Manchester United Banter Archive July 01 2011

01 Jul 2011 23:02:45
Jono I think your assessment of things was spot on. Including your choice of targets. The more I look at vidal the more I like. Was it ten goals and ten assists last season? That's superb for someone that's essentially a defensive mid. I thought pogba and tunni wouldn't be ready yet but the question to that is can we implement them without disrupting continuety of challenging for success? That's for Alex but it would make things interesting. Your assessment of carrick spot on as well. Alex wanted a gattuso and pirlo out of him and hargreaves and it hasn't quite planned out. I think with more time on the ball supplied to him by a good support he will be more forward passing and get back amongst the goals. Excellent post mate. Constantine Red

01 Jul 2011 22:21:29
Just wondering what people make of tunnicliffe going on loan to posh hopefully he'll get some good game time and return with a better knowledge of midfield grafting
georgethebest

01 Jul 2011 21:32:56
A few things tonight.

@ The Red Manc.

I totally agree with your assessment on our defense but disagree on both the Carrick and Rooney points.

First off if we build the team around 1 player then the point you made of free flowing attacking moves like we had 3 years ago wouldn't happen. This is what we have been seeing with Berba as with him isolated and holding the ball the pace slows and momentum halts. If we played with a free moving top 4 of 2 wingers 1 ST and 1 deep ST all bursting forward and supporting then we would see the quick decisive breaks we have been so used to over the last 10 years. We have never relied on 1 player since Eric imo as since then the team as a whole has adapted to the way we play now.

On Carrick, I think he is rated by most on here very well. Imo he would do well in the CM spot, only moving to create space for himself to receive the ball and use his good all round passing range. The prob is when under pressure he tends to not lift his head which for a passing midfielder that's criminal. The comments of backward/sideways passing are spot on in certain games when pressured that's all he does. In comparison to play making CM's like Scholes/Mods/Etc they do move to create the space for themselves and have their head up before they even receive the ball. I know Carrick has been used deeper this year but really that's only because of our lack of a 1st team player that actually plays there naturally. I'm sure all on here would agree Carrick is better slightly further forward than CDM.

On Nasri signing.

I think this would be a cracking signing and certainly one none of us would of predicted at the end of the season. The only thing I'm dissagreeing with is all the people on here saying sign him and thats it all sorted. No we need 2 CM's. 1 who can create (Nasri) and 1 who can defend (I'm always backing Vidal for this one). We have all seen the creative spark missing this year so as we all knew 1 of that type would be needed but the need for an all action defensive minded player to both cover defense and hold position in CM (exactly like Hargo) has been overlooked. We have Fletcher an to a far lesser degree Carrick but this year with missing Hargo and Fletcher our CM was overrun by the likes of Blackpool, Wolves and even Liverpool ha. This imo needs as much addressing as the creative position.

Unless the idea is to just save money and throw Pogba and Tunners in which if we did I would be fully backing either of them ahead of Carrick in that position.

Just my opinion.

Jono

01 Jul 2011 20:34:08
I disagree. We def need another big name striker and let berbie go. Welbeck macheda diouf need progressing further yet and yes id involve them but big games need big players cud you imagine any of diouf welbeck macheda playing against barca last year in CL final. . . . . Theyd of bin lost If we do continue to play lone man in europe up front then id suggest to buy two world class midfielders aswell coz our five man midfield is good but not great. We have alot of good midfielders but no world class midfielders . . . and man utd have always bin a world class team. For me again i continue one CAM and one ST of proven world class ability. TORQS

01 Jul 2011 17:26:18
i see SAF selling players to cut the squad and maybe only 1/2 signings more. oshea brown evans gibson and carrick all to go with 2 cm signing (mvilla sneijder martinez modric)

01 Jul 2011 16:13:06
All this talk of a striker, anyone else think young would be used just off the front man. We've seen hin do it for England and could be effective against certain teams. JF

01 Jul 2011 15:02:16
utd need about 2 or 3 more players 2 midfielders and maybe a right back.
the 2 midfielders should be brought in to utd squad r
Snejder (definatly)
nasri (if we don't get snejder)

the right back sould maybe be lahm from bayern munich off er berbaotov as well.

ed what do you think about this?

01 Jul 2011 13:28:49
""And if they hadn't had the glazers piling debt up we could have spent a lot more still within our means""

@Andy Green has recently worked out how much we would have had to pay in dividends if we were still a PLC, based on 2005's numbers we would be paying out £48m in dividends to investors.

As we would be debt free we would also have to pay far more tax, somewhere in the region of £20m a year more. So that is £68m that we would lose every year if we remained a PLC.

We are currently losing £47m in interest payments. So we would be worst off every season if we remained a PLC. That is as long as the Glazers don't decide to take out dividends on top of this debt, we are better off now, than what we would have been if we remained a PLC.

But I would still prefer to be debt-free and the Glazers not to have come anywhere near our club. So don't start calling me a Glazer fan, I am just stating the facts.

Sydney!

01 Jul 2011 13:10:29
Can anyone CONFIRM (with a reliable source) that we are actually interested in Nasri? As far as I can tell all of this speculation is based on nothing but paper talk.
Eds?
T0MB0Z

01 Jul 2011 12:48:40
Can't see us outbidding City for Nasri. Doubt he will turn down higher wages with them for success with us. He would be my first choice CM signing though, especially at 15m - bargain Would definitely put some fire back in our fixtures with AFC. I rekon this could all be contract tactics from nasri, just wants more money at arsenal. Any truth in these rumours ed? are we genuinely interested/going to bid? {Ed007's Note - I think when a player like Nasri becomes available Utd MUST be very interested, if it is only over money though I think he would just stay where he is as I would imagine Arsenal have made him a very healthy offer to stay.}

01 Jul 2011 12:43:20
All this talk about how City work in the market and how they find players is just complete rubbish.

You guys really think that City look at us when they're completing transfers? It's just nonsense. I'm fairly sure City have themselves to think about before us. Everybody keeps saying how they always go for our targets, Well when players with the quality of Nasri and Sanchez are available then every 'big' side in the country and Europe is going to be looking at them. Even with Berbatov, The lad was quality at Spurs so it's only right that a club aiming to be successful looks at good, quality players.

Besides, I've heard today that the City and Nasri talks have stalled, my guess for why is because they want to play him outwide?

The Moon.

01 Jul 2011 12:27:30
what about alex oxlade-chamberlain he has just went totally of the radar since jan could he be one of our under the radar signings {Ed007's Note - He is in talks with Arsenal just now reportedly}

01 Jul 2011 12:00:10
Ed, any idea when we can expect some concrete news regarding Nasri? From the player? Or even Arsenal?

Matthew... {Ed007's Note - Matthew mate, there are so many people who are claiming to "know" things it is very murky what is actually happening, sorry}

01 Jul 2011 11:01:13
30 Jun 2011 18:39:54
As soon as United's interest in Nasri hit the papers, City were always going to step in. Its not that they need Nasri, he becomes a prized signing purely because they will be seen to have beaten United. That is the shallow thinking of a club whos only claim to fame is that they have "Manchester" in their name and an owner with unlimited wealth. Together with Chelsea, they are effectively distorting the transfer market and, more importantly, the salary structures at all clubs (ie Rooney). If they sign Nasri they will get a good player, but more importantly to them, its the only way they can beat United at anything, and they can only do that by offering ridiculous salaries. This will excite their dullard supporters, but this is what City are all about The Premier League have let ownership models like City and Chelsea conduct their financial dealings without constraint, and that has to affect other clubs. Whilst they are allowed to conduct their business in a competitive environment through artificial financial support, it is inevitable salaries will continue to spiral out of control, clubs will be forced to put up ticket prices, supporters will not be able to afford to go, and more and more clubs who attempt to compete will go out of business. It is only UEFA that can see the damage this kind of ownership is causing, hence the FFP ruling, but the Premier League continue to bury their heads in the sand, happy no doubt, that City and Chelsea can attract the best players to sell the PL brand....If Nasri does move to City on £180,000 per week, it will be a shameful day for the management of the PL, and another nail in the coffin of fair competition and the principal of earning sporting success. In terms of sporting achievement, there is no difference between Chelsea or City winning the league, and Ben Johnson winning the olympic gold medal. Both successes would have been acheived through artificial means, and more and more supporters will ask "what's the poinT

What a load of crap after all the money utd have spent over the years now its suddenlly wrong. If utd had the same backing they would spend just the same grow up & stop sulking. {Ed004's Note - Man Utd spent the money they MADE, not given, we never went and spent hundreds of millions, did we??}

01 Jul 2011 08:49:59
I am the only one that has noticed, everytime United are linked with any player the next day City are in for a bid with them?I bet if we were linked with a Crawley Town player City will get in there to try and "steal them from under our nose". It's pathetic, they bid to p**s us fans off, then if they do get the player city fans have a little dig saying they chose their club over ours, when really they only chose the money over winning cups.

01 Jul 2011 08:10:32
he wants to get all his signings done before pre season starts this way he knows how to play his new squad, so expect sneijder or nasri to be on the way by next week

01 Jul 2011 03:29:59
listen forget all ur little rumours of star midfielders its all bulls**t man utd have a policy of not discussing any potential targets or transfer business so stop dreaming. saf will bring someone in knowone will expect, simple.

kelz