Manchester United Banter Archive October 18 2013

18 Oct 2013 21:17:00
Geez, folks, we're pretty much all agreed that Evra and Ferdinand are at the end of their United careers - although Evra can still be good going forward - so, really, why bother posting something virtually everybody, except possibly the players' mothers, agree with?

As for their replacements, I don't think anyone really knows who is on and who is not on the radar. So to ask why are we not going for a particular player seems to me to be a pointless question. I'm sure Moyes and the Board have identified various potential targets in various positions, and intend to offer derisory amounts for them in January and next summer! (Half joking)

Gonna take a shot in the dark and say that people post it because it's their opinion. When people share the same views their posts may be the same. Asking why people ask about players we could be linked to on a rumours site is ignorant. Take a breath and remember the point of the site.

18 Oct 2013 17:34:13
The chairman of montpellier has come out and said we could have carbella or however you spell hus name for €18 million! Sounds like a great deal the guy already has 5 goals and 4 assists, that's more than our midfield combine!

18 Oct 2013 14:37:11
CTR,

Truly astounding, again you have shown the complete paucity of your football knowledge; the same day you questioned mine you ask if anyone knows about a guy called Koke, the same player I listed as better than Herrera. Shappy spoke highly of him, but then he would, he championed him on this very page not that many months ago as a player you should sign and prior to any link with Herrera.

The same Koke that was in the latest Spanish squad selected no less by a certain Del Bosque, Herrera at 24 was not and has yet to play for Spain. Hmmm.

Whilst your love of United is admirable you really need to stay away from things you painfully obviously know little about. The trouble you have is that you consider United to be the best club in the world and then feel that the same mantle befits you as a fan.

Your latest waffle to say that Evans would play ahead of Agger, Toure and Sakho, ridiculous statement, he is not even getting in the United team. He is not world class nor will he ever be, no different to Jones or Smalling, neither yet to show they can be world class CB's and again you get owned, this time by DJ All stars.

I don't intend to single you out because others have replied to my posts with as little knowledge, like RED FAITH telling me a certain James Wilson would be running us ragged in 5 years, 5 years for god's sake and includes Welbeck and Cleverley in his examples of your home grown talent.

His take on Mata, that'll be the same Mata that has got his place back in the team and helped us beat Norwich with 55% possession and 22 attempts at goal as opposed to your 62% possession against Sunderland and 13 attempts. That is what Mata brings under Jose. What you'd give for one of our midfielders.

Obviously he also has no idea that Chelsea are widely regarded to have arguably the best pool of talent in our youth academy in Europe, not the UK, Europe, with players like Thomas Kalas, Patrick Van Aarnholt, Islam Feruz, Ruben Loftus-Cheek, Nathaniel Chalobah, Nathan Ake, Marco Van Ginkel and Kasey Palmer let alone Piazon, Lakaku and Courtois and he thinks Janujaz, Powell, Zaha, Cleverley, Welbeck, Lingard, Cole, Kean etc. will be frightening us.

Yep I'm pretty sure we'll be quaking in our proverbials and at the same time guessing most people assume Abramovich is all about big payouts and not building for the future.

What should worry you right now let alone 5 years' time is where you're heading and how you're going to stop it. Take the last 15 EPL games, end of last season beginning of this.

Arsenal 36pts
Chelsea 34pts
Spurs 31pts
Liverpool 29pts
City 29pts
Everton 24pts
United 22pts
Villa 21pts

January 13th 2013 you won against Liverpool a mid-table team as you like to refer to them, since then you've only beaten no less than the power houses of Sunderland, Stoke, QPR, Reading, Wigan, Swansea, Villa, Norwich and Palace in the EPL.
That is the form of Champions right there and I can genuinely see why you and a few others believe you'll not only make top four with ease but win the EPL.

Again embarrassing yourself there Marcellus.

Did I even say that Chelsea have no youth talent? I so obviously didn't. My very point is that hardly any of them gets a chance at first team football.

Oh! Juan Mata, Chelsea's best player needed to win his place back, wow, what logic.

You tell us about the last 15 league games, which are spread over two seasons. What logic and sense is there in taking some random number of games over two different seasons for both teams with two different managers in both of them, and then feeling good about your own team. You are telling us about Chelsea's form of champions based on stats that are partly from last season, do you know how silly that sounds?

I remember you lot at the start of last season, with the same arrogance and fell flat on your face by the end of the season.

I really find it ironic that Jose spent the whole of the summer window chasing one of our players and you then come on here questioning our team's quality.

Where was this massively better team of yours when you couldn't create a single chance at Old Trafford? {Ed002's Note - I suspect that he was recognising that Chelsea has significant youth talent, what with the likes of Nathan Ake coming through the academy. Many of the youngsters expected to do well in the longer term (Courtois, Lukaku, Hazard et al) have been loaned out to get the vital experience that is needed that will see them be more easily integrated with the first team squad than would be the case if they had been playing reserve team football in England. This is a well planned and deliberate policy that should also see significant cost reductions going forward.}

Marcellus,

You do make some valid points. Koke is a great young player and his inclusion in the Spanish squad is hardly surprising given his and Athletico's start to the season. That said it doesn't make Herrera a bad player who has all the attributes that Manchester United need in the middle of the park.

I'm baffled at your appraisal of the Chelsea youth team being the best in Europe though. Any sense you have made in your post and ones previous to it lose all credibility with that comment. I would say that the best pool of young talent in Europe can be found in Barcelona. Other clubs with great acadamies include Ajax, Manchester United but not Chelsea.

I'm not knocking the ability of any of the young players you have mentioned but in terms of youth development Chelsea don't give young players a chance. I seem to recall Kakuta and McEchran being the next big players - where are they? It must be a huge concern when Lukaku who is by far and away your best striker cannot get a game ahead of Torres, Ba and Eto. Similar in Courtois who will be one of the worlds best.

Yes everyone can see that there are problems at Old Trafford and your concern is touching. You keep worrying about Manchester United and we'll keep on coming back and doing what we do best - winning cups and titles.

Guys

Lets just ignore him, it's pointless to argue with an eejit, they try and drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. His 15 game argument is stunning and does not deserve a response.

18 Oct 2013 19:22:48
@Ed02, I never even mentioned Chelsea not having a good youth system in the reply to his post which he was referring to (not this one). Also I would hardly list the likes of Lukaku bought for 10s of millions as youth academy talents.

The very point here is that Marcellus has the nerve to come and criticise the United youth products who have actually made it at the top level and doesn't seem to recognise that at Chelsea, none have made the first team yet, i'm sure you recognise that as well?

United have had the same strategy of sending youngsters out on loan, and indeed it has proven to do them good with the likes of Wellbeck, Cleverley becoming regulars and the same being in store for the likes of Powell, yet good ol Marcellus fails to recognise this. The very point of youth academies is thinking long term, and what someone can do, not now, but after the next 3-4 years.

United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and indeed a few others have some exciting prospects in their ranks.

Perhaps if Marcellus acknowledged that Chelsea have some problems that need looking at as well and that it ain't all rosy and cozy as he seems to think it is, he might see some light. {Ed002's Note - Lukaku was not bought for 10s of millions. He came in as a youth player - suck it up. I am not aware that the club know of any issues at all with the process they are following.}

Just to add, the majority of them will go the same way as Kakuta, Mancienne, mceachran etc.

18 Oct 2013 23:19:23
But Ed02, the majority of those young players at Chelsea won't get their time to grow and will move on, mick Doherty scouts players and twiddled his thumbs when they go and purchase other big money players. Weren't most of those young players brought in through the system a result of the work done by frank arnesen? Who has since moved on. Is be surprised if 2 of those players went on to have long careers at Chelsea given their track record.

Supasub {Ed002's Note - Chelsea has a well defined and clear plan for the handling of young players. Those out on loan such as Courtois, Lukaku, Hazard, Piazon, Cuevas, Perica and others have the expectations of the club to meet. Some will not make it. The club are very happy with how things are going and each as a mentor (many ex players) assigned who will watch them play regularly and report back on progress.}

19 Oct 2013 09:59:20
@Ed02, I was not talking about any issues with the youth system but issues like not having brought in a top striker, consistency etc which are lacking at Chelsea for a while. {Ed002's Note - I don't know what a "top" striker is. It would be fair to say that Chelsea did try to buy Falcao and he did not arrive. I have no idea what you mean by "etc"? You seem to be clutching at straws.}

18 Oct 2013 12:58:23
Not been on for a while as the doom and gloom merchants were sending me over the edge. Anyway, the anti depressants are now doing their job so I can safely return :-).

Was just interested to see how everyone was doing with there team on the 'Football Rumours Super League 2013/14' on the fantasy premier league site? I'm currently 6th, no idea how but it won't last.

Anyway bring on 3 home league wins and we will be top 5 by November, then top 3 by December and top by January. That could be the anti depressants kicking in but we'll see.