Manchester United Banter Archive July 19 2012

19 Jul 2012 22:29:28
ta jred fearny. decent replies. lets hope we sign him. not another alexis sanchez style anti climax. he looks the real deal. we should go the extra mile. woudnt mind hearing alex say honestly i think we paid more than required but this is a one off player and were glad to have him.

as for lingard cole and tunnecliffe and petrucci too. hope to see them too. they earned the youth cup and rightly so are highly thought of. i really like cole and tunnecliffe. shame we couldnt add morrison and pogba. got to say those two were the ones i was most excited about. but moving swiftly on.

..constantine..

19 Jul 2012 22:19:37
Now there appears to be something in this Lucas Moura link. Now there are two things with this potential transfer that worries me. I don't overly care what tactic's or formations we use, good players will always get game time.

My first worry is the number of fans bigging him up like he's the best thing since sliced bread. I've seen many comments stating that he is better than Ronaldo was at his age, That he will be better than Ronaldo Messi and Maradona ect ect ect. These are insane assumtions to be making on a talented young player. And you are lumping far to much expectation on the lad. How many times have you seen him play? IMO you need to watch a player at least ten times before you can start to get a good picture of him as a player, and to make such statements then i would have expected you to have watched him for more than a year. No one was to fussed or bigging this lad up until we were linked with him. I think too many people have had a look at his best bits on youtube and are getting carried away. I am a awful footballer but if i mashed together a compilation of my best clips then you lot would be hailing me the new messiah. I've seen about three games that the lad has played in, and with my limited knowledge of seeing play a whole game i can tell you he is a talented lad but he has alot of rough edges to polish off and he is years away from being the finished artical. He has great control pace and a cracking shot, his passing is very good but he does try to pull off the spectacular too often and when the simple pass would be best. He has very poor decision making(i mean Nani level poor decision making). And he doesn't track back and has a poor off the ball work ethic. But he has potential. But if he does come don't expect him to be some saviour and blow everyone away. He'll blow hot and cold like Nani, sometimes he'll be sublime and other he'll frustrate the hell outta you.

My other worry is the fees involved. The money being talked about is stupid. You shouldn't be spending these kind of figures on a players potential alone. If you were buying him as the finished artical based on his current ability with no chance of him improving you wouldn't spend more than 10m on him due to his inconsistancy. So your banking on him more than trebling his current ability. He could easily flop. The pressures on this lad would be huge. But the more pressing concern i have with spending this money on him is why are the Glaziers so happy to open the safe and rob the piggy banks to sign this lad when we've appeared to be so strapped for cash before. I mean if this money is available then why didin't we use it to replace Scholes last year or on a striker or a left back why does the money seem to be there for Lucas but not others? People will point to bids made for Hazard and Rodriguez this summer but the cynic in me feels that maybe this money is available to sign these kind of players only. By these kind of players i mean young super talented lads who's values will only increase. Are we allowed to sign these lads as they are assets that will gain value and be able to be sold for a premium in 4/5 years time ala Ronaldo.

From the Glaziers point of view it's a master piece. They spend big on a young player that'll keep the fans happy then in 4/5 years time when their value peaks move them on at a profit and sign the next young talent. We sell youth products at a profit so why not sign young players and do the same. If this is the case then i am worried about the direction our club is going. I don't want us to be the next Arsenal.
Lucas strikes me as this kind of signing, I doubt he'll want to stay with us for all of his career, few foriegn lads do. Spain would appeal at some point and his agents would rather move him about too. So do we want to sign a young lad train him up only to lose him as he reaches his peak like we did Ronaldo?

For me this transfer raises more questions than it answers.

Shappy

I would just like to point that at no point did I say he would be better than Maradona. I simply said he has similar traits.

G.A.G.U.S

Fantastic post. Fully agree with every word. If Moura's the real deal, we'll have him for 3-4 seasons and if he helps us win silverware, great.

But the pressure on a teenager coming from a different continent, to lets face it, a miserable country on the whole in comparion - with such a price tag.......

RED_SKY

Also Shappy, why so sad? ;-)

G.A.G.U.S

My worries too. Signing Moura just doesn't add up as a longterm strategy. We can guarantee that he will want to move at some stage and buying him means that Nani (a player who is happy to spend his career with us), is sold.

To be honest I wouldn't mind this too much if the plan was just to replace Nani with a better player, and improve the rest of our squad too. But the fact of the matter is that signing Moura means that we won't be investing in our weakest area. Not one of our midfield players is a regular international, and Moura is not the new Xavi, Inestia or Jesus. He is a 19 year old with fast feet and bags of potential as a winger or forward.

Remember that as these rumours are heating up that Fergie has admitted that we can't even convince Welbeck to commit to the club. We need to tie players like Welbeck (career players) to the club and start rebuilding our midfield instead of breaking the bank to sign a kid who will bolt as soon as Real or Barca come knocking.

Danny Pughnited

I understand your worry and don't want us to be known as a selling club either but in some cases I wouldn't mind us buying a good young player then selling him for more so long as 1) he helps bring success in the meantime 2) we make a big profit 3) we reinvest a chunk of that in the next big thing

When Ronaldo and Tevez left we took too long to reinvest and that left our squad lacking that little bit of class. So we would have to reinvest quicker than that, but otherwise it's not too big a deal IMO. Football is a business, squads are ever-changing and ever-evolving and no one player should be bigger than the team. Some will come in for life Vidic, Evra, hopefully Rooney and Kagawa...some will move on for a different challenge or a better climate. I guess I just see that as an inevitable part of the modern game that we need to learn to deal with, or even take advantage of

I do agree the fee seems high though, although I've barely seen Moura play so can't judge too much

Gav

Good post Shappy, but would you go back now and not sign Ronaldo? Ok, the price tag was more sensible, but forget the money risk... Training up, getting some of his best years-then moving on? Ronny was excellent business, for football and money reasons...

DodgyBanter

Two points there though would you have been happy to sign Ronaldo if he was gonna cost 34m rather than 12m? Also bearing mind you know Ronaldo has become a world star. There is no garrentees that Lucas will even be half the player Ronaldo is.

G.A.G.U.S, do you think its even fair mentioning them in the same sentance? One possibly the greatest footballer ever tha other a 19yo lad with talent. He has done nothing to earn those comparessions. And i'm not sad. Lol. Just a realist, this transfer does stand out from the norm. Why is all i'm asking really.

Shappy

Shappy

I am not comparing Moura to Maradona. I am saying he has a similar style of play(burst of speed, glides past players, skill)

G.A.G.U.S

I can appreciate your concern Shappy but with every transfer there brings an element of risk, will they settle in Manchester, will they fit in to the style of the team?

You say how many games have we watched? Need to of watched at least 10 or more games to get a good understanding of how good the player is but don't you think SAF and his scouting team have been monitoring this lad for at least a year and seen him play plenty of times which is why they are keen to get the kid wrapped up?

As for him potentially only staying for 3, 4, 5 years, well unfortunately this is the problem with south American players and players from the Mediterranean countries, they have no loyalty to our clubs and will always have that desire to head "home" and play for the top side there, it's the same with our kids, when we grew up we wanted to play for Manchester United, kids over here will want to play for Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool or Arsenal.

I would like big money invested in cm, think it's clear we need that but SAF did try to last year with Sneijder but maybe something's changed for him now? Maybe he feels we have potential there in Tunncliffe, Powell, Pettruci, Linegard?

So if we get him and he moves on eventually, so be it, hopefully he can bring success during his time with us like Ronaldo but as long as we have the foundations of the team set then Moura goes and we bring in someone new, it's a simple conveyor belt that happens in football, but the key is having good foundations, this is why we have weathered the storm of Arsenal, Chelsea and why we will weather the storm of city because SAF has layer good foundations in the club!

Ports

19 Jul 2012 20:57:18
Interesting that SAF has set Danny a target of 20 goals next season with the high likelihood that he will play much fewer games.

Rudderpost

Hope that's true he has great potential but needs to develop his game, especially his finishing. 20-30 games sounds about right, he shouldn't me a starter in major games just yet IMO

Gav

I don't think he will play fewer games, he'll command a place.

DodgyBanter

19 Jul 2012 19:43:48
formation out the window. whole heartedly agree syd.

managed to come up with this article might make interesting reading.

please post in banter ed. tried posting earlier, might of made you squeemish lol cause of the length but be grateful if you let it through for being on topic. ta

looked for this after my musing.Manchester United is continuing their pursuit for the young Brazilian midfielder Lucas Moura. However, many Red Devil fans believe Moura is not really the player that Sir Alex Ferguson should be spending his time or money on. Moura is considered more of an attacking midfielder, and many consider defensive midfield
the Red Devils' weakness. Also, Tom Cleverly and Shinji Kagawa provide young skill at the attacking midfield position.
If Manchester United were to let Moura slip through their grasp, he would easily be signed by one of their Premier League rivals and would be used to directly to attack the Red Devils' weakness.
As the deal between Manchester United and Lucas Moura becomes closer and closer to an official signing, here are some reasons why Moura will do well at Old Trafford.
Moura has impressive pace for a central midfielder. His overall speed allows him to get down the field in a hurry and be a threat to opposing defenses. His quick feet give him the shiftiness to weave throughout the defense and into striking distance.
The 19-year-old from Brazil has also shown he is a dual threat. His great vision allows him to spot open teammates, even from across the field. With his incredible leg strength, Moura can send an accurate laser pass to a teammate or a dagger shot to the back of the net. Opposing defenses will have to tightly guard the attacking midfielder and take him
away. He also has the ability to get back on Defence if necessary. His
strength and size allow him to disrupt transitions and take the ball back for his team.
Manchester United has a young team, and Moura would seem to be a good fit for them. He would add to their powerhouse attack. His speed would allow him to move up and down the field, and both his attack and defensive skills would help the Red Devils be more successful in the
midfield.

..constantine..

I dont understand some people they all seem to want quick skillful attacking players then moan when we are linked with them ,phil

19 Jul 2012 19:00:37
sydney Jred red devil fearny no names ect....

how many of you have actually seen enough of lucas play? and im talking a good fair amount of full games? do you know if hes any good with defence? what his exact range of passing is? what does he do when the team is not in possesion?

im not saying hes xavi. all i said was the three of kagawa carrick and moura could be a great midfield.

I think your all a little short sighted on this one :)

and to who said about formations dont matter. true to an extent. but a mans best position is worth thinking about or the strongest eleven. its jut fun mate. take a chill pill.

would love to see this team in some future,

_________________De Gea_________________
Rafeal_____smalling_____jones_________fabio
_______________Martinez_______________
___________Moura_________________
___________________Kagawa__________
Valencia/nani______Rooney_________young/Nani

..constantine..

Personally i'd like to see the midfield 3 of Tunnicliffe, Cole and Lingard, at least given a go in a few games, hopefully we get a few soft cup draws.

I've not seen much of Moura myself, being as Brazilian league is usually only on tv for insomniacs, but i know people who have seen him regular on televised games aand according to them the only player better than Moura that they have seen is Neymar.

From what ive seen and its not enough to have a definite opinion ,he looks a talented lad with great pace.
theres no doubt he could play the xavi / inesta type roles because his got the talent but maybe in a year or 2. the only reason i say a year or 2 is because at 19 i think he would still have a lot to learn.
mourniho went to watch him at the end of the season and said he was a talent but was 12 month away from being ready for europe.

with the talent he has and his age i think in the future he could play were ever he wants across the midfield or up front.
xavi and inesta are both footballers thro and thro and lucas looks to have the same about him
jred

I have seen him play max 3 or 4 times for Sao Paulo and a couple times for Brazil. Have to say I don't think he could play in the centre he would have to play out wide or just in behind the strike... He is asked for them to stay well up the pitch for counter attacks because his pace and trickery is frightening to watch. He has a good range of passing and one hell of a shot. The only problem which can be changed quite easily under fergie is... Once he gets going he tends to keep his head down and not see an obvious pass. This would be quite easily changed and he just needs to learn when to release the ball a bit more... but through time this will come.

fearny

19 Jul 2012 17:54:34
Sydney Im not sure but I concede I havent got much more to say on it. I havent seen him play enough. have you?The only other sense of it is goodbye nani. if Moura is earmarked for the wings.

was hoping to hear from people who have seen him A few times

from what ive read of the boy. playmaker comes up a few times. is it really impossible he could be doing what anderson does? agreed he isnt xavi but the boy really can pass.

still despite the disagrees. i wouldnt be suprised to see kagawa and moura going through the centre. call it a hunch. at least one of the two playing more deeper.
thats if we get him. just musing.

come on you got to admit rooney kagawa lucas nani young linking up makes a good day dream.

but in all probabilities. young being a little predictable would be considered weak link. and moura would be to fill that. meaning it wouldnt crowd out the space petrucci and or lingard could grow to.

..constantine..

Lucas Moura can play anywhere across the front, but would not be wasted in central midfield mate. I think if Lucas is signed it's curtains for Nani. We will have to balance the books and would not need so many widemen in the squad. I imagine Valencia & Young will be our out and out wingers and Lucas & Kagawa who can fill in there if needed would probably play in the hole or right or left side of a front three. The beauty of this is Welbeck, Rooney, Kagawa, Young & Lucas can all play anywhere in attack and they would be a very interchangeable and fluid attack which would be hard for defences to pick-up. Valencia is the only player who would predominantly stick to the right, but he is unplayable at times so we can forgive him for his lack of attacking versatility. To be honest when the whistle is blown our attack when breaking will be everywhere and very hard to pick up. Formation will pretty much go out of the window like it used to be with Rooney, Tevez, Nani & Ronaldo.

Sydney!

Now your talking Syd. glad you said he wouldnt be wasted. at least its considered. agree with the need to balance books and Nani is the most sellable asset apart from Rooney. So it makes sense. but young is predictable as much as i like him. so id like to see nani get a crack at our developing style. Heart more than head

weve been gearing towards an interchangable frontline for a while now. Glad to see it taking shape.

Goodnight folks and have a good weekend

..constantine..

..constantine..

I think you summed it up with this

"come on you got to admit rooney kagawa lucas nani young linking up makes a good day dream.

but in all probabilities. young being a little predictable would be considered weak link. and moura would be to fill that. meaning it wouldnt crowd out the space petrucci and or lingard could grow to"

As Syd said also - it would be an interchangeable front 4 of Rooney up top and say Moura, Kagawa and Valencia (if Nani is sold and Moura bought). With 2 deep lying CM'ers covering behind that front 4 we would be terrifying going forwards

Gav

19 Jul 2012 16:20:49
I would only like to see RVP sign if it was at most a 3 year deal around 150 k a week. I would really like to see Welbeck continue his impressive improvements this season. Also, I think it's ludicrous how many teams posted here are without Tony V! He was/is our most consistant (offensive) player for the past couple of season IMO.

I think this team would be very effective, but it's almost impossible to predict, we have so much depth for different teams.

-----------De Gea---------
-Rafa-Smalls-Vidic-Evra-
----------Carrick----------
------Clevs------Kags-----
-Tony----Rooney----Nani-

Sparty On

19 Jul 2012 15:27:49
Should make m'vila or martinez our main priority,all this talk about moura,he is a winger.too much of a risk for me at that price.Dont want rvp either,would like the centre of midfield sorted out first then talk about signing a striker or left bk.

quinner99

19 Jul 2012 14:44:53
I'll give it one more bash. didnt have many takers yesterday but still I think its worth arguing.

busquets xavi iniesta

carrick moura kagawa

fearny said any such formation with carrick and moura would be too open. not if we were closing down fast without the ball to force mistakes and the back four kept us compact. something for obvious reasons we were unable to do last season and that was without carrick added to the mix who is still underated at regaining possesion.

Carbon copy Barce? no. But the two key elements we got trounced were possession and pressing. Kagawa and Moura can take turns in who goes forward and Moura is even known from starting attacks from deep as is Kagawa. I agree with Mpez that these are not players that will be best utilised starting from the wings. during game theyll pop up there, maybe a few starts but not long term I think.

possession and pressing. if we can do both of these effectively our midfield problems will go away to a large extent with a confident high back line. When we need steel im sure jones and later Tunnecliff will come good. remember a mid with jones actually beat spain. dont write him off.

whats incredible is Nani Moura Kagawa Rooney Welbeck and Young would all be comfortable in any position across the frontline at any given time during the game.

just my humble opinion on why if we get Moura. we might not get another mid. someone to replace fletch maybe like Witzel. but that could be it. Or maybe ed 2's hint dropping at Martinez is worth something?

Modric looks to be going to Madrid. there are rumours that Moutino will end up at Tottenham. Erikson looks like staying at Ajax who else is there? you got to admit things have gone quiet in this respects.

both Moura and Kagawa prefer central roles both are 1st team players once settled in. in the talks where they would be playing would be key to the signing.

apologies for the long one.

..constantine..

Moura wouldn't play in Xavi's position mate.

Sydney!

...............carrick
..........clevs..........kagawa
.....valencia....................moura
....................rooney
jred

If your looking to do high pressing and counter attacks with the current/potential squad for a game against barcelona I would have

---Cleverly--Carrick--Anderson

-Moura-----Rooney------Kagawa


This would have youth,energy and pace in the team with Cleverly and Anderson pressing the ball with Carrick sitting. Moura,Kagawa and Rooneys pace on the counter-attack would scare any team in the world.

fearny

Okay, so let's say we play city with those three in midfield. Are they disciplined enough to stick with Yaya when he gets forward, are they even strong enough to do that? If you have Moura and Kagawa pressing high on Barry & Yaya, you have yourself in the situation where Silva, Aguero etc can come between the lines and do as they like, with just Carrick to cope with. And as for us playing a high line, did we not learn our lesson with Torres (4-1 game against Vida) and Bellamy (4-3 game vs Rio)?

Playing the way you suggest is all good and well when you have the sort of possession and fear factor Barca have. At best we have 5 games a season where we'd enjoy that sort of possession. As Arsenal fans have found out all too often in recent years, pretty football means nothing when you are not even challenging for trophies.

Also, if we brought Moura in, does it mean he and Kagawa HAVE to start EVERY game? Absolutely not, and they wouldn't either. There is not a single player that will start every league game next year. We won't use the same formation in every game either. Even Barca don't use the same formation, if they even have one.

My point is people game way too hung up about where people will play, who will play etc. when Fergie will pick the team and which formation it plays on a game by game basis.

I've always felt that Cleverley has similar qualities to Xavi(although no where near as good yet?). I think Kagawa models his game.on Iniesta then were just missing a Busquets, maybe Witsel? Long term we could have Tunnicliffe, Powell and Lingard.

Shappy

I see the Carrick-Busquets and Kagawa-Iniesta link. But Moura is nothing like Xavi. Cleverly or Scholes would be the Xavi player.

RedDevil19

Honestly can't believe you just compared those players...Moura, Carrick and Kagawa are quality players, but they never could and never will have the depth of understanding with each other that Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta have. Get a grip mate!

Andy

Completely agree with Shappy and RD19.

Cleverley/Scholes - Xavi
Kagawa - Iniesta
Moura/Rooney(hole) - Messi
Carrick/Witsel - Busquets/Yaya.

Sydney!

Sydney I don't think Rooney would like to be referred to as 'hole' ;) haha.

RedDevil19

Firstly ..constantine.. "apologies for the long one" I bet you say that to all the ladies ; 0

Also,I aree with jred, shappy, Syd and RD19 on the positions

Gav

19 Jul 2012 14:28:31
could it be that man utd will be spending a bit more this time. cos united have not come out to be deny all/some of these rumours. also, though the glazers are in for business, once you realise your business is collapsing all you do is reinvest and i guess does the plan the glazers have for united this time around. moreover, remember david gill said its going to be an intersting summer..keep your fingers crossed all hope is not lost yet.

19 Jul 2012 13:53:51
seeing some very odd team formations and selections on here. Valencia as right back? Carrick on his own in midfield with five attackers in front of him? A midfield 3 of carrick, valencia and nani? Banana's all of them. In some games we'll play a 433 like last night with the higher pressing and in some games we'll play a 442 or a 4411

Totally agree mate, hate these formations with wingers in CM or at FB. Or even Rooney in a midfield 2 I saw the other day! Play players to their strengths and see what they can do, it's as easy as that

Gav

19 Jul 2012 13:43:47
D.D.G

smalling vidic ferdinand

scholes

valencia moura

rooney kagawa
R.V.P
Instead of paying hgh for a l.b , y dont we just leave evra out and play 3 at the back?
i raather have 3 defenders than a defense of 4 with evra. valencia rm moura lm
rooney n kagawa playing as attacking mids behing r.v.p?

thoughts?

Lol. The short answer is because we'd get torn apart. Especially when playing Paul 'can't tackle to save his life' Scholes in front of them...

T0MB0Z

I dont think scholes on his own in centre mid will work well against most midfields, as he doesn't have the stamina of old.

I can see poor Scholes' legs flailing right now...

We'd win some games 10-0 but possibly lose others 8-2 so a bit risky perhaps!

Gav

19 Jul 2012 12:42:46
AVB has confirmed that Spurs ''are in ongoing talks with 3 clubs'' about Modric. Ourselves, PSG, Madrid, Chelsea and City have been linked with him. So which 3 of the 5 clubs do you think are in talks with Spurs?

About last night, It's obvious Berbatov oozes class but he slows our play down so much and he loses the head if you dont put the ball exactly where he wants it. I think at 5m, He's a bargain and i doubt he'll still be with us at the start of the season.

Blackett looked nervous, Maybe a couple of seasons in the Championship and it will really improve his game. Tunners looked good, I really think he will make it as a regular at United, Whats your opinion of him? Lingard impressed me aswell. Thoughts?

Dylan

PSG, Madrid and Chelsea.

T0MB0Z

It's United, PSG and RM.

Chelsea and City are not speaking to Spurs.

Sydney!

19 Jul 2012 12:47:13
I'd say we need to sell Hernandez, I think welbeck is a much better striker, keep Berbatov as he is a proven goal scorer, so basically have 4 strikers of Welbeck, Rooney, Berbatov and a with the money from the Hernandez sale maybe look at players such as Huntelaar. I'd also get rid of Young I don't think he is as good as Nani and Valencia, and now with kagawa with have a good selection of wingers, maybe instead of attacking options we should look towards beefing up the midfield with signings such as Moura maybe even looking at fellanini, nocerrino from AC, players that are tough and have experience to help our young midfield talent develop.

chinners

Hernandez will never be as good as Welbeck Rooney etc. as his general game isn't good enough. We won't sell him though unless a significant offer comes in as he is a very reliable goal scorer and sometimes that is all you need. He has scored many vital goals for us already so there is no point in trying to replace that, especially when he is so young.

Welsh Dragon

Why on earth would you sell Hernandez to buy a less capable player like Huntelaar? Or keep a player like Berbatov who suits our style much less?

I can't understand why people want to sell Hernandez. He didn't do as well in his 2nd season as his 1st, but that's common for players. 3rd season he'll be back with a bang.

People need to learn some patience...

DarkLard08

19 Jul 2012 12:15:14
Expecting a 41million euro bid for Moura, as per reports.

If so, formations.

4-4-1-1(4-1-3-1-1)

De Gea

Evra - Smalling Vidic - Jones
Carrick
Moura -Kagawa- Valencia
Rooney-
Welbeck

De Gea

Evra - Smalling Vidic - Jones
Carrick
Nani - Moura - Valencia
Kagawa-
Rooney

Both would be far to open....

maybe 4-3-2-1

or-4-2-3-1

or 4-3-1-2

fearny

Carrick isn't good enough for those formations. We'd need to bring in a midfielder who can tackle as well as intercept the ball or risk leaving our defense wide open...

T0MB0Z

T0MB0Z, completely agree, Witsel would be better in that position or even better would be Carrick and Witsel together in a 4-(2)-3-1.

Sydney!

19 Jul 2012 11:47:01
personally i don't want van persie, too old, too injury prone, too expensive and not a fan of his attitude and also don't see where he'd fit in. However he would shut up some of the negative nigel's on here. But i'd much prefer a centre mid or two.

No name - Very good comment.

19 Jul 2012 11:19:46
Eds, it looked to me as if we were playing a 4-3-1-2 formation last night. Do you think that that is the formation that will be deployed for most of this season? if it is then i will be really disappointed because that would leave top players like nani and valencia struggling to fit due to there being no width in the formation.

Ozzy {Ed002's Note - I have no idea about or interest in formations. Other no doubt do.}

Nope we were playing 433

Mike

Mike... We definaetly didn't play 4-3-3 it was either

-----GK-----
RB-CB-CB-LB
-CM-CM-CM
-----AM----
---ST-ST---

OR

-----GK-----
RB-CB-CB-LB
-----CM-----
---CM--CM--
----CF/AM-----
----ST-ST---

fearny

Fearny, isn't that first team you put basically 433. I'd say the way we played is most like 433 than anything else to be honest. I think we're more likely to see a 4231 when Kagawa starts.

Welsh Dragon

We played 4 at the back three in the middle and three up front - sounds like a 433 to me :)
Just because one may be coming a bit deeper doesn't change that.

Mike

19 Jul 2012 10:47:08
why do people want rvp he is not good for united and he going to get injured this season all the time

19 Jul 2012 10:22:24
How about a cheeky bid for Marcelo of Real Madrid. Considering they have another quality left back in Coentrao, and if they manage to capture modric for a reported 30 million with their financial state a cheeky bid might be tempting for them to sell.

19 Jul 2012 09:41:54
I take it not many of you agreed with me last night when I said we could turn Blackett into a Yaya Toure type player but hear me out.

He is very strong and powerful and has alot of energy, He is quick for a big player and is confident on the ball. I am not sure how good his passing is as he is a left back but then Yaya is hardly Scholes.

I am not saying he shouldn't play as a left back but I think he would be a great holding mid next to someone like Cleverly or Carrick. I could just picture him smashing through players in the middle of the pitch and supplying Kagawa with the ball to let the forwards do the work.

1redarmy

I agreed.

Caolán.

Thank you haha

1redarmy

Personally, I think we lost our Yaya to Juventus

Gar

19 Jul 2012 08:54:17
banter please ed,

im sure fergie will try more formations as the tour goes on, but assuming he plays what he did today (4-3-1-2) this is the team i would select against everton

DDG
Valencia Rio Vidic Evra
Clevs Carrick Kagawa
Lucas
RVP Rooney


personally i dont think we should sign van persie, i think that money should go towards keeping nani and then playing 4-2-3-1 with the same personnel but nani in for rvp
OZRED

I see were you are coming from but valenica is not a RB, he has slotted in there and done a decent job but running at defenders and putting decent balls into the box is what he's good at.

My line up would be

DDG
Raf Rio Vidc Evra
DM
Valencia Nani/Young
Kagawa
RVP Rooney

Diamond formation- i would rather have a DM as i dont think carrick is good enough defensively to do that job - someone who doesnt cross the half way line and breaks up the play - too many times last season our midfield was overrun and missing.

Giants14

Have Nani as a striker? No.

Where in that formation would Valencia and Young fit? Kagawa wasted there and I think putting Valencia at RB in that formation is wasting him.

I think we will get a better idea of the formation Fergie plans to use when Rooney and Co get back on this tour. Even on saturday when Valencia is in the team.

1redarmy

1 redarmy
I clearly stated if we didn't sign rvp we would play nani in a 4-2-3-1 we means no Nani will not be playing as a striker. Kagawa would excell in that position mate!
I do not rate young at all he is a squad player at best and he would fit as back up for lucas. Or easily Kagawa drops out 4-4-1-1

19 Jul 2012 08:06:37
man utd did spend 28 and 29 m pounds to get ferdinand andd veron that too 10 or 11 years ago. so i think it fergie shouldnt back out for lucas moura.
he is talented and would be a great addition

That shows you how big both them transfers where
jred

19 Jul 2012 07:32:21
I think its safe to say Lingard is some sort of an iniesta.someone asked here asked whether he'd play as a striker or on the wing before the game,but dont you think he should be developed to play the position he played yesterday?spearhead of a midfield 3?

bk7

Yes couldn't agree more he had a great performance last night!

19 Jul 2012 03:39:31
No fresh paper talk regarding Moura but the mirror are claiming that SAF has told friends that a deal for RVP is done. With him being spotted looking for houses a while back I'm now wondering whether SAF's 'one definite signing was RVP rather than Baines and the 'maybe' signing was Moura.

Not sure if I'd be too happy about signing RVP. Great player but he's only had one outstanding season and is no spring chicken. The prices flying around for him also worry me. I'm also confused by another striker being signed unless Kagawa and/or Moura (if he signs) will be played on the wing? Both of them are best suited to the CAM role - so I don't see how all 3 potential new signings (RVP/Kagawa/Moura) would start when Rooney (our best player is also on the pitch). There's also the matter of cdm/cm which needs addressing.

I can see four possible formations -

1.
----------gk---------------
rb-----cb----cb----------lb
Moura----cm---cm--Kagawa
-------Rvp-----Rooney-----

- which would lessen the effectiveness of Kagawa and Moura and would probably severely weaken Tony's chances of making the team due to his complete lack of versatility.

2.
----------------gk------------------
rb--------cb-----------cb---------lb
----------------cdm----------------
---------Moura------Kagawa--------
Tony--------Rooney/Rvp---------Nani

- which is my personal favourite but would definitely require a new cdm and would mean that one of our 3 new signings wouldn't be playing (Rooney could swap with either Moura or Kagawa).

3.
----------------gk------------------
rb----------cb------------cb------lb
-------------cm-----cm-------------
--------Moura---------Kagawa------
------------------Rooney------------
----------RVP-----------------------

-which would certainly pack a punch but leaves us without wingers (and effectively renders Tony useless).

4.
-----------------gk-------------------
rb-----------cb---------cb----------lb
-----------------cdm-----------------
Tony---------------------------Kagawa
----------------Moura-----------------
---------Rooney------RVP-------------

- which again would probably require a cdm but would leave Nani as a viable replacement for either wing and Young for the CAM or LW role.

Of course there's a chance that neither RVP or Moura will sign - but yeah. Thoughts?

T0MB0Z

Would have to be Moura or RVP, not both IMO. Kagawa needs to play central as that is his position and where he works his magic.

____Carrick___Witsel
TonyV___Kagawa___Moura
________Rooney

Sydney!

18 Jul 2012 23:08:11
Quick question, do the rest of the 1st team who aren't in South Africa fly out to meet the rest of the squad in China? Or is the current tour squad doing both South Africa and China?

First team joins in Scandinavia for barca I think

The first team is set to join up with the current tour squad on either the 27th or 28th July to play the friendlies of Valarenga (5th), Barcelona (8th) and Hannover 96 (11th)

fearny