Manchester United Banter Archive July 19 2013

 

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19 Jul 2013 22:43:46
DM's first signing RB Varela to go on a seasons long loan at Boca Juniors! Quite exciting for me as I always catch a few Boca games when in Argentina. Very physical league and ideal learning for the Prem!

Fred the red

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Would gain good experience especially the intense rivalry w/ River Plate.

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19 Jul 2013 22:57:30
I wouldn't be surprised to see us pay over the odds for Fabregas.

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Then so be it, we need to compete financially.

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What would you class as over the odds though as I have always rated him and he seems to perform better in the premier league probably given that he has less time on the ball etc. I think anything less than £35 million is an okay deal. Some people seem to forget how old he is because he has been round for so long.

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You pay what it takes to get the best players. Simple. People questioned the price we paid for RVP (considering age, injury record etc) but what a first season he had. I'd pay 35mill for Fabregas, - question is does he fancy a move and do Barca want to sell? I'm not convinced of either.

BennyBlanco

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Utd has such a desperate need for a midfielder of his quality, we could pay £50 mill for him and it would still be a bargain.

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£35m and I'd be very very happy.

Brendan81

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19 Jul 2013 22:44:26
Is it just me, or does the Modric link leave you less than excited?

Chief

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The same link last season left a lot of people excited Chief. He's hardly deteriorated over the course of 1 season at Madrid. Similarly folk on here were crying out for Dembele before he ended up at Spurs last summer. Truth is we all (myself included) get excited about who the media portray as current targets. I for one would welcome Modric in a heartbeat, simply because he's a country mile better than the pile of sh**e we currenly have.

BennyBlanco

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Modric is not "the best in the world" that our new manager has told us we are looking to buy

I would be notably dissatisfied with Modric and so should we all if we have aspirations to be the top team in our league or Europe

I explained several days ago about why I feel that way about Modric and actually today will add that I would prefer Fellaini over him and I don't think he is top level either. We appear to be chasing Fabregas and that is the level we should look at, it is a level well above Modric

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Modric is a great player. I would be over the moon!

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Look how excited people were getting about strootman, who on earth would put him in a world IX? People on here were creaming themselves over him but he wasn't even that stand out at PSV, ask their fans. Modric is twice the player strootman is, albeit a different one, he's just old news on here now.
Snakey

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19 Jul 2013 22:15:03
I know he has already come out and said he won't move this year, but what about testing Dortmund with a bid for Gungodan. I'm all for Fabregas, but do we really need him? if they will cost around the same amount, why not a player that can break up the play, run with the ball and has an eye for a pass? Last season he was one of, if not the main player that broke up Citys and Madrids play in the CL

Fagan

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I stopped reading when you said 'do we really need Fabregas'.

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Would be my perfect signing for midfield. I'm not holding my breath.

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But with kagawa linking midfield and attack, from memory, that's where fabregas plays yes? So surely he's a luxury

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He is a fantastic player Fagan I totally agree, but can't see Dortmund parting with him. Just go to their homepage - he's plastered all over it. Not that it means much of course, but I think he's settled at Dortmund.! I'm sure Moyes, who's a big fan of German football knows all about him. (or should do anyway). Would love to see both him AND Fabregas at Utd - but I can't see it happening. Something tells me we may be underwhelmed by who we actually get. Ideally we'd have sewn up our big name signings by now-if for no other reason only to give them a full pre season with us. So why hasn't it happened? Yes, some on here will say that transfers are complicated etc. but the likes of Bayern Real Chelsea and City seem to get things done fairly quickly. I'm not saying we won't add to the squad we have, i'm just worried by the glaring fact that we are bidding for players who are not available for transfer.

BennyBlanco

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Utd need both. if it takes £100 million to make it happen then its money well spent. of course, its not my cash so why should I care what they cost :)

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No fab and kags play totally different roles mate, kags plays as a Advanced playmaker where as Fabregas is the Carrick replacement we really need with him now in he's 30's

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19 Jul 2013 22:14:12
moysies next presser he will announce" we have made a �25 million bid for messi", "ed is dealing with the details", hopefully there will be some good news regargding transfers very soon, and"manchester united will always be linked with tge biggest players", smile, eye bulge and exit. {Ed007's Note - Sounds like a WWE segment, especially the 'eye bulge'}

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Mick, it will be a straight swap nani for Messi. And barca throwing in Fabregas in the deal. Always linked with the best players!
Nomidfield

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19 Jul 2013 22:05:44
If the fabregas deal doesn't come off
then who else could we go for?
Any ideas

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Modric?, gundogan, Herrera, de marcos, Kondogbia, fellaini, Veratti, Pastore, one of the benders!, cabaye, Mascherano (could do a job), even young players like Barkley, plenty of fish in the sea and not just the current red top names.

Supasub

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So these are the Marquee signings we are meant to be after.

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None of the above are in same class?

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19 Jul 2013 21:32:39
Rivalries are put aside during sad times. Today the football community lost a true legend and a gentleman. A man who stood for courage, loyalty and honour. A man who even before he doned the gloves had proven his worth more times than most of us do in a life time. A man who had seen the horrors of war, a man who came to settle in a foriegn country. A man who because of his heritage was forced to prove himself many more times than he should have. And this man still remained graceous in spite of it all. A man who put his health on the line for his team, a man who risked paralisis at a time when very little could be done for you if it occured. He played the last 17 minutes of the FA cup final with a broken neck for his team mates, for his fans and for his love of the game.

So we all bow our heads at the news of your passing, and we salute you Bert Trautmann. May you rest in peace and your loved ones find comfort from their memories of you.

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Hear hear

togthered

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Nicely put Shappy!
RIP
Karlmarx

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Couldn't possibly have written it so eloquently.

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Rip bert trautmann
Singh

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Well said Shappy, (and in less than 15 pages) ;-)
Red Spark

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Shappy

I salute you sir

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Superbly put shappy

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Well done shappy. Condolences to his family. A true gentleman.
Nomidfield

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19 Jul 2013 21:00:43
Lad's, 48 hours to look forward to? Getting more optimistic about Fabregas? I think his style of play is made for us if we can keep him injury free. After that we need a m/f enforcer, a left winger and a replacement for Rooney who clearly wants out! If the deal for Mata was really an option, I'd snap Chelsea's hand off.

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19 Jul 2013 20:59:03
Why is moyes getting so much abuse? IMO he clearly has identified that central midfield is the weakest part of the side and has gone all out to address that problem. The players who have been targeted are world class without a doubt and even if the weakest (fellani) out of the players linked is the one signed then he will still improve the midfield compared to Anderson/cleverly.

Rochdale fan by the way. I just enjoy football talk

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I agree Fellaini is the weakest out the players linked but Fabregas is not world class, he very rarely played 90mins, never cemented a place at arsenal never mind Barca, wake up people, he only worth around 20-25m t most not 40m reported,
Sweinsteiger, ozil, mata. these are world class players,

SuperRed

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19 Jul 2013 21:34:57
A millwall fan would figure that out!

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Fabregas "never cemented a place at Arsenal"?

What alternate universe are you posting from?

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I disagree. Fabregas is one of a handful of world class midfielders in the world.

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Fabregas never cemented a place in Arsenal? He was the captain mate! Please do some research before talking. And if Fabregas was not world class then Barcelona wouldn't have gone through a 3 year transfer saga just to sign him.

THE SHINING KNIGHT

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Stevie wonder could of identified our midfield needed sorting

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Super red,

Are you on drugs?

Fabregas was the first name on the teamsheet at Aresnal. He is a very talented player and would vastly improve our midfield.

Mad Hatter

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Ok I take back back about arsenal as he did do well between 07-10 seasons but if Fabregas is so good, why didn't he cement his place at barca?oh hold on there was two world class players whom are better even at they're age in iniesta and xavi. dnt get me wrong he's a good player and I think he'd improve our squad, but ya see I consider world class players as players like zidane, ronaldhino, ronaldo, messi, scholes, roberto Carlos, christiano ronaldo, Pirlo schmeichal, raul, van nistlerooy, etc all world class players, carrick or fabregas eh No!

SuperRed

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Super red are talking about the same guy that used to be arsenal captain and played the most minutes of any barca player last season. He is a great player who I for 1 would love to see in are team.

Robbie b

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Annoying when people mention attacking midfielders like ozil and mata when we're talking about central midfielders.

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Sorry Robbie, messi, alba, piqué, xavi all had more minutes on the pitch than fabregas last season. look don't get me wrong I think fabregas is a very good player, and I think he'd be a very good addition to our squad, better than what we have at the moment, although kagawa needs to show his worth this coming season and I hope he shines too. I just don't think fabregas is in the
world class bracket as yet and i'm all up to get him but I wouldn't like utd to
over pay for him, barca correct me if I'm wrong paid 35m for him, let's pay 25-30m for him and see how he fits in,

SuperRed

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Superred, why do you care how much utd pay for him?

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What are u on about, out of all the ones u mentioned, only Xavi is in direct competition with Fabregas, and we all know Xavi is one if the best in the world, so of course Fabregas wasn't going to get as much game time as he should.
He is in the top five midfielders in the world, and apart from Carrick and kagawa, we don't seem to possess any other decent midfielder.
Nomidfield

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SuperTed, ridiculous statement followed by backtracking followed by saying we should spend £20-25M on him - clearly below his market value!

You sound like a tool

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20 Jul 2013 14:05:23
@john Denton. Sir Alex didn't get round to it.

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19 Jul 2013 20:58:44
Have to say I'm getting very impatient, what are utd playing at?City have signed four players already!All we keep doing is miss out, not looking good my fellow Red Devils!

SuperRed

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If you're so concerned about who City are singing go and support them.

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City have signed many players for a lot of money, and they all seem pretty talented. But do they really come across as that much better than last season? Negredo for Tevez? And where are all of these midfielders playing? Silva, Fernandinho, Navas, Toure, Nasri, Rodwell, etc. I think they spent 100 mil and got only slightly better, if that. Hopefully we can spend our 100 mil on Bale and Cesc and improve dramatically. (Also, please don't waste money on Baines or a CB. We have three LBs i'm content with and our CB position looks set for a decade with three quality youngsters (Jones, Smalling, Evans) to take over when Vidic and Rio move on. As much as I have been screaming for United to spend, it would be absurd to throw money away when it isn't necessary. ANd it leaves more money to throw at problem areas we do have. (World class attacker, and a CM who can get forward better than Carrick but can also do his role defensively)

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Agreed KG. Though I have to tell you that Navas is a superb winger and will cause havoc. In addition, fernandinho is a very under rated player, along with yaya and silva, they will be the best midfield trio in the PL by far.
Nomidfield

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Do we really think we will spend 100mill? I will be very surprised if we do

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19 Jul 2013 20:39:15
Oh well another week nearly over, and still no players in, this is getting worrying

Alex Fergusons Condom

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19 Jul 2013 20:19:10
A lot of frustration by a lot of posters with our lack of activity while others are a lot more relaxed about it.
Personally I do think signings will be made eventually but I do think they need to be sooner rather than later in order to aytract other signings.
We think that the prospect of playing for manchester united should be enough to tempt top players but things don't work like that anymore with the odd exception.
My point is that we are in a position we haven't been in for over 25yrs and a lot of people and players will be looking to see whether this is the end of an era and with no SAF can we still attract the best players. Iv no doubt myself and the majority of united fans have no doubt we can but I feel a big signing is needed soon not just to improve us but to show fans and other potential targets that we are a club that still has the pulling power.
I know its about the team not individuals but if you were a player you would want to be playing with the best and I don't think many would be getting excited about playing with cleverley, welbeck, young, valencia etc.
Im not disrespecting those players ability but just an opinion of how potential targets may view it and I think we need to make a statement signing soon.
Sorry for long post

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Long post? Let me introduce you to Shappy

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It looked like an essay when I wrote in on my phone haha

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19 Jul 2013 20:06:22
I must say, there is a lot of negativism on this forum (mostly from anonymous posters). And some times I just hope supporters from other clubs does not read it, cause its embarrassing! I am not going to debate about Rooney, Fabregas, Ronaldo/Bale or Sneijder. I have some questions about Ed Woodward. I does not know much about him, and I was rather amazed today, when on the official homepage was standing "David Moyes has confirmed Manchester United are in negotiations to sign midfielder Cesc Fabregas from Barcelona". Is this Moyes way of doing business, or Woodwards? (or both?). It is also kinda strange, with this "unlimited transfer kit" quote, which I today does not know if real or not.

So, the questions:

1. Is this some way of transfer tactics? Cause, on the outside, they look rather foolish (if they try to get their targets, and doesn't). Is it because they are working with other transfers?

2. Would Moyes say that, if it was for real, that Barca have rejected the offer? I mean, they have to have some kind of negotiation ongoing, since he said that?

Reading my post again, I don't know what my real point is. Hope you get it, and can shred some light on it. What is your thought (s)?

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Things do seem to have been handled oddly regarding transfers.
Moyes saying he doesn't talk about other clubs players then contradicts himself by confirming we bid for cesc.
Woodward apparentlt saying we had unlimited funds was taken out of context I think. Its more likely we have no set transfer kitty rather than an unlimited one.
They are both new to their roles and working together so I hope its just a case of that.
What does worry me though is why ed woodward was in australia on a football tour instead of being in england available to work on targets or whatever

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What? ;-)

Red Spark

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BFA, lol. I made the same point. It was ridiculed as apparently you can negotiate transfers by email from anywhere in the world

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AJH
well whoever ridiculed it needs to look at it like this.
If you were a player and 2 clubs were after you of similar stature paying similar wages and one chief exec met you in person etc and the other would prefer to mingle with the players trying to get noticed in asia and australia where would you feel wanted more?
Exactly

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Ajh and Steffen, you are right, of course communication is great these days, but Woodward should never have gone on tour for a jolly. He needs to be here and ready to go wherever he has to negotiate with other clubs.
We can't buy players on the phone, the negotiations are complex and have to be done face to face.
Apart from money, I'm not even sure what our team are doing there! This will not be the ideal preparation for the new season.
Nomidfield

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19 Jul 2013 19:38:20
So let me get this right, barca are after a world class cb and need money to cover the neymar deal and we want fabregas so wouldn't it be logical to offer vidic and cash for him, especially if we are bringing in garay

19JackC94

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Been saying tht for ages dude

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Get rid of club captain and our best CB. Grow up kids.

Adam

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Kids! I would love to meet some of the gobby people on here face to face! I'm pretty sure he didn't play much last season and we still won the league. I'm also pretty sure he's in his 30s and I'm also pretty sure jones is more thn ready to take his place. i'm also sure to be a captain you've got to be on the pitch but yeah nice comment kid

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19 Jul 2013 19:26:08
Am I the only one getting worried that we might not sign any top class players? Rooney will not perform as he doesn't want to be here, and now after the saga, I don't want him. We need a fresh attacker, creative midfielder, consistent winger and then I'll be happy

Mather

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19 Jul 2013 19:12:33
I assume, and tbh unless you know the inner sanctum of MUFC transfer dealings most of us assume, Moyesee did not really want Alcantara or Strootman. He can do nothing right in some peoples eyes. The fact he is pushing for targets suggest he is taking control. good news imo. How do we know they are not available and won't come if he does not try. Tactically it is also interesting, as others do to us, cause it creates uncertainty in the squad and with the fans. Just look at the self professed one at Chelski.

I was disappointed we did not get Alcantara however he chose another club or Moyesee did not try that hard. Got to trust Moyesee, he will know what we need and will do the right thing. Yes it maybe a long drawn out saga but he will improve the squad and he will sort the Rooney situation.

I will love the guy if we get Fabregas, like him a lot if we bet Baines and will understand if he plumps for Fellaini as a last minute addition.

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19 Jul 2013 18:43:11
When will Tom Thorpe go through to the first team.

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19 Jul 2013 18:33:42
Thiago - lost out to bayern although moyes said in a interview he never was really a op target as he doubted his ability to play in premier league according to some reports
Cesc - “non-transferrable” according to barca president
Bale-no way tottenham will sell their top man to rival, especially after the berbatov transfer last time
Ronaldo - never really going to happen after a couple of interviews I think it came clear he was waiting for better RM contract

Doesn't seem like marquee Signing will happen as thinks stands really hope thinks change
But this is football we never know what's going to happen

Who do you guys think we will sign before end of window

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Typical, when United say Rooney is not for sale, people say he going to be sold, yet when Barca say Cesc is nontransferable, those same people say the deal has no chance of happening. So fickle.

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19 Jul 2013 18:41:51
Marquinhos signs for PSG on five year deal.

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Not United related but did anyone else read that PSG have told Barcelona to stop trying to unsettle their players because they're rich enough to trigger Messi's 215 million release clause & move him to Paris to show them what it feels like! Made me grin!

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Well that was a short lived rumour! Seems a lot for a young defender.

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19 Jul 2013 17:23:42
Its being reported that Tito Villanova has had a second tumor relapse and is leaving Barcelona.

Wish him well in his recovery.

REDFAITH

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19 Jul 2013 17:40:02
Sadly it appears Tito Villanove may be leaving Barca tonight at a press conference 19. 30 BST due to recurrence of illness if so

Good luck Tito

On the other hand let's hope its something trivial like United have bought Fabregas

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Well said Pardoe.

Barca have been very classy as a club standing by and supporting Tito. They've given him every chance and presumably he has made the call that he needs to step away from the limelight to get himself healthy. Good. Luck to him.

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19 Jul 2013 17:35:53
No signing today as we were told earlier this week. Don't worry, there will be a signing tomorrow! Oh him tomorrow is Saturday, so no signing till Monday. Just a minute, David Moyes not here for another two weeks, so no signing next week or the week after!
Then it is august and half of Europe is on shutdown, so no signings then, unless they're in PL.
Can u see where this is leading? We will wait till end of august then sign fellaini and baines and that will be that.
Frustrated.

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19 Jul 2013 17:25:56
Although I hope there is news regarding signings soon there is one good thing in having Moyes as manager and doing our transfers.

At least we might actually have a reason to take interest in deadline day.

MEF

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Weren't Berba and Rooney both signed on TDD?

Ozwald

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Yes they were but it gets boring when we only do something every 4 years or so on it lol.

MEF

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19 Jul 2013 17:09:01
Just thought i'd share what Ed001 said on the Barca page. Please don't give the eds any abuse about it if you disagree.

{Ed001's Note - if the right offer comes in, Barca will let him go to fund other moves. Difficult to say if anyone will pay enough or not. As things stand it is unlikely, but United and/or Arsenal might not be able to get other targets and so have to meet the price to get someone in. }

If this is the case we sound really desperate.

J J

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Maybe that's because 3 or 4 years we have been really desperate

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Not desperate, just there are few midfielders out there that are available and good enough for United, no point buying a player that isn't of top top quality.

Ozwald

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Theres been plenty of quality midfielders out there moving clubs over the last 3 seasons unfortunately we didn't see it important enough even though the paying public could see it week in week out. now I think were panicking a bit

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19 Jul 2013 15:54:22
Freddie Veseli has joined Ipswich on a two year deal.
John Cofie Joined Barnsley on a one year deal.
Thoughts?

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We released them didn't we?

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Yeah we did. Just filling where the lads ended up Ste.
Just interested in the players themselves. Whether we should have kept them or not.

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Not sure about Cofie but Veseli wasn't released! He was quite highly regarded but chose to leave, baffled me. Think he just doesn't like Manchester!

Ozwald

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Say him play a few times for reserves/u21, s to be honest didn't think he would make it
johndenton

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19 Jul 2013 15:53:21
I have a feeling that we will bid on players but not actually sign any. Also that Rooney will leave the club at last minute if the right offer comes in. I don't think we can afford to loose any of our players we need to build but I have a horrible feeling that won't happen. What are everyone's thoughts about who you think we will sign and also who you think we need to sign. Tully

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Agree we have been bidding last few years for players that the club now they can't get maybe its to pacify the fans then come start of season they say at least we tried

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19 Jul 2013 15:10:46
Gonna stick my neck out and say I think our probable ins this summer will be Baines, Garay, Fabregas, Fellaini. Our worthwhile outs will be Rooney, Evra and Nani, along with trying to get some spare change for Bebe, Macheda etc.

We will get £30m for Rooney, £8-10m for Nani and £4-5m for Evra, total £42m ish. Then Baines will be £16m, Garay £18m, Fabregas £33m ish, Fellaini £23.5m, total £90.5m. I think we will also look at a young player of some sort, but not sure who, possibly Kondogbia.

We have said Rooney isn't for sale but I'm sure he is, we just want the best price. Same with Nani, there has been talk of a contract but I think it might be United trying to squeeze every penny out of a transfer. We'd prefer £8. 5 or £9m to £8m, so if we can do anything to get extra we will.

We also have Januzaj, Powell and Zaha who look like very good players so I'm not sure we will go for any more forward players, as it may impede their development in the coming year or two.

I would be quite happy with a 4231 with the players above strengthening us. Usual GK and RB, Vid and Garay, Baines, Carrick and Fellaini, then we'd have Zaha, Valencia, Januzaj who could play on the right hand side. Fabregas, Kagawa and even Fellaini who could play number 10, and Kagawa, Young and Welbeck available on the left. Up top we have RVP, Hernandez, Welbeck, Zaha and Henriquez.

I would prefer another proven striker but if we are only playing one up front most of the time, we would struggle to convince someone to come I think along with the players we already have fighting for that one place. Maybe if it was an older striker or a very young one maybe, but probably not one who wants to play very regularly. We'll just give Welbeck shooting practice.

I could be completely wrong, but this is what I think may happen.

Brendan81

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I'm not confident of all that happening but I'd certainly be happy with a summer along those lines (although I'd prefer others over Fellaini).

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Your right, you are prob completley wrong, your aware of todays "not for sale sign"hung around cescs kneck aren't you, and this is barca a club owned by the fans where the chair has to be voted in, so they wouldn't come out so strongly if it wasnt true, keep trying though its really interesting to read endless rehashing of peoples guesses of who out of all the paper guff is going to be playing at OT next season.

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Thought nani is getting a new contract?

SPB

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19 Jul 2013 17:40:14
Mick I think that's why barca are saying the things they are. They can sell at top whack and say to the fans we wanted to keep him but the offer was to good to turn down and then buy the top class centre back they need to appease the fans.

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SFB I mentioned about Nani's contract in my first post.

Mick, Barca will say he isn't for sale like we are Rooney, as I also said in my first post. I do think he is coming though.

HB I would rather someone other than Fellaini too but this is just what I think, it would be different if this was my wishlist of players :-) but Fellaini is quite versatile so could be useful to us.

Brendan81

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Fair enuf, well done bren for not takin offence, I like to have a bit of sarchasm in my posts, I will read your posts with more ferver in the future my son.

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I should think so too Mick ;-)

Brendan81

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19 Jul 2013 14:46:43
Right I'm sick of seeing us constantally linked with people only to see them move else where or be told there not for sale.

We have been told we have no budget so let's make the most of it and go all out.

Let's forget about going for baines and give fabio and buttner a chance to show off. I believe that garay should be brought in as additional cover.

Now midfield. I would love to see someone like marchisio gundogan or verratti come in to bring abit more class and control to our midfield that we where aiming for with thiago.

We also need that Roy keane type midfielder who can add some steel to our midfield. We need that type of player who people would be afraid to come up against and would go into battle and get a few red cards and the stand out name there would be fellani with such others as bender (s) pogba Vidal and possibly de Rossi.

Also we need that danger coming in front the wings. Apart from cr and bale all I could think of who'd I'd want would be el shawarray lamela draxler or Sanchez in that order.

Would be expensive but what would it matter when we've got no budget, would love to love what any if the eds, Syd or any if the other regulars think to this

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Not sure I'd be too keen on El Sharaawy as he's only really effective when played centrally and we already have RVP and Kagawa.

Any two of Draxler, Lamela and Sanchez would work well although I don't see us coughing up the £30m needed for Draxler nor spending £20m-£25m each on the other two. Could see us signing one of them though.

I'd like to see Lars Bender coming in for the cdm type player and would settle for De Rossi if he could be signed for around the £15m mark. Pogba would never come back, nor would the club go for him and I can't see Sven Bender or Vidal being sold. Unfortunately my money is on us signing Fellaini.

In terms of a controlling midfielder I doubt any of the three you mention would be available although would love any of them to be signed if it were somehow possible. There aren't really many creative controlling midfielders out there and fewer still who might be available.

My guess all in all is that we'll end up signing Modric, Fellaini, Baines, Garay and POSSIBLY Sanchez or Lamela. They'd cost us somewhere in the region of £100m with a net spend of £50m-£60m (offset by selling Rooney £30m, Nani £10m and Anderson £8m for around £45m).

In honesty I'd rather we just went for either Bale (£50m-£60m) or Ronaldo (£60m-£70m) - but as they're not available; Draxler (£30m), Gundogan (£25m), Lamela (£20m) and L. Bender (£20m) for approximately the same spend would be incredible - but we wont.

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Would be happy with baines, verrati and draxler, I think we can win the cl with those signings.

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19 Jul 2013 14:40:07
I can understand why Thiago would not come to United but Strootman? We should of signed him first week of transfer and now it's the 3rd week. I thought he doesn't mention players under contracts but talks of Fabregas? Don't get me wrong, I have faith in Moyes but you can't deny being a bit disappointed.

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19 Jul 2013 14:27:54
Everyone seems to be taking this Spanish newspapers comments over cesc as gospel so that means there is no deal at all. But you can never rely on a paper for absolute truth. Also I'd say every player has a price and fabregas certainly isn't adored at barca. I'd say its more of a possibility than thiago coming was. I think we'll make two signings of real intent this window and Rooney will stay

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Dream on

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What should I dream on about?

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19 Jul 2013 16:43:14
Why would Rooney stay? He wants to leave and no one at the club who counts wants to keep him.

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Cesc arriving and Rooney staying

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19 Jul 2013 14:23:14
The transfer window has been frustrating so far but the media links us with so many players. Moyes and his team must have a few plans on players who they can bring in as alternatives, and will help if they have champs league experience.

All we need is DM and a LW and we are all set:

DM: Khedira, Gustavo (both these players not guaranteed 1st team) if all else fails why not Fellaini (brings something different and can help for set pieces)

LW: Di Maria (again not guaranteed to start), Draxler (will cost a bit but huge potential)

If Rooney stay he needs to drop into midfield and let Kagawa play behind RVP.

We have a history of winning trophies and always frustrate fans in the window, but we will come out strong with all guns blazing.

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Khedira or Gustavo + Draxler or Lamela would be a fantastic window but we desperately need a left back as well, one who can actually defend.

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19 Jul 2013 16:48:30
Rooney can't play midfield he's not good enough for midfield

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Lamela over Di Maria and you've got a great summer.

Mick

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19 Jul 2013 14:22:31
I hope we can all see how important it is to keep hold of Rooney. Who would we replace him with?? No 1 probz, this is all starting to get a little embarrassing for us. Where meant to be the best. City/chel/pool have got who they wanted. There still quality out there. What about these
Erickson
Salvio
Bernard

??!
There must be sumthing big there working on

Marm

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I used to be a massive fan of Rooneys but the man's ego and fitness has become a joke. There is a reason why Fergie and Moyes said what they said.

And Rooney's replacement is already at the club - Kagawa. without Rooney in the way we'll see what a quality signing he was.

Red Joe

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19 Jul 2013 14:19:34
Just had a look at Barca's official website. Usually a player is deemed an important asset to the team if a statement like "it is totally ruled out, he is not for sale", yet he isn't used anywhere for any of their promotional stuff. Strange. Anyway, i'm pretty sure the one team in the world that doesn't understand the meaning of "not for sale" is FC Barcelona


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19 Jul 2013 14:00:54
It seams that Cabaye is getting a mention again in the press as a Utd target. I for one don't want him much better players out there for a club of this stature.

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Anyone but him please. Most overrated player.
Nomidfield

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19 Jul 2013 13:33:48
R. I. P Burt troutman

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Chris

Love you man but respecting someone by getting their name so wrong is kind of ironic. :-)

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19 Jul 2013 13:14:26
Hi All

Just wondering how solid the interest was for Strootman?

Im excited about the Moyes era and hope he is given the patience to work.

However, i'm beginning to get a little worried that anyone we have shown an interest in, we haven't decided not to sign them, we have literally failed to sign them.

Apparent interest in strootman who in my eyes wouldve been a perfect box to box, albeit minimal goal scorer, but he signed for Roma

Thiago promised 1st team football here, decided to go to Bayernn instead

Fabregas is now looking to stay in Barca ( ok I know that hasn't changed since he went there)

Im concerned that the pull of Sir Alex was a factor large enough to secure signings in the past, now that has gone, we are falling short of signing the players we want

plenty of time left I know but are there plenty of appropriate signings? Apparently we may or may not be in for Bale for 60m, RM were willing to pay 80m so why are we even entertaining this?

Also how would people react if a swap deal was carried out for part cash part player, swapping Rooney and 25m for bale?

Thanks very much

PedRed

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My point is. whom said we were interested in Strootman? The Keyboard warriors on here! Not DM

Whom said we were interested in Thiago?. not DM

The only person we have CONFIRMED interest in is Cesc and its ongoing.

Fred the red

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Fred mate, it's who, not whom. Just saying

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19 Jul 2013 13:12:32
A simple message ti david moyes

Please don't waste your time and make fun of urself and fans by chasing unrealistic targets. Its 20 days gone and we are at level 0.
U have a champion squad but you are not SAF and goal conceding defence is one more year older.
In chasing dream or say wasting time by purpose for owners. we have almost lost all certain targets in strootman and thiago just because u didn't have faith in them.
We don't havr midfielders even for substitutions. So even a donkey would do. don't go after lions. u can't hunt them with a stick. ( gun not available, even though u say its there. We know the fact. U r chosen to run a bagger club as u r specialist in)
So keep it simple. Maximum your capasity is to buy fellaini and baines that to by offering double the real money.

So get fellaini or u will be left with red slapped face.
And NO VALUE IN THE MARKET will not suit u.

U still have cabaye
Defour
Fellaini
Reserve squad members
To choose from. that's your realistic targets.

Dont emberace us by playing giggs in there. Give chance to youth properly which SAF didn't do and we lost a star in POGBA. and morrisson.

Ferbregas and bale is not for sale. so wake up.

Rodio17

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A really well written post.

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Radio17

I used to enjoy some of your posts and replies to posts.

I used to agree with most of your post

I used to respect u

You have just ruined everything!

Fred the red

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Unless the people in charge of United have lost all sense of reality, I really can't see why the chief executive would leave Australia early in order to be told Fab wasn't for sale. Surely, in an age of global communication, he could have been told that without the need to be told in person?
As for the Barca charmain saying he is not for sale, how many time over the course of a transfer window do other chairmans of other football clubs, utter the same thing?

I personally think the chief executive should be going to Madrid. There are plenty of top midfielders who we would have a genuine chance of signing, given the fact that Madrid need to balance their own books.

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Sounds like someone don't like David moyes too

Ross

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Radio I swear your posts piss me off something fierce. So a breif message to radio17 no one wants to hear your crap we know wats going on so your commentary is not needed. Why not post a rumour there all crap at least your posts would fit in. Oh an I doubt your post will be read by DM but mine will be read by you.

CAIN

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My positivity is starting to waiver too, I'm now getting nervous, I agree now get Fellaini, yet at the start of the window I would have said don't touch him with a barge pole. I really hope I'm proved wrong but we don't seem to have the same pull for the big players that we did when we had SAF in charge, so please just get midfield reinforcements so that giggs is not struggling again for another year in CM!
Jase

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He's frustrated. I think fellaini is a realistic target but bale ronaldo fabregas and all the top targets are not.
So let's get who we can.
Nomidfield

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Fred the red.
Thank u. I just posted practicality. Not being negative. So u can explain what I have ruined.

And CAIN.
tell me why would I care. what opinion u build about me.

Rodio17

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Ross. nothing like I don't like david moyes but I m worried so does everybody about midfield.
And all know that any1 will improve our m8dfield

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19 Jul 2013 13:04:39
Well boys and you CTR,

What's happening with this great club of yours, I mean all this money you've got, why didn't old red nose go out and buy some midfielders last season.

He stayed way to long in our opinion, seemed to lose the plot, good job the rest gave him that 20th as a little see ya never present.

So the Ginger Prince, can't see you girls winning much with Mr Moyles. Still you've surrounded him with legends. Think even Sir Bobby may help out when you get desperate.

Also really nice to see we're not the only ones coming on and mixing it with you biggest club in the world boys!

So who do you think you'll sign in the end, who is Garay, or is that just a limp way of saying Gary. We're not sure to be honest.

Cesc coming to United, pretty sure that won't help you girls win diddly next year either. Few trophyless years won't do you any harm. Remember you all love the club no matter what, all 650,000,000 of you.

Laters

The Anthill Mob

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Scholes is having family time atm and decided to reject, no doubt in the future he'll be back.

All of what you wrote was BS until the part saying we love our club no matter what.

Worry about your own club, your best player Jonjo Shelve. oh I mean Suarez wants to leave as he see's no titles for Liverpool and is sick of playing with mediocre players in a mediocre team.

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Ha why always am I mentioned by the imbeciles? Lol this is getting real odd now lol.
Anthill your school broke up already for the holidays? Lucky u, wheres mummy and daddy taking u?
Laters

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Lol and we are not suprised u dnt know who garay is mate, its not like your football knowledge has astounded us thus far lol x

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Liverpool: Mid-table-scrappers.

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19 Jul 2013 12:52:49
what about Charlie Austin or glen murray.

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They are chelsea and arsenal bound unfortunately.

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You forgot Vydra

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19 Jul 2013 12:45:08
The way some of you guys talk its like we've got Moyes out of the Blue Square!

It seems as if many of you don't leave the comfort of your own living room.

DM is a known coach all over the world, he revolutionized fitness standards in English football and is known to be friends with a lot of TOP coaches.

DM is to english football what Simeone is to Spanish football, EVERYBODY with any ounce of footballing knowledge knows who he is and wants to play under him.

the same, in my opinion applies to DM.

You don't attract talents like Fellaini and Mirallas - both of whom had teams like Inter, AC, etc. trying to sign them without being a decent manager!

I will say this only once. DAVID MOYES IS NOT AN UNKNOWN MANAGER! HE IS KNOWN AND RESPECTED THE WORLD OVER.

On a side note, you can really see that some of our fans are more loyal to big signings than they are to the club, the replies if with don't sign anyone of 'United Standard' shames me to be associated with you guys.

If united don't sign anybody this season I won't care all that much, we'll still do relatively well in the league and cups, we may not win the UCL but let's face it, no matter who we sign the majority of you guys will think we'll finish 16th.

New players or not I know where my loyalty lies.

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Agreed, some just want big name signings the armchair army.

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Moon,

I'm not questioning your loyalty, but how can you question that of others for having a little ambition? Manchester United are the most decorated club in English football, the fans expect the club to sign the best players in the world, and why shouldn't they? It's a consequence of success.

Manchester United certainly didn't achieve everything they have with the mindset of,

". we'll still do relatively well in the league and cups. "

Your loyalty may be unquestionable but your ambition leaves a great deal to be desired! Hopefully Moyes is a little more driven to succeed next season than you are.

The Sun.

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Oh! If you want your team to be better, to do better and buy GREAT players in order to be CLUB that few billions love means no Loyalty? I call it ambition.

I don't agree with people criticizing DM but, please, don't get comfortable and arrogant to think that it's okay that we don't get any one cause we can still win the EPL.

This is called football and you never know what will happen tomorrow, I rather be prepared with quality signings than cry myself out by the end of the season.

Other teams also work hard to win the title and we need to work harder to retain it and honestly, we need those GREAT additions.

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Here, here

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The Moon

Man United are not about doing "Relatively Well"
Man United is about winning trophies.
Fans are fustrated because we are missing out on top class players and have been for 3 seasons now (RVP being the exception).
The fans (who pay a lot of money for there season tickets and work bloody hard to pay for it) are entitled to be a big p*ssed off when they see teams like City and Chelsea signing top players and strengthening whilst we are standing still.
This whole midfield situation should of been dealt with three years ago by Ferguson who for some unknown reason didn't or wouldn't buy one.
You sound like you have given up and are quite happy to finish 16th.
We just want what is best for United, we want the best players and we want to win trophies.

Simmo

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The Moon. I admire your sentiments, but I have supported united through thick and thin since 1968. And we had plenty of lean years in 70's and 80's,
But united have never settled for "its OK to be average" attitude. I think you have seen saf in action enough to realise that statement you made is totally against what united are.
Why are u ashamed of us and why can't we have ambitions? If we wanted a "its OK if we do relatively well" attitude, then we would have supported city for the past forty years.
I cannot ashamed in wanting our great club, a club that has history and generates a vast amount of money, to be buying the best players along with developing our youngsters. And I hope that non of the united fans lose their appetite for winning and for trophies. Trust me, we had a few barren years in the 70's and while we all went and sang our hearts out for the team, it wasn't a load of fun to be mediocre for all that time.
I'm not ashamed of any of the posters on here as they are all united die hards like me. We all show it in different ways, but accepting mediocrity is not on the agenda, I hope!
Nomidfield

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Agreed simmo. Why are we in the PL? Why do we compete in CL? We don't go in there just to make up the numbers.
I am proud of all the young united supporters as it shows the club is doing the right things and attracting young fans. But some of these have only seen success in the past 25 years. We must never sit on our laurels and admire what we've achieved in the past, we need to look to the future, buy the best, grow the best talent from within and continue to strive to be the best.
I don't see bayern, barca and Real just being happy with their lot. And I don't see any complacence coming from their camps. What I see, is that all these clubs are doing their utmost for the team and the fans to be the best. At united, saf has always strived to make us the best, broken transfer records on many occasions. So let's hope we don't change
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19 Jul 2013 12:40:27
Hi folks
First time poster but lovin the site for years. I've been following united for 30 years so no blow in. Just want to know are other supporters worried that moyes is not able to attract the big name players that we need to succeed. All the other teams have strengthened, citeh, Chelsea in the prem. bayern have just signed two worldies, Madrid and barca too. I like moyes as a manager. When he was appointed I wasn't over the moon as I thought we'll who is he going to bring to united?. He's won nothing in the game. The united name obviously isn't the same draw it used to be. Just wondering what other true fans think

United forever

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19 Jul 2013 12:22:26
Fabregas - another target gone.
This is becoming embarrassing now.
What is it with United and transfers.
City and Chelsea just go out and get the player in with no fuss, why do we drag it out.
The last 2-3 seasons we have lost out on so many players.
Who is going to be the next club/player to knowck us back?

Simmo

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Well first off I bet no one anywhere thought that there was even a possibility of a bid for Fabregas plus it ain't over till the fat lady sings

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Might be completely and totally wrong but maybe Barcelonas " Fabregas not for sale" stance is exactly the same as our "Rooney not for sale" mantra.
Red Staffie

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Exactly Red Staffie, makes me laugh how everyone is certain, and for good reason, that Rooney is off even though we keep saying he isn't, but, then when Barca say it, it is 100% true :-)

People are very dim sometimes, I'm pretty sure Fabregas will be at United as will Baines, the 2 players we have definitely bid for. It's just about negotiating and Barca/Everton getting a good price and us not overpaying too much either.

Brendan81

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It's not being dim it's being realistic.
The player isn't for sale that's the bottom line.
Deal with it.

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Yeah ok no name, you are obviously in on negotiations, oh no, hang on you won't even leave a name and so your input is of no interest to anyone.

Brendan81

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19 Jul 2013 12:20:43
I was thinking if we don't get Cesc (we know we won't let's be honest with ourselves) who could we get who is actually top quality and by that I don't mean Fellaini or Cabaye

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Ozil, khedira, Kondogbia and for the record I rate fellaini think he would toughen us up a bit

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19 Jul 2013 12:20:43
To the guy that posted Utd were going to steal Jovetic from under Citys nose. I quote (Moyes really wants him Woodward was going to pull out all the stops to snatch him from City). Well you got it wrong mate big style.

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Didn't want him anyway.

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19 Jul 2013 12:20:04
Not so much an ITK just an educated guess. with united having a long term interest in Modric and with him not
Having the desired impact at RM, along with the new additions Isco and Illarramendi vying for the same position it may be possible that RM would consider any incoming bids. Proven in the prem and that creative spark we need. Just a thought.

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19 Jul 2013 11:43:50
that's another two gone somewhere else, strootman and jovetic.

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19 Jul 2013 12:09:25
The Fabregas deal is NOT going to happen and Moyes speaking out is making himself and the club look like persons. It's not a case of "Moyes speaking means it must be close or at least possible. " It's a case of naivety at this level of the transfer market in my opinion.

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It's amazing.
we are looking like a bunch of amateurs among the big boys in the transfer market now that SAF and Gill are gone.
Even worse: City look like a big club compared to us, little noise and a lot of business.
I don't envy the players they signed, but the way they are doing their business, and they are doing business and not just talking about being flush with money and wanting to sign anyone under the sun

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Nobody wants 2 play for moyes just making bids to look good as though united trying sign players and they know other clubs won't sell all we will get is baines garay and an average midfielder we never heard of end of

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Nobody wants 2 play for moyes just making bids to look good as though united trying sign players and they know other clubs won't sell all we will get is baines garay and an average midfielder we never heard of end of

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You don't envy them, seriously I would have navas and them two strikers anyday.

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19 Jul 2013 12:01:49
So fabregas off the cards
Strootman at Roma
Baines + Fellani not for sale
Thiago at bayern
Lewy staying at Dortmund
Jovetic at man city
Bale happy at spurs
Ronaldo getting a new contract
Modriic happy at Madrid

. Have we been here before

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"There's no value in the market"

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Im starting to worry that we are going to end up like arsenal did 2 years ago, and city last year. Missing out on prime targets and panic buying at the end of the window!

Aka

Gervinho
Park Choo Yung
Javi Garcia
Scott Sinclair
Maicon

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19 Jul 2013 11:42:04
Hi all first time poster but have been following the site for years. just wondering what people think about Louis gustavo and if ther is any chance we could sign him I think he would be a perfect buy for us.

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19 Jul 2013 11:41:01
"Barca can ensure they will not entertain any offers for Cesc. He is completely non-transferable, " Barce vice-president Bartome.

Red91

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Moyes has said rooney is not for sale even if a transfer request is made!
Do think rooney will stay?

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19 Jul 2013 11:40:14
I think Baines us most likely at left back as he's prem proven, knows the manager, and there is a lack of quality alternatives. Midfield will be two from four: fabregas or modric and fellaini or luiz Gustavo. Again three are prem proven and one knows the manager. Lastly some sort of inside forward.

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19 Jul 2013 11:31:32
Now we know Fabregas is the target, what do people think? Can't see us getting him myself but think he would be a great signing. If Moyes brings in Baines and Fellaini too then I'd be happy with that. Carrick, Fellaini and Fabregas in midfield. Think Rooney is staying so a front 3 of Roo, Kagawa and RVP. Baines whipping balls in from the left.
So if we were to acquire these players I think we would be looking pretty good. Plenty of cover in defence especially if Garay comes. Midfield looking solid with options available, and quality in attack. Also let's not forget Zaha. Ofcourse Roo could yet leave so we would need to bring in a replacement but all in all I'm feeling positive about the new season.
Just my opinion but comments welcome.

Boyley

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Realistically we're not going to get Fabregas, Bale or Ronaldo.
Maybe we have a chance of Modric and Fellaini

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If we could get him and Fellaini, wow, it would be great, but unfortunately I can't see Cesc coming. I hope he does, but I don't see it happening.

We should try Modric and Fellaini in a 3 men alongside Carrick.

TBH Cesc is far away from United.

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I wouldn't be happy with that as I think the left side of midfield would be weak. I can't see there being any way that we won't play with wide men and also I don't see any way for Rooney to stay and get the adulation from the fans. It would be a disaster to keep Rooney here.

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If we were to get Baines, how would people feel with 3 at the back, then Rafael and Baines as advanced wingbacks outside a three man midfield of (fingers crossed) Fabregas, Carrick and Fellaini? Then have Kags sitting just behind RvP. It will provide some width without resulting in too much defensive fragility. It will also allow a strong midfield with creativity and strength.

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Sounds like a lot of 0:0 and a couple 1:0

no offensive personel at all.

you do need numbers in the other half

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Fresh, I disagree that it would be a disaster to keep Rooney. I was his biggest critic last season but if he gets himself fit and bangs in a few early goals, all would be forgiven. Also who would we get to replace him?

Nick86, I'd be happy with Modric

Boyley

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19 Jul 2013 11:18:48
Anyone getting the feeling the fabregas deal is looking likely?

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I will not allow myself to get excited until he is sat next to Moyes in a MU shirt. There are too many sugar daddies out there to allow him to move to MU. If we can convince Cesc and Barcelona, I imagine we will start to see other clubs make an effort to sign him.

Sydney!

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Nope, I think it will be modric.

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Cesc won't come. Barca won't sell him and end of it.

We may have bid for him but it does not mean that Barca will accept and Cesc will come. I still think that Modric is more realistic than Cesc.

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19 Jul 2013 11:13:13
Hi Eds/Syd/Guys,

What is the reliability of sports direct news? They say a deal to sign Marco Veratti from PSG is edging closer.

If true how would people feel about his signature?

Welsh Red

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I do not see Veratti at MU, but he is a good player.

Sydney!

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I can't see it happening but he is a quality player, would be delighted if it came through.

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19 Jul 2013 11:11:35
Seems to be like the fabregas deal won't be happening

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19 Jul 2013 11:08:24
Cesc Fabregas is NON Transferable, Barca have said this morning! I would love to see Cesc at united but I don't think it will happen! Starting to worry about the quality of players available to us! If we sign Cabaye I think I'll hang myself

Alex Fergusons Condom

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19 Jul 2013 11:08:11
Edds or syd if your about, do we or have we ever had an interest In veratti of PSG? Or would they even sell? Watched him in the under 21's looked very impressive.
Cheers

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19 Jul 2013 10:53:55
I keep seeing it. but never understanding it.

Why is everyone referring to Cleverly as "The brand"?

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19 Jul 2013 11:19:44
Because our 'supporters' are trying to mug off our own home grown players. Like they did we Evans before he proved them all wrong.

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Kloot I think started it. In the same way ronaldo is CR7 ie his own brand our very own tom cleverly started a fan site for himself wit tge name TC23 so another brand if you get my drift. Note I do note call him the brand I just seeing kloot point this out before so that is how I know.

CAIN88 the new brand

CAIN

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It is because he is more focused on his clothing range etc instead of developing as a footballer. Rio Ferdinand and Ronaldo both have brands but actually waited til they reached a certain level.

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Like CAIN said, it's a little sad really.

Regards,

HB for Men

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I wish ppm would show respect to our players.

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19 Jul 2013 10:26:23
With Real Signing two young exciting midielders, and Modric only coming in last year, does anyone think a bid for Ozil would do us any harm? I understand he is having contractual issues! Because the pessimist in me cannot see Fab arriving, and ill be gutted if we turn our attention to Cabaye!

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Kebab isn't good enough for MUFC.

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Özil is definitly not needed at United, we have Kagawa, Rooney, Anderson and Januzaj in his position.
We need CMs to play alongside Carrick.

Özil is definitely luxury, rather spend on a wide player

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19 Jul 2013 11:31:45
I don't think he is a luxury as of the four named ones a teenage boy and two are transfer listed fat lumps.

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19 Jul 2013 10:16:03
What are peoples opinions on our strongest starting eleven for the match on Saturday, personally i'd like to see Zaha and Januzaj get a good 70 minutes

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19 Jul 2013 10:10:06
I know it is early in transfer season and we still have lots of time. But let's look at this way

Bayern

Last year treble winner
New Manager
Have more than enough quality and quantity in squad.
Still went on to sign to 2 of the hottest prospect and on top imminent signing of Lewandowski.


Man Utd

Last year's Premier League winner
New Manager
Says happy with the squad and quantity
Still waiting for signing ( I am sorry I won't consider Varela a proper signing).
Verge of losing our best player.


So is it Club's not supporting the manager or is the manager not having enough pulling power?

Nameless Red

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Van Persie isn't going anywhere bud. Weggy

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Rooney is not our best player. The Rooney of 2009/10 was better than the current RvP, but as it stands RvP is well ahead of him now.

Sydney!

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Guys, stop deflecting from the main point he makes, you know very well that Rooney is one of our best players.
The point nameless red is making is that bayern were the best domestically and in Europe last year and they have already bought two world class talents, with lewi possible joining too.
While our lot are dragging their heals on transfers, going in with silly offers that they know will not be accepted.
I think even the most ardent united fan would admit that bayern will beat us 9 out of 10. And they have strengthened the team with top signings. So hopefully we can start doing some of our business with TOP players.
I don't buy into the transfer window does not shut for seven weeks. We need to get the players in NOW and integrate them into the team and get them settled in their new environment. This doesn't happen overnight.
Nomidfield

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He's not happy with the squad is he. That's why he's trying to strenghen the midfield area and he said in his press conference that they are looking at other deals as well.
I think Moyes is doing everything he can to get new players, it's wether the club are acting fast enough and it also wether the player that we are looking at want's to come.
I don't think anyone can blame Moyes here, we already know he's tried to sign Thiago and now Fabregas who are top top players.

Simmo

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Can't help but feel sorry for rvp, wait to see if he as a dip in form wonder if he will be slated aswell.

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The RvP of 11/12 and the Rooney 09/10 are the same. £

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19 Jul 2013 09:46:48
Does it not seem odd to any of u that moyes has come out about the fabregas bid? He surely has to be confident about it otherwise why embarrass the club

shot stopper

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I get the impression Wenger looked slightly nervous when mentioning Cesc in his press conference. Perhaps there is some movement in this after all?

Sydney!

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Yeah, like moura, hazard, thiago, cavani, falcao, Rodriguez et all.
Don't give me the rvp reply please as he is a player who has always wanted to play at united, and not many of the top players have this inclination.
The fact is we miss out on them due to money, the fact we have a relatively unknown manager, and a team which cannot compete in Europe. Simple as that.
Nomidfield

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Syd

I found the comment from Wenger about Fabregas really strange.
It has nothing to do with Arsenal or Wenger does it, I think he know that United are on the verge of signing him.
I also think RVP has had a big infuence on this move as well.

Simmo

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Everyone has their price!

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19 Jul 2013 09:23:18
Sid, you mentioned yesterday how we missed out On Bruno Gomes, Wellington Bueno and Lucas Evangelista, I am aware that Evangelista has moved o São Paulo on loan with the option to buy and they have 30% of his ownership, But how did we miss out on Gomes And Bueno?
James

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19 Jul 2013 10:46:20
James as far as iam aware Wellington Bueno signed for Anderlecht at the end Of last month
Sid

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19 Jul 2013 08:45:29
What time on saturday are united playing in a pre season friendly (GMT)
Cheers

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10. 30 I believe

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10. 30 BST

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Am or Pm?

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19 Jul 2013 08:24:05
Moyes has officially said that he has put in a bid for Fabregas believed to be 30 million £, He also said we should be expecting some good news in the next few days

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19 Jul 2013 08:57:06
We'll have to start calling you Arsenal United soon, why not try a bid for Nasri, think Flamini's on a free and even he's better than the Brand.

You might actually start playing some nice football to go along with all those trophies.

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Does it not feel funny that all your former captains want to play for us?

Must be someth

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Ahhhh all those trophies :-D
Y arsenal united? Last I heard Fabregas played for barca? I could be wrong

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I think no name is getting worried his trophyless team are going to fall even further behind the top teams.

phil

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Mr No Name poster, For the last ten years Utd have played attractive football and won the lot. Arsenal have played attractive football and won the Emirates Cup!

So enjoy pre-season again this year.

Bazza

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Mr no name, why are you talking trash?

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19 Jul 2013 08:18:23
Moyes has now come out and said we are chasing Fabregas, all over the Manchester United website. Fingers crossed people, looks like we are going all out to get him. There has to be some interest from Fabregas for Woodward to fly home.

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19 Jul 2013 07:46:30
It has been confirmed on the United official website that United have made enquiries about Fabregas.
To quote Moyes,
"When asked if he had received any official contact back from Barcelona, Moyes said: "I couldn't tell you exactly. I'm in contact with the executive vice chairman [Ed Woodward], who has been dealing with it just now. "
Surely a step in the right direction.

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19 Jul 2013 01:00:01
Sorry to gatecrash on your party lads, but wanted to reach out to Disney! and HB. What do you reckon on the whole Rooney saga? It's sorta getting drawn out in the way that the Suarez saga is. Can you actually see him leaving? In no way am I insulting any United players or instigating an argument, I'm just genuinely curious to hear thoughts from genuine football fans.

Anyway, first time post on another clubs' forum. Don't give me too much abuse, I've just grown up around United supporters so wanna hear some more opinions!

JFT 96

JP

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He won't be at United at the end of this transfer window in my eyes JP. Things have gone too far this time for him to come back from it I think. United are denying he is for sale to keep his price up but if Chelsea/Arsenal bid around £30m he will move.

I won't be too disappointed as long as we get some strong additions in, but we don't need a like for like replacement in my eyes. If we can get Baines as looks likely, a strong CM, an attacking player like Fabregas and a wider player, I don't think he will be hugely missed as we will get goals/assists from other areas.

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I think his position may have become almost untenable behind closed doors. I think he will go but ideally to PSG. PSG is possibly the only club distance wise that that would suit us and would suit him in my opinion as I think he's the type of person who would struggle with the language on the continent so because of the distance not being great PSG for me before any premier league club. I'd still prefer that he stays but he's have to come out with a tear jerking statement to appease the fans which I don't think will happen. I'm of the opinion that he and his agent have used select words coming out of the club to manoeuvre a move away, everyone else can see what the entire sentences said. We now have Mourinho sticking his nose in and a Barcaesc and Madrid style of every individual player coming out every other day from Chelsea saying how they would like Rooney to join. Next you'll have Torres saying how both of them could play together.

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Hey JP how's things, hope you're enjoying the sunshine.

This last week or 2 for the 1st time I've thought it's almost inevitable he leaves now. There's a real mixed bag of opinion's on here, some have said he's going for a long time and other's still believe he should say.

I've sat on the fence mostly but now I think he's gone. Honestly he's not quite been the player we thought he was 3 years ago. More than anything he's been sloppy, looked un-sharp and probably lacking desire from his body language. Still delivers goals and assists regularly though so I'll never slate his ability like other's might.

I don't mind if Rooney goes now for the above reasons but only if we buy a good player in return (whether that be an AM like Fabregas or winger or both!). I do however share the fears of some other's, if Mourinho can get Wayne's hunger/desire back I think he could do well at Chelsea and be a real thorn in our side. Unfortunately that now looks like a risk we may have to take!

Interesting times ahead.

HB

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Hi there,

I agree both clubs are taking similar stances. I think the biggest difference maybe down to why the players actually want to leave. Suarez may want Champions League football which cannot be offered by Liverpool. Rooney seems to be afraid of the challenge presented by RvP and Kagawa.

I suppose it will come down to who bids.

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Thanks for the opinions guys, and for not trolling me haha. And yeah HB I'm enjoying the sunshine mate, moving tomorrow so getting all stuff packed! How about yourself? I agree you will definitely need a replacement - Rooney on a bad day is still a very effective player, however if he was to leave I believe United will hardy notice the difference. When Ronaldo left a lot of my mates were incredibly worried of the void he would leave, but you still patched it up almost instantly. It should be an interesting season, but as HB said, if he was to go to Chelsea I think Jose would revitalise him, which would be a significant threat to United. I think Kagawa isn't used to his full potential at the moment, and if Rooney leaves I reckon he would be the perfect attacking link between RVP and your midfield. It could potentially be his chance to really shine.

Anyway, I look forward to the banter for the coming season, and any of you guys ever want a genuine chat with Liverpool fans about football then please pop over to the Liverpool page - we're not all persons on there, you have my word haha.

JFT 96

JP

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19 Jul 2013 00:52:02
Guys/eds this questions probably been done to death but let's say fabregas does want to leave barca and we bid X and then arsenal pay their 25 million can fabregas say I want to go to united rather then arsenal?

Probably sounds like a stupid question but I have 0 knowledge on how this sort of thing works.

Hassan. {Ed004's Note - It would be fabregas' decision}

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