Manchester United Banter Archive July 01 2015

01 Jul 2015 22:55:22
Seen Xerdan Shaquiri is being linked with Stoke City. How quick things change, this time last year he was being linked with us, Arsenal, Liverpool etc. I have only seen him on very few occasions such as the WC and few Bayern games a few years back but I was always impressed with him. Maybe I just watched him on good days.

Can anyone on here or the Eds who have watched a little more of him elaborate on how his career seems to have stagnated? From the darling of Switzerland to the young gun with a big future at Bayern to Stoke City. Unbelievable Jeff.

01 Jul 2015 23:50:38
He hasn't signed yet. Already rumours that he doesn't want to go to Stoke.
I must admit it's a tough choice. Sweat it out in Milan living on minimum wage or move for mid-table football, consistantly told to "get the ball in the mix" and enjoy the food and weather that a city like Stoke can do for your demanding lifestyle.

02 Jul 2015 01:21:23
was scrolling through wondering whether I'd see this mentioned! Very strange indeed, when I've seen him play he's always looked very dangerous! Like when he played against England for Switzerland he looked deadly. Yet now apparently 'Stoke agree a fee for Shaqiri'. He'd do well at a team like Spurs, I think Stoke is a big step down no disrespect.

02 Jul 2015 07:14:23
In fairness to Stoke they're moving away from their long ball reputation and moving there was doing Bojan a world of good up to his injury

02 Jul 2015 08:14:23
Just think he's good but not great, I've seen it said that his end product can be inconsistent. Going to Bayern quite young with Robben and Ribery in their primes was never going to be easy either.

01 Jul 2015 18:47:14
can any of the eds confirm whether united or adidas or both have tried to strike some kind of deal with nike,

to cut the remaining contract with them early?

the only reason as i ask is because i was reading we have cancelled a friendly before the start of the season which we were due to wear the new kit for the first time,

it says it will now be the reserves and u21s who will be wearing the new kit first as the current deal with nike means the first team will still wear nike kits throughout the pre season tour.

thanks in advanced.

01 Jul 2015 23:01:24
I think its been said before, Nike aren't willing to cut the deal early. Adidas know this, I don't see any issue.

01 Jul 2015 23:08:46
I have a lot of experience of complex technical commercial contracts. Let me tell you this, Nike will not budge, they would of negotiated the original length to give them an advantage/cause problems in the next tender period. They paid a lot of money for the privilege so why would they bend? Adidas were aware of the situation when they bid so there is no getting around it.

Someone down the page blamed the club, we were happy to take all the cash Nike threw at us and the time frame was dreamed mutually acceptable at the time, I can't see what the issue is.

01 Jul 2015 23:21:57
Why would Nike Budge? United are about to go on a world tour and Nike want their logo splashed all over adverts. If I was an Adidas director I wouldn't be paying them off for just one month.

01 Jul 2015 21:50:44
Not many Liverpool fans make me laugh but thanks big Al you've just achieved it.

Sturridge is just as good as aguero! Sorry mate but it's not even remotely close

01 Jul 2015 22:04:31
They've got to keep up their reputation of most deluded fans, of course ed001 not included ;)
Suarez made their whole team look decent a couple of seasons ago, they've all been found out to be pretty average now

02 Jul 2015 09:52:41
I think he is as good as Diaby :)

01 Jul 2015 19:55:43
Jesus h Christ anyone would think it's deadline day.

I see further down someone say we're running out of players to sign (that made me laugh) hope it was a joke.

Coleman
Ramos
Otamendi
Hummels
Schneiderlin
Schweinsteiger

All still available chill people.

Signings will happen!

01 Jul 2015 20:03:40
LOL

It was said tongue in cheek. :O)

01 Jul 2015 21:09:18
People need to stop worrying because we are the biggest club in the world and every player in the world would love to join us, and any player who doesn't want to join us is a money grabbing nobody.

01 Jul 2015 21:23:57
Well you can strike Vidal off that list now too :)

01 Jul 2015 21:51:01
Couldn't have put it better myself DP.

01 Jul 2015 21:39:33
You beat me too it dean. lol

Oh well. I am sure the wood has everything in hand. Of course, we were never after any of the players who have gone else where.

01 Jul 2015 18:56:59
Turan signs for barca, 2 down 10 left!!!!! Bye bye gundogan and Turan, 2 top midfielders available and not choosing us

01 Jul 2015 19:21:22
Sheesh mate, who says we were interested? If we were interested in everyone in the press we would be trying to sign about 20 players. The vast majority of what is written on websites and in papers is complete bull. I remember people on here saying Clyne was a done deal and there he is now signing for Liverpool. Having said that I can't believe we let Milner go to Liverpool and I can't understand why he chose them over us. And Cech, what was he thinking? He could have come to us yet he chose to go to Arsenal (see what I did there?). Maybe I'm older than some of you but it is the same every year, the press throw hundreds of names about and when one sticks they say 'told you so'. Complete and utter nonsense.

01 Jul 2015 19:35:18
According to skysports news yellow bar a few weeks back we had an agreement in place to sign gundogan. We were definitely interested in him at some point and Turans agent claimed we were, although I'm not stupid just a few people saying we were one of the club's he could choose from. if we weren't interested in either then why? Why wouldn't we be interested in either, both would get in the team that finished the season last year in my opinion

01 Jul 2015 19:37:01
So up to now we have lost out on Firmino, Clyne, Ings, Milner, Turan, Cech and Nathan, and we are likely to lose out on Carvalho, Ramos, Pogba, Vidal, Coleman, Muller, Schweinsteiger, Hummels, Schneiderlin, Otamendi and Gaitan. Not to mention Gundogan wants to stay at a mid table German side rather than come to us. I know it is only the 1st July, but we are well and truly screwed! I'd take top 8 right now tbh :-(

01 Jul 2015 20:06:47
Let's all calm down. I am sure,some of the players we have been linked with by the media were of interest. just because they go elsewhere does not mean we were snubbed. For all we know we may have snubbed them (as looks likely with Clyne) yet because we once looked at them it is a snub.
Remember Lvg stated he would work on list A. then move to list B and if necessary list C!!
Lots of players out there. also Turan did not please most people on here anyway (I thought he would be great!!!)

01 Jul 2015 19:57:54
Ah here talk about losing the plot !!

01 Jul 2015 20:27:55
I mean for Gawds sake. If all we have in our team is shite players like Rooney, Mata, Herrera, Carrick, Depay, Fellaini, Di Maria, Young, Shaw, Smalling, Jones, and Rojo, to name the most pathetic of them, we're headed for the Championship, if you ask me.

When does the window close? 1st September. Two months, that's all. It'll be gone before we know it. Everyone our excessively talkative management is interested in, according to the very reliable Fabricazzi, has already committed to someone else. It's an unmitigated disaster. Superb stars, many of whom I've never heard of, and who, it appears, are often linked with us just so we can be shown to have lost out on signing them, even though we were never interested in them in the first place, are shunning us in droves. It's hammer blow upon hammer blow. Gundogan and Turan in one day. I was so looking forward to a potential midfield of "ans" - Gaitan, Turan and Gundogan.

It's no wonder we United fans are venting our fury at the departure of Saidy Janko.

01 Jul 2015 20:30:04
Dear Brendan81

Please grow a pair.

Yours
DB

01 Jul 2015 21:12:03
Dodgy, you knew he was being sarcastic right?

01 Jul 2015 21:15:43
I can't believe we missed out on Sneijder again

01 Jul 2015 21:41:28
LOL

Sneijder, that's it; We are going to sign Sneijder.

01 Jul 2015 21:55:11
We get linked to hundreds of players, we show interest in quite a few but that doesn't mean we want them all at the end of the day - most fall by the wayside e.g. We didn't even bid for Clyne so what does that tell us? We certainly didn't "miss out" on him although I'm sure we showed some interest at some point during the season. Things change for all sorts of reasons.

I get the feeling most clubs were put off Gundogan due to fitness, form and price. In fact Ed002 suggested as much.

Who knows what happened with Turan, he gets hawked around each year and linked to a number of clubs. I didn't feel we needed him at all and would have been surprised to see him at OT.

I do hope we make headway on some signings during the next couple of weeks but let's not get dramatic every time a player signs for another club, just because he was one of a hundred players linked to us on twitter/in tabloids.

01 Jul 2015 22:02:34
Haha

Unbelievably fell for that hook line and sinker, Brendon, I doff my cap sir ;)

01 Jul 2015 18:30:32
Hi Guys

So Gundogan has signed a new contract, surprise surprise, it was only recently that he was another who was nailed on to join us.It won't be long before Ramos signs a new contract at Real.Our long list of Marquee signings is dwindling 1 by 1 and before anyone says not to panic there's only 2 months until the window closes lol.

01 Jul 2015 18:38:19
Just goes to show that sly's sources know jack s.it. He was nailed on to join us a month or so ago according to sly's sources.

01 Jul 2015 19:13:45
Well tv said we had agreed a fee with Dortmund, apparently his wage demands then put us off as they did with other clubs.

01 Jul 2015 19:37:55
As I've said above, most know jack all. Signing players is probably a fairly long process and as soon as we enquire it is headline news that we are signing them. There will be so many 'let downs' before the new season starts

01 Jul 2015 21:59:10
I think Ed002 said clubs were put off by a mixture of poor form and high cost. I get the feeling that the player was looking to move but never got the offer he wanted.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ramos signs a new contract, I reckon a big apology and even bigger new contract could mend bridges between him and Real. I hope we don't waste too much effort in signing him if that turns out to be the case.

02 Jul 2015 08:08:43
I'm not too disapointed about gundogon. Anybody else here notice how poor he was in the german cup final or was it just me. Admittedly, one bad game does not make a player bad, and that game was owned by de bruyne, but he looks to me a bit off the pace - like the injury has taken too much away ala falcao.

01 Jul 2015 17:21:39
United playing hardball everywhere at the moment. United demanding 5m for Nani but Fenerbache offer 3.5m, 33m+ for DDG. Wont raise the 28m bid for Ramos. Even Schneiderlin transfer is something related to money if it did not happen.It is good if we finish all our incoming transfers first and play hardball for outgoing transfers. Why Real allow Ramos to leave for 28m if Valencia demand 35m for Otamendi, who is good but not as good as Ramos.

01 Jul 2015 17:52:06
Its embarrassing to be selling the portuguese league player of the year for that kind of money. Carvalho won it last year and they wanted over 40 million for him. I would keep him but suspect the wages are playing major part in our decision and the buying club.

01 Jul 2015 18:39:43
I would keep him too. Him and Hernandez. The way it looks with all our so called targets falling by the wayside, we might have to keep them.

01 Jul 2015 18:46:24
We never get much for our players bar Ronaldo, but even for us £3.5m for nani is ridiculous, we should be getting at least £10m in today's market

01 Jul 2015 19:15:35
Sam,

Yea I know, we aren't even a day into the transfer window and all our targets have gone, GONE I say, paniccccc!!

01 Jul 2015 19:34:05
GDS2, In all honesty, we are starting to run out of players to sign.

Last season we payed top dollar. It seems this season, the wood thinks he is experienced enough to play the tough guy and tough it out; but while he is doing that, players that were more than likely on our radar, are either staying put or moving else where.

At the end of the day, the manager said on several occasions that all our business will be done early so he has time to work with them. As it stands, we signed one player who we signed back in May.

I can't for the life off understand why we never moved for Clyne; and why are we procrastinating over Schneiderlin? You couldn't find a more perfect fit for us.

I hope I eat my words real soon. I hope the Wood pulls a few beauties out of the bag and I can rest a little easier.

01 Jul 2015 19:48:25
"I can't for the life of me" it should have read. I was distracted by the misses in her Bikini.

01 Jul 2015 22:05:56
One of the main reasons Nani will go cheap is because of his relatively large wage. He won't go to a top tier club so the clubs going for him will need part of the transfer fee set off against an otherwise unmanageable wage cost. Poor management on our part during the post Saf panic.

02 Jul 2015 00:58:31
Sam,

In all honesty you are panicking on the first day of the transfer window, only clyne has gone elsewhere that I thought we might try and sign but I presume we have another right back in mind.

It's funny, we are going to get schneiderlin, just making sure we get him for a decent price, if we paid too much people would be on here saying we paid too much, people don't seem to understand how negotiation works.

01 Jul 2015 13:22:32
No sign of hummels or gundogan on the dortmund kit launch pictures I've seen. There may be more with them but the main ones I've seen have reuss, bender and kagawa leading the way. Strange considering hummels wanted to stay and is captain, surely he'd be at the front?

01 Jul 2015 14:35:33
Interesting. Is that a P G Tip? ; p

01 Jul 2015 15:22:52
It is interesting though isn't it. Maybe that boat hasn't sailed and lvg is expecting to get him late in the window, or he wants to go to barca in jan which is probably more likely

01 Jul 2015 15:33:00
Yes it is agreed

01 Jul 2015 18:05:30
Gundogan just signed a 2 year extension. It was always one of those that i was not sure made much difference to us given his injury and question marks over him.

It look alike contrary to what some want which is just buy the club will stick to a strategy of only buying if they feel like it is a must buy and significant improvement on what we have. I for one glad to do that.

Gaitan, Turan also are in that category for me and i do not believe for one minute we will be interested in them.

Schneiderlin, Vidal, Ramos, Othemandi, Coleman sound very believable in contrast.

01 Jul 2015 19:02:50
Gcu if we buy the five you mentioned, I'll be delighted.

02 Jul 2015 01:07:55
Nomid

I was just just pouting out that people are losing their heads because someone in the media says we were interested in a player and when he goes somewhere else it looks like we have missed out. I for one do not believe we are interested in that many and in rarity in a fraction of the number of names being touted.

02 Jul 2015 08:15:19
I think we will get Ramos or 1 other CB (otamendi or whoever), can't see us bringing in 2. Possibly up to 2 midfielders (but i imagine that schneiderlin will be the one), and maybe a RB, maybe not.

01 Jul 2015 12:59:07
Does anyone have info about Wilson and he's contract.
I would love to see him, depay and Januzaj playing on the field. In a couple years I think all three interchanging positions could cause havoc, with all capable of playing on the wing and as striker.

01 Jul 2015 13:21:48
I am unsure if Wilson is capable of playing on the wing, he is an out and out striker for me with a great eye for a goal. As far as I am aware his contract doesn't run out until at least next summer or he would have gone by now.

01 Jul 2015 12:28:40
Looks like clyne confirmed by Liverpool. 5yr deal.

01 Jul 2015 12:36:37
Very good signing. To be fair, they have made a few good signings; and if they get Benteke, they could be a right handful next season.

01 Jul 2015 14:24:02
Benteke is awful I'd be made up if they blew £30m on him, Andy Carroll v2

01 Jul 2015 14:34:13
That's your opinion Andy, and one I could not disagree with more. I personally think Benteke would put Liverpool on another level with players like Firmino and Coutinho feeding him.

01 Jul 2015 15:39:03
They will be a bigger threat to everyone next season. But for me they still need a keeper, a centre half, a holding midfielder and a striker for them to be a threat.

01 Jul 2015 15:39:41
He's lazy, rarely makes a run in behind, he can only score when the balls put on a plate for him. He knows how to take his chances but he creates nothing

01 Jul 2015 15:46:54
Well, if he is their primary striker, his primary role will be to take his chances and score goals. I highly doubt Liverpool will sign a striker like Benteke to create chances.

01 Jul 2015 16:29:34
That's the difference between the top teams and the average teams, top teams have forwards like Aguero who will create and score goals, average teams have forwards like Benteke and balotelli who will only do one of those things if you're lucky

01 Jul 2015 18:35:35
Awww you people care so much for us. Arguing with your own over us. Touched

01 Jul 2015 18:44:11
We're far to civilsed to argue; we're merely debating.

We still hate your guts though.

:O)

01 Jul 2015 19:09:34
Benteke is hugely overrated for me, not once seen him play and thought any more of him than someone like Mame Biram Diouf. Never understood why so many people rate him so much.

01 Jul 2015 11:58:22
Whilst we are all waiting on incoming can anyone shed some light on what the situations is with players like, Nani, Rafael, Hernadez, Evans and does anyone know if there is any bids on these players.

01 Jul 2015 12:12:53
Not heard anything in regards to bids GCU but I would assume they will all leave this summer, for their own careers if nothing else.

01 Jul 2015 12:16:00
I think Nani is in talks with some club (forgot name ) , Evans linked with Everton . No idea about Rafael and Hernandez

{Ed007's Note - It looks like Nani is off to Fenerbache.}

01 Jul 2015 12:45:16
Nani to Fenerbache, Evans to Everton, Rafael to one of the Turkish teams, Hernandez to A Madrid and maybe RVP to Beskitas.

01 Jul 2015 09:19:47
Can i get a discussion going on a player that I personally dislike in a united shirt. Fellaini! Now I understand what he's about and his usefulness in certain games or situations in a Match but for me he's is not a united player, he's not good enough on the ball. He's also dirty and uses his elbows to win headers which is not to my liking! I know he's helped out a lot this season but that's because we were desperate after moyes ruined us! Surely now we have the window we can replace him with a proper footballer, ie vidal! Therefore, personally, if juventus wanted fellaini as a swap for vidal I'd hsve to say yes. Although like I said he could come in handy again this season. Thoughts please guys?

01 Jul 2015 09:54:08
He was a huge part of the reason we got CL last season and will be a key player next year in my opinion. Hard worker and gets no credit.

Haters going to hate.

01 Jul 2015 10:10:17
In my opinion his style of play needs to be our plan B and not our plan A. It is a heck of a plan B to have as opposition players do fear him.

01 Jul 2015 09:58:05
I agree fellaini is not a united type player but i think i can keep him as a squad player . Further don't think juve have any interest in him

01 Jul 2015 10:02:03
For once I agree with JMB.

01 Jul 2015 10:13:09
He won't be key as he's the antithesis of a van gaal player he only used him as we needed the physicality. He'll barely play this season and sold next summer at a big loss.

To go a bit gds, the only thing your positive on is a player most of us don't consider a united player.

01 Jul 2015 10:23:35
I'm sure juventus have no interest it was just a hypothetical suggestion to see what we would do if someone did want him this summer. He's not a united player and we do appreciate what he did during our desperate season but if he's getting in our team next season it will mean we have had a terrible summer and missed out on all our targets

01 Jul 2015 10:24:01
Well everyone laughed at us for signing him. None of them were laughing when he scored for us against City or when he set up RVP against Chelsea or scored the winner for us against palace. The fact is he was integral to us getting CL football this year so for me he is a bit of an unsung hero.

We definitely have players who have performed far worse and certainly he deserves his place in the starting 11 just as much as anyone else at the moment imho, and until we sign anyone better I won't be complaining if he is in the 11 next year. He's one of the few players we have which makes teams change their tactics against us, it gives them another entity to worry about at every corner etc.

01 Jul 2015 10:27:26
So without Felliani would we be in CL this coming season? If it wasn't for Felliani how many goals would we have scored last season with LVG's 'tika, taka, bore, please God help us score a goal' approach last season? Even when he wasn't bullying defenders he was opening up space when we constantly played high diagonal balls to him.

I keep seeing 'he isn't a Van Gaal player' yet last season he seemed like one of a select few who thrived under the 'philosophy'. Like I said hardworking guy and doesn't get the credit he deserves as most would rather chat about Herrera's neat passes or Mata's tricks but we would have got CL last season without our Mata's, Herrera's and Di Maria's but not without Felliani.

01 Jul 2015 10:34:05
Covey - top post mate.

01 Jul 2015 10:34:12
have to agree with JMB on this one, he offers a physical presence which we lack. thought he had a good season tbf

01 Jul 2015 10:38:38
I like what Fellaini can offer, but he isn't my ideal type of player personally. He is the player that brought the X factor to our team last season, maybe not the X most people like but he was one of the only ones turning up most weeks and was often the key difference, unlike Rooney, RVP, Falcao, ADM, Mata, etc. He did what he was signed to do, more so than almost anybody else.

As an outside bet, if we sign a couple of solid CM's I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of swappage with Coleman!

01 Jul 2015 10:49:07
other than dea gea, the big wig was my pick for player of the season.

regardless of how he plays he is a threat and teams can't handle him.

he will one of the first names on the team sheet.

01 Jul 2015 11:09:37
Herrera and Mata were equally important for us JMB

01 Jul 2015 11:22:42
He's a regular for Belgium who are ranked 2nd in the World. He's not the most pleasing on the eye but he is a hand full and I think his first touch is very underrated. Ideally I would of loved ADM in that position if asked at the start of the season but the way they both performed, Fellaini earned his role. I think we should look to replace as a regular but he, for me, has warranted his first team squad role. He can do it on a Tuesday night in Stoke!

01 Jul 2015 11:40:47
What Fellaini does is absorb one or two of the opposition midfield players and what that can do is free up players like Herrera and Mata, ADM and Depay. If these players are getting marked out of a game throwing the big man on can cause all manner of issues for other teams as they can't cope with him physically so they need to double and triple up on him which should allow the others to flourish.

01 Jul 2015 11:52:01
Young, Fellaini, DDG, Herrera were our best players last year mate.

He might not be 5.10 and a slick dribbler of the ball but he is so much more effective on the pitch than some of the guys who by reputation are darlings of the fans but on performance were shit.

People here will slag him because he is Moyes signing and some can't get past that which is unfortunate.

01 Jul 2015 12:12:01
Srestha - I disagree about Mata, he had 2 or 3 good games all season, the rest he may as well not have been on the pitch. He is a talented and likeable player but the system didn't work for him or the strategy.

Valencia, Young, Herrera, DDG & Fellaini were the players that deserved their pay most last season. It's time we started rewarding performances rather than media reputations.

01 Jul 2015 12:26:10
The last sentence on Beast's above post deserves a bravo!

01 Jul 2015 13:15:24
Great discussion glad I posted this, so on the whole we all are thankful for him but realise we need more quality in that position if we can get it, if not he's earnt his spot. Fair enough. Nice one

01 Jul 2015 13:22:35
I agree beast imagine bringing in performance related pay and bonuses rather than hefty basic salaries.

01 Jul 2015 04:52:43
People who over rate turan relax he's barca bound. Coleman would be perfect for us he's good with the ball and can defend too. People I'm wondering with adm depay; and mata to a lesser extent; and Tony, all able to play on the wing, does adnan have a future at United as clearly van gaal does not rate him otherwise he'd play more. Thoughts

01 Jul 2015 07:14:42
I think Mata (unfortunately) may leave if he can't get a fair run in the team mate.

01 Jul 2015 07:55:57
I think he may leave too tbh. If there's going to be a shock departure this window, it'll be him.

01 Jul 2015 10:16:12
Only my opinion, but I've loved watching him for years (that's in the U21s, spb, just in case you were wondering!), and I think he'll go on to play a big role at Utd. Just needs to mature a little in his decision-making, release the ball a little earlier, and strengthen up a bit, and I still believe he has the world at his feet. The lad has talent to burn.

01 Jul 2015 10:28:58
He will be a class player NC. He just needs to be told to play his natural game and believe in his ability. You could see last season the tactics baffled him.

01 Jul 2015 10:53:00
noucamp99, that was a tad cheecky ;)

but I've watched a few u21s myself and think adnan performs at a much higher level than other u21s, maybe a loan spell at a prem team where he can play every week will help him develop more.

01 Jul 2015 02:04:37
Can we please sign Alex Morgan? Probably a better striker than Rooney, and I like looking at her ;)

01 Jul 2015 09:22:20
She's a big united fan too. would fit right in.

01 Jul 2015 09:56:25
Just what we need :)

01 Jul 2015 10:29:48
make her captian everyone will play for her .