Manchester United Banter Archive August 01 2018

 

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01 Aug 2018 19:45:15
TO any of the Ed's whom may have knowledge of the subject. With todays media reports regarding the potential of us fining Anthony Martial 2 weeks wages for 2 weeks missed, due to the attendance of his childs birth.

Being a UK based company, with every male legally allowed 2 weeks maternity, surely it's legally impossible for us to fine him?

Cheers.

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{Ed002's Note - I have not heard of any such stories.}

01 Aug 2018 19:53:03
Yeah, a load of cobblers.

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01 Aug 2018 20:56:08
99.9% of storires are just click bait. FAKE NEWS all around us.

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We all read them but know most of them are nonsense.
As a general rule of thumb mpez you are broadly correct.
There is a legal obligation to give Paternity leave as long as it has been applied for in writing and agreed. The dates agreed can be subject to change due to any extraordinary circumstance.
However you cants just go awol ( i'm not suggesting martial has done) . In the normal course of events your direct report (or / and) the HR manager would be aware of leave or extended leave asked for or granted.

Im quite sure martial contacted whoever he needed to and someone was aware within the club of his whereabouts.


I think there is probably a bit of posturing going on and both player and manager trying to force a sale.

Who really wants him? And at what price?
Ed002 said in the sharkpod that the club have avoided using players in part exchange and that we may have to re-think that strategy.
Do any of the clubs interested in martial have players we want?
Very little time left as i'm sure those deals have increased complexity.
Is it too late for a dramatic kiss and make up and for martial to lead us to the title?
Im not sure how this one will end up.
I don't suppose spurs would pay 20m plus toby 😤.

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01 Aug 2018 23:30:59
Fake news that people jumped all over .
Really hope the lad reaches his potential at United.

Can understand the supports who are so desperate to get shot of him .
But I suppose it helps for the I told you so .

Young lad only 22 who many at the club think has the potential to be one of the best in the world .
Then read some of the comments below .
He could be what KDB was to Chelsea.

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02 Aug 2018 00:07:44
He could be Jred. But the club have given Jose a long contract, and he doesn’t rate the lad. If we start the season with Pogba and Martial in the squad, they won’t be happy, Jose won’t be happy, and this could have a knock on effect with the squad. There’s no guarantee that they’ll want to stay either if Jose leaves.

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02 Aug 2018 00:16:36
So obviously Martial's partner had complications during childbirth that's why he couldn't come back early.

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02 Aug 2018 06:02:17
Yes lots of click bait people swallow. Kovecic turning united down stories, fifa wc best 11's it doesn't matter what it is people still get sucked in or as you say jump all over it.
Half it is because they often just make up what they think some folk want to read.

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02 Aug 2018 09:02:49
Ken lol I asked a question about kovecic, I also thought he was mentioned on the sharkpod.

The abuse from the usally suspect tho to jump all over a United player yesterday .

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02 Aug 2018 09:25:25
jred, i like the lad and yes he is young but it is time for him to show it.

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01 Aug 2018 19:40:20
Is it just me or does anybody else see that there is nothing special about Saw, the only access he has before now was speed which is no longer there so am struggling to see what he is good at, just my personal opinion.

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01 Aug 2018 20:01:03
He Cuts in brilliantly.

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01 Aug 2018 20:08:01
see saw - yeh he is a little up and down but give him time.

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01 Aug 2018 21:10:42
Ive lost faith in shaw to be honest.
But you have to be fair to him.
He can't be truly judged until he has played 6 to 10 consecutive games. He has been out either injured or just not selected for 4 full seasons.
He should get a chance at the begining of the season if he does well young could end up rb with captain tony and dalot out. He is saying all the right things let's see if he can turn it around and earn his new contract.
Like many i have my doubts but its only 1 person he needs to convince and that's the manager. He will win his trust if he plays as well as he talks. If he comes in plays well stays fit and brings a new dynamic to that left hand side then he will prove his doubters wrong me included.

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01 Aug 2018 23:32:44
Has the talent .
Has the ability
Lad needs a run of games .

Outstanding in the youth, he will prove the haters wrong.

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02 Aug 2018 00:05:27
Jred haters is not the right term. Just because some people don't rate a player you do doesn't mean they hate him. and i agree he does get the brunt of a lot of jibes but nobody really hates any player none of us even know them.
He has been a disapoointment to many since he was a world record fee for a teenager.
He has been very unlucky with injury but also has not helped himself at times either.
Lets hope he gets the run of games that i agree he needs and can provide the solution to that dormant left hand side. If he comes in and provides the dynamic we have been missing the manager will be delighted i'm sure. i'm a doubter but if he is in the team playing well contributing and improving (like lukaku did throughout the season) i won't take much convincing. The door could be open for him let's hope if he does get the chance he grabs it and its the making of him.

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02 Aug 2018 00:17:51
That's 3-7 more games then Ken.

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02 Aug 2018 00:28:12
Disagree jred. Watch him carefully. He hasn't the talent or ability. Or a football brain.

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02 Aug 2018 09:08:38
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I disagree pal, there is a reason United bought him and he was playing for England at 18 .
Lost his way a bit especially after the injury but the talent is there . Needs a run of games tho .

KEN
I disagree people come on a website slagging certain players off day after day year after year. It's a bit sad they would rather a long player left so they could say I told u so .
As if that's important, seem to be many? Hope the lad does well but you can see yourself and many really hope he fails .
There are some who just don't think he is good enough AAA for example but then there are other that just hate on certain players.

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02 Aug 2018 09:30:18
Did you hate ibra. i doubt it you even know him but you didn't want him and called it out all the time.
Double stabdards jred.
Same for bastian.
No issue with it you were just giving your opinion although they were players managers wanted desperately.
You called sanchez out as being poor a couple of weeks ago for his outrageous cost. Shaw was a world record at the time and he has been a big disapointment to many considering the cost its no different. He has not delivered anything like he should have for 4 years but because you think he is going to be a top player you treat him differently to players you didn't want. He has failed so far. Looks like he will get another chance he has to take this one. i'm sure if he does and excels he will change peoples opinion about him. I don't think he is good enough but if he proves he is then fair play to him.
Every single player is only as good as his last season so a lot of our players have lots to prove and shaw is one.

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02 Aug 2018 09:46:09
Ken
Not at all pal I don't think spending big on aging big names is the way to build a team but I certainly don't post day after day insulting things about ibra .
Did Shaw play well for example last week . Not imo or in many others but that's not the same as you and a few others who spend day after day looking for a reason to slag certain players off above and beyond performance .
I didn't call Sanchez out for his outrages cost I pointed out the club and board were clearly backing the manager and providing funds, as could be seen by Sanchez being the highest paid player in the history of the EPL.

If Shaw proves a few wrong most will be happy but there will be a few who just move there hate on to the next target .

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02 Aug 2018 12:05:53
Again jred hyberbole with the hate word.
It sums up your mentality and you are usually first in with the 'i told you so's' its the way you think and act.
If shaw plays well and we are winning and he is contributing then great i'm sure everyone will be deighted if he has another season like the last 4 then what's the point in him being here contributing little or nothing.
Not everyone in the squad needs to be a worldie but they should be making a contribution when called on. Shaw did ok last season when called upon but nothing like what he should be delivering for a world record fee.
Lets see if he turns out to be a success I've no issue with him getting another chance i just don't believe he will take it.
Not sure how many times you posted rose has only ever had 2 good seasons well that's 1 more than shaw. He is in last chance saloon at united if he takes the chance then everyone is a winner if he doesn't then we have to move on 5 years is a long time for a world record signing to try and win a place in the team.
Coleman had a leg break equally as bad and he came back flying. I know every player is different but patience has been shown by the club 4 years its time for him to deliver and repay the club by playing well.

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02 Aug 2018 12:48:31
Ken yawn . If it isn't Rooney it's the wig or martial. You just move from 1 to the next .
Constant abuse (often not footy related ) followed by I support the player?
A small bit of click bait about martial yesterday and look how quick the usally suspects were all over it like a rash and so. e of the comments .
If Shaw plays well judging by the comments yourself and others constantly make I would be amazed if some fans would be happy.
The hate word isn't my mentality it's how a few of yous come across.

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02 Aug 2018 16:33:55
No body hate Saw, is just that Fb in this modern days do more than just defending, which we can’t even say he is very good at it, fb this days support attack, make crosses, dribbled etc i understand he needs game time and bla bla but to me game time can only improve a player and gives a player more experience to deal with situations but you most have the talent, mentality and the brain to be able to improve with game time, so the big question is doses he?

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01 Aug 2018 19:08:14
Personally hope we stay with a 352. A front two of Rashford and lukaku with Sanchez in behind could be frightening.

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01 Aug 2018 19:18:15
Id sooner have sanchez and lukaku. Sanchez has looked awesome up top in these friendlies.

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01 Aug 2018 21:25:15
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Sorry couldn't resist.

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01 Aug 2018 22:26:55
Tremendous banter that.

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01 Aug 2018 18:52:28
Chaps,

Wondering what you think the shape of the team will be this season? Our best performance was last night in the 3-5-2 and it makes so much sense with this squad. We have a few, dodgy, central defenders. Need to play three in midfield and have the options to do that. Two dodgy full backs in Young and Valencia also and the. Lukaku and Sanchez up front. Sanchez through the middle is his preferred position.

Thoughts?

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01 Aug 2018 19:03:16
We will play 4231 or 433.

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01 Aug 2018 19:32:48
Agree with jred but he does play 3 occasionally and will i'm sure do it from time to time if he feels its right.
You could well see 3 at three back for the first couple of weeks until he gets his preferred personnel back like young and valencia and matic jessie rash and lukaku.
Im not that bothered which formation to be honest.

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01 Aug 2018 18:40:08
Apart from the world cup games anyone anything else about mina we are intrested in never seen anything of him till the wc.

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01 Aug 2018 18:53:34
I hope not - absolute arse based on the England game.

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01 Aug 2018 18:55:47
He’s not better than what we already have. Rather see Tuanzebe and fosu mensah get a chance.

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01 Aug 2018 18:57:41
i hope we stay clear.

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01 Aug 2018 19:15:03
I'm certainly not pro Mina but how Many of you said the same of Eric Bailly it's no wonder we get labelled toxic fans when we criticise a player before they've kicked a ball for us.

I think we will strike a deal with spurs for Alderweireld in my opinion and he is my no.1 choice over all others.

That being said if it's Yerry Mina who arrives I certainly won't judge until he's kicked a ball for us.

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01 Aug 2018 19:16:35
I like tuanzebe but from what I've watched of these pre season games he's not ready yet.

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01 Aug 2018 19:19:14
Looks like we're getting closer to him I carnt comment on him never seen him play.

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01 Aug 2018 19:40:28
Lets hope so Dave. Toby is excellent and i thin k bailley and lindelof will learn plenty and will enjoy playing with him.
We desperately need that talker and organiser at the back. Lindelof and bailley are only 23 that's a baby for the cb position. They will both benefit hugely from playing with toby.
Mina looks like more of the same as we have but I've not seen enough of him to form any sort of informed opinion to be honest.
Id swap toby for martial if it were possible. It might allow us get a lb too if its not too late.

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01 Aug 2018 19:48:38
He reminds me of Bailly in that he is very raw, not as good though. For me, he is around the same level as Maguire only younger and cheaper. I'd still be hoping for better with Alderweireld or Varane.

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01 Aug 2018 21:08:46
Maybe swap Shaw for toby.

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02 Aug 2018 02:07:33
I think Mina looks like a very very good player. He was excellent at the world cup, he is tall, pace, good in both boxes on corners, for a big lad he can also play with his feet.

The prices for Toby and Maguire are silly money. Mina could be a very good piece of business if the prices reported are anything like true.

I agree Toby would be first choice - for experience and leadership - but o would not be unhappy at Mina.

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01 Aug 2018 18:18:25
Martial's Twitter post- Thank you all for your posts. My little Swan is fine, for the mom it was harder but thanks to God she's better now. Sorry but my family will always come first. Back tomorrow in Manchester.

This should put the whole fine and other nonsense to bed, for once i respect mourinho for his statements to the ABU media.

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01 Aug 2018 18:44:03
Csm
Well said nothing more I. portant than family.

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01 Aug 2018 19:00:56
Think that should calm thinga down a bit. I doubt it however.

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01 Aug 2018 19:11:26
And that's only among some of the posters on here, DSG. The lynch-mob were out in force earlier.

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Jack Charlton

01 Aug 2018 17:30:45
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Jack Charlton

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01 Aug 2018 17:50:05
Great article ed001

Be interested to have seen it also go into his management.

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{Ed001's Note - that is just his player profile mate. I am just about to start the article on his whole life that accompanies it for the Legends of the Game series I have been doing. I always try and do a player profile to accompany it so that those who haven't seen them play get an idea of what they were like as a player.}

01 Aug 2018 19:56:33
That'd be great ed001.

Being Irish, on a results basis, it was great to get a QF of a world cup but the price we paid for the football he made us play. We had a great team back in the 90s and not only did he make them play terrible football but die to the 'Good results' 2 generations of coaches and players used to scream 'kick it up to the big fella'. And now we wonder why we don't have any really technically astute players.

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{Ed001's Note - he took over a team with good players, but no teamwork and an inferiority complex. He fixed that first and foremost but the players coming through, when he should have been looking to improve the style of play were not good enough to do so. It is a shame he never had it the other way round, taking over the lesser players and the better ones coming through for either him to improve the style or a following manager to take it on if Jack was unable to. He specialised in building a team and bringing the players together like a family.}

01 Aug 2018 17:22:39
Today is an excellent show of what we are getting with Fred. A flair player who I hope get his chance to play game his way, rather Jose selected moves and area restrictions.
And with this I will give a wild shout that we should consider Isco for right side attack position. excellent touch, flair and technical ability makes him one of a kind. He will surely score and create a hot than our current option of Mata and Lingard.

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01 Aug 2018 17:35:20
Fred had an excellent game especially in first half. I would love isco at our club.

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01 Aug 2018 15:55:19
Re a post down below by Ken. I thought we played well gor 40mins. Then Real second team played us off the park in the 2nd half. Anyone watching the match with an unbiased eye will have to agree.
Thought Fred was excellent, as was Sanchez.
My question is, if the preseason doesn't matter, then why didn't we bring on more kids in the second half. Gomes and Chong would've added energy. Real didn't hedirate to stick their kids on the pitch.
Final word, i watched luke shaw's performances in preseason, and he really is not up to the job. Left back position has to be looked at.

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01 Aug 2018 16:21:28
Agree on Luke shaw AAA. It’s time to move him on because if we play 3 at the back then the wing backs are so integral. Would prefer we address the lb position rather than cb as lindelof can do a job.

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01 Aug 2018 16:22:38
Lol we know your disappointed with any win AAA but you will get over it😂😂.

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01 Aug 2018 16:43:12
Lolll. AAA i think you got a thing or two for kids.

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01 Aug 2018 16:45:05
Get rid of Shaw and Martial. I just can't believe Shaw has such a thick skin, he knows the manager don't want him and should just leave. I actually think he doesn't care if he plays or not, he is one of those guys which just wants to play for a big club and not caring about how he performs or even play a game.

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01 Aug 2018 17:58:39
Agreed Park. His first touch is so poor and if you watch his positioning is dreadful.
Singh, I've got grandchildren as old as these lot, but i grew up with the Busby Babes and that's what the club is all about.
Ken, if you read my post, i said we played very well for 40mins. If you honestly think I'm only happy when we lose, then i think you are extremely misinformed. I've got United in my blood, you only need to ask the wife and she'll confirm that. I'm so passionate about our club and team being the best, that i hate being second best. Unfortunately, i don't just wear blinkers and see only the good things. If you can't see the faults, then the club will continue the stagnant period we're going through at present.

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01 Aug 2018 18:02:04
It’’s possibly his very thick skin that makes him look so fat.

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01 Aug 2018 19:00:19
Hahahaaa AJH. Okay AAA i agree with u but these kids are not made from the same cloth as they were in those days.

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01 Aug 2018 19:09:35
Dont doubt it AAA. That's why there was an lol and a couple of laughing faces.

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02 Aug 2018 09:22:31
Agreed on Shaw, he can't be classed as talent any more and nowhere else but football would someone be given so many chances.

You have to question if the club are doing their due diligence on player's behaviour and personalities given the suggested attitude problems that some of our recent signings have. I'm sure the club are everything they need to, but I don't recall a time where we as fans questioned a number of player's commitment.

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01 Aug 2018 12:13:18
Seems Martial is getting fined for not turning up for training at Carrington. Only one way this is going to turn out now, terrible shame if this lad doesn't make the most of his talents somewhere, but I can see his career going the shape of the pear.

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01 Aug 2018 12:31:16
Very unprofessional of him.

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01 Aug 2018 12:36:12
All his own fault. Too fond of sulking rather than working.

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01 Aug 2018 13:13:58
Has he actually been fined? All i can find is speculation of a possibility of a fine.

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01 Aug 2018 13:15:07
He is clearly talented but seems to have a questionable attitude (putting it kindly) . The price paid at the time seemed a risk and the fact nobody seems to want to buy him suggests his reputation goes before him. Either that or we are asking silly money, but then everyone seems to be doing that nowadays.

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01 Aug 2018 13:29:18
If it's true then it's a terrible shame. He might not be happy and he might want to leave, but there is the right way and the wrong way about exiting a club.

Tony, apparently there is loads of interest, Barcelona, Juventus, Real Madrid, Bayern, PSG, Chelsea and Spurs have shown varying levels of interest. However, we aren't interested in selling unless it's for a fee north of 70m. Which is what is putting teams off.

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01 Aug 2018 13:46:03
Not sure there is much interest. Tabloids linked a few clubs with him but no offers.
Same tabloids that you say not to believe when they link uz with every player. Do we only believe the tabloids and click bait on out going players?

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01 Aug 2018 14:10:33
Ken, Ed002 has said several teams are interested but not at the price we keep quoting.

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01 Aug 2018 14:24:49
The sooner he is gone the better for all concerned if he is not acting professionally.

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01 Aug 2018 14:48:20
Tevez, Balotelli, and now Martial all quality but . 😆😆.

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01 Aug 2018 14:49:28
If this is true then get rid of him. He isn't anything special from what i have seen of him so far. One great goal against liverpool was the highlight of his career at our club.

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01 Aug 2018 14:50:20
Shame to see him leave but I hope he goes on to show his undoubted talent elsewhere.

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01 Aug 2018 14:54:47
It was a great goal though Singh.

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01 Aug 2018 15:45:54
it was a brilliant goal but the man himself is a little baby . He thinks he plays for free and is acting like a little child. Get rid of him we won't miss too much when he goes.

Id say get rid of Pogba as well if he doesn't want to be here. We need to move on from these two players and buy players that are willing to fight for the spot and manager.

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01 Aug 2018 15:54:50
I do agree Singh on martial. His attitude is a major concern and no point keeping someone who doesn’t want to be here. Pogba on the other hand I would be gutted to see go. I know he wants out and the club and manager are happy to facilitate it should the right offer come, I worry we will regret it. He will become the best midfielder in the world imo.

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01 Aug 2018 16:47:06
Park,

Th3re are a lot motr midfielders then Pogba out there. Juet look at Savic and Verrati. If a player doesn't want to play just get rid of him . It is not the end of the world, players will come and go.

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01 Aug 2018 17:28:57
To much reported and said during this Saga since long. he is a fan favourite because of his direct comparison with The great Thiery Hanrey, and his goal vs Liverpool. He has done well in his first season as CF but after he have been moved to wings, he started suffering. mostly the reason being lack of support from wing backs. So mentally this has stuck kids mind heavily and with over frustration he has lost it. Now in present scenario he doesn't see United playing according to his suitable style he is getting wasted on bench as result. So he has made up his mind to leave. And at this stage, he should leave as well and make something of his career.

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01 Aug 2018 17:50:51
Absolutely nothing confirmed but the haters are out in force getting excited over a bit of click bait .

Support the team . Man United not Jose United.

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01 Aug 2018 19:36:04
Never seen what the big fuss about Martial is. If anything, he’s blocking the path for more committed young players in the youth set ups who actually want to be at the club.

If we get just north of what we paid for him then we will be doing well.

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01 Aug 2018 11:15:24
Looks like Pogba has met with Barcelona. Eds, how much are Utd looking to get for him and would it all be reinvested in the squad?

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{Ed002's Note - I am not going to get in to the money.}

01 Aug 2018 11:56:51
If Pogba goes then the club is in one hell of a mess . The guys face is everywhere and wearing our great shirt. What is going on at board level the mind boggles. We should be building a team around him and if it were me I'd make him captain. You just watch Barcelona sign him when our window is shut 😲😲.

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{Ed002's Note - Players are no more than transient employees of the club. Having his photograph on posters doesn't matter at all. The club will let him keep the shirt.}

01 Aug 2018 12:21:39
If Pogba leaves,

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01 Aug 2018 12:48:35
If he doesn't want to be here or wants to leave then he should go. Ed has explained that's the case so its not like he's being forced out by Jose or the board. Its sad that he doesn't want to be here but if its for personal reason then there's nothing we can do. If he thinks we can't match his ambitions that's a different matter. As long as we get a replacement in.

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{Ed002's Note - The club are happy for him to move on - hence his agent looking for another club for him.}

01 Aug 2018 13:15:21
Pogba isn’t happy here, Jose isn’t happy with Pogba, the club are happy for him to move, his agent is trying to get him a move. If he gets a move, Jose might get to bring in a player more to his liking.

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01 Aug 2018 13:15:54
Ed, interesting that you say ‘the club’, as opposed to ‘the Manager’. Is there a specific reason the club are happy for him to go?

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{Ed002's Note - You have all struggled with the entire situation - I have had abuse and been called a liar by some oif the trash on here which is why I am going to be giving a little less going forward. I have explained the situation with Pogba since day one and am pretty much sick of it. Quite frankly I hope the club end up stuck with him next season and they don't get who they want added.}

01 Aug 2018 14:08:38
can’t understand why anyone would not believe you Ed, I wouldn’t lose any sleep over Pogba going.

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01 Aug 2018 14:12:40
No excuse for abuse Ed, they need to be banned, I must have missed if there was a particular issue. I realise that players are transient employees, wasn’t sure if there was a specific issue I had missed.

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{Ed002's Note - It is beginning to get toward hopeless again. It is nothing to do with you but the whole matter has been done to death.}

01 Aug 2018 14:54:11
He didn't wamt us in the first place. He isn't happy, jose isn't happy with him. You guys are too emotional when it comes to players. No one bigger then the club, If we can get rid of him and get a replacement then it is good for the club.

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01 Aug 2018 14:54:21
I think its because he wanted Madrid but they wouldn't meet the asking price and only we did.

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01 Aug 2018 15:45:14
He wanted a move to Spain, and I think that he, his agent, and the club thought that he would raise his status (plus wages, and value) here and get his move in a few seasons. That hasn’t happened, and now it’s a case of his agent convincing a club to stump up a big fee for him.

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01 Aug 2018 16:38:43
I couldn't care less who leaves tbh I'm more interested in the ones who stay I have seen a lot better players than pogba and martial leave the club and will probably see a lot more.

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01 Aug 2018 16:54:05
Exactly Deano!

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01 Aug 2018 17:52:55
If Jose isn't happy either should he leave?

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01 Aug 2018 18:02:28
Ed 02 don't want to dwell on it to much but can I ask why the club want to get rid off pogba .
Looks a talented lad, good age must be good commercially why are the club looking to sell him.

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{Ed002's Note - RTP.}

01 Aug 2018 18:47:06
Ed02 don't want to be a pain but I really can't find it .
I understand the club are willing to let him leave but I can't find any info as to why .
Is it ability, attitude or does the lad just want to leave.

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{Ed002's Note - I am done with the whole matter.}

01 Aug 2018 19:20:20
Without the players who've played for us over the years, where would our memories come from? It's the players who have us on the edge of our seats, score thrilling last minute goals, crunching last-ditch tackles. That's we get emotionally tied to them, Singh. Football is an emotional sport. You don't bring your kid to watch the manager for his first game. I'm well aware they maybe don't have the same loyalty to the club as I do, but every single player has added something to our rich history, good or bad. That's why I hate the term, 'deadwood' as well.

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01 Aug 2018 19:25:26
I know what your saying Noucamp but soem of the players we are talking about have only been here for last 2 or three years. Look at Pogba, Martial and Shaw. They are new at the ckub who are not even English. They don't care about the club, they just care about the money. Football has changed and fans need to change too. Footballers don't have the same passion as they once did about any specific club.

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{Ed025's Note - what makes you think shaw is not english singh?..

01 Aug 2018 19:28:04
Deano
The problem is people don't even support the players that DO want to stay at the club .
Honestly it seems a lot don't actually support the team or the players they are more interested in who we buy and players at different clubs .

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01 Aug 2018 19:45:41
Sorry i missed that, he is english.

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{Ed025's Note - as roast beef mate...dont worry about it..

01 Aug 2018 20:42:34
Herrera and Mata are two of the players in our squad who 'get' United, more than most. Being English doesn't matter.

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02 Aug 2018 09:24:49
Pogba looks happy . He has his best buddies playing in the team (Lukaku Lingard ) the signing of Fred is hopefully going to let us see the pogba of Juventus. Why look to leave it just doesn't seem to add up. He shown the world he was happy with some of his performances in Russia. Bùt if he wants out then so be it . Very strange 😆😆.

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01 Aug 2018 09:49:57
So Jose has said TFM is a right back should get a chance start of the season, not a shinny new player but I hope he does well .
No mention of pogba?

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01 Aug 2018 10:43:04
Some fans have been crying out for the likes of TFM, Tuanzebe and Periera being more perminent fixtures in the 1st team squad so maybe this transfer window could be a blessing in disguise for the kids. The biggest challenge will be if we have a period of poor results, will José put his trust in the kids to get us out or resort to more senior figures like Fellaini, Jones, Young and Valencia? Currently, i’d Take a season with the kids, putting trust in them and hopefully with the likes of Pogba, Matic, Fred, Sanchez and DDG be strong enough to finish top 4, have a good cup run, even win the FA cup or League cup but be set up strongly for a number of years after.

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01 Aug 2018 11:37:58
I would be pleased to see that jred. Although I don’t think rb is his best position, think Timbo could do well there. Only issue is whether he is good enough going forward.

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01 Aug 2018 12:49:08
I'll take that. Clear a few out and use Timbo an Tuanzebe more.

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01 Aug 2018 13:16:24
Timbo? Is that his new moniker? Surely we can do better than that.

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01 Aug 2018 13:35:05
Think it could catch on Tony 😂.

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01 Aug 2018 14:54:50
I think uts his twitter handle Tony.

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01 Aug 2018 14:56:15
Who knows if the quotes are true or not, but the attitude reportedly of Pereira is both positive and refreshing. Also same of the other "junior" squad members on tour. Also the performances of pereira have been mature and hope the youngun gets opportunities during the season.

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01 Aug 2018 19:39:43
Would love to see TFM get a chance at right back. Big fan of his. Maybe Dalot is in for left back?

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01 Aug 2018 08:55:52
Mmmm a little quiet on here this morning.
Sanchez played well last night
Fred played well for his 1st start.
Overall it was satifactory considering the team available.
I see poch moaning about the transfer window and whinging about it closing early and being at a disadvantage. Not sure he will get as much media attention for his comments.

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01 Aug 2018 09:33:27
I think sanchez has played well all preseason. I'd actually prefer to have him playing to his full potential than have another shiny new player. I think an in form sanchez could be the difference maker and creative spark we need.

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01 Aug 2018 09:34:32
As I mentioned in my post below Jose's comments last night don't fit in with the narrative some are pushing so most of them will be pushed under the carpet. He called the players commitment 'phenomenal' so expecting to see that quote everywhere.

Pre-season results mean nothing but the performances are more important the closer we get to the season and some players look in good form which has to be a positive.

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01 Aug 2018 09:42:59
Beat Madrid all our players must be world class.

Looks like joss has had a dressing down nice to see him change his tune in the press conference.

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01 Aug 2018 09:51:22
Like I said yesterday always 2 sides .
Anything negative is pushed by some and dismissed by others and vice versa.

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01 Aug 2018 09:58:54
Sanchez could be like a nramd new signing this season. It’s amazing what a couple of wins and good performances will do the mood early on.

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01 Aug 2018 10:05:07
Gets a lot of stick our attack but we have some very good players. A match winning Sanchez playing at his best will make a huge difference.

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01 Aug 2018 11:08:32
AJH a couple of wins? 1 win is not a couple. don't let 1 result paint over the cracks in the wall.

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01 Aug 2018 11:14:14
Seosamh,

I think AJH means when we get a couple of wins early on in the season, nobody cares about pre-season results, or at least nobody should care, especially with the teams we had out.

jred, nobody saying all our players are world class, it was a decent performance though which is a positive but still lots of players to come back in who are not going to be up to speed.

One thing I loved last night as they were walking off at half time Sanchez was giving the defence a kick up the arse for the lack of concentration on the goal, he is a born winner and hates losing any game, we need more of that.

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01 Aug 2018 12:00:55
Spot on GDS, if we start well everyone will be buzzing. We played a second string, lost to Liverpool, and it was a disaster. We then beat Madrid with the same team and some press are saying it was because they had their second string out. We really can’t win. SAF used to use this to our advantage, us against the world, let’s hope Jose can do the same.

I know we have some players to shift and some gaps to fill still, I’m not convinced Pogba will be here much longer either, but if the likes of Sanchez, Lukaku, Fred, Matic can hit their A game then it will lift the others. If we do sell Rojo, Darmian, and or Smalling, and possibly Pogba, then I expect we will splash the cash, not always a good thing but if players are unhappy then they need to move.

I suspect the next week will be very busy.

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01 Aug 2018 12:37:01
Let's hope so ajh.

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01 Aug 2018 12:41:13
Pre season is nothing to ever really go by. The real thing about the likes of sanchez is that he will never hit the full potential with the style of play under Jose.

In regards to players being sold and bringing new players in, haven't we been slating liverpool for their spending recently and if we bring in 2 players that will match theirs? If you ask me its all becoming a bit embarrassing.

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01 Aug 2018 13:20:03
I think if the players start to click then Jose will go with the flow. Sanchez could be a game changer; was pants last year but we all know he is much better than we saw in the second half of the season.

I think Jose is obsessed with defence, not always a bad thing, it if Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard, Mata, Rashford, new signing (! ) can hit it off then I don’t see Jose telling the, to stop. Whatever we did last year worked up to a point, perhaps a few changes will push us on.

Listen to me, getting giddy for a new season, I need to have a stern word with myself.

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01 Aug 2018 13:43:41
Tony I think we will surprise a few people this season. We have some very good players and it is jose’s Job to get them playing to their full potential. He hasn’t found a way yet but by improving the midfield and defence it should release the shackles a bit. We lost the midfield battle far too much last season with pogba neglecting his duties and matic being overrun. With Fred/ pereira we will have a nice blend of attack and defence. A fit and firing sanchez playing of Lukaku is mouth watering and I cannot wait to see it in full flow. Things aren’t as awful as they seem and the squad unity looks good. I don’t buy into this notion that criticising in public is bad for morale. It is clear Jose is a completely different person behind doors and that this is just a persona for the media. It’s not always pretty but that’s just his way. I don’t necessarily like some of the comments he makes but I just take them with a pinch of salt. Looking forward to the start of the season.

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01 Aug 2018 14:16:28
Seosam,

I have just looked at your posts and you are negative about the club in every one of them, sounds like you are just trying to troll for the sake of it to be honest. Why is it embarrassing if we sell players and buy new ones to improve the squad? As a fan surely that is what you want.

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01 Aug 2018 14:17:15
It’s interesting Park, you look at how Southgate got the most out of a limited England side, good team spirit, no egos (other than Kane), and perhaps a bit of a shake up might actually have positive results.

I only hope Jose is not as unhappy as he has seems and its just a ploy to get Woody to get his chequebook out.

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01 Aug 2018 14:29:20
I think you are spot on Tony. Perhaps the foundations have been there from last year and we just need one or two more to get us challenging properly. I like the look of the youngsters that seem to be integrating into the squad. I would much rather see the likes of Tuanzebe, pereira, Timbo get a chance to stake a claim rather than spend obscene amounts on squad players who may not even settle. It’s our tradition to develop and promote from within and I think these boys are ready to step up.

There is clear progress but the style is still an issue. I cannot remember the media ever being so negative towards united or a manger. Sure Fergie would have a pop at the media but he pretty much had them in his back pocket. They were almost scared of him. Jose has his own style with the media. Can be very depressing to watch especially after a defeat. But I think we just have to accept the way he is. Clearly the players do respect him and he is building a decent squad. But he needs to get a tune out of our world class players. Let’s see what will happen. Scoring has been a problem for us rather than conceding. I think we will be tough to beat. But I want to see us blow teams away. Not sit back after scoring the first goal and inviting pressure. From the first whistle we should be terrorising the opposition, especially at home. We have the players to do it. Let’s wait and see whether Jose does it.

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01 Aug 2018 14:39:19
GDS2 I am not. I'm not saying its a problem but the embarrassing bit is that the fans and Jose both called Liverpool out on what they've spent and if we buy say 2 more players then well match their spending so what was all the complaining about? that's the embarrassing part of it all. The negativity comes at Jose, he's trying to get himself sacked just like he does at every other club. He was brought in for short term success and stability which has came in the form of second rate trophys but trophys all the same. Now the squad is littered with quite a few 30 somethings and then where does that leave the club after?

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01 Aug 2018 15:02:15
Which 30 somethings did he sign? Are you blaming him on players getting older now year by year?

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01 Aug 2018 15:10:31
Seosamh if you look at the majority of his signings they are young. Only Sanchez, matic and Zlatan were ‘older’ signings. Again this boring narrative that Jose only signs old players is another stick to beat him with.

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01 Aug 2018 15:13:56
Matic, Sanchez, Lee grant, Ibra, he also still plays ashley young, antonio valencia.

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01 Aug 2018 15:37:24
Lee Grant haha the 3rd choice keeper you mean. Whatever will we do when he retires, the club is screwed!

I am confused who has been slagging Liverpool off for spending money, I don't think I have seen anyone doing that, they made the money from selling of their best players so are well within their rights to spend it on new players. I think you might be confusing a bit of banter with what people really think.

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01 Aug 2018 15:48:40
So 4 out of the 9 signings are quite old. that's nearly half. Seosamh makes a good point.

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01 Aug 2018 16:06:51
Attack Attack Attack also mentioned about both flanks its been ageing player. I'v also seen some fans wanting Tony Kroos which is another player who won't have much longer left.

Also the biggest of them all is Sanchez he's a waste of time and effort when things don't go his way he throws his dummies out of the pram and sulks. He should have stayed at Arsenal.

Add into that there is a player called Pogba there who is being wasted in Joses system when other managers have got the best out of him.

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01 Aug 2018 17:59:03
If Jose can get the best out of our players we will be fine .
86 points second in the league last season and yet a lot of our players underperformed last season .
Imagine them playing well .
Lot of silly comments about us having no good players but it's nonsense .
People get more excited over players playing for different teams, see a team playing well and think all there players are world class.

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01 Aug 2018 06:38:00
Missed the game for getting up for work. Anyone able to give a quick review and a few details on how everyone performed?

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01 Aug 2018 08:55:04
First 30 minutes we played with a lot of energy, some really nice play between Sanchez and Mata which ended up leading to the 2nd goal.

When the team was announced it looked like we were going back to 4-4-2 but we actually played 3-5-2 with McTominay on the left of the back 3 with Bailly in the centre and TFM on the right. TFM looked assured in that position and didn't really put a foot wrong, McTominay as you would expect was positionally naive but was fine at bringing the ball out and keeping the ball when needed.

De Gea had little to do, his kicked wasn't great but it was his first game so understandably rusty, he couldn't do anything about the goal, though you never know sometimes with De Gea he can save them.

Fred was decent, nothing special from him but good in possession, did his defensive work well and has bags of energy, hopefully more to come from him but the early signs are positive. Herrera was the furthest forward of the midfield 3, got the goal and it was probably his best all round performance of the tour, he has been poor.

Darmian was ok, probably better than Shaw, but the wing backs are our real weakness in this formation, I am still not sure we can play it unless we have 2 players that can play these roles properly.

As mentioned above Sanchez was the best player by a mile, still running with the same energy at the end as he was at the start, a clever run for his goal and very good headed assist for Herrera's goal, if he starts the season in this form we are going to have some player on our hands, one who can drag us through some games single-handedly, like a new signing after how poor he was last season, he looks happy and settled now.

Quick note on Madrid, they had quite a few players missing despite most of their squad being there and brought some big players on late on who could have got them back in the game while we were tired but we held firm which was good to see. They have some player on their hands in young Vinicius Junior, his stepovers and bursts of pace reminded me of Ronaldo at the same age, his decision making also, he is still young and green but he could end up a world beater and you can see why they have spent upwards of £40m on someone so young.

Hopefully this gives you a general idea.

Oh and also, Jose was very positive about the players afterwards saying how he already knows they will run themselves into the ground for this great club. The headline on Sly though:

Jose: I learnt nothing.

I would definitely read the quotes or watch the interview on this one, it does not fit in with the narrative they are pushing about this tour though hence the headline.

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01 Aug 2018 09:05:37
Sanchez looks very sharp and will be like a new signing. Him and mata linked up beautifully at times. He needs to start centrally off Lukaku and 352 is the way forward with this squad.

Herrera was decent but Fred impressed me a lot today. Very good close control and passing range. He was faultless and a midfield of him pereira/ matic and pogba will be a very creative one.

Great to see bailly given the captain’s armband and nice to see De Gea back in net. This side with everyone back has the potential to be a very good side. A few more additions would really help the situation.

Just wanted to give a quick shout out to darmian. Never been his biggest fan and don’t think he is good enough but his attitude has been exemplary. Wants to leave but has put his head down and worked his socks off. More players could learn from his professionalism.

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01 Aug 2018 09:31:41
Spot on park and gds.
Good call on darmian not a prima donna.

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01 Aug 2018 09:32:33
Thanks fellas, I think Jose is turning us into the undergogs. I read his comments, who knows with a couple of signings the mood from the outside will improve and he could come out fighting at the start.

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01 Aug 2018 09:53:05
I said that last week. Siege mentality starting early. I love that us against the world mentality. Fergie was the master at it.
Its quite obvious to some.

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01 Aug 2018 10:57:19
How does a siege mentality work if you’re criticizing your own players in front of the media?

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01 Aug 2018 11:12:18
Should united really be turned into underdogs? Biggest club in the world accepting being underdogs? Don't think so Caolan_2.

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01 Aug 2018 11:37:33
Seosamh,

It is all mindgames, Fergie was the master of it and Jose was pretty good back in the day, these days a lot of what he tries just gets twisted and turned massively against him unfortunately.

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01 Aug 2018 12:07:55
Simple fact is at the moment we are behind city. So yes we are underdogs.

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01 Aug 2018 12:38:36
We are underdogs what's the problem. Not even 3rd in the betting ergo underdogs.

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Review Of The Day 1st August 2018

01 Aug 2018 06:21:08
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 1st August 2018

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01 Aug 2018 01:37:43
Well that first 30 minutes was a breath of fresh air, maybe we won't gef relegated after all 😉.

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01 Aug 2018 02:01:34
We are lucky to be winning but cannot keep posession of the ball and are defending too deep. Oh well nothing new i guess.

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01 Aug 2018 02:05:54
really good performance so far Sanchez and Mata linking really well and fred looks like he will give us that energy in midfield that we have been missing.

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01 Aug 2018 02:12:10
Reman,

You watching a different game?

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01 Aug 2018 01:33:00
Ribalta has chipped off to st. petersburg-will he be missed? has a great reputation for talent spotting at juve amongst others, is someone else lined up to replace him?

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01 Aug 2018 00:46:28
Has anyone else seen ander's comments on jose and how he understands the managers frustrations?

Reading that i wonder how much is scripted to ease the negative media and how much was ander speaking his mind?

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