Manchester United Banter Archive December 19 2011

19 Dec 2011 23:28:01
anyone know how bebe's getting on at besiktas?

19 Dec 2011 22:29:10
I know most of you guys are praying to see Gaitan move, but I really hope he stays in Benfica.

The last thing we need is a winger o can play as a "AM" too. For what? We need CM and world class not an experimental player who can be adapted. Rather to Try Ericksen or Hazard maybe. It just my humble opinion. 30mil for Gaitan is a waste of money like always...

19 Dec 2011 21:50:43
I don't know about anyone else, but if Gaitan is signed in the summer as the answer to the midfield problems then I'll be annoyed. If he does arrive then it confirms, for me at least, that United are not willing/not allowed to dish out the big bucks to the best players. Even if his hypothetical transfer fee is £30m, I'd imagine Gaitan can't be on much more than £50k-a-week at Benfica, and that's what appeals to the current money men at United. The club's inability to offer the going rate to the top players has and will continue to hurt SAF's chances of building another great side.


Benzema in 2009 - SAF was always a huge admirer of his and in that summer, it looked like he would get him. Why, after United offered the same amount of money to Lyon as Real Madrid did, was Madrid the "only club for him"?

Ozil in 2010 - Again, another player that everyone knew SAF liked, and again, another player that Real Madrid snapped up. Before the World Cup, Ozil openly talked about how great Barcelona were and how he'd like to play for them, but that didn't stop him taking Madrid's offer over everyone else's. Why?

Villa in 2010 - Token bid for a player who's always wanted to remain in Spain.

Sneijder, last summer - He was happy to move to United if the money was right. He said that the move was possible. And he waited until 22:30 on deadline day to confirm that he'd be staying with Inter. Whether or not you think Sneijder was worth what he was asking for is irrelevant. If they had coughed up the cash, WS would be a United player at the moment.

Nasri, last summer - The most obvious example of United losing out on a player because of wages. He was all set to join before City offered him more.

Modric, last summer - Jamie Redknapp takes every opportunity to tell us that Chelsea AND United wanted Modric. But Modric, the man who moved across Europe to join Spurs, declared that he'd like to join Chelsea and only Chelsea because he was "settled in London". I guess it had nothing to do with the oligarch's money...

Rooney, 2010 - You'd have to be very naive to think that one day Rooney just decided that he'd like a change of scenery and so he'd be leaving United. His wishes to be let go would not have come as a shock to SAF. Rooney was obviously told after months of contract negotiations that he wasn't going to get the £170k-a-week (or whatever figure it was) that he wanted. He'll never be forgiven for the way he went about getting his pay raise, but we should ask why it took a threat to join City, for him to finally get what he wanted.


I'm sure someone will say that a player has to WANT to join United. But the reason top players don't want to join us is because they know they'll get more money elsewhere. The Manchester nightlife was good enough for Nasri, Clichy, K.Toure to leave London. And the Manchester weather was good enough for Aguero, Silva and Y.Toure to leave sunny Spain. Look at United's purchases over the last three years: Valencia, Obertan, Owen, Smalling, Hernandez, Bebe, De Gea, Young, Jones. What do they all have in commen? They were all signed on low wages. And if Gaitan joined, he'd be another one on this list. There's nothing wrong with finding a hidden gem or promoting from within, but every now and then, a club like Manchester United has to bring in a player who can hit the ground running, especially when someone of Scholes' stature has just retired. A world class player needs to be paid the big wages and at the moment, I fear they're not going to get that at United.

Matthew...

19 Dec 2011 20:20:31
Just to clear the "gaitan winger thing" his natural position is attacking midfielder but can obviously operate as winger as he does for benfica. Just check out his playing days at boca juniors he will be good for our team (if the rumours are true)

Discountdave

19 Dec 2011 19:26:13
I thought Phil Jones looked class yesterday and with Tom Cleverley just a few weeks away from being fit, we may just have a midfield strong enough to get us through to season end, more so if Pogba gets some game time. Jones has the same kind of midfield role that Yaya Toure has for City and given time, think he would have a similar impact, more so if he has Cleverly at his side. Certainly, yesterday was a big improvement upon recent months and we now need to build upon it.

Interesting to see all the January rumours starting to circulate. To me, given up reading them as Fergie always keeps his cards close to his chest. However, I think with Vidic's demise, the Cahill story may have some foundation. Certainly a Fergie type target, young, English and can play in a few positions, so be interesting to see what evolves. Living in Lancashire will also help.

Most importantly, heres to 3 points at Fulham on Wednesday.

Merry xmas to all Reds.

19 Dec 2011 18:44:07
Why is everybody saying push Rooney up top on his own? Have you not seen how stressed he gets? Even more so when isolated. Rooney always plays better with another striker. Brilliant partnership with Hernandez and starting to form quite a formidable one with Welbeck. We should only be playing 3 in middle against teams like Barca and RM.

19 Dec 2011 17:59:49
Just seen on sky sports thats its been confirmed we have had talks with benfica about nico gaitan, Do you guys think he would be a good signing?...mufc

19 Dec 2011 17:22:51
Pogba has come out and said that he wants to become a first team regular at United.

He spoke about how he's enjoying life at OT and how happy he was that he made his debut agaisnt leeds.

Hopefully when we play Wigan and Blackburn he may get 15 mins in each game seeing though these teams are struggling in the league. Albeit it will depend on the score.

19 Dec 2011 16:27:33
Syd
I agree if it putting Gibson on the bench got the club an extra mill fergy would do it but I don't belive that when he picks weather pogba or Gibson play he would put that in front of 1 pogba development and 2 picking the strongest team
but that just my opinion your entilted to yours
jred

19 Dec 2011 15:52:44
So if the so called reports are true utd have agreed for Gaitan at 29.3m&will arrive in the summer,my point on this is what do Utd know already?as we jus got Ash Young&we have Valencia,Nani&believe Gaitan as been playing on wing, we know Glazer cash isn't unlimited&we all know a world class centre midfielder is required&plus with Berba almost out the door also a new top forward going to be needed so 29.3 on another winger seems strange unless utd know one is leaving&have moved quick to replace,can't see Khadira or Ozil as utd could done a lot more before RM moved in if that interested,seen earlier report on pos Cahill deal,that may again be down to utd cash restrictions as would be cheaper deal but he is better than Evans who's jus a disaster waitin to happen every match,Torres talk last wk woudnt rule it out if he is up for 20-25m fergies a big fan&thou I'm not he's greatest fan admit I think at Utd he would spark back to best, does look same when at scouse that pissed off look but being stuck in dressing room with JT,Cole&Lumpard would test anybody!......sumbody on here put get Lumpard on loan!noooooooooooo I'd rather us play with 10 men!lol

19 Dec 2011 15:00:53
Syd
I don't think fergy wouldput 1millin front of a young players development
maybe u need to learn your not always right
jred

19 Dec 2011 13:36:31
Just read that Mendes is involved in the Gaitan deal. Oh, haven't we seen this before? Nani, Anderson, Ronaldo, Bebe and De Gea, all deals were in some form made by him. RFT might a have a few words to say about this i believe.

Just becoming increasingly sure that this deal will get done and the rumours are indeed true.

REDFAITH

P.S. Has anybody watched Gaitan regularly? Eds? {Ed007's Note - Sorry I've not seen enough to pass a fair judgement mate.}

19 Dec 2011 12:45:47
seasons greetings utd fans , so tell me is micheal -side pass -carrick the answer to your midfield woes or do you still think- wrongly, that you will get a big signing in january , and how are you just 2 points behind you know who , i hate the way you sneak up the table , even when you are playing rubish , but i have seen enough to know even this will not last , lpool are slowly but surley going to overtake you, even you lot must admit the liverpool machine is coming back and looking good , when i look at our bench even , i would rather have our squad than yours , something i could not of said before , kk in just one year has done so much , its just great watching our team play this season , we just get better every week ............lfc

19 Dec 2011 11:33:43
The only player at palace with name spence is Kyle spence
In the u15

19 Dec 2011 10:45:44
Just a few things that have been on my mind;

1. Why does Rooney look a bit unhappy. he is playing well, but doesn't seem to have a smile anymore?

2. Maybe Gaitan is being bought as a winger, and Young going into a Attacking Midfield player?

3. and this is just an idea, so feel free to tell me how wrong I am, but maybe in some matches we should have Wellbeck in a role behind the strikers, as an attacking midfielder... he is good at passing, gets the whole link up play & can run through defenses. This would allow us to play Rooney & Hernandez.

Any thoughts?

Free spirit

19 Dec 2011 08:30:24
i know man utd have problems with midfield but yous should forget all about getting snijder then buying gotze great player will get better and better and yous will have him for years he will propabley be just as good as snijder or better