Manchester United Banter Archive July 19 2014

 

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19 Jul 2014 22:16:58
Look, I know we are all very excited at the appointment of LVG, no one more so than me and I think he will be a real success. But, is it me or does he look like a Spitting Image puppet? Come on, you've all been thinking it. There is something not quite human about his appearance. It might be Botox, it might be surgery, it might be 'work' and frankly if we win the league, I don't give a toss. But I do find my mind wandering when I see him to thoughts of plastic surgery and 'enhancements'.

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Can't see it myself.

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19 Jul 2014 23:18:39
Regardless, he looks like a man who knows what he's doing

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A mixture of Spitting image and Beaker from the muppet show.

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He remind of Beavis.

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Beavis from beavis n butt head

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Your all wrong.
Max Headroom

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Don't know why but he reminds me of the doctor out of "The Human Centipede"

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19 Jul 2014 22:01:14
Mourinho is quoted as saying Chelsea have done all their business, ehich would suggest no pogba move. If juventus need to raise cash then.

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{Ed002's Note - Try not to be so naïve.}

Lol, understood ed!

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Yeah, and last time he said that they then proceeded to sign 3 players in that window! I think the saying is 'a pinch of salt'.

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What you mean managers do not always tell the truth? Well I never!

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19 Jul 2014 19:49:54
Just heard that the real reason why Anderson has not travelled is because he has had his passport revoked due to an anomaly over his personal details. Although he has 1 single home address listed, his arse cheeks have different postcodes.

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Quality my friend, quality

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19 Jul 2014 23:21:39
Fell off my chair, take a bow betty swollocks

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Quailty

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Oh. I heard he was on his way to birmingham.

I heard a report he was the sea life centres new exhibit. He was the cheapest whale they could find!

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19 Jul 2014 17:27:54
Edd do we still hold any interest in schweinstiger or is he staying af bayern?

cheers
noa

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{Ed002's Note - I really don't know what you mean.}

19 Jul 2014 17:54:49
Is there any more details on depay or was he just paper talk because of the world cup? And do we still have interest in garay? Thanks

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I posted a few weeks ago about Depay, I've been spending time between the UK, Spain and Holland - the general feeling with Depay across Holland is that he'll be staying there for one more year, he's happy to stay and unless a big offer comes in he'll be staying put.

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Garay has moved to another club mate.

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19 Jul 2014 17:14:23
Has Vidal really put his house up for sale or is it just rumours?

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The rumours are that he has told his neighbors that he'll be moving - not that his house has been put up for sale. To be honest I don't see them becoming anything other than rumours until a deal is or isn't done.

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Just rumours from neighbours as told by the media that Vidal is moving house, He had a break in in january lost 150k of good so he could be moving due to that

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19 Jul 2014 16:55:05
Having read on here countless posts saying that Juve have to sell before they buy just wondering whether they have agreed to sell one of their prize assets seeing as they have completed a deal for the kid from Real.

any info much appreciated.

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They do have a little money but not an awful lot, I think they can manage spending £20M without having to sell, its the big fees, IE the rumours about Sanchez which would mean they have to sell first.

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Cheers Moon it feels like something is going on between the clubs but you never know just trying the get any bits of info I can ;)

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19 Jul 2014 13:21:52
Eds is there any truth in the reports that we have an interest in James mcCarthy from Everton? i'd be very pleased if there was substance to the reports, He is a very intelligent player technically sound with further potential for improvement and in my mind a far better option to play a holding role than carvalho. I genuinely if you swapped busquetts with McCarrthy at Barcelona when they were at their best the team would have functioned at least as well as they did, I know 007 would agree :)

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{Ed004's Note - Personally I think McCarthy is average and overrated. Don't want him here. Plus ed002 has mentioned we have any interest in him}

19 Jul 2014 14:01:04
Ken ,
I agree , McCarthy is a good player who will only get better and I think he would be a good signing . It's a pity we didn't buy him last season for 13m instead of giving over twice that for Fellaini . an inferior player

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McCarthy as good as Busquets?
In a biography of Guardiola, Messi is quoted as saying to Pep, "Mister, always put Sergio in my team." Busquets' reading of the game is world class. I don't think there can be any comparison yet with McCarthy.

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19 Jul 2014 16:56:10
He is also a big girls blouse who feigns injury and consistently cheats and tries to get players booked and sent off. I agree he has very good ability and a full trophy cabinet but I think he is a perfect example of the type of player that is a blight on the game I love, I put him alongside the likes of suarez, pepe, and costa as some some of the most despicable opponents we are likely to face. Pretty much dirt to most proper football people

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Busquets in my opinion is the best midfielder of his kind in the world.

Del Bosque once said; "Watch the game and you won't see Sergio, but watch Sergio and you'll see the game".

You've already read what Messi has said on a previous comment reply.

also, if we look at what Guardiola said, and remember he was also some player back in the day - "If I was reincarnated as a player, I'd like to be like him."

If i'm being 100% honest, I would take Busquets over Vidal, Yaya, etc.

The great thing about him is that he doesn't have 'form', he's just brilliant 24/7. I cannot remember the last time he played poorly, even in the WC he done what he could with what he had.

So, to compare McCarthy to Busquets is just stupid. Busquets made that 2007+ team tick, not Xavi, not Iniesta, not Messi, the most valuable player in that squad is Sergio Busquets.

What you've essentially said is very similar to me saying that Macheda, Manucho and Kieran Richardson are all better than Ibrahimovic, Ronaldo and Messi.

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Hehe, I agree Ken, I can't stand him either, but he is a great player. Now Barca have another diver on their roster.

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Joke post of the season is already covered. Thanks for that moon I've had to change my breeks after pissing myself at that one

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Busquests best.midfielder in the world?
Well that made me laugh

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The moon

Busquets is a world class player.But he needs that spain/barca system to be that good.IMO he won't be as effective if playing in any different system.So how you would prefer him to vidal/yaya is beyond me.

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Jono,

If I were you mate I would take onboard what Del Bosque says and watch him play, his play acting is terrible but he's the linch pin of spain and Barcelona.

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19 Jul 2014 19:44:43
SB didn't make that team tick he played his role within in the tream structure very well but it is a supporting role mopping up covering and offering an outball for those in possession when they couldn't go forward, his stats confirm that as do the stats of the playmakers such as iniesta xavi and messi, his positional strength allowed others to crack on without the fear of being exposed, he is a completely despicable cheat a trait none of the aforementioned had to resort to as they all have top class character to go with their ability, i'd be disgusted if he were chosen to play for our club.

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If Busquets makes the Spanish team tick, why is it that the team has started stuttering when he is entering his prime and the likes of Xavi and Xabi Alonso are past it?

Busquets is a very good player in a specific role in the team, like a more complete version of Carrick. But he isn't a player who makes a team tick. His job at Spain and Barca is to break up play and ensure that players who can run the game receive the ball in the right areas on of the pitch. Busquets can also only play as the base of a three man midfield.

So he's a good passer, and he reads the game exceptionally well. But he's slow, doesn't create chances and, as he proved during the World Cup, he's incapable of tackling or providing a physical presence if his team is on the back foot. Add that to his constant whining and cheating, I wouldn't have him anywhere near the United team because he'd spend the whole season rolling around.

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How come United have been poor for years even though we had Scholes to make us tick?

Busquets controls games, he can tackle, intercept, his positional sense is incredible and generally when he's not playing Barcelona and Spain suffer.

Alonso and Busquets is a poor partnership, they're too similar, that is why the team started faltering at the WC. it also didn't help that Spain didn't learn in the Holland game or after it that playing a high line against counter attacking pacey teams is a stupid idea.

honestly guys, I won't try and change your opinion but Busquets may not be the big hitting box to box that we're all crying out for but as far as I see it, Herrera would play that role and I would have Busquets doing what carrick and fletcher (of old) do but in one role.

my preference is Busquets, yours is Toure or Vidal and I understand why, but the football style that I enjoy would be better with a player like him.

his diving, etc. really annoys me and if he cut that out of his game he would be mentioned in the same bracket as Pirlo, Vidal, Toure, etc.

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19 Jul 2014 20:54:15
Moon

I am me and I don't trust many folk with a moustache especially one with less hair on his heid but play acting aside you could play a blind tom cleverly in biscuits role in that barca team and it won't make any difference.

One stat needs looked at to see who controls the game at barca and that's amount of passes and I'll guarantee caving is miles and away at the top of that list

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19 Jul 2014 21:21:29
Danny, and so say all of us

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One of the reasons United haven't looked so great for the last couple of seasons is precisely because Scholes didn't have the legs. When Scholes went into decline and we failed to replace him our midfield hit the skids.

Busquets cannot tackle. He is good at intercepting, and maintaining possession at the base of the midfield, but as soon as he has players taking the ball toward him, he's out of his depth: no physical presence and no drive to win the ball. As I said, he's a great player to play at the base of midfield if there are two players ahead of him who can dictate the play and create chances. But he has always been a player who helps accommodate the skills of other more talented people. No wonder Messi likes playing with him so much.

Busquets should be mentioned in the same bracket as Carrick and Makelele: a very good team player who, when played in the right system, allows other players the excel. The likes of Pirlo, Toure and Vidal are the players who drive the team forward themselves.

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Biscuits is like Carrick, but more mobile (slightly, not difficult) but not as good passer.

Usually agree with you Moon, have to disagree here though. I could possibly be blinded by his cheating though, can't help thinking Carrick would be better than him in that team though.

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19 Jul 2014 12:32:28
Top class coaches steve round an jimmy lumsden could make a quick return UTD van gaal an giggsy said they can't do without them

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Er ok.

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I am assuming that's why you gave yourself the name bean

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19 Jul 2014 12:21:20
Without any further signings (except a CB) i.e with shaw and herrera alone, I think we will comfortably lead everton and tottenham by 10 + points IMO.So top 5 should not be any problem. But I think it will be tough to knock any of City, chelsea, liverpool, arsenal out of top 4. So with one quality CM, we will be back in CL and add an pacy winger ( reus for me), we are sure title contenders. But for me it will take another window to complete our team but if we buy all of those 3 of required quality in this same window(difficult ) then I don't think we will be far from our title hopes . I hope we will really spend big as all papers are talking

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Srestha, I really don't this it works like that. We can only guess what impact LVG will have on the existing players, hopefully we see a real improvement across the board. There is also no guarantee that new players, particularly overseas ones will settle in quickly. I think left back was a real issue and we appear to have fixed it. I think there was a huge lack of motivation last year, LVG will address that. RVP missed most of the season, hopefully he will have an injury free run. Midfield is the big issue - we have Herrera and. Am convinced at least 1 more will arrive. Top 4 should not be a problem, it is how much higher than that we can get.

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I think it will be easy to knock Liverpool out of top 4 they just lost there best player and will be like spurs was wn they lost there best player

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AJH
I know that it doesn't work like it but let us say we have vidal in our midfield then say how much improvement will we show? add reus to that team then u will really get a mouth watering team and make difference between top 4 and top 2 . We always cannot assume about how new players gel with the team but we definitely can say how much they can effect us with their talent. Further we have got easy games at beginning of the season which will make it easy for the team to get in LVG's philosophy .

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19 Jul 2014 11:29:52
ED, does Evra not going to US have anything to do with Juve wanting him?
Are we trying to include him in any possible deal for Vidal?

Or is just being given time off like other World Cup players?

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{Ed002's Note - Try not to over complicate matters.}

19 Jul 2014 10:47:08
Just reading yesterdays posts & it seems that mine has been deleted/removed. I didn't think it was that bad although maybe it was a bit negative, if any offence was caused I will be the bigger person & apologise. Anyway onto a more positive note, I do think that LVG is the right man for the job & I do think that he will be a big success for us. Unfortunately I think that this years world cup has robbed him of 1 or 2 months time that could have helped him assess the squad & take the appropriate action. I think we will make the top 4 but its a little early for the title, Herrera will be a big help to our very average midfield & hopefully 1or 2 more signings will give us that extra spark that we need. Would love to see Vidal or Carvalho but think he may stick with what he's got until the next transfer window then go for somebody he trusts -Strootman.

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Middleton, I also think he will be a big success. As to your other point, he would have only been able to dedicate that time to videos, most of the players were at the World Cup or on holiday. I do think what he said at the conference was carefully thought out, he will already have a view and hopefully work is being done behind the scenes. As you say, 2 more quality signings and we are ready to rock and roll

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19 Jul 2014 10:08:42
Hey Eds, just wondered if you knew any more on the reus transfer, as I can't see united to let a quality player like that go to a PL rival, think we should snap him up.

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{Ed002's Note - I am not aware of any Reus transfer.}

19 Jul 2014 08:45:35
Ed002

I was told by someone with the club we have made an improved offer for Vidal already and he will be a United player by end of next week. Is there any truth to this?

I was also told we are looking at the swiss guy Schar, is there any truth to this?

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{Ed002's Note - If someone within the club told you this I am sure it will be.}

Brilliantly put, ed.

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The only team tbat can outbid us or block ghe the move is real Madrid. Juve have just bought Morata and mights sell vidal to them as they have shiwn interest. I am hoping vidal will chose us.

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19 Jul 2014 16:18:36
RM have a fair few midfielders and just signed Kroos, I can't imagine they'd push to hard to get Vidal.

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That is the only advantage we have taht they are well stocked with midfield but then if they sold khedira and Alonso they could push hard for Vidal but hopefully we are leading the chase.

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Doesnt Kroos and Vidal play similar to each other if that's the case then we have bigger advantage.

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Thanks ed :)

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19 Jul 2014 08:45:15
Still intrigued by LVG press conference and hidden sub-texts within it: true, we can read what we want into what he said (as Ed002 sighs saying that we all seem to have heard different secret messages) but we know what a wily old fox SAF was at manipulating the press conferences/media for his own agenda and, as an experienced veteran dealing with the media and shaping the message that he wants published (to certain audiences - particularly certain players?) LVG surely has given many clues about what he might do in the next few weeks.

One part that was particularly interesting was his assertion that it was not experience on the pitch that he was looking for, but experience as a person, the whole person - not just a talented footballer.

Now, I don't think that he wants every player to do charity work, be a good father/husband or lend the spare Porsche to the kit boy to do donuts in McDonalds car park - but I do think he means that a "good person" to him is someone who will quickly buy into his philosophy (training hard, open to learning new positions, team work, who will follow his instructions EXACTLY on the pitch, someone who won't mind having lunch with the youth team etc), not question his methods and be open to new ideas - and implementing them on the pitch. This, I think, is the secret message he is sending to his new squad.

Consequently, which side do the current players fall into? Dutiful, eager to learn, won't question him, up for trying out new positions - or players who are might be resistant to new methods or who don't have the right attitude on the training ground? Now, I don't know any of the players personally and can only go on what you hear in the media (this site included) - and I might be completely wrong - but certain players seem to stand out.

Players who can be moulded quickly and will follow instructions willingly? Think you have to include most of the youngsters coming in, particularly Wilson, who seems really grounded and eager to please - I think we'll see a lot of him this year because of this. Hopefully also Powell, who has adapted quickly to each manager's demands when on loan, and also Januzaj, though he might have had his head turned a bit given his meteoric success last year and countries fighting for his allegiance. Hopefully we can also include other players such as Jones, Shaw and Mata; and we know that he likes Valencia (try him at right wing back without any resistance?) and Van Persie (who follows orders in the pitch without complaint).

Problem players, however, because they might refuse to adapt or aren't buying into his philosophy might include: Zaha (seems too full of himself), Nani and Anderson (work ethic? Also SAF tried Anderson further back and Anderson didn't try very hard to adapt to it - same for Rooney. ) and chicarito (unwilling to play from the bench?)

Then what about players like Cleverley and Fellaini? Fellaini will have to adapt to survive and Cleverley will have to really push himself and be the most eager, head-nodding student if he wants to survive also.

Think the next few weeks are crucial for all the players to decide which camp they fall into - and whether they want to be LVG's "experienced" kind of player.

Will be very interesting to see who makes the cut!

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A few simply won't be good enough. Others may have to sit if they won't buy in to LVG's philosophy. Maybe a few surprises by year's end.

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19 Jul 2014 09:04:03
With the signing of Bale last season and now James rodriguez the spotlight is no more on Ronaldo and he may become unhappy again although not this summer. There is chance he may request transfer next summer if Kroos, Bale, Rodriguez overshadow him in this upcoming season.

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Yeah or even better maybe he'll tell Real to get rid of all 3 and we can sign them next summer! Let it go he's not coming back! He may well want to finish his career here in 2 or 3 years but why would we want him when he's past his best! I really don't get some people Ronaldo chose to leave us and play for Madrid during the peak of his career. I would take him back right now but not at the end of his career when he's achieved everything he wanted somewhere else!

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Have you been watching CR7 for the past 8 or so years? Nobody is going to overshadow him next season

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They won't overshadow him. The job of that talented midfield is to give him the ball so that he can score and continue to get the glory he wants.

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19 Jul 2014 06:54:08
Hello everyone, Chicarito has been a subject of much speculation this summer. I personally think he has been a great impact player and strengthena our bench. Is it worthwhile to release him considering he can still improve further with experience?

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Deepesh

Hernandez is a good option from the bench to get us a goal but would he want another season as a substitute? He isn't good enough to be first choice at the level we want to play at. I have posted about this before but his first touch is not what it should be and he can't play with his back to goal. He makes good runs but it is obvious that he is best when running onto crosses and the opposition have grown wise to it. I also felt that after an injury about 18 months ago he had lost a little pace and he relies on being sharp.
I would be surprised if he stayed given his lack of football probably lessened his chances with Mexico and will again. A lot depends on how LvG wants to play in terms of the numbers of strikers needed but I expect him to leave this summer.

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He cannot do enough of the other stuff apart from scoring I think, his control although better is still poor plus he isn't likely to replace RVP or Rooney so better to let him move on

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Chicharito is not good enough to start for us, but too good to sit on the bench another year. He is a good pro who deserves to play every week, hope he finds a better situation. I have always admired his attitude on the pitch.

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19 Jul 2014 06:07:32
Despite last seasons tour performance, lingaard didn't get chance although his movement has been compared with iniesta a lot.
Now in this tour he is the only guy who can attract lvgs attention. And it was lvg only who found xavi and iniesta as potential world class

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So, you're saying Lingaard will be the next Xavi or Iniesta?

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Lingard had a good preseason last year, and Scholes thought he deserved more of a chance with the first team. LVG will get a good look now on the US tour, and we shall see. Maybe he will convince LVG to sell Young or Nani, at least.

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19 Jul 2014 15:07:51
Who exactly compare lingard to iniesta?

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19 Jul 2014 16:01:46
Scholes compared lingard to iniesta whilst he was working with the under 21's before he came back out of retirement, hope that helps you gds.

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