Manchester United Banter Archive April 19 2015

 

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19 Apr 2015 22:42:02
I would love for LVG to pull the ultimate prank on us United fans.

"UNITED SIGN PORTUGUESE SENSATION ROLANDO!" Written all over the back pages.

The split second of joy followed by the heartbreak would be cruel yet incredibly hilarious. LVG if you're reading this you know what to do.

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19 Apr 2015 20:45:10
We've had some whingeing and whining this year on here (no names) but if anyne wants to see how this might come across pop over to the Liverpool page and read the Other Posts. Please let's not descend to that level.

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20 Apr 2015 02:27:26
I posted it earlier but it went on the other page, it's absolutely brillliant to watch, I've been reading all night and it's really cheered me up.

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19 Apr 2015 20:34:56
Out of these CF's, who would you prefer?

Paolo Dybala
Mauro Icardi
Paco Alcacer
Luca Vietto
Álvaro Morata

To partner a FREE Danny Ings?

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{Ed004's Note - What about Lacazette? Also Cavani, Benzema and Kane}

19 Apr 2015 20:56:19
Ok, sorry, cavani, Benzema too old, but Lacazette should be included!

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19 Apr 2015 21:06:39
i think kane is being really over rated on here

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19 Apr 2015 21:16:44
I agree jred, for the money I'd expect at least 2 consistent seasons at top level before spending the type of money Levy would ask.

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19 Apr 2015 21:45:53
Paco Alcacer for me is one of the best players in Spain currently, he's not leaving anytime soon though.

Very under rated, top player with a big future in Spanish football.

If we're talking realism though, I wouldn't take any of them as a first choice forward; RVP, Wilson, Rooney & Ings is more than enough.

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19 Apr 2015 22:42:32
Jackson Martinez? Lewandowski?. guiseppe rossi?

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19 Apr 2015 22:47:20
Dybala or Vietto for me.I think we need strikers with pace and movement especially with the way we play through midfield.

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20 Apr 2015 00:34:53
J red. My argument a few weeks ago mate. He's had one good season, we've seen players like Ricketts and beatie have good seasons. He need to play at this level for 2 or 3 years before I'm convinced he's the real deal

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20 Apr 2015 10:08:25
Luca Vietto

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20 Apr 2015 14:40:18
Benteke anyone? 24 and a Beast averaging a goal every other game, already knows the prem, good all rounder and pretty cheap.

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20 Apr 2015 15:21:18
I'd love Ings and Muller, they would be my choices.

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19 Apr 2015 18:31:45
I miss puzzled, lfc and bigAL :(

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19 Apr 2015 19:38:11
Me Too :) Looks like back to rebuilding

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19 Apr 2015 19:55:19
In guessing that rebuilding will be around Lallana? :)

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19 Apr 2015 20:37:51
Chris, Al is clearly a worried man. He is asking the Eds for their opinion of United over on their page. It's now 25 years since they won the League

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19 Apr 2015 20:58:18
Yes but it's all progress Tony, it's like the seven stages, first comes denial, followed by anger, followed by acceptance.

AL is on stage 3, let's not make fun of him now, let's embrase the progress he has made.

:)

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19 Apr 2015 21:29:37
Yes because Lallana is the new Zico.

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19 Apr 2015 22:02:47
I saw that,Tony. Classic deflection technique. Rather pitiful.

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20 Apr 2015 07:43:51
Funny my personal Trainer who used to be a professional Serbian Player is a Liverpool supporter and I had a friendly wager yesterday that Villa would beat them.

I give them a fair shot against Arsenal also and Tim Sherwood has them playing miles better than their previous manager.

I will go read their page now sounds quite interesting and fun.

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19 Apr 2015 18:20:57
Reflecting on yesterday's game. Chelsea probably the best team at parking the bus in Europe but I don't think they imagined we would have that much posession. We just lack those couple of players that can produce the Magic to get the goal. Without hazard chelsea probably wouldn't get out of their half we need to find our version of that player that can be a game changer against the very best sides. Defensively we looked a lot better even with the changes only a couple of nervous moments, McNair was superb and in my opinion looks like a better long term rosect than smalling or jones. shaw finally showed last seasons form and I think he will take great confidence from giving ivanovic such a torrid time. Would also like to see us able to mix up tactics next year as I think LVG will need to have a plan b or c in Europe next year. For me we need a top CB a starting RB, a box to box CM and a long term replacement for Carrick and one more up front if we lose RVP in the summer. Hooefukky we will get our business done early in the transfer window and be settled to fly out of the blocks as Chelsea have shown how a good start can go a long way to win the league, we just need to finish strong for the remaning games, second spot is more than achievable and I think a lot of managers will be worried about us next season,

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19 Apr 2015 18:44:55
jaimej I think Depay will give us an option against side who sit back and defend.

Yesterday we did not have a player who could take players on and dribble past them. Depay will be that player for us imo and hopefully he will develop like Hazard has for Chelsea.

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19 Apr 2015 19:51:41
A quality winger ie Depay and quality deep lying playmaker Verratti and an experienced defender Hummels and a top right back Clyne would make us a top top team

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19 Apr 2015 15:47:03
It's been wide spread about DDG and his poss departure in the summer? As I understand we will look for some kind of deal where we see a Madrid player coming our way? But I personally don't see valdes as his replacement? Who do we go for? Personally I'd like 1 of 3, either timo horn, mouez hassen or Anthony lopes? But again if de Gea stays, i'm happy!

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19 Apr 2015 17:47:06
I am not Suggesting valdes is as good as de gea but then I am not sure many are out there.but if he does go i can see valdes being first choice with someone coming in to challenge him. If he has regained fitness and we add a solid CD plus RB then I think we will be okay.
Unless we can convince levy to do business for the spurs keeper!!

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19 Apr 2015 18:08:07
when was the last time valdes played a top level game

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19 Apr 2015 19:50:54
That is a fear but players have come back from long lay offs before. the advantage would be the level ofvtraining is high and Lvg could be getting him ready for next year already.
Rather him than krul!!

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19 Apr 2015 21:14:25
If De Gea was to leave I would like us to go for Matthew Ryan, I think he could be something special.

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20 Apr 2015 13:30:16
I don't see DDG leaving tbh. I think he'll stay as long as our season doesn't go t.ts up and we are in the CL next season. Valdes, for me would be a very good replacement, if the worst happens, and would give us a good few seasons to see if any of our younger GK's develop or any others in the world come to the fore.

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19 Apr 2015 15:46:51
Ed !
Any info on our injured players ? Are any of our players in good recovery level to return against Everton?
Thanks

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{Ed002's Note - Try physioroom.com

19 Apr 2015 12:44:29
Did anyone see virgil van dijk free for kick for Celtic? Not only can he defend but score aswell! Superb!

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19 Apr 2015 11:02:09
For GDS2 and the numerous others picking out my "choice" posting times.

I missed the Villa game, but I posted a lot after Liverpool & Spurs and managed to get a connection for City, so I did post but not as frequently as normal.

I am actually in Switzerland now so have much better internet access. I have posted several times praising the manager and the team, there isn't too much to be debated when we are playing good attacking football, we have been patting ourselves on the back and I have responded to the numerous "I told you so" posts.

Since Spurs we have been great, but yesterday was a return to pre-Spurs, I always said that whether we played Burnley or Real Madrid you would get the same type of performance from us, which is exactly what we got yesterday - lots of possession virtually no chances.

There are only so many times you can say "we are doing everything I would hope we would" and frankly I had nothing to bitch about for the past month. Now is the interesting time to post and read because there is something to debate surely? This wouldn't be much of a website if everybody just typed "we are doing great".

I think the gaffer could have been smarter yesterday, but to lose away at Chelsea isn't a disgrace on paper - they set-up to hopefully sneak a goal and not concede, we played into their hands and should have been far more creative, moving Mata central against their two lanky midfielders would have been smart, not moving Rooney and injecting some pace with ADM.

But I will just chalk yesterday up to experience and cementing the fact Rooney isn't a midfielder and we need an anchor man to replace Carrick desperately in the summer.

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19 Apr 2015 12:33:41
We did play well yesterday with numerous key injuries. But the reason we didn't create many chances at goal was obviously due to Chelsea parking the bus, how can you get through a wall of midfielders and defenders with 1 aim and that's not concede?
You can't cross because the keepers 7ft and catches everything, I thought we did well to create what we did, we just didn't finish them ala rooney and falcao chances.

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19 Apr 2015 12:55:36
No doubt it was difficult FZZ, but we suffered from the usual problem when Rooney plays deep. Only one man in the box, Fellaini wasn't even getting in there so there was a total lack of movement in the final third, I lost count how many times Fellaini had the ball out wide to cross it to Falcao and maybe Mata?!

Although he has been very poor the game was crying out for ADM to commit men and therefore open space for the other players to operate in. Rooney wasn't working out, we had no plan B and it was obvious what we needed to do as soon as we realised the Fellaini plan wasn't working.

I don't think it is acceptable to say "what could we do", when we didn't try to mix things up. Chelsea posed a limited threat, so we could afford to change things, the lack of flexibility was one of the key things I was hammering LVG for during the season and yesterday was another example of him refusing to adjust things and us going down with a whimper attacking wise.

Opportunity missed for me, despite Chelsea being masters at parking the bus. I just expected a bit more from us considering our confidence and obvious strategy Chelsea were deploying.

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{Ed004's Note - I think we were just unfortunate yesterday. They scored with their first chance and we didn't take any of ours (on another day we would have because we have been usually clinical all season). In saying that I don't think Rooney offered us very much yesterday. At one stage I was hoping either Fellaini or Rooney was dropped into were Herrera was playing just so we could get Mata and Herrera combining. I can't remember any decent link up play between Rooney, Mata and Valencia. That should have been our plan B. I also think Di Maria should have came on in a central position and kept Young out wide. Would have effectively taken Zouma out of the game as even Fellaini turned him once or twice. Hindsight is wonderful isn't it.}

19 Apr 2015 13:01:41
I know it's frustrating beast but look at all the positives we dominated the soon to be champs and should have taken at least a point from the bridge. Next year I think teams will fear us once again and with a couple of good buy's we will have to many options for teams to deal with! I think that zouma keeping tabs on felainy and Mata and Rooney in each others position lost us the game. I too don't see the sense in putting Rooney back in midfield maybe lvg thought Mata would get bullied? I would have liked to see rvp play for 30 mins with falcao and gone 442

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{Ed004's Note - I was hoping Di Maria came on for Falcao we pushed Rooney up top, played Fellaini at the base of the midfield and let Herrera and Di Maria play ahead of him. Maybe Rvp for Rooney as he wasn't offering much but that might have changed if he was playing as the striker. I can understand why Shaw was taken off but he was fantastic yesterday. Probably 2nd best player on the pitch behind Hazard}

19 Apr 2015 13:23:22
Definitely right guys, it shows how far we have come as 2 months ago every neutral and a lot of us would have thought we would get smashed at the Bridge, certainly not dominated the ball as we did. We have shown we can control games, hopefully this summer we will ensure we have enough cover to make up for injuries in key positions and also work on breaking teams down.

Next season I think we will have a lot more scenarios where we have to break teams down who park the bus, the fear factor is coming back.

Just a shame we couldn't adapt as the game developed, but I am in a different place to where I was pre-Spurs positivity wise. We didn't link well yesterday as Ed 004 says, but there are a lot of positives to take from this squad and if LVG finally learns to stop sacrificing Rooney (and the rest of the team as a result) we can only improve.

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19 Apr 2015 13:57:13
I agree Rooney needs to stop playing in midfield, hopefully a decent transfer window will prevent that happening in the future.

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19 Apr 2015 14:12:47
We lose 1 game and the criticism starts.

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19 Apr 2015 14:39:47
SPB the criticism is very much constructive not subjective.

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19 Apr 2015 15:55:14
We were unlucky, we hardly slipped back to what we were like before the Spurs game. We created more chances than Chelsea, Falcao hitting the woodwork too if you remember? 600 odd passes to Chelsea's 200 with a higher pass completion rate and less long balls than them too so I think you're way off saying that.

If we had Carrick in midfield we would have probably have won with Rooney pushing forward. ADM was useless when he came on, worst I've seen him play for us gave the ball away countless times and never really looked all that bothered.

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19 Apr 2015 16:25:21
Had Rooney scored early it would have been a very different game. Chelsea would have had to have shown some attacking intent. As it was, in a game like that you would expect the chances to be few and far between, and who wins pretty much always depends on a) who finishes their opportunities and/or b) refereeing decisions. Chelsea got the rub of the green yesterday because they had the most clinical finisher, and 2 decisions which could have gone the other way were decided in their favour.

And speaking of opportunities, Falcao no doubt had his final one yesterday. He not only missed his golden chance but his failure to protect the ball led to Chelsea's goal. His performances have surely been one of the most disappointing aspects of our season given the hype when he was acquired.

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19 Apr 2015 21:19:30
I noticed Rooney was playing what I would call a "Strikers Pass" from Midfield a couple of times and lost us the ball in either good or stupid areas of the pitch. By a "Strikers Pass" i mean little flicks which a striker or an attacker would often try in order to make something happen out of nothing, but you can't be attempting them in midfield, and it cost us at times.

Anyone else notice this?

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20 Apr 2015 13:15:12
Sure did Mpez, he and Herrera on totally different wave lengths all game.

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20 Apr 2015 15:03:20
No criticism required (constructive or not) Rooney played there because our other 2 options were injured, end of story

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19 Apr 2015 11:41:08
Yesterday I heard from the commentary team towards the end of the match that usually "Stamford bridge is one of the quieter stadiums around England but today the atmosphere is great". Previously they also said that "United fans are making all the noises despite United a goal down".

Great work from our travelling fans as usual.

Because of fans I feel that United and Lpool are and will be Greatest clubs in England (keeping their fierce rivalry aside).

I always having a feeling that clubs like Chelsea, Arsenal, City are a level below United, irrespective of the success they have.

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19 Apr 2015 11:15:23
Hi guys - Just a friendly tip, if your Mrs suggests a weekend break to Geneva be very prepared (and worried)!

It just cost me £14 for a Big Mac meal and Chicken Sandwich.

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19 Apr 2015 13:21:34
I blame van Gaal. United's poor form has affected the exchange rate abroad , and now us fans are paying the price , quite literally.

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19 Apr 2015 15:40:34
LOL ! Stop it betty . It was due to Rooney playing in midfield :)

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20 Apr 2015 03:42:28
be very thankful you didn't go up the coast to Montreaux, it's even more expensive! really expensive!

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19 Apr 2015 11:13:08
Just watched match of the day and Terry shoves his fore arm clearly in the back of Falcao's head which is what makes Falcao go down. It's a free kick all day long. Definately luck was on chelsea's side Yesterday. De gea wasn't outside the area, the ball was barely a couple of inches outside the area itself, at least twice yesterday courtois has the ball outside the are when he takes a goal kick similar to de Gea's position. More kidology fromantic mourinho about herrera who if on the continent would have got a penalty and was clear contact. A booking for it is also pretty shocking imo given the awful diving by drogba and ramires late on which got nothing. Very, very lucky chelsea. Basically the big talking points would have probably been reversed had it been a European referee yet we have witnessed one team that will come out and play in their dna and one that will park the the bus in theirs. And last of all how does Robbie Savage drain a living as a pundit? He is fast becoming and looks like the Katie Hopkins of punditry.

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19 Apr 2015 12:40:17
red tinted glasses me thinks

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19 Apr 2015 13:34:18
Not exactly. Outside of this country and both decisions are against you. You got very lucky yesterday. You haven't answered either why you have a Chester City fc badge on your emblem?

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19 Apr 2015 17:24:56
Have to disagree, Supasub. I love Herrera - he's fast becoming my new favourite player. But he deliberately flicked his right leg out to entwine it with the defender's. It was cheating. He tried to get a penalty, and possibly get an opponent sent off, by trying to con the ref. I'd be bitching like hell if an opposition player had tried it against us.

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19 Apr 2015 10:20:42
Good performance bad result, I'm never happy with a loss but showing signs of exciting things to come next season. I thought Shaw was excellent working well with young. Rooney tried and that is really all you can ask when your asked to play a role different to what your used to playing. For me he lacks the positional awareness and close control to play that role but everybody already knew that. Falcao was thrown into that game he played ok I thought but anyone would of struggled to make a impact upfront on there own in that game. Mcnair had a good game really likes to get forward and confident enough to have a couple of efforts at goal. My only disappointment was I would of liked to have seen young pushed to left back and Di Maria replace Shaw get at them a bit more down that side. Credit where it's due tho chelsea defended very well and all put in a shift, Mourinho used zouma to nullify fellaini and as much as I dislike him he gets results and that's what football's about. I hope that we can add a couple of quality players in the summer because the last few games have shown that we are not that far off where we want and expect to be.

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19 Apr 2015 10:54:16
Very fair assessment, I still think Mourinho got lucky in the sense that we had 3 players out who were all big misses for us except maybe Jones who I thought wouldn't have played better than McNair. But we lacked Rooney's strength up front and people's willingness to pass to him while he's there everyone seem to be a bit hesitant to play it to Falcao. Herrera was my MOTM apart from his one mistake where he didn't track hazard for the goal he looked most determind to win.

I can take a lot of pleasure from going to Stamford bridge having 70% possession against the league leaders and make them look like the underdogs.

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19 Apr 2015 11:45:40
I agree ozwald, Carrick was a massive miss his calm head in there would have made a massive diffrence.

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19 Apr 2015 10:19:23
Eds, how come my post was removed?

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{Ed002's Note - No idea.}

19 Apr 2015 09:53:31
Yesterday we went to the home of this seasons Champions and totally controlled the game but lost to a well worked goal from probably the best player in the league. Possession doesn't win games on its own, it puts you in a good position and you need to take chances. Much has been made of Rooney playing in midfield yet the key moment in the game was the chance he missed. Well set up by the excellent Shaw he didn't hit the target, a target 8 yards wide. At least hit the target. A goal then when we were on top would have changed the game. Falcao had a chance not too unlike Hazards but he hit the post.
We have come a long way this season, we now play a good brand of possession football and despite losing yesterday we are not getting thrashed by anyone. In fact Jose played a very defensive game against us, likely as he was worried, he looked to stifle us and it was enough to get the win, typically pragmatic but showed he respected where we are now.
Given the injuries I thought we played really well, the main disappointment was Falcao who doesn't look anywhere near the player he was.
There were lots of good performances yesterday but again, as I said a few weeks ago, McNair, to me, looks a Manchester United player. He stepped in, after little playing time, away at the Champions elects own ground and played exceptionally well. Personally I believe he should be tried in central midfield because he has the attributes to do it however credit to him for his performance.
On to Everton, a game we must win otherwise the other half of that City will believe it is their year.

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19 Apr 2015 08:26:12
Unfortunately we were toothless against Chelsea but we can take comfort from the fact we are very much on par with them as a footballing side and should be pushing to win the league next season.

I would just like to slam Ander Herrera for trying cheat to get a penalty. Yes he is a fine player and a fans favourite but cheating is cheating no matter who you are and I for one am totally disappointed with the lad.

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19 Apr 2015 08:48:58
Yes hopefully he learns from his mistake yesterday and never does it again.

By and large I think we were good, we lacked cutting edge but as you say with few additions we could be challenging for the title next season.

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19 Apr 2015 10:26:56
We controlled the game like we have 99% of games this season. The problem was the same we experienced in virtually every other game leading up to the Spurs one - almost Zero chance creation when Rooney is played in midfield, he slows everything down too much and upsets the rhythm of our other players, he doesn't know how to create space or where to go, he is picked up far too easily unfortunately and eats into other players space.

Fellaini was stopped - it shows how reliant we are on him to create anything of substance, he is an outlet and worries opponents but Chelsea hardly looked ruffled despite all our possession - LVG should have mixed things up at the half hour when it was clear Chelsea had sorted themselves out.

So we had Carrick & Blind out as midfield options, this led to a complete collapse in our attacking potency from midfield. I suppose it's easy to say that.

Shaw & McNair replaced Bling and Jones perfectly, in fact they looked better imo.

So Carrick was the only player missing in theory with Rooney dropping deep, it changed everything from a potency point of view. I hope LVG has learnt once and for all that Rooney is not suited to midfield, we had other options but he went for the obvious and we paid the price imo.

I hope we don't see a return to the impotent displays we have witnessed all to often for the remainder of the season. Shame as Chelsea were for the taking and we failed to capitalise. Its nice to see us dominate the ball at their ground which isn't easy to do, but looking at how they set-up it was obviously yielding possession so it was hardly a surprise.

I'm confident this was just a lapse and the attacking attitude will return, but Rooney was the biggest problem yesterday for me and I don't blame him as he does his best. LVG needed to be cleverer, it was all too predictable - but losing out to Mourinho tactically is nothing to be ashamed of.

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19 Apr 2015 18:58:53
i didn't think rooney played that bad in cm, not sure who would of done better.
although i do think we missed him upfront

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19 Apr 2015 08:20:59
I bloody love the Daily Star. Man Utd lining up £25million move for Benteke. Has there even been a less credible tabloid worldwide?

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