atrocious, his short passing is equally bad, his decision making a lot of the time is just poor. He can hit a good long pass but for a striker is that the quality that is really needed? For me, any good player put into the United sides over the past 10 years and allowed the freedom Rooney has been for most of it, with everything going through him a lot of the time, would have had very similar stats, doesn't make them world class or worth the kind of contract he has been given, having again held the club to ransom.

Personally, I hope LVG doesn't think he will fit his formation/style of play and cashes in now. Let's face it, Rooney will spit the dummy AGAIN when RVP is made captain, which he will be. Will the new boss stand for any tantrums? definitely not and rightly so. No one is bigger than the club/manager for me and anyone who thinks otherwise should be moved on, not just Rooney.

The thing with Rooney is that he never turns up when we need him the most, in the big games he goes missing a hell of a lot.
He can be a great player on his day but I really don't know what his position is? He's not a deadly finisher so I wouldn't class him as a number 9 and he hasn't got the technical ability of a number 10, it seems to me he's only suited to playing up top with another striker in a 4-4-2, he's a sort of target man in my opinion, a player who can hold it up and maybe knock it on to another striker.
Iv been wanting Rooney to go for years now, he only cares about himself and I don't think he fits into modern tactics.
Even in the World Cup I wouldn't play him, I'd rather have Barkley behind Sturridge with sterling and Lallana either side in a 4-2-3-1.
I think it's say Rooney is just one of those players u either love or hate

Sorry beast I kind if repeated your post without even reading it, totally agree

18 May 2014 12:34:22
And that's what's wrong with the English mentality when it comes to football. He runs around a lot and works hard so he's world class. This why England will never win anything.

Firstly I agree with the others he had massive potential but its his fault he never fulfilled it. Too many off field shenanigans with bad food, drinking and smoking. Disgraceful from a professional athlete. God knows what he would have looked like if he had played in the Atkinson era. He could have been so much more and that is what frustrates so many on here. Look at the kid who burst through with Everton. Look at that England game against I believe turkey at the stadium of light. Look at euro 2004. What happened to that Rooney. He started to believe the hype, happens to so many English players.

Secondly his goal scoring record speaks for itself, you can't fault it and to try is stupid. Scores all sorts of goals. can't fault him on that.

My issue with Rooney though is threefold. Firstly as said above the lack of professionalism off the pitch which blunted him in reaching his potential. For me that's unforgivable in this day and age of sports science. And I can't believe Ferguson or staff turned a blind eye, so he can only have ignored what he was told. Turning up to preseason training overweight was a disgrace. Ronaldo or Scholes would never do that.

Secondly his lack of tactical discipline. His job as a striker is to haunt the penalty box picking off chances, not drop back to half way line getting involved. His job as a trequartista is to link midfield and the striker. Not to lose the ball from shocking first touch then go chasing after it. Its not his job or responsibility to be popping up at leftback. O but he works hard. He should stick to the task at hand and not interfere with others, him being out of position causes many attacks to break down. If he's in the centre circle with the ball what's he going to do. Race 50 yards and dribble around half a team no. Hit a 40 yard ball to Valencia who then has to wait for him to get into the box as no one is there yes. Rooney is the cause of a lot of our attacking play breaking down either from his poor first touch or constantly being out of position. It must be a scouse thing as Gerrard also suffers from Roy Race syndrome. This will be an interesting world cup with both of them in the same team falling over each other in the centre circle trying to hit Hollywood 50 yarders to the wings.

My last issue is the loyalty question. You slag off Ronaldo for going to Madrid but Ronaldo never hid that as a young lad from the Iberian peninsula he dreamed of playing for Madrid. And he gave us an extra year instead of forcing the move. Ronaldo wad also a supreme professional.

Rooney however threatens to go to a rival unless he gets a hefty payrise then stays once he gets it. And pulls that trick not once but twice and he's praised for it and called loyal? Bizarre. That plus his unprofessional attitude off the pitch are why I fo not rate him as highly as some others.

A good player yes but he had potential to be a great one. Good goal scorer yes but so tactically unaware its frustrating. If its van Gaal it could go one of two ways. He listens, knuckles down, cuts out the crap and keeps his position and thrives or he resists, doesn't listen, moans and gets booted out.

I would love it to be the former but I fear it will be the latter.

Red Bear. Are you actually Wayne himself? Or did Wayne scribble that down with his crayon and ask you to type it for him?

You need to take your own glasses off I think.

He had all the potential in the world, could of been one of the best in the world, yet due to his Unprofessionalism as an elite sportsman, he never fulfilled that promise. The lad gets paid an obscene about yet he can't even lay off the fags and kebabs pre season. He comes back year after year looking like the Michelin Man. It's funny how when he needs a big contract he has a brilliant half season and once it's signed his form slumps again.

He's slow, his touch is appalling, and for you or anyone to come here and say he's better than RVP or even Robben is quite frankly embarrassing.

He's that good yet when he's been available for a transfer it's only Chelsea who has shown any interest.

His behaviour towards the club tells u all we need to know about him. He doesn't love our club, or our fans. He loves money, and he's willing to hold us to ransom to make sure he gets his bigger deal. The first time he claimed he made a "mistake" and we gave him the benefit of the doubt. Yet he then does the same again.

Get rid of him LVG

18 May 2014 01:40:23
I've heard from a few places on the net that we have put a bid of around €40-50mil for Vidal. Any truth to that or have United made an enquiry?
Thanks

{Ed002's Note - The Grimm Brothers Twitter account in overtime? An envelope passed by SAF to Conte perhaps?}

You follow Official Agent too! Did you see the one where he said his friend at Savills said Ronaldo is looking for a new Manchester house, haha.