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19 Sep 2012 23:51:19
What most of you who say you are unted fan do is causing more harm than good to the team.
This is because,before ever the team plays,you have wished in your heart the downfall of a player in the team by name Nani.
You must remember that as you wish him failure so is Man United failing.
Out of 11 players in Man utd.It is only Nani you can only blame.what a shame ........? FANS
19 Sep 2012 23:33:20
Flicked through all the sports channels - right up to Trace sports on Channel 442....... and can't find the Liverpool game on anywhere.
StevieK
19 Sep 2012 23:30:04
Kings of Europe - The Chelsea story.
This program is on now, and I've just heard this wonderful quote from Terry:
"There's been this special connection with us and the Champions League"......
Forget Real, Utd, Liverpool, Barca, Bayern, Ajax....its Chelsea who everyone associates with Europe!
Chelsea, creating history since 2003 :)
StevieK
Surely the kings of europe have won it at least 5 times and own a cup?
19 Sep 2012 23:29:03
Well well here we go again then.
Same terrible CM, same inconsistency on the wing (including Toni tonight), couple of individual shockers inc peno but more so why why why are we still not changing tactics to combat where we are failing in games?
F**king clear as day we were getting overrun in CM AGAIN yet we still refuse to change and put a third body in there! I find it unforgivable that after 60 mins and a few close calls (mostly resulting from their CM bombing on top of ours) that nobody can have the guts to say to SAF that it's not working.
God I wish I was in there!
rubbishe tactics, carp performance, lucky defending and same old problems in the middle.
As I said a while back, this season is going to be a very long hard one!
Oh and we didn't play a powerhouse team here we were playing a very average European team, who are renouned for not travelling well and scraped a win playing terrible football. we have to play better for the five remaining games, simple as that!
Really annoyed yet again. That's 4 games out of 5 so far!
Jono
Jono all season we have been getting outnumbered in midfield we should lay 433 with Cleverley, Carrick and Anderson in the centre they would be great lots of energy with Kagawa, RVP and Valencia up top.
There will be big changes soon once SAF is
moved up stairs as much as I love the man, I can't wait, to see that happen back room staff kicked out the door Dr know and the gang.
I/we all can see what is going on, and
now getting sick of it. Change is needed
Stagmufc
How can anyone disagree with last comment. Change is needed and I mean saf phelan. They have lost the plot. No tactics. I've been saying this for two years.
19 Sep 2012 22:59:06
Just thought i'd come have a look to see what you all thought of tonight's game, since i didn't get chance to see any of it.
Instead, all i see is this Blair guy embarrassing himself. To come on here and try to give out stick when United win in the Champions League is beyond laughable at the best of times. But to do it when Liverpool are playing on Channel 5 tomorrow night against a team called 'Young Boys'? Well words can't even begin to explain...
I feel the need to apologize on behalf of all other football fans for him.
OsgoodIsKing
19 Sep 2012 22:48:52
and by the way,given nani's performance tonight,he will surely start on the right on sunday with valencia droping(poor crossing,too direct)out for giggs.this will happen,whether you like it or not because sir alex surely realised nani was way better than valencia tonight
bk7
I disagree Valencia will play if only for his workrate and better defensive qualities
Pardoe
You seem pretty sure about that! let's see if you're right come Sunday
Gav
19 Sep 2012 22:44:23
As usual the Nani bashing starts again when it is clearly obvious to the unbiased that he was the only attacking threat we carried tonight! The team don't play well but Nani gets it again, after creating 4 or 5 decent opportunities, can't think of 1 that Valencia created! Granted he missed a pen but it's only the 3rd worst pen we've taken this season!
Fabs
Put of 10 i'd give him a 4, and if kagawa wasnt playing he would of got considerably less. Kagawa was the only reason he looked slightly better tonight, it kind of shows that anyone can look good with quality players around them.
Anon
19 Sep 2012 22:27:48
So why have we finished ahead of you all these years?
Caolán.
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Everyone stand up and give this comedy genius a round of applause. What a rubbish comeback/reply Caolan. Don't give up your day job (Burglar) mate.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Rich coming from a scouser Blair
Pardoe
How do you know what everyones job is? u might be a genius or a guy that sits jobless in his mums basement slacking off and. lets just say stalking other men whih i presume has a greater probability...
and of course....when you dont know what to reply.... you just repost it again and question the comeback.......well if it is lame..why dont you answer it? rather than calling people names like. 10 year old sissie?
btw on a lighter note..had fun watching lfc in the champions league? ohh wait a sec
DJ
Well blur mate it wasn't a comedic response more of an actual question if we are so bad why do we finish ahead of you? Please tell me I'm intrigued.
Caolán.
He hasn't got an answer Caolain.
G.A.G.U.S
Sounds like a fair and relevant question to me Blair! Where's your answer? You really need to get a life
Gav
C'mon Blair, Be a MAN and reply...
Mago
19 Sep 2012 22:12:16
Whole teams performance was bad so why to blame nano alone . Anyways this is what I thought abt the players:
Evra pathetic on defence but a couple of good moves in attack
Nani wasteful but a few beautiful balls for goal scoring chances
Valencia needs Chico or Rooney or welbeck in the box to find his crosses
Kagawa good
RVP wasn't dere for the crosses and could've performed better
Carrick good
Scholes gave away too many balls
19 Sep 2012 22:08:31
So, having calmed down now...
1. Kagawa looks class but needs to see more of the ball. He makes things happen but the game sometimes passes him by. If we can get him on the ball, he will make things happen.
2. Wingers by definition play on the wing. Valencia eventually got going but we need to use pace and get behind defences. Nani wandered all over leaving Evra continually exposed.
3. Carrick and Scholes started well but became a little too static and deep.
4. No idea how Rooney fits in when he's back, best of luck with that one SAF.
5. So far this year too many layers look off the pace. We have quality players who aren't yet up to speed - I have no idea why.
6. As for penalties, so far it hasn't cost us but there's no excuse...
AJH
19 Sep 2012 22:07:58
Nani is clearly low on confidence since we agreed to sell him understandable ofcourse you could see it with the pen and the was one point I was just expecting him to shoot but he slid it across to rvp instead
19 Sep 2012 22:04:13
In the end a win against a decent Turkish team but it was hardly convincing was it. The main problem was that the defence was repeatedly left exposed by our midfield being completely overrun. Against the better teams our good attacking play won't be enough. Hopefully we can hang on until January and then buy someone like Strootman to prop up our middle.
Paulo.
19 Sep 2012 22:02:40
united fans are embarasing,asking for nanis head because he missed a penalty?why not ask for rvp and hernandez?look at the second half and all our chances were from him.is it his fault hernandez cant score?nani put him through on 2 ocassions,2 wonderful passes.comeon,give credit where its due
bk7
When RVP missed the pen he made up for it with a hatrck, when hernandez missed he broke his neck trying to redeem himself and ended up scoring, when nani missed he continued to wander around the pitch with no intent or ambition to help the team.
Anon
Nani played very well apart from the pen. he needs a goal for his confidence but the amount ov chances hernandez misses lately is remarkable yet nani gets abuse for anything he does wrong, u could sense it in the stadium that they wer waitin to pounce before he even did anything wrong yet valencia couldnt find a cross all night and no mention of this. i feel sorry for nani as he must sense the fans are always against him yet he gives 100 percent and has the balls to step up for a pen, show him some support and maybe he will then shine again.....come to think of it dont think we even have a song for him, some fans
19 Sep 2012 21:59:20
We have a really boring and classless football so far this season. Maybe few young guys from the academy would have more energy, passion and desire to win than this current players.
Evra and Nani are useless, Valencia is too predictable and today was really poor.
Scholes can't play 2 games in a row on the same week.
Right now our game is so slow that I doubt if we're capable of scoring goals from counter-attacks!!
If we concede half of the chances Galatasaray had, to Liverpool, we'll be beaten nicely.
But the worst thing of all is that Evra will keep getting games and Nani, ah, I prefer to shut my mouth.
Nick86
19 Sep 2012 21:58:54
January, Ogbonna in for 14m.
James Rodriguez in for 30m (approx)
Nani out for 25-30m (or in swap deal)
Erikson in for 15-20m.
Happy with this business.
We could buy erikson, but carrick fletcher & scholes would still get picked before him by fergie...
'Happy with this business' if you get 25-30mill for Nani. You should be fooking ecstatic.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
If King Kenny gets another management job we could get 100 million for Nani !
Marky Mark
Dont be bitter Blair, just because you have to effectively pay teams to take players off your hands! e.g. Aqualani, Bellamy
Gav
19 Sep 2012 21:58:42
Well that was interesting, another missed pk by a another taker. Why didn't RVP take the pk? Did he defer to Nani? Rooney would have taken it. The most important thing is the 3 pts but that was a below average performance. SAF is kidding himself if he thinks DDG isn't our no 1, he's one of the best shot stoppers in the world, still needs to work on crosses but the only way he will improve is if he plays.
19 Sep 2012 21:58:16
Sell Nani, Young and maybe Hernandez (because he won't get game time)
Buy Ronaldo
Problems solved
Not really.... we would still have a rubbish centre to the team.......
why paper over the cracks....... fix them and then decorate.......with extravagant finishes....
19 Sep 2012 21:57:11
1. Should have been 4 penalties for us, 2 for them. Awful refereeing.
2. Nani is getting worse.
3. Great to see Fletcher back.
4. Kagawa and RVP are great signings but we need more to compliment them.
5. De Gea proving he's the man for the job again.
6. BUTTNER MUST PLAY AHEAD OF EVRA AGAINST LIVERPOOL!
7. Powell should be getting a chance. We need to try something new.
8. Galatasaray fans. Wow.
9. We got the win but need to improve big time.
10. We need to work on our penalties. That's 6 in a row now.
G.A.G.U.S
Careful mate you may be accused of hating Evra and seeing a p1ss poor first half Evra performance that never actually happened.
Must be seeing things ;)
Sydney!
The ref was shocking, he was never in the right position and frequently got in the way of the play. As well as missing several pen shouts for both sides.
Shappy
I'd also like to give a shout out to the 5th official (or whatever they call the guy stood behind the goal) for not contributing anything to the game whatsoever. Every big decision in the box and he looks away, brilliant. The only thing he did effectively was block my fkin view of the game!
Agree with point 8 GAGUS! Their fans were very impressive and louder than us at many points
Gav
19 Sep 2012 21:54:20
Hard earned win tonight but I just wanted to say one thing, there is only one thing Nani should be criticized for and that was his penalty which was awful, other than that he was decent, his link up play was great, put one or two decent crosses in and he played two great over the top balls to Evra and Hernandez who should have scored. Problem is at the moment he is a scapegoat, so as you can see further down the page where there was a person calling him useless 3 minutes into the game, people will have it in for him even before the match begins.
CnM {Ed004's Note - Thank you. I thought RVP, Valencia and Evra were worse tonight}
19 Sep 2012 21:50:44
Nani has got to go simple as. Can't be relied upon, I was literally pulling my hair out everytime he had the chance to play somebody in.
I would take 15million for him right now, what a useless, wasteful person he is!
RED_LAD
I know... those balls he put through for hernandez were rubbish... what was he thinking
19 Sep 2012 21:47:50
I'm so angry with one particular player right now (Percy, you know who it is and I'll be interested to see your defence), that I'm afraid to post what I think in case I get banned, so....who was everyone's best Utd player tonight?
I'm going for Johnny Evans, and not just because I'm from NI - thought he looked strong and composed tonight, bar the dodgy tackle near the end.
I'm away to count to 10....
StevieK
Stevie
I know Nani was frustrating but let's be honest, he wasn't the only one and he wasn't the worst.
AJH
I think you should go and count to ten, and re-evaluate the game you've just watched. Kind of predictable, all the Nani-haters coming out of the woodwork.. Truth is some of his intricat passing with Kagawa was one of the positives of our game tonight. Two through balls that Chicharito should have made more of. All in all a promising display by Nani, marred by a horrendous effort of a penalty..
In what way was Valencia's contribution any more valuable than Nani's?
Skeletor
I too thought Jphnny Evans looked solid and composed
Gav
AJH - mate I know he wasn't the worst, it's just so frustrating with the lad, because I know what he is capable of. I always had such high expectations for him.
Skeletor - I am by no means a Nani-hater, and Valencia was poor last night. The difference being, Toni can be forgiven a poor one due to his otherwise commendable consistency, whereas one word that can't be levelled at Nani, is 'consistent'.
StevieK
19 Sep 2012 21:47:44
After that performance please will fergie kick that frustrating t.wat nani up the arse or out of the club! Valencia couldn't pass or cross tonight. We were lucky to win that game. Outplayed at home again! Glad for the three points and hope we will get better as the season progresses. Plus points were the defence, vidic and De Gea especially and three points. Negatives, Not keeping possession and Nani trying to gt himself fired. Let Fred the Red take the next pen please!
Bryn Mez
19 Sep 2012 21:47:22
Im not one to jump to conclusions but its time for nani to find a new club,he offers nothing to the team and doesnt even look like he wants to be on the pitch,why was he taking the penalty?even after his miss rvp should be taking them,if not for de gea nanis diving antics would have cost us a goal,the bloke is a liability,id rather give robbie brady a chance than play nani again.
phil
19 Sep 2012 21:44:17
I'm afraid that performance was very poor but I'll be positive as ever,
1) Fletcher back, looked rusty but that's understandable.
2) vidic looked great one everything in the air looked back to his best.
3) kagawa played really well
4) great goal from Carrick
5) de gea saved us a point!
But Nani, words can't describe how ridiculous he is!
Caolán. {Ed004's Note - I knew this would happen. I thought Nani did more than Valencia tonight IMO}
I think edd has a point, seems to me everyone needs a scapegoat some times.
there where worse than nani tonight.
united have conceded more attempts on goal than any team in the EPL, and we again looked far to open in midfield i think that is more of and issue.
we let teams play and if we do that against the best we will get hurt.
jred
Ed004 Valencia but in some dangerous crosses and tracked back unlike someone {Ed004's Note - Nani did track back and put in a few stunning crosses. Look at his corner then his cross with his left right after it put on the 6 yard box waiting for someone to tap it in}
Nani had more of the possession then Valencia, yet still seemed to waste most of the chances he had to play someone in or deliver a decent cross, Not praising Tony V either. Both had bad games, But considering how many more chances nani had to show quality and failed to impress makes him an ideal candidate for worst United player playing tonight.... Well he and Evra :P
Look at his slack passes played rvp a shocking ball it was behind him, if he passes properly rvp scores? Yes Valencia wasn't great but Nani is getting consistent, consistently bad! {Ed004's Note - What about RVP pools awful touch? I don't think it was that bad a ball and think RVP should hit it first time as it was put on his left foot}
Rubbish did valencia play... wow... i missed that
19 Sep 2012 21:40:14
Congratulations!!
You've just reached No.1 as the worse diving club in Europe. And you talk about Barca (lol).
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96 {Ed004's Note - Who dived?}
Blair, you are an person.
A
Wellbeck on Saturday and Nani and Valencia tonight.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
So glad you took time out to watch our game, who are you playing in the Champions League? Enjoy your game tomorrow, I know I won't be watching.
Why aren't you watching liverpool on a top european night? Even when there's eight games to choose from you still can't help yourself and HAVE to watch us. Thanks for your support.
Shappy
Replays clearly showed both incidents were penalties but your bias never ceases to amaze Blair. Also, says a lot when we have voyeurs like you perving on the united page. Then again I suppose there is damn all going on at Liverpool bar a whole lot of misery
Jomu83
Well done Blair you are such a ledgend. And not bitter at all. Glad you enjoyed watching United during Liverpool's 'night off'. I know I won't be watching your bunch of amuter's tonight so whether they dive or not I couldn't give a flying fk
Gav
19 Sep 2012 21:33:27
Its official ................................
we are piss poor .............
fozzy58
19 Sep 2012 21:29:28
Same old problems. Your midfield is sh*t, your defence is sh*t and your squad still isn't good enough.
I'm getting sick of repeating myself.
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
And your not in the champions league again
Ross
Pi55 off. You are in no position to call United a sh*t team, when you support Liverpool.
G.A.G.U.S
United won the game though. At least when they're playing badly, they still pull out results.
Ruudinthemood
We will see how sh1t our midfield is on Sunday.
Sydney!
And where are Liverpool currently sitting in the PL table.....
So why have we finished ahead of you all these years?
Caolán.
Worry about your own team who hasn't one a game in the league yet and will be lucky to finish in the top 6. Your team is a joke.
Sigh....no-one cares what you think. Your life is so empty you spend time on this site trying and failing to wind us up. Cling on to your glory days mate, they ain't coming back any time soon.
AJH
Blair
You post on the United page so much, you've accidentally wrote on here again rather then your page, like when you send a text to the wrong person! Silly Blair!
Ports
Looking at the gracious replys AJH mate. It seems a lot of people care what I think. You Mancs hang on my every word.
Cheers
Blair Mayne YNWA JFT96
Blair you make me laugh. Your team is closer to relegation than qualifing for europe, you've had your worst start for something like 50 years and the best banter you can come up with is this tripe? And what occasion are you choosing to give us banter on? Oh yeah the night we win a game in europes elite competition which your team can't even qualify for.
Shappy
19 Sep 2012 21:42:21
Bad performance, but a win nonetheless! I wish our players would stop looking for penalties in good positions though! Oh and Nani was poor again, but i'm guessing the slating will begin soon about him!
Hoppy
19 Sep 2012 21:40:20
We must play Lindegaard, Rafael, Ferdinand, Vidic, Buttner, Valencia, Carrick, Cleverley, Kagawa, Rooney & RVP against Liverpool.
Sydney!
Sydney, why would Rooney be considered when not fit.
A
Lindegaard?
G.A.G.U.S
DDG is a better keeper.
Lindegaard has to play as DDG will purposely get bullied on Sunday by Skrtel & Agger. Liverpool will try anything. There will be plenty of corners and crosses into the box and I would prefer Lindegaard there instead of DDG. Rooney has been training hard indoors from what I have heard and will likely play a part in the game.
Sydney!
So how is our goalie going to improve if we sit him? He's is a much better shot stopper and should play regardless of the opposition. The way he has been handled this year I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Spain in a couple of years at Madrid. Then you will be saying what a great keeper he is.
Its not what's best for DDG its what's best for united and i agree lindegaard will be better suited to the liverpool game.
DDG shot stopping is good but he doesnt command his box enough and is still a bit suspect on crosses imo.
but his only young and wesoon improve in them areas
jred
I think DDG is better suited to the Liverpool game unless they've recently signed a winger who can cross. Liverpool will play through the middle and not from the flanks, Crosses won't be a problem in this game. They are more likely to have quick turn and shoot chances which will take someone who has great shot stopping ability to save. This is why for me DDG has to start ahead of Lindegaard on sunday.
Shappy
19 Sep 2012 21:39:31
Im sorry nanis not the only person who was poor tonight! Rvp did nothing valencia had no final ball! Atleast nani did! Scholes was sloppy
19 Sep 2012 21:11:03
You would think that after this many spurned penalties our players would just step up and put their foot through the ball just look at Lampard he is insane at penalties because ju has conviction.
Yer 3 bad pens
jred
Jred
What about the three against barcelona preseason, they were all poor.
A
The list goes on
jred
19 Sep 2012 21:10:15
This is desperate, can't hold on to the ball and the penalty taking this season is shocking (Nani x 2, Young, Van Persie, Chico and Rooney) all missed and never looked like scoring.
If we allow this many chances on Sunday we will be leaving without any points.
A
19 Sep 2012 21:02:15
Nani out!! He has to be sold, surely Fergie is witnessing these same below-par performances each and every game now since February! The boy peaked, it went to his head a little, became very complacent and now has found himself struggling to refund half the form he once used to produce. He is going back the way as opposed to improving, or even levelling out. Cash in Fergie n Gill and bring in a young, hungry, driven winger.... Isco would be nice, or someone in that mould.
RIP Nani
Scotty G
19 Sep 2012 21:01:02
Oh dear Nani, he doesn't do himself any favours. Time to bring on Welbeck I think.
Shappy
19 Sep 2012 21:00:59
please sell that person nani in january
19 Sep 2012 20:59:14
3 games in a row we have had a penalty saved because they have been horrendous..... That is absolutely shocking for a team of this calibre Van Persie despite his awful one against Saints should be hands down taking them whenever he is on the pitch.
19 Sep 2012 20:58:25
Still think Nani is good Percy? He is useless I have seen better Sunday leauge players.
Caolán.
19 Sep 2012 20:58:11
3 penalties 3 misses what the hell is going on this season!
Also, why did Nani take it?!
Queue the Nani out posts! (which I don't agree with)
RedDub
He is useless though.
Caolán.
How can you not agree? he is shocking, cant believe saf plays him. tom17
19 Sep 2012 20:56:48
Why oh why is nani taking penaltys...the guy is toss
Parkie mufc
19 Sep 2012 20:56:43
WHY WAS NANI TAKING THAT PENALTY INSTEAD OF VAN PERSIE OR SCHOLES? WHY?
nov00
19 Sep 2012 20:52:27
Is it just me that thinks Valencia has been quite poor so far this season? He seems to be really predictable and lacking a little pace and decisiveness.... On another note I sear to god Nani is hopelessly bad he is verging on being the worse player so far this season every game hes been in.
Totally agree
Nani?
-JakeW
19 Sep 2012 20:48:11
Not related to United but can't help to say . Chelsea have got themselves a young kaka
19 Sep 2012 20:42:27
All the threat coming from Evra's corner. Oppo managers are not silly anymore, they know our Achilles heel. Why did Ev pass it back to Vidic? Should have been a Gala penalty. Then Ev gives away the ball and gets skimmed in one attack, just to add insult to injury he fouls matey to give them another opportunity to get the ball in the box. After Buttner's performance how did he not start tonight? Surely after watching this Fergie must feel Buttner is the way to go on Sunday.
Absolutely no threat coming from the right hand side, surprise surprise.
Sydney!
Syd
take your evra hating glasses off, for the whole first half evra had 2 players to mark as nani never came back once , in fact rvp came back and covered a couple of times.
in the second half when gala had the ball evra tucked in and i would imagine after having an ear full from fergy nani picked up the wideman
jred
Gee Syd, what a surprise. Evra found himself against 2 regularly and was getting no help. It was very patchy from most. Scholes and Carrick sat too deep, Nani was his usual frustrating self, Valencia got going... eventually, Hernandez looks very rusty. Possession was squandered continually. It feels like we need to click, not sure how we do that but right now, we look very very rusty.
AJH
I'm sorry but what does Evra passing it to Vidic when he wasn't free have to do with marking two men? What does getting skinned ONE ON ONE more than once have to do with having to mark two men? What does giving away a freekick after being skinned have to do with marking two men?
Sydney!
Syd
tonight the main issue was lack of cover, you ask what is being skinned one on one have to do with it , well it all comes to starting position , getting tight to the player early.
if you are marking two people you cant get tight to one in case it goes to the other, then when said player gets the ball its hard to close him down as he has a choice of passing to the spare man or going past you so you end up trying to stop the ball inside and the player going past you, which stops you just standing the player up.
watch the first half in particular the amount of times evra is tucked in only to have to come out wide to face the spare man while nani was stood with valancia is un real.
in comparison have a look at toni position on the right ,raf tucks in and toni is more or less rb, when the gala player gets the ball raf and toni are tight and there is no space to for the attacker to go in to.
basic football hope that helps
jred
Jred, I know what you are saying and it makes complete sense, but on these occasions where Ev was at fault in the 1st half yesterday, none of this applies. He didn't have two men to mark on either of those occasions. Passing back to Vidic when Vidic wasn't free was careless and typical of Evra of the past two and a half years. When he was skinned he was positioned in between goal and the attacking player and it was 1on1, there was no other for him to watch out for, he was beaten easy and even fouled the player to give him another chance to get the ball in the box. He was better in the 2nd half and can only assume he got a bollocking at HT. Lets not forget Vidic was covering for Evra an awful lot in that 1st half. I wouldn't mind such poor defending if he was deadly in attack, but he is woeful in attack too.
Sydney!
19 Sep 2012 20:38:38
Evra pathetic. But just loving the game. United being outclassed in every department. A small club but with a big heart and awesome supporters
19 Sep 2012 20:37:46
Poor performance since the goal. Evra back and nearly causes a penalty in the first few minutes with a nightmare pass back into his own box, skinned a number of times already. Nani has made some awful decisions, but Valencia has been even worse. Not one good cross so far. Scholes looks tired, no way he should be playing twice in one week. We are lucky to be ahead and seriously need to step it up a gear. If we don't kill the game off at the start of the second half it could be two lost points.
Danny Pughnited
19 Sep 2012 20:36:32
Oh my days this is typical of the team for the last couple of years.... We take a lead in the first 10 or 15 minutes and we can not improve on it or up the tempo when 5+ years ago we would be 1 nil up inside 10 minutes and just rip into teams until half time not giving them a sniff at goal or even possession it is so frustrating why can we not build on things we have a far superior team yet we have probably been the worse team.
19 Sep 2012 20:32:41
I dont know how we are winning, passing has been bad for the most part, just giving the ball away. I think these games are tough on Scholes, only 3 days rest and it shows.
19 Sep 2012 20:32:28
What a first half. This team must improve if we seriously think of winning a major trophy this season. By playing like this we ain't going nowhere.
Nick86
19 Sep 2012 20:28:31
I swear Nani is absolutely hopeless ! He just is not with the team....
19 Sep 2012 20:27:59
I thought if a player gets more games they usually play better, for Nani it's the total opposite! I have been cursing at my TV screen about everything he does. I really hope we see the old Nani soon, the new one sucks.
-JakeW
19 Sep 2012 20:15:54
Nani is really getting on my nerves. He's meant to be playing on the left hand side, however he is always stood next to Valencia. This is therefore pushing RVP out to the left hand side with Nani through the middle there by negating our biggest goal threat. I really do hope Isco replaces him, he's infuriating.
Fresh!
19 Sep 2012 20:09:42
Shocking decision from the refs, 3 of them all inside 20m couldn't spot Vidic's foul... They should all be ashamed.
DodgyBanter
Agree, it was a stonewall penalty.
Sydney!
19 Sep 2012 19:49:32
3 mins in and Nani is already useless
Brendan
53 minutes and no better, t1t
Brendan
19 Sep 2012 19:45:22
Really happy to see Fletcher on the bench. I hope his recovery is coming along well. We really could do with him back to his best.
Shappy
19 Sep 2012 19:37:49
Any1 got any good links for tonights game
Jenny
Try firstrow.eu or vipbox.tv
Devil for Life
Wiziwig.tv for all your streaming needs
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LSHunterTV
Red Spark
19 Sep 2012 19:19:48
very clever line up from SAF quite defensive, with kagawa in a more advanced position so that v. persie isn't isolated and he gets support from kagawa and scholes( great passers) and toni(a great crosser) then nani can do what he does best and make himself seem brilliant.
nov00
'Seem' brilliant is the important word there. He has been totally useless so far.
Fresh!
I think the word you are looking for is negative..........
19 Sep 2012 19:09:47
Very surprised to see both Scholes and Carrick start, I didn't think either would. Also I thought that one of Kagawa / RVP would be saved from the weekend. Also thought Buttner would play. De Gea plays also so I'm pretty confident that Lindegaard will play this weekend.
Fresh!
19 Sep 2012 19:05:27
So Buttner has one game and shows what it is like to have a good performance from a left back for the first time in 2 years yet he gets dropped instantly :/ I am sorry but players shouldnt be picked on reputation or history it should be form..Plus Evra will play against Liverpool which means numerous crosses coming in as he has not got the
19 Sep 2012 17:48:54
Ed, Syd, Shappy or anyone that knows. If a team fails to get through the group stages of the CL, are there players unavailable to play for other team in the CL if they are sold?
RedDevil19 {Ed002's Note - One per club is.}
Ed is that one player per club, ie. the club nominates a player that is cup tied but the rest are able to play if they move in January? Cheers.
Welsh Dragon {Ed002's Note - No, one is able to play for a new club.}
19 Sep 2012 18:44:31
Starting line up is DDG, Rafael, Evans, Vidic, evra, Valencia, Scholes, Carrick, Nani, Kagawa and RVP
Dylan
19 Sep 2012 18:16:58
Did Zee get the team news yet ???
Devil Dust.
19 Sep 2012 18:54:10
Predictions lads?
Caolán.
Now that i've seen the starting 11 I think 3 or 4-1
I reckon a 4-0 win for united. Perhaps a goal from the Turkish side though.
Anyone have a good streaming link?
52-0 with RVP getting 51.
MPez
Aslong as we better them not bothered who scores.
19 Sep 2012 17:28:39
what a goal against city! lovely to see that ronaldo is still doing the business for us, even though he plays for madrid!
nov00
19 Sep 2012 16:42:31
Have to say, I've only seen Isco 4-5 times, but he looks like a top talent. Would still prefer Muniain.
G.A.G.U.S
Can't see us getting Muniain though. Bilbao reportedly want 40 Million Euros which is a rediculous fee. His attitude is also poor despite his obvious quality. Isco is much more likely as I think that Malaga may be experiencing some financial difficulties. However this is unlikely to happen in January as Isco is playing for Malaga in the CL and so would be cup tied.
RedDevil19
Imo both could be class ans will probably be but the money difference is outstanding we could of nabbed Isco in the summer for around £15million that is a snatch ! where Muniain would of cost maybe £25-30million
Just cos he's cup tied doesn't matter much, we could still have him for 5 months and get him used to being in England, and with the team, winter wouldn't be as much as a shock then compared to signing him in August.
Also if he's cuptied then he can play league games and rest someone for Europe.
19 Sep 2012 16:16:33
Whats your predictions for tonight guys? I am going for a thrashing of 6-0. I don't know why but after the 4-0 win I think the team will be on a high and will be ready to score more goals.
I would love an attack 4 of
Valencia--Kagawa--Nani
----------RVP
With Welbeck coming on for Nani and Hernandez for Kagawa and RVP dropping back.
-JakeW
What I think is worth baring in mind is that this group is unlikely to go to goal difference and SAF knows that. So if we can get 3 goals up then I would expect a few changes to be made, taking into account that we have better quality in depth than last season when we would be bringing on Obertan and Bebe etc. So I will go 3 or 4-0.
TK-Red
TK-Red
Im hoping a nice comfortable 3or4 but I would rather make sure everyone stays fit and get 1or2 with a win.
15 Sep 2012 08:54:08
hi ed 007,i was a little down this morning until i saw your comments about "anderson society" and now i feel better, i struggle with ********** so thanks 4 making me feel better ed007 u know how 2 make people laugh keep up the good work cheers from norway zee;) {Ed007's Note - Thanks very much Zee. Take care up in Norway, and if you ever get too warm for that climate you can visit Scotland.}
19 Sep 2012 15:48:00
I really do feel as thought Ronaldo is going to come back. We are slashing the debts and the profits that we would make from his return would pay a lot of his wages and transfer fee. He really is not happy. He only celebrated because it was necessary. His return is coming.
I cannot see it mate, sorry.
Sydney!
Hahaa haa ah
Its very unlikely mate. Hope for Isco, he's the next big thing.
Fresh!
19 Sep 2012 14:17:21
May I make a plea to everybody who is like myself going to Anfield on Sunday. There is bound to be some kind of tribute to the 96 before the game. I call on all Manchester United supporters attending the game no I beg them to show the respect to these 96 victims that is due. This is not about some petty football rivalry or about Louis Suarez. This is about 96 human beings who were killed needlessly and the dignified fight that their families have put up in order to get the truth. Forget about Munich songs or some of the other arguments i have heard in the past couple of days and just take a couple of minutes to put yourself in the place of those families. Everyone here on this site knows that I have no love for Liverpool FC or it supporters but let me say I have nothing but total respect and admiration for all the families and I am happy to stand there on Sunday and support them in any way they wish. Please please please if you are going show some class. Remember we are Manchester United lets show the world who we are. I AM KLOOT
I like you dude, same here. I'm pleading with all Manchester United fans who're attending the match to please give them that respect.
SAMFORD01
I am sure there will be a 'JF96' banner going around in and amongst the away fans.
I am sure if there is a minute's applause the United fans will out-cheer the rest of the stadium.
Sydney!
Most united and liverpool fans think the same way , as both have had the loss of loved ones in the past , well said I AM KLOOT , your post puts football in its place, nothing else needs said..............lfc
KLOOT
Well said mate - near enough word for word what I was going to post, so saves me putting something on :)
StevieK
Finally I agree with you KLOOT, if anybody is caught disrespecting the Hillsborough disaster victims should be banned from watching any games.
-JakeW
Please Please Please show respect. It'd be unbelievably embarrassing and shameful if anything bad happened.
G.A.G.U.S
It is horrible to use disasters as fuel to p1ssing off rival fans, but they are doing it just to wind-up rival fans. No one is sick enough to truly enjoy what happened to them who perished in 1958 and 1989. It is about winding up the opposition. Liverpool fans taunted us about Munich from the 70's right up until Hillsborough and after, it's not nice, but it happens and will continue to happen in the future. Sunday should be a day where respect is upheld, a ceasefire so to speak, but it will happen again in the future from both sides.
Sydney!
I think anyone being disrespctful to any tragedy at a football game should have their right to watch and enjoy live football taken away from them.
RMD
Couldn't agree more. This isnt about Liverpool and Manchester United. It is about something much more important than that.
TK-Red
Kloot,
I can guarantee within 5 minutes of kick off or before, they will be singing Fergies right your fans are S....e and all the obscenities will fly. They can't resist it. Fergie doesn't help the situation by mentioning it
Mike the Moston Red
Mike the Moston Red referring to United fans as "your" fans? Something isnt right here.
TK-Red
Oh I see now. Serves me right for reading after a few beers.
TK-Red
Liverpool fan here and just want to say I hope that the sick abuse from both sets of fans ends now. Only absolute persons chant about Munich or Busby. Sir Matt Busby captained our team and fought for the Kings Liverpool regiment in WW2. True Liverpool fans know this and we feel your pain at the huge loss he, your club and the football world suffered. Testament to your fans and club is how you recovered and that deserves respect. I love the banter our two great teams can enjoy but theres times when persons bring up painful memories and that is sickening and we hope its gone. You will be slaughtered in the press if anything gets chanted, the game will sour and no one wants to see that. Justice for the 96 and RIP Busby Babes
19 Sep 2012 14:19:09
time to put last seasons europe blunders to bed and play like champions once again tonight COME ON UNITED!!
1991devil
19 Sep 2012 14:06:22
Young is definitely out apparently so Valencia will have to come in. I think Carrick will sit out of this one along with Scholes and Ferdinand. Unless we see Carrick partner Evans to guarantee Ferdinand and Vidic being fit for the weekend? Reports suggest Rooney isn't ready, but could he make the bench? I imagine the manager would want him to get 20 minutes before the Liverpool game. I think the manager will stick with Buttner after his good performance against Wigan. I think DDG will play ahead of Lindegaard who will play against Liverpool. I expect Kagawa & RVP will start after being left out against Wigan. I have a feeling Anderson will partner Cleverley in the middle, nothing points to this but just have a hunch. Could be well off here, but I think this could be the starting line-up.
___________DDG
Rafa___Evans___Vida(c)___Butt
____Cleverley___Anderson
TonyV_____Kagawa_____L.Nani
_________Van Persie
Lindegaard | Ferdinand | Carrick | Scholes | Rooney/Powell | Hernandez | Welbeck
Banter please Ed.
Sydney!
.............DDG
Raf..........ferdy.......vidic.......buts
..............clevs.....carrick.........
Toni..............kagawa............welbeck
....................RVP
jred
DDG
Raf - Evans - Vidic - Evra
Clev - Paul
Toni - Kagawa - Nani
RVP
B
Oops, three wrong :(
Sydney!
19 Sep 2012 14:06:04
IS CRISTIANO RONALDO HAPPY
so we find out why ronnie is not happy, he wants a pay rise , and not just because of spains new tax-laws. ronnie wants to get 25 million pounds a year , or 480.000 a week , and i have heard when he was at utd, every season he was asking for a pay-rise , yes every year while he was on good contracts with utd , he moaned and moaned at saf and gill for more money , now i know most of you utd fans think he wants back to utd, nothing could be futher from the truth , he does not, the money is not there at utd even if you did want him, and his buyout clause at r.m , is 791 million , yes thats right , 791 million , - near man utds total debt lol, so there you go utd fans, you can put this one to bed , stop dreaming..............lfc
Oh lfc shut up. You've been coming on this page for nearly 2 years and you have been talking bulls**t for the entirety. £791million is near our £360million debt? You're not very bright are you.
TK-Red
Total debt is £369m goober.
Ronaldo had to contract extensions in six years. Once in 2005 and again in 2007.
Sydney!
Total debt is £360m.
G.A.G.U.S
Why do you waste your time telling us something we already know? Go worry about your own "club".
-JakeW
How is 437m close to 791m?
Red Joe
SORRY, my mistake , the utd debt is not near that, its only 440 million , thats peanuts really , to some lol................lfc
Lfc, Gross debt as of June 30th was £436.9m. Since then £68m (IPO cash) has been deducted from that amount so you do the maths.
It's £368.9m by the way.
£369m in debt and paying £49.5m in interest, £49.6m on transfers, £10.7m on IPO costs and still posts a pretax profit. We are light-years ahead of Liverpool lad.
Sydney!
19 Sep 2012 14:04:43
Expect a lot of noise and atmosphere from the Turks tonight judging by the noise they are making in Piccadilly Gdns this lunchtime. I AM KLOOT
We'll get em kloot dont worry lad
Fair play to them - the Turks make for a brilliant atmosphere anytime I've watched us against any of their teams.
StevieK
19 Sep 2012 13:56:28
How can anybody be happy with the latest set of accounts! It baffles me. Im by no way intelligent and to be honest cant make out what most of it means. However, i do understand that we as fans are paying for someone else to own an asset the size of Manchester United. We pay the interest, we pay the debt, the glazers walk away with their pockets lined. Please dont come on here saying your happy with the figures, you have just accepted it. It was bad enough when the club took away the 'football club' on the badge. The last thing we need is to accept Manchester United is a business, its our football club. Who cares if net profits are up or down by x %, or marketing has risen, i couldnt give a monkeys. I want my football club to be a football club. The glazers dont, all they want is our money. Hate them. Rant over!
Bodgerico
So if you don't accept Manchester United is a business then what do we do?
We have to be a business to be successful, City is a business, Chelsea are a business. For FFP revenues are going to have to be high, and they are.
You start by saying you don't understand the figures and then ignore what people have said about them and come up with your own opinion based on what, a hatred of the Glazers?
You did not need the latest accounts to know that we are paying for someone else to own our club, hate that by all means, I think we all do, but most have learnt to accept it as we do not have the money to challenge them and take back our club.
If you have no interest in the business side and you don't care about the marketing etc then surely your 'football club' is exactly that, a football club. They play football twice a week and you watch them on the tv. So I am unsure what your issue is with the current accounts without this just being the same old Glazer rant that we all know?
GDS
Of course they bought us for financial gain, of course it's not good that £50m a year leaves the club via interest/fee etc, but facts remain football clubs are football teams on the pitch, businesses of the pitch. Our finances aren't perfect, but we ARE in a strong position and the figures ARE good.
Sydney!
19 Sep 2012 12:19:56
Between Isco and Munian who can be the best replacement for Nani?
Wilson
I watch a lot of Spanish football and have to say isco solely on attitude as munian is a little rat. He has a very nasty side to his game. Just go back to the olimpics and Spain's final game in the lasts minutes of the game he barged the ref and then later stamped on a oppo player twice. Both players are quality and I go see them going far but for me i would take isco. A d might be a little cheaper due to Malagasy money troubles.
Robbie B
Muniain.
G.A.G.U.S
I would love Isco as Nani replacement, men the guy is wow! He can dribble with ball glued to his feet, with balance and stamina. I love the boy guys.
SAMFORD01
Muniain!
He's got flair and so much passion when he plays.
You can see he gives he's all for the team.
Would be a very dedicated player IMO.
Nik Legend SA
Isco a fabregas type player from what i heard
munian considered as next messi
so munian will be the replacement for nani in my opinion
19 Sep 2012 12:05:29
(Banter please ED)
i think we will go with this team tonight.
_________de gea________
rafael__ferdy__evans__evra
_____carrick__scholes_____
valencia__kagawa__Luisnani
__________RVP__________
Then this for liverpool.
_______lindegaard_________
rafael__ferdy__vidic__buttner
_____carrick___anderson___
valencia___________LuisNani
_____VPersie__welbeck_____
JK92
Just to add, if young and rooney are fit for liverpool then i think young will play ahead of nani and rooney instead of welbeck.
JK92
I wouldnt play anderson against Liverpool dockers let alone there 1st team..i think you will find possibly cleverley or scholes
stockport red
I wouldnt play anderson against Liverpool dockers let alone there 1st team..i think you will find possibly cleverley or scholes
stockport red
Scholes and carrick always get caught in possesion against liverpool because of their pressing and desire to beat us, its nt scholes type of match now with his age...i would like to see anderson given a game here because he can break fast like yaya last night. also because im sick of being on the fence about him myself so if he gets a run of games this season we can finally decide whether he can make his mark or get off the park
1991devil
19 Sep 2012 11:59:40
from some reports, rooney could be on the bench tonight and is ready to start the weekend, seriously quick recovery time for such a bad cut,
RVP and rooney up front for the weedend, fingers crossed!
fullback
19 Sep 2012 09:50:34
No idea why people get annoyed when we praise Ronaldo on here (e.g. last night). He was a great player who one day might come back. Ronaldo was a great servant to the club and helped us win everything that there was to win AND now he has shot down City. Nothing wrong with saying thank you for that. It would have been awful to see City beat Madrid at the Bernabeau! VIVA RONALDO!
RedDevil19
It would of been good for english football
jred
Can understand you lot likeing the fact that city got beat. But some of your fans have been laughing at the fact that the spainish police were attacking city fans. what is funny about that. Its no wonder you have such a bad rep.
City Blue
City Blue,
Show me somewhere on this site where people laughed at that? I haven't searched the whole site but I can't see it. If you have a problem complain at the people doing it now at innocent people.
The Spanish police attack city fans, so lets have a go at united, petty and pathetic.
GDS
I notice no reports of the Munich chants last night.
G.A.G.U.S
To Cityblue, grow up!
Not seen anything on any of the banter pages about it mate so cant say i know what your on about.....by the way the reason we have a bad rep and are hated is cos we are man united and we are the most successful club in england
1991devil
19 Sep 2012 07:49:15
utd will play 4-4-2 vidic and rio evra and rafael kagawa and scholes in the middle val. and young rvp and welbeck up top
No they wont.
Mick
Oh yes they will!
19 Sep 2012 02:29:33
Casillas was embarrassingly bad today. Just another example of overrated Spanish keepers. For a long time Ive felt both Reina and Casillas were vastly overrated, and today was proof. Hart was poor too, but both of City's goals were on Casillas. Dzeko passed it on the floor, to the middle of the net, with his side foot, from 20 yards out! Meanwhile DDG is underrated, thanks to those couple of blunders early last season. But Im fine with that. His performances matter more than his reputation. -KG
In my opinion Casillas has been consistently the best keeper in the world for about 5 years. Of course there have been some greats still playing during that time such as VDS Kahn and Lehman as well as the great pretenders in Reina Caesar and Valdes. Ok he had a bad game last night, and to be fair hasn't played great so far this season but i still would easilly rate him in the top 3 in the world.
Paso