Manchester United Banter Archive February 19 2013

19 Feb 2013 23:16:48
Ronaldo to return to United in the Summer?

Although I can actually see Real possibly letting Ronaldo go (for the right price of course!), I honestly can't see him ever coming back and wearing the shirt again. The main reason behind my belief is because his next contract will likely be his last big long term contract, and as a result he'll want to cash in as much as he possibly can. Personally, I can't blame him as I'm sure that most would do the same in his position. Whoever buys him (should he leave) will want him on a 5 year deal which will take him up to 33 years of age, and Ronaldo will want as much as he can get within that 5 years. I don't doubt he loves United, and that if money wasn't a factor, he'd return at a drop of a hat. However a footballers playing career has a short lifespan, and they do what they can to get the most money within that short playing window.

If I was a betting man, I would seriously put some money on Ronaldo being a PSG within the next 12-18 months.

As always, only my opinion and all are welcome to comment.

WF Red Devil

But surely is heart would rule his head, he is already minted. But then again it would only be a meagre £250k we could offer. lol

Everyone is of course fueled by money, however for someone great like Ronaldo its all about the titles and awards he wins and the mark he leaves on the game. He really wants the balon d'or and would have a great chance of getting it here instead of somewhere like PSG. And let's face it, he's in the top 5 of the worlds most marketable men. He'll get a huge salary with us and the endorsement money is silly. For the sake of a few extra grand I'm sure hether be with us in the EPL than at a. French or even Russian League.

Fresh!

It would take some serious money package to get Ronaldo back to OT, although he would get us to the next level (up there with barca) RVP, Rooney, Ronaldo would be a supporters dream and a sponsers dream - if he became available I am sure United would very seriously consider.

Giants14

19 Feb 2013 22:29:02
For the supposed best keeper in the world Neuer made a bit of a howler. How he ended up in no mans land I will never know, it wasn't a differcult ball to judge. And he certainly wasn't very authoritive in when balls were coming into the box.

It has got me thinking, how many Goalkeepers come for crosses now? I can't think of any keeper who you'd bet your house on for coming and getting a cross with real autority.

Maybe keepers are taught that with modern footballs that its best to stay on your line?

Buffon has everything u want in a keeper, wonder if we ever made a move?
Chris the REDman

Neuer was just as bad as anything i've seen from De Gea on corners since De Gea joined and this is against arsenal, maybe this was just a blip but it really strengthens my faith in De Gea.

Shappy - I believe coming for balls is more of a British thing due to how physical it is in the box and team seem to cross more in Britain too. You look at Spanish or German football and they seem to predominantly play on the floor and the ref gives fouls if you blow on anyone especially the keeper it is why I think British teams struggle more nowadays as the refereeing in Europe is pathetic to say the least.

Shappy,

This is a good point which I've tried to make in the past - if you watch most of the world's most accomplished keepers, not that many of them come for crosses unless they are 100% gettable. Whether this is wrong or right, tha art of goal keeping is changing and we need to keep this in mind.

Neuer made a mistake on a cross, how long before someone post 's
Munich regret buying him and want begovic instead

19 Feb 2013 22:20:58
Q: Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, an intelligent Liverpool supporter, and an old drunk are walking down the street together when simultaneously they each spot a fifty quid note. Who gets it?

A: The old drunk, of course; the other three are mythical creatures.



19 Feb 2013 22:49:10
patzi, what used to be the difference between utd and a yo-yo, answer-one went up and down all the time for years, while the other was a round circle with a peice of string atached lol.

Eds

Is there an award for the worst, least funny posts on this site? Because I think I've found the winner! Hint - it's not Patzi ; )

Oh I don't know. Patzi is pretty close.

TK-Red

With that last joke atleast. That came out wrong first time around.

TK-Red

19 Feb 2013 22:15:01
Errrrrrm, why are the scousers so in love with our banter and rumour pages? All I see is. lfc here and BR there. Do they really think we are talking about them in AWE whenever they win? I'd rather watch paint dry than get into debates with these boys. I'm AMAZED they think they have a debate!

Patzi,

Don't worry I'm 100% sure that deep down they know the truth. It's just that they can't handle the truth! Every time I read a post by either 'lfc' ot 'puzzled' it doesn't matter what they've typed - all I see is 'it'll be our year NEXT YEAR'. I'm just amazed that we all see how repetitive and embarrassing it is, whilst they obviously believe that Rodgers is the next messiah! Oh dear oh dear, another few years of cheap entertainment for us I guess ; )

MoneyCadger- 'no matter what they've typed all I see is it'll be our year NEXT YEAR'

So you see what you want to see and then accuse Liverpool supporters of having YOUR thoughts

Puzzled

19 Feb 2013 21:44:29
According to 'The Metro' in London, lewandowski's agent is in talks with United over a £10 mil move in the Summer. Bayern deny any interest in this report.

Kagawa cost us 12-17mil with 1 year left so I wouldn't be suprised if BD wanted 20mil atleast

I'm surprised Bayern aren't interested in this 'report' guy. Sounds like a good player.

Bayern?!
Not surprised, he plays for Dortmund!
Nice try wise guy ;)

I was referring to this guys reports, as in Bayern have paved the way. Jees lads only echoing what the metro says!. lol

Come on guys Bayern are reportedly in for him :) Personally I don't think we need him at United so I'm not bothered.

The whole story is based on a quote his agent made in the summer, before we bought rvp

United have been holding talks with Lewandowski since the signing of RvP.

Sydney!

19 Feb 2013 20:35:07
Mertesacker is terrible.
Please please please sign Wilshire.





Can only mean one thing.

Cut half my message due to use if brackets!
Should have said

Sweaty palms, fever, dizziness. Can only mean one thing.

For all this newbies out there. MOTD Fever!

I agree, Wilshere was really effective again tonight, shame about his team mates.

I speak better english lol : ) i'm making joke :)

Sorry dogybanetr :)

Haha. Was it you zee? All us forgiven :)

Nice speeeling if my name break ;)

19 Feb 2013 20:06:56
Who wouldn't want a midfield of javi martinez and scweinsteiger.

The Devil {Ed004's Note - Bayern are playing some very good football. I love the system they play is one i would love to see here. I don't rate their striker though}

I'm sure that'll be the first thing Pep changes ed ;)

I like the way they play, just pateint passing and pass about their defense/midfield forcing arsenal forward then they attack.

JK92

Bayern are so compact and very well organized and even without a marquee striker very good. Watching porto and malaga and malaga is poor and disco is non-existent. Matter of time before porto score. {Ed004's Note - I watched both games tonight and neither Isco or Rodriguez (granted he's just back from injury and was only on for about half an hour) impressed me. From bits of the Arsenal game I saw Wilshere was brilliant and exactly the type of player we are missing in midfield. A leader}

Have to agree with you Wilshere was quality all night, if he ever becomes available Utd should be first in the queue {Ed004's Note - I would love to see a move for Wanyama and Wilshere. Would add a lot to the squad with capable cover in Carrick and Cleverley}

Wilshere was indeed class, and it seems its not only this site that united fans are calling for him to sign. How much would he cost? £35-£40mil. ?

IMO Wilshere is an impossible buy this summer. He seems pretty loyal but if they keep being so poor I could see him leaving in about 2 years, He is a class act that's for sure. Too good for Arsenal? What do you think, Stoner? ; )

As I posted yesterday, I watch Rodriguez a lot and he is over hyped. Bale a much better option as winger.
Nomidfield

ED004 exactly the same observation on both players and that is probably why the manager passes on some of these guys to the annoyance of many of us as they don't justify the price tags.

Wilshire would be fantastic as he was outstanding in a very poor arsenal team and that is difficult to do as you know.

Shahram

19 Feb 2013 19:51:00
Amazed to see that other fans (lfc) think Utd are an average team with one high class player! If only we had signed another one in Jan we might have finished 60 points ahead of Liverpool.

Re finishing 60 points ahead - we still might

Good point NilNamen ;)

19 Feb 2013 18:10:20
i am thinking of writing a new book called 20 years, the missing years, no this is not a book about jesus, but my own cliub lpool, I mean the pain of going through all them years with very little trophies, and even shamefully getting relegated,
ps, hang on a min, I must of been reading utds history, o well, maybe my friend honey badger could help me on this project lol. {Ed004's Note - There would be no point you writing one on Liverpool though... Unless you call it 20 years and counting surely?}

19 Feb 2013 18:37:49
knowing my luck ed004, I will live to be the worlds oldest man, with lpool still not winning a prem title lol. lfc

How a about a book called 'liverpool 20 years in transition'? but tbh honest anything would be better than that sketch show u put out called 'being liverpool' mind u for the last 20 years ure club has been a great joke.

You could call it:

"Lost In Transition"

The life of Brendan - he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy

'Friend' is a very loose term don't you think? ;)

Gav

19 Feb 2013 16:00:07
From lfc ", I think most utd fans know rome was not built in a day or a season" I think we all get that but the thing is you lot have been in transition since rafa left there was Roy, kenny and now Rodgers and you haven't improved at all infact you have slipped further down the table. You also said you are investing in young player world class ones at that! So I ask you how good is Henderson? How good is Coates? How good is Assiadi? The answers are thy are poor barring the odd one here and there our young player we have signed have been pretty good Hernandez, smalling, jones, de gea, rafael, miles better than the likes of coutinho and Assiadi! So don't come on here saying we are almost as good as you our players are as good blah blah. You lot are miles behind us and it will take years to get close to us again! Also for every Liverpool fan please stop saying you are in transition it's getting boring now!

Caol�n.
P. S next year is your year though

19 Feb 2013 17:04:05
They've been in transition ever since Souness first walked in the boot room as manager and spent millions on players that didn't work out like Dicks, Ruddock, Redknapp, Clough and Stewart. Ever since then they've been in decline. Evans came in, lovely bloke, good coach, weak manager, spent big on more flops like Babb, Scales, McAteer and Collymore. The Spice Boys walking out at Wembley in those cream suits remains one of the funniest things i've ever seen in football. Houllier with his brilliant buys, we all remember Bruno Cheyrou the new Zidane, Diao the new Vieira and so on. The Waiter, where to begin, probably the easiest opponent Fergie has ever seen off and the Fact Rant is pure comedy. Actually in fairness to the Waiter he did put up the best challenge we've had from the scousers in the Premier League era. Roy didn't have the time. Kenny blew big money on rubbish. And that brings us up to date. Twenty years of transition, twenty years of over spending on average players, twenty years of league failure and bagging the odd cup whilst watching us scoop title after title. Twenty years in which they've spent as much as us and achieved nothing but a fluky champions league whilst deep down they know but for Messi we'd be level. Fading ever more into irrelevance and reduced to cheering on City. Big summer for them as the Rat will be jumping ship. MrE

Was Rome built in 20 years?

19 Feb 2013 17:26:37
thanks caolan-2, I won't even watch coutinho again, I mean he been at lpool long enough to make an impact, your so right.
ps, is phil jones just breaking into the utd first team, or did you sign him weeks ago, the one thing I would hate is if coutinho turned out to be like my favourite -anderson, but I don't think even br would give him 6 years to find a bit of form lol.

Caol�n, You forgot to mention the actual youngsters Sinclair, Sterling, Suso, Ibe, Mclaughlin, Smith, Robinson, Jones, Yesil not players like Assaidi who is 25 years of age.

It's quite evident Liverpool have an outstanding academy, they're also playing football the right way and when they're ready to make the step up they'll be familiar with the philosophy, thanks to the work by Borrell, Segura, Mcparland etcetera.

Nicely summed up Mr. E, spot on.

I'm glad someone is able to add a bit of realism to these threads involving Pool fans, as it's sure to hell not going to come from them!

19 Feb 2013 18:14:29
Badger no worries, I remember their history even if they try to forget it. Thing is we've heard it every year. "This is our year. " "Next year is our year. " " (insert name) is the missing piece in the puzzle. " That puzzle has had so many missing pieces they should have taken it back. Now they seem to think their on their way to Total Football. I laughed so hard i've sprung a rib. MrE

Is this the same sterling who did well until teams found him out? The same suso a gust of wind could knock over? On your page you talk about these young players as if you've got incredible players but I garuntee nick Powell and adnan januzaj turn out better!

No no no its the same worldclass wonder kid up there with all the best young players in the world stearling

Lfc is right liverpool would never give anderson 6 years, they will proberly just buy him at the end of the season for 35m

Sterling has been found out, Suso is far too light weight, the rest i've either never heard of, or not been impressed when i've seen them.

Do you really think Borrell, Segura and co will stay around long term?

O god MrE those cream suits lol.

Borrell will be there for the long term yes, and you clearly don't watch Liverpool's u21's etcetera that's why your not that "impressed" by them.

No true I don't watch your u21's why would I want to. The ones like Suso and Robinson though when they've played in the 1st team this season look out of their depth, if their the best you can manage then I feel for you.

I used to think Sterling was the next Aaron Lennon but now I see he has no chance of reaching that level : /

19 Feb 2013 14:33:44
Saw earlier that SAF is going for Isco, hoping to replace Scholesey. He's a brilliant young talent and will be a fantastic replacement for a long term!
JS

He plays too far forward to be able to repalce Scholes. He would be a good addition to the front 4 though. Also thougt it was good of him to say that he would let Malaga sell him to a big club to 'help out Malaga's finances' - very generous of him haha.

Fresh!

I agree with Fresh!

I don't want to re-open the old AM v CM debate but am I the only one who thinks that Silva, Mata, Oezil, Sneijder, Isco etc. etc. are more 'attacking midfielders' (i. e. would play in the 3 in a 4231) whilst players like Carrick, Scholes (in the later days), Schwiensteiger, Xavi, Pirlo are all 'creative minded CM'ers' or 'deep lying play makers' (i. e. would play in the 2 in a 4231)?

I think I'm going mental on this site sometimes when people suggest players such as Sneijder or Isco to play in a 2 man midfiled alongside Carrick? Not only do these players not naturally play in such a deep position but they've never played a game in the EPL. To think it's just as easy as changing their position as well as them bedding into a new league is crazy IMO.

Sorry for the rant but this is something that has always baffled me! Bed soon.

19 Feb 2013 14:27:30
you know this utd team just might end up winning the treble, when I look at your team, the only player that stands out is rvp, all the rest are good, average, poor, life really can be strange at times, I mean even as a lpool fan I admit that some of the old utd teams were great sides, but this one- no, ps, has the premership sliped down a bit, and are the spanish teams a bit overated, I think so.
Lfc
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Oh here we go again with this clowns assessment of our team, dnt u ever get bored of writting rubbish mate? i'm sure if this site was up and running in 99 we would have the exact same posts from u back then about this team being lucky, u lot being unlucky, the prem being poor, blah blah blah honestly mate your nonsense get boring after a while.
Ok let's look at the facts, yes the prem is not as good as 5 years ago its called transition, I know u must find that a strange word as Liverpool definition of it means going backwards and wasting a shed load of cash doing it, hut its plain and simple, rio and Vidic were never going to stay 27-28 they get older as do terry, lampard, henry etc so atm most of the top clubs and I dnt include u in that as well were in 2013 now not the 80's are replacing there older figures with younger and potentially more technical players as this game we love has moved on to sum degree.
Wot the top clubs dnt do is replace there best but ageing stars with downing and henderson fact!
But now utd are nearly there hence why we are 12 points clear, spurs and building up to that, Chelsea are maybe a few years behind but will be back soon.
Then we have Liverpool lol well while this real transition takes place u are falling further behind every1. That would be worrying for me if I was unfortunate to support Liverpool but facts are there u have wasted money on dross u can't afford, are stuck in a bog hole of a stadium, are going to lose wot ever decent players u have etc, and wot will u have in return? David brent and his pr department desperately and succeeding in reeling out manager jargo about how the project is working and u are moving in the right direction lol.
But then I support united and are therefore the enemy so I must be wrong about ure future.
Funny thing is thou I posted on your page not so long ago about this and got a lot of agrees far outweighing the disagrees but then u have just beat Swansea's 2nd team so obviously jext year will be your year to shine yeh?

19 Feb 2013 15:47:11
hi chris the REDman, I am sorry you seem so perplexed about my run-down of this great/average/poor utd side. but just remember chris when taking about br, what would you have said to the best manager utd have ever had - saf in his first few sesons, would you know it takes time to built a winning side/sides or would you have been one of the utd fans in the crowd with the bander saying fergie out, I think I know the answer,
bo bo the clown.

Ok then so u have the belief in his pr that u moving in the right direction then? Borini, allen?
If ure lucky maybe Williams and any other cast offs the top 6 want gone? I hear huddlestone is available for a knock down price, or maybe even dempsy ig

Problem is lfc is that Fergie won the league in Scotland before he joined United, which proved he had what it takes to win especially against Celtic and Rangers.

Brendan didn't really do to much with Swansea did he?

-JakeW

Ohh bless ya u really do believe it all dnt ya lol i'm sorry lfc its not my place to shatter your hopes and dreams that's brenton Rodgers job.
What was his new qoute he stole? U can live without water for a few days but not without hope?
Chris the REDman

Lfc, oh deary deary me!

The constant comparisons on the Liverpool site between Rodgers and SAF in his early days are laughable and downright embarrassing. Even the Eds on that page keep telling you that yet you don't get the hint, haha. My, my you lot are setting yourselves up for yet another big fall! I'd have thought you'd had enough of it by now, lol.

I'm convinced that Brenda can be Liverpool's David O'Leary. He must stay.

TommyH

19 Feb 2013 13:43:48
"You might like to think Fergie has not built another amazing squad, but if you step back, take the bitter blinkers off and have a good look, we have only gone and done it again.

Make mine a Treble. "

GDS, I really enjoyed that post.
But don't listen to lfc, because we're relying on two old age pensioners. Without Rooney we're nothing. Vidic will never come back the same player. DDG is useless and couldn't put in a motm performance against RM. Our wingbacks are useless and our left back would be Liverpools third top goalscorer.

We've been a one man team since Ronaldo was here. Only the one man changes month to month, and all those men are still here bar Ronny.

Lastly, if the liverpool players are so much better than ours, lfc, why didn't the biggest club in the world go for any of them?

19 Feb 2013 14:39:28
well nizza, the side br is trying to built will take maybe 2 more seasons, before you really start to see the total football methrod coming back to lpool, we will and are buying younger players, and our youth set-up, players you will see more and more of in the coming years will be world class, I think most utd fans know rome was not built in a day or season, maybe some of our own fans could learn that as well, I won't bicker with you, but there's just one point I would say, you said you have been called a one man team before meaning rooney, well nizza I think even the most die hard utd supporters know that he is a poor player conpaired to the young wayne rooney, so I think you would be better off without him in the team.
ps, just be carefull GDS, or it might be a treble on the rocks lol.

Nizza I think you have summed up your players very well

Puzzled

How To lfc, A Users Guide:

Avoid the question you can't answer,
Expand the exhausted cliche of 'next year' to become 'two years time',
Ignore the twenty+ years that they've failed to achieve what they said they would,
Throw in something about a player who would get into any team in England (maybe the world),
Forget to back it up with any substance about how good Liverpool are now.

26 Points.

How To Puzzled, A Users Guide:
Post nonsense,
Repeat.

I think you will do well on here Nizza - your only competition is a very pompous Disney! and a very liverish Rainfish

Nizza, top posts and more factual than anything I've read from lfc, ever. I'm sat here LOL'ing my socks off at lfc setting himself up for yet another fall! Keep it coming scoucers, you really do keep us entertained between matches, just at your expense ; )

19 Feb 2013 12:31:14
united yeeeeeesssss nani had a good game and we can finish the league in 4 match`es we just need 3 or 4 win`s in row and then we can focus on the champions league and the fa cup glory glory manchester united. united. !zee;)

19 Feb 2013 11:50:22
you know this utd team just might end up winning the treble, when I look at your team, the only player that stands out is rvp, all the rest are good, average, poor, life really can be strange at times, I mean even as a lpool fan I admit that some of the old utd teams were great sides, but this one- no,
ps, has the premership sliped down a bit, and are the spanish teams a bit overated, I think so.

Here we go! We are winning the league by 12points and are way out of sight from your beloved team, so if your theory is correct, then United must be just above average and you lot must be total crap! We'll take that. Keep dreaming.
Nomidfield

Did we have RvP last season when we finished on 85 points with City?

How did Arsenal do with RvP last season? Did they win the league with him?

Out of the 86 goals we have scored this season RvP has contributed just 23.

Sydney!

Are you this bitter?lfc, if man united are this poor and are 12 points clear in table and 30 points off your beloved liverpool, what does that say about your own team?. Really poor attempt to banter.

Cant you take your bitterness elsewhere?

of course IF you were top itd be the strongest league on the planet?

5-0 at the weekends got you brave again eh?

19 Feb 2013 12:47:50
Dont mind being average if we win everything.
What ever makes you feel better.

Whistler.

I agree the premiership must have slipped a bit for your load of s**t to even be in the top ten! With the likes of Henderson, Downing, Agger and Shelvey regularly playing in a top ten side then the league must on the decline.

Bazza

In reply to your PS.

I think Premier League is lower in standard now, but I think every league but the Bundesliga is.

I think across Europe there has been a drop in quality. I mean looking at back the seasons 05/06-09/10, the Premier League and Champions League were far more interesting than the past few years IMO.

None of United, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal can say with any conviction that their teams are better now than then. City (for obvious reasons) can, Tottenham and Everton perhaps.

United: Tevez, Ronaldo, Hargreaves, VDS + younger Scholes, Giggs, Rooney, Vidic, Evra etc.

Chelsea: Ballack, Essien, Drogba, Carvalho + younger Lampard, Cole, Terry, Cech etc.

Liverpool: Mascherano, Torres, Xabi Alonso, younger Gerrard, Reina etc

Arsenal: RVP, Fabregas, Song, Adebayor, Nasri etc

I think in years to come we'll look at those 5 or so years as a golden era of English (club) football.

If all our players are (apart from rvp) Good, average or poor that means your lot have; one good/average player (ratface) and the rest are either well over the hill (Steviezimmerframe) or utter dross.

But then I suppose that "Next Year" you will win something - always next year.
Mike

Vidic, Ferdinand, Evans, Smalling

Better than Stam, Berg, Johnsen, May

van Persie, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck

As good as if not better than Yorke, Cole, Sheringham, Solskjaer.

We may have our weaknesses lfc, but to suggest we are a one man team is ridiculous and you clearly know nothing about football if you think that is the case.

We won a cup quarter final last night with 8 players different to the team that drew in the Bernabeu and 1 of the 3 still playing in a different position.

You might like to think Fergie has not built another amazing squad, but if you step back, take the bitter blinkers off and have a good look, we have only gone and done it again.

Make mine a Treble.

Lfc, I understand why you may think that.

However, as a commentator pointed out not so long ago in the City match, it's all well and good having the "star players" but if you don't have the team you'll get nowhere.

That's where I think this United team have made up, with having not necessarily a bunch of stars, but a great team.

Ps. I would classify DDG as world class, you'll disagree, but i'm sure deep down you know he is.

The post about the United 'team' came from me.

Still trying to get used to signing in.

19 Feb 2013 07:06:23
Good morning lads.
How many of u think nani is better on right side rather left? his best performance came from right till now in his career and lack of proper time there in case of first ronaldo and then valancia not allowing him to settle. As soon as valancia get fit he has been moved to left due to his weak foot ability and our lack of option on left wing with left foot.

I strongly believe that we must play him at right hand side even if valancia is fit. That will give beter results to him and united. And at the end of season manager should judge whether to sell him or keep him on right side.

Rodio17

Nani is going Rodio mate.

Sydney!

Yer I would agree his best position is on the right

Nani is better on the right side and if he consistently played like last night then he would be one of the first names on the team sheet. I don't think anybody on here has ever suggested nani doesn't have bags of ability, it is the fact he uses it once every 15 games that annoys people. If he is as good as last night why does he not play like that more often?

I'll sell Valencia any day. He's a one trick pony, can only beat a man with speed and he seems to have lost that! I've never seen him cross a ball with his left foot, so that makes the defenders job much easier. When on form against the weaker opposition, he'll do well, but against the best defenders, he's not got it.
Give nani a run there and we'll have zaha as cover next year and sell Valencia.
NoMidfield

Nani has always been better on the right hand side. The boy has all the talent in the world but is so frustrating. For me personally i'd take him over valencia every day of the week. What the hell has gone wrong with him. He couldn't beat an egg at the moment & i'm sure he's put on a few extra pounds
Blackpool Red

I wonder where he will be nxt year (Nani) I bet he will move on and be a star in a more average team.

19 Feb 2013 12:52:37
personally i'd sell both nani and valencia this summer could pick up thirty million over all. Add to that another fifteen for anderson and our usual fifty we'd have plenty to replace all three and get somebody else in. MrE

If he gets more game time and plays like last night we will get a great price for him in the summer.

Shahram

Yes syd I m not denying that possibility but here I was discussing something. He still has four months to prove himself.

Rodio17

19 Feb 2013 02:32:20
Lads and ladies,

fergie controls all, touch of class with getting the balll boys to be on their toes, way a manager should be, controlling all,

Lorcan

19 Feb 2013 00:59:34
Let's be honest, we have three strikers, not four. Welbeck is a decent player but he is no finisher.

As Kloot pointed out, give the lad enough time and he will miss his chance.

He has pace and always puts in a good shift. Maybe, he should work on his crossing. It's the only way I see him here in five years.

Agree as he is so clumsy and is never going to be a top striker. lacks poise and that calmness. I know people say he is young but there are lot's of young footballers around who have that bit of special quality that sets them apart from the decent to good footballers. IMO will never be a starting striker for United but decent as a squad player.

If we buy lewandowski, it could mean he gets sold as Hernandes is by far a better striker.

Shahram

Whilst I agree to some extent, Welbeck's finishing isn't to the same standard as RVP or Hernandez, I think he can come good. He's not getting the same game time he was getting last year, and he was coming on leaps and bounds back then but hasn't really had as much opportunity this season.
Strikers thrive on scoring goals, and it can take a couple of games to get your eye in again, if he isn't getting a consistent run in that position then his finishing will suffer. Unfortunately for Danny, I can see him wanting to leave if he isn't played regularly, problem is I can't see him coming in front of either of our other three strikers and, of course, we have a lot of striking talent in the reserves that will be hitting the fringes of the first team soon.
Overall, I think he;s either going to have to adapt to either play the support role, or on the wings or he may need to leave to get the playing time he needs

More Danny bashing hey? let's sell a local boy who loves united and buy a 20 million pound player who just cares about money. I hate some of our fans at times give the lad a break. I'm sure you were the same people saying fletcher wasn't good enough when he first started.

Adam Dean

Sharham
I have said similar about welbeck in the past but I don't think we will sell him, he may not make the very top but I think he will be good player, fergy seems to rate him he's not long signed a new contract and I think United as club won't sell a player like welbeck when they still have potential to develop in to good players.

If Rooney keeps playing like he's been doing this season, then welbeck has nothing to fear. I'll sell Rooney. He came in for pure season a stone overweight. He has lost pace and his touch is non existent. And we have the pleasure of paying £200k+ a week for seeing this guy!
I hope we don't give up on welbeck, he is good prospect and still young.
NoMidfield

Jred

I tend to agree with you that it takes a lot for SAF to give up on a young player who he sees has potential.

Although as Ed002 points out signing longterm contracts with a player is no indication that he will be at the club and it is a case of more money for the player and more leverage for the club.

For me he has zero killer instinct and great strikers can score goals from nothing and don't need 10 bites at the cherry and whilst they will miss the easy chance but then they score an incredible goal from nothing.

The reason I brought it up was if the lewandowski rumors materialize then he would get almost no game time with RVP, Rooney, Lew, Hernandez ahead of him and we have keane and Hernandes coming through the youth ranks.

Adam Dean

I am not sure how to respond to your reply, but being a local boy is not a pre-requisite and neither should be a substitute for his shortcomings as top level striker.

Shahram

I'm confident Welbeck will be with us for a number of years and will be given every opportunity to develop and improve.

I like Welbeck and think his pace, work rate and athletisism are valuable in tough away games (as we have seen). My worry is that he needs to improve his finishing - but is that something you can 'work on' or is it more of a natural ability?

You can obviously work on it and improve but a lo of it is natural instinct. Rooney and michael owen were deadly at 20 and natural goal scorers.

Shahram

19 Feb 2013 00:05:55
Some very interesting things tonight. Nani was walking a very thin tight rope tonight. Yes he showed flashes of brilliance and scored but he was playing for himself as if just to prove a point and reminded me of Ronaldo when he was going and wouldn't pass to anyone. After all that good work he nearly undid it all at the end with that silly push. Remember Chelsea in the league cup Fergie would have killed him if he had done it again. Am I the only one to notice that Smallings distribution is absolutely woeful he over hits those long passes every time and like Vidic hits the ball out a lot. Speaking of Vidic once again he showed that in him we have someone who will put his head where it hurts again and again to win a game we need to find someone with that ability. Tony V you just make me sad your confidence has flown away and nobody knows when it will come back hopefully soon. Some usual standards Cleverley carried water and Anderson was carrying something mostly extra weight. I really did believe he was going to complete a whole game. Wellbeck showed why he has scored so few goals this season. He hates having time to think and once again he tripped himself up in the area. Ashley Young I don't know how you have the shame to pick up your wages you are an imposter. Good to see DDG catch a few. I AM KLOOT

Agree with a lot of that. I had noticed Smalling's poor distribution and he's made one or 2 errors recently. Still a great prospect but perhaps we've put him on a bit of a pedestal too soon?

I think you're a bit harsh though on Cleverly, Ando & Young. I thought Cleverly and Ando did OK considering neither of them likes to defend. I counted 5 or 6 forward thinking balls from Cleverly (thought you'd appreciate that) and a couple of them were beauty's. A couple of decent efforts on goal too and he never stopped giving options to his team mates. Ando was OK in patches, thought Young was OK 1st half but both faded.

HBadger

Like most CB's Smalling needs a run of games. You only need to watch the City game where Rooney scored that overhead kick to see what Smalling can do after a run of games. One thing for sure is we do not need a CB at United until Rio retires, Especially if we by a combative midfielder this summer and Fabio rivals his brother for RB.

Sydney!

Badger,

Kloot won't have appreciated anything cleverley did as he never does. I thought we were very strong defensively last night and vidic was at his brilliant best, some of the turns he did to get past people were extremely cool and you never felt worried.

Agree with everything you said Kloot Nani is all self and its time he was moved on. Tony V is a shadow of the player he once was but I still would pick him against Madrid, Smallings distribution is shocking but I think its a lack of confidence and not getting enough a run in the team game after game. Clerverly as I have said previously is not good enough for Utd he never influences games or never will and is also too easlily knocked off the ball. Anderson I think is coming towards the end of his time at Utd really had high hopes for him last season and this but nothing has changed and I think his off the field activities get in the way of his football as his mind are not on the games. Lastly Vidic was superb how many times did he get his head to the ball and is never afraid to go in where it hurts, unfortunalately we don't have enough like him in the squad or team.

Damian M